comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted about an hour ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
The opening paragraph of his wiki page reads brilliantly.

Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. (born January 17, 1954), also known by his initials RFK Jr., is an American politician, environmental lawyer, anti-vaccine activist, and conspiracy theorist who will be nominated to serve as United States Secretary of Health and Human Services.



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Says it all right there.

I really cannot get my head around how facked up the US is, or begin to wonder how far this shiiiiit might go.
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I just don’t get how they allowed Russia to take over in the way they have without putting up a fight. It beggars belief that so many people can see what’s happening and no one can do anything about it.
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comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.

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Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault

They’re riding this all the way to civil war
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For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.

We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.

That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.

The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.

I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.

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Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault

They’re riding this all the way to civil war
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.

We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.

That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.

The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.

I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
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My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault

They’re riding this all the way to civil war
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.

We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.

That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.

The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.

I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
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Add to that Trump removing somewhat sensible 4 star generals and gutting the military to the point he has yes men from top to bottom then the checks and balances of a military that serves the constitution will end up kowtowing to his will.

An population that already has something like 50% of people who read at no higher than a 6th grade level will have the remaining critical thinking skills taken away by a department of education gutted by people who are only concerned with getting bibles in schools and subjects struck off the curriculum that paint the US in anything other than a shining light.

*a population

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair . I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.

Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.

There’s always a convenient answer.

Sweep.sweep

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault

They’re riding this all the way to civil war
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.

We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.

That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.

The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.

I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
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Please explain.

Again, the data shows that the wealth distribution in the US is *already* more or less the same as it was right before the French started lopping heads off.

The top 1% hold as much wealth as the bottom 90%, and a Fed survey shows that 4 in 10 Americans don’t have enough cash or savings to cover an unexpected $400 expense.

Just let those two facts sink in for a moment.

Now consider that that wealth distribution is still shifting rightward at a pace, seeing a greater and greater proportion of the nation’s wealth in the hands of very, very few. That one-third share of the wealth already controlled by the 1% is growing quickly.

Finally consider that economists, pretty universally, agree that Trump’s stated policies will *accelerate* that shift of wealth away from the poorest to the wealthiest. The already growing one-third share will now grow even more quickly.

Again, all of this is cold, hard facts. There’s no narrative applied here.

So the question is where do *you* think this eventually leads?

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 33 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It's just anxiety Pranks and people feel that in different ways. And anonymous forums will always bring out the most extreme forms.

Personally I think there is a lot to be concerned about. To pick the most recent example, are you not at all concerned that a vaccine sceptic has been appointed Health Secretary Pranks? Or that same person released a book making some really strong allegations against a respected (certainly within field) and prize winning immunologist? IMO, that's reasonable grounds for concern.

Economic growth down

Pound Down

Great news for working people

Getting the impression the UK is is more trouble than the US

comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 33 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
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It's just anxiety Pranks and people feel that in different ways. And anonymous forums will always bring out the most extreme forms.

Personally I think there is a lot to be concerned about. To pick the most recent example, are you not at all concerned that a vaccine sceptic has been appointed Health Secretary Pranks? Or that same person released a book making some really strong allegations against a respected (certainly within field) and prize winning immunologist? IMO, that's reasonable grounds for concern.

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Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people.

Do you really think the US government is going ban all vaccines

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.

Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.

There’s always a convenient answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.

comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault

They’re riding this all the way to civil war
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.

We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.

That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.

The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.

I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Please explain.

Again, the data shows that the wealth distribution in the US is *already* more or less the same as it was right before the French started lopping heads off.

The top 1% hold as much wealth as the bottom 90%, and a Fed survey shows that 4 in 10 Americans don’t have enough cash or savings to cover an unexpected $400 expense.

Just let those two facts sink in for a moment.

Now consider that that wealth distribution is still shifting rightward at a pace, seeing a greater and greater proportion of the nation’s wealth in the hands of very, very few. That one-third share of the wealth already controlled by the 1% is growing quickly.

Finally consider that economists, pretty universally, agree that Trump’s stated policies will *accelerate* that shift of wealth away from the poorest to the wealthiest. The already growing one-third share will now grow even more quickly.

Again, all of this is cold, hard facts. There’s no narrative applied here.

So the question is where do *you* think this eventually leads?
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do you have a timeline for when the civil war will start

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.

Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.

There’s always a convenient answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault

They’re riding this all the way to civil war
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.

We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.

That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.

The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.

I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Add to that Trump removing somewhat sensible 4 star generals and gutting the military to the point he has yes men from top to bottom then the checks and balances of a military that serves the constitution will end up kowtowing to his will.

An population that already has something like 50% of people who read at no higher than a 6th grade level will have the remaining critical thinking skills taken away by a department of education gutted by people who are only concerned with getting bibles in schools and subjects struck off the curriculum that paint the US in anything other than a shining light.
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Readin levull same as UK witch is good considerin how many do not speek english tbf

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.

Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.

There’s always a convenient answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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wake up to money is essentially business owners and economic experts/analysts talking about growth, hiring, economic outlook for the future. I think I'll take their word for it

No agendas there then.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
No agendas there then.
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yeah its called growth

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
Don't worry, don't worry, checks and balances...
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Cheques and bank balances.👍

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 seconds ago
As much as I don't want people to suffer, I do think the only way to finally break Trump's hold on so many MAGA types is to start seeing some of the more unhinged consequences for their vote.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sadly as we saw with Brexit no matter how many consequences occur, it’s always the other sides fault

They’re riding this all the way to civil war
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For the first time, I’m beginning to believe that we’re now on the path, if not to a full-blown civil war, to serious civil conflict in the US.

We’re a few months away from the start of an accelerated and open transfer of both wealth and power from the bottom 50% to the top 1%, in a country which statistically already displays the same kind of wealth distribution as they had in pre-revolution France.

That 1% will get away with what they’re doing until a certain tipping point is reached and the working class realises how divide-and-conquer has been so cynically deployed against them.

The sole reason why I’m finally being persuaded that the US is on the path is because previously, I think the interests of the 1% have been (largely) represented by people who understand that the aforementioned tipping point both exists, and for their own interests, shouldn’t be approached.

I don’t think the likes of Trump and Musk either realise it exists or care that it exists. They’ll take and take and take until they’ve dug their own graves.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Please explain.

Again, the data shows that the wealth distribution in the US is *already* more or less the same as it was right before the French started lopping heads off.

The top 1% hold as much wealth as the bottom 90%, and a Fed survey shows that 4 in 10 Americans don’t have enough cash or savings to cover an unexpected $400 expense.

Just let those two facts sink in for a moment.

Now consider that that wealth distribution is still shifting rightward at a pace, seeing a greater and greater proportion of the nation’s wealth in the hands of very, very few. That one-third share of the wealth already controlled by the 1% is growing quickly.

Finally consider that economists, pretty universally, agree that Trump’s stated policies will *accelerate* that shift of wealth away from the poorest to the wealthiest. The already growing one-third share will now grow even more quickly.

Again, all of this is cold, hard facts. There’s no narrative applied here.

So the question is where do *you* think this eventually leads?
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do you have a timeline for when the civil war will start
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I haven’t said that there’ll be a civil war.

Would you like to answer my question:

Where do you think this extreme, and now accelerating, wealth inequality will eventually lead?

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 16 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It’s been an enjoyable read to be fair. I sometimes wonder how some people cope with life.

Anyways, we can have a laugh (albeit a very scared one) at the US as it allows us to ignore the incoming car crash from the budget. I suppose we can defend that yet again with Brexit, the last lot etc etc whilst ignoring the fact that pretty much all of Europe is likely in a worse mess despite being in the EU.

There’s always a convenient answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I listen to wake up to money on BBC 5live most morning 5-6am before I go to the gym. The forecast amongst business owners has plummeted since the budget. It really is negative and will hit SME's particularly hard over the next 12 months. Growth, hires, employee pay rises will all be scaled back.
The big corporates won't be as bad but will all suffer too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people
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wake up to money is essentially business owners and economic experts/analysts talking about growth, hiring, economic outlook for the future. I think I'll take their word for it
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Business sees its rse every time the government raises taxes, changes policy or introduces new employee rights.

We saw prominent businessmen in this country advocate for Brexit then move abroad or bemoan the lack of available staff.

Think I'll take their word with a punch of salt.

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 33 minutes ago
My word the mental breakdown on this thread is something to witness
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It's just anxiety Pranks and people feel that in different ways. And anonymous forums will always bring out the most extreme forms.

Personally I think there is a lot to be concerned about. To pick the most recent example, are you not at all concerned that a vaccine sceptic has been appointed Health Secretary Pranks? Or that same person released a book making some really strong allegations against a respected (certainly within field) and prize winning immunologist? IMO, that's reasonable grounds for concern.

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Lets see what happens, I think the fearmongering has gotten to a lot of people.

Do you really think the US government is going ban all vaccines
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Ban? No. Far, far too difficult to enact.

Do I believe that an RFK led health department would make it significantly more difficult to bring new vaccines or improved vaccines to market? Absolutely.

Do I believe that an RFK led health department would engage in active dissuasion and, to use your term, fear mongering to discourage people? Absolutely.

If they weren’t planning that, why appoint RFK? The impact on public health could be significant.

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
No agendas there then.
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yeah its called growth
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It's called wake up to money not wake up to more employees who are better paid. Wonder what those ringing in had in mind?

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/1115/1481145-russian-spy-ship-confirmed-to-be-operating-off-dublin-near-cables/

Well obviously vlad has his eyes on us next