Why do people keep on with this facking idiot?
Just wait till the season starts and Van Dijk performs like a Rolls Royce and then come back at ridicule him.
comment by Marksmanship (U21765)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 21 hours ago
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posted 1 day, 3 hours ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 day ago
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posted 1 day ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 month ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Significantly.
Matip has been injured most of the second half of the season so the alternative would be Klavan. I like Klavan but I severely doubt we'd have made the CL final and secured 4th with him at CB and that's significant which ever way you slice it.
This thread needs closing.
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What is your obsession with Klavan? People who think the thread needs closing are unable to have a proper debate and want to stifle alternate opinions.
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You've already been proven incorrect on the topics matter. As a result flogging a dead horse has been an exercise in futility but maintained for entertainment purposes which has nothing to do with a debate.
You're welcome to make another thread and discuss VVD's performance for the coming season, but this one you have lost.
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Your opinion is just that, an opinion and nothing more, and based on your general input it doesn't carry any real weight. If you feel I have 'lost', by whichever arbitrary and self favouring criteria you apply, feel free to tell yourself that, but ultimately it isn't an accurate statement.
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Instead of giving reply to my valid points and arguments and forgoing the oppertunity to engage your brain to 'grace' your own topic with any sense of sensibility you again resort to the fabled ad hominem, taking away any hope of people taking you serious and digging your own grave with only your trolling to grasp on to.
There was nothing arbitrary about my opinion since it's validated by good reasoning and statistics that evidently disproves your initial topic (since now it only serves to mock your stupidity and trolling).
You need to step up and be a man by admitting that you were wrong. There is nothing wrong with that. This farce is close to depleting it's entertainment value. In other words, you need to wait untill van dijk gives you ammunition to write something that discredits him. You might want to recruit other trolls to accompany you. It must be a lonely journey for you when nobody but yourself believes your BS. How about that for accurate statements?
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I think that you assign far too much value to a football discussion forum. I don't need to do anything, I'm free to express my opinion and should a persuasive and well reasoned argument cause me change my view then I would do so. Unfortunately, with your limited reasoning, you've been unable to do that, and inexplicably it seems to cause you endless aggravation. I, on the other hand, am not especially invested to any great extent regarding whether you agree with me or not, so it doesn't eeally cause me any great concern.
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Perhaps you should look in the mirror ans ask yourself why you're the only one who believes in your 'reasoning'. I've made my case and it's closed. Wether you accept it or not, you were wrong.
You confirmed that it's merely a game for you and called you out for it. So I reiterate: you're just a troll and therefor I can not get aggrevated and can not invest much time to engage in this comedy show.
You were wrong.
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You do seem to be rather aggravated, despite your rather forceful protests to the contrary. Simply repeating your incorrect assertion over and over again does not make it correct, and incorrectly claiming I have 'confirmed' aspects of your narrative does not form adequate material support to your point.
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Why do people keep on with this facking idiot?
Just wait till the season starts and Van Dijk performs like a Rolls Royce and then come back at ridicule him.
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Poor value for money, large turning circle.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 58 minutes ago
Brain, now that you've lost the VVD argument let's talk about Alisson. Do you think he'll improve us significantly?
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Your suggestion that I have 'lost the argument' is not the case, as my points remain valid. Regarding Allison, I really couldn't say I have seen enough to make a solid judgement. I saw him at the world cup and he seemed solid but unspectacular, and I saw him looking fairly unremarkable in the champions league, and he missed the chance to impress versus liverpool. Essentially, I haven't yet seen him do anything especially impressive, but I'll wait to pass judgement and hopefully he will do well.
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Your point does not remain valid.
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Excellent contribution
Oh look, a goal for Van Dijk tonight.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 18 minutes ago
Oh look, a goal for Van Dijk tonight.
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And..
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posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
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Sorry, you're right, a goal in a pre-season warm up game is a pretty big deal.
Matip injured again. If you can't accept that VVD improves us significantly compared Klavan you have no place discussing football imo.
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 17 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 25 minutes ago
Has he improved Liverpool significantly? In my opinion, not yet.
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Not yet...
So you're changing your stance already, from stating that he won't, to now being open to the possibility that he could
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My stance is the same. 'Not yet' means that as of this moment, I don't believe that it is the case. Furthermore, by using 'Not yet' it is demonstrating my openness for the possibility for him to have a such an impact, however within the context of the article, I don't believe he will.
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So despite your article being definitive that he won't improve Liverpool significantly, you're now arguing to leave the possibility of that open.
So, as per the car crash this article is, you've resorted to arguing with yourself.
T!t
VVD has significantly improved Liverpool- FACT. It is backed up with evidence.
This article is a car crash and humiliating for the op- FACT.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
Matip injured again. If you can't accept that VVD improves us significantly compared Klavan you have no place discussing football imo.
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That wasn't the discussion, read the article rather than just the title.
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 4 days, 1 hour ago
VVD has significantly improved Liverpool- FACT. It is backed up with evidence.
This article is a car crash and humiliating for the op- FACT.
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The last time I saw such emphasis on the word 'FACT', it preceded a fairly bad run of results for Liverpool.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 days, 9 hours ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 17 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 25 minutes ago
Has he improved Liverpool significantly? In my opinion, not yet.
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Not yet...
So you're changing your stance already, from stating that he won't, to now being open to the possibility that he could
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My stance is the same. 'Not yet' means that as of this moment, I don't believe that it is the case. Furthermore, by using 'Not yet' it is demonstrating my openness for the possibility for him to have a such an impact, however within the context of the article, I don't believe he will.
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So despite your article being definitive that he won't improve Liverpool significantly, you're now arguing to leave the possibility of that open.
So, as per the car crash this article is, you've resorted to arguing with yourself.
T!t
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Read the article before attempting to pass comment. The points you make are simply not supported by the article you claim to have read, and no amount of mindless emoji will change that.
The article is headed by a definitive - "Van Dijk won't improve Liverpool significantly"
Then commenting thusly a few months later - "Furthermore, by using 'Not yet' it is demonstrating my openness for the possibility for him to have a such an impact"
So going from "won't" to "possibility for him to have such an impact"
Brain flip flopped and turned into a massive mess of a mammary..
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 46 minutes ago
The article is headed by a definitive - "Van Dijk won't improve Liverpool significantly"
Then commenting thusly a few months later - "Furthermore, by using 'Not yet' it is demonstrating my openness for the possibility for him to have a such an impact"
So going from "won't" to "possibility for him to have such an impact"
Brain flip flopped and turned into a massive mess of a mammary..
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It's rather clear you are clutching at straws, as there is nothing unreasonable in my posts.
While the content might be reasonable individually, those two examples show you've contradicted yourself in your own thread, and, that you no longer have confidence in the title.
t!t
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
While the content might be reasonable individually, those two examples show you've contradicted yourself in your own thread, and, that you no longer have confidence in the title.
t!t
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My position remains the same, however retaining at least an openness to the possibility of an alternative viewpoint makes a discussion forum viable. Are you suggesting that a view is only credible if a person states that they will fully and completely refuse to alter their position no matter what? That their view now must be correct and that will be the case in perpetuity?
I stand by my view, but of course if something convincing came along to persuade me otherwise then I would be happy to change, however I haven't seen anything to make me do that. Do you not share the same approach when you are in a discussion? Your discussions must surely be driven by pride rather than content.
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
While the content might be reasonable individually, those two examples show you've contradicted yourself in your own thread, and, that you no longer have confidence in the title.
t!t
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My position remains the same, however retaining at least an openness to the possibility of an alternative viewpoint makes a discussion forum viable. Are you suggesting that a view is only credible if a person states that they will fully and completely refuse to alter their position no matter what? That their view now must be correct and that will be the case in perpetuity?
I stand by my view, but of course if something convincing came along to persuade me otherwise then I would be happy to change, however I haven't seen anything to make me do that. Do you not share the same approach when you are in a discussion? Your discussions must surely be driven by pride rather than content.
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I should add that I do appreciate you agreeing that the content of the article is reasonable though.
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 13 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
Matip injured again. If you can't accept that VVD improves us significantly compared Klavan you have no place discussing football imo.
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That wasn't the discussion, read the article rather than just the title.
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Yeah did that.
Paragraph 1)
Possibly has a point but Id argue the fact we defend from the front and win the ball high up the pitch, and demonstrably concede so few chances, means that although it can lead to isolation the amount of final ball defending is decreased and as such negates your point.
P2) Poor defenders will always make defending harder, that's nothing revolutionary in thought. Defending is about partnerships and coupled with Roberston, plus an ability to win the ball the vast amount of times in the air and his recovery pace this means that inside left channel (and outside) is significantly stronger defensively. Ive no idea what you expect his best form to be but he seems to be playing very well.
P3) Just filler and a guess.
So ultimately, yes, this is about whether he improves us significantly compared to playing someone else which would be Klavan.
It seems to me youve based your op on 'Klopp has quick attacks and commits men forward therefore defending will be hard regardless'. No offence but that's an incredibly base and reductive assessment which demonstrates a poor understanding and has ultimately been proved wrong so far.
Sometimes its just best to hold your hands up mate.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 13 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
Matip injured again. If you can't accept that VVD improves us significantly compared Klavan you have no place discussing football imo.
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That wasn't the discussion, read the article rather than just the title.
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Yeah did that.
Paragraph 1)
Possibly has a point but Id argue the fact we defend from the front and win the ball high up the pitch, and demonstrably concede so few chances, means that although it can lead to isolation the amount of final ball defending is decreased and as such negates your point.
P2) Poor defenders will always make defending harder, that's nothing revolutionary in thought. Defending is about partnerships and coupled with Roberston, plus an ability to win the ball the vast amount of times in the air and his recovery pace this means that inside left channel (and outside) is significantly stronger defensively. Ive no idea what you expect his best form to be but he seems to be playing very well.
P3) Just filler and a guess.
So ultimately, yes, this is about whether he improves us significantly compared to playing someone else which would be Klavan.
It seems to me youve based your op on 'Klopp has quick attacks and commits men forward therefore defending will be hard regardless'. No offence but that's an incredibly base and reductive assessment which demonstrates a poor understanding and has ultimately been proved wrong so far.
Sometimes its just best to hold your hands up mate.
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That's a very fair response to the article, well reasoned points and delivered in a civil fashion. I agree that better defenders will improve a team, but I still believe that within the environment Van Dijk is occupying, when it comes to the crunch, the defensive aspects of Liverpool are going to let the side down. Maybe it's too soon to definitively say, but I still believe that to be the case.
There are lots of ways to win a football match and being an attacking side is one of them them. With that comes risk and conversely it can be a risk not to score.
The point of VVD (and waiting for him whilst also paying a world record fee for a defender) is that his skill set mitigates that risk.
As said though this is as much about Robertson and indeed Lovren, Alisson and TAA (plus the rest of the team) as it is VVD.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 28 minutes ago
There are lots of ways to win a football match and being an attacking side is one of them them. With that comes risk and conversely it can be a risk not to score.
The point of VVD (and waiting for him whilst also paying a world record fee for a defender) is that his skill set mitigates that risk.
As said though this is as much about Robertson and indeed Lovren, Alisson and TAA (plus the rest of the team) as it is VVD.
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Indeed, and perhaps in some ways it will be quite informative to assess matters when the attacking unit is not performing, and the defence is really needed to be called upon for it's primary function.
Was imperious today... improved Gomez's game significantly
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posted on 22/7/18
Why do people keep on with this facking idiot?
Just wait till the season starts and Van Dijk performs like a Rolls Royce and then come back at ridicule him.
posted on 22/7/18
comment by Marksmanship (U21765)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 21 hours ago
comment by Marksmanship (U21765)
posted 1 day, 3 hours ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 day ago
comment by Marksmanship (U21765)
posted 1 day ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 month ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Significantly.
Matip has been injured most of the second half of the season so the alternative would be Klavan. I like Klavan but I severely doubt we'd have made the CL final and secured 4th with him at CB and that's significant which ever way you slice it.
This thread needs closing.
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What is your obsession with Klavan? People who think the thread needs closing are unable to have a proper debate and want to stifle alternate opinions.
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You've already been proven incorrect on the topics matter. As a result flogging a dead horse has been an exercise in futility but maintained for entertainment purposes which has nothing to do with a debate.
You're welcome to make another thread and discuss VVD's performance for the coming season, but this one you have lost.
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Your opinion is just that, an opinion and nothing more, and based on your general input it doesn't carry any real weight. If you feel I have 'lost', by whichever arbitrary and self favouring criteria you apply, feel free to tell yourself that, but ultimately it isn't an accurate statement.
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Instead of giving reply to my valid points and arguments and forgoing the oppertunity to engage your brain to 'grace' your own topic with any sense of sensibility you again resort to the fabled ad hominem, taking away any hope of people taking you serious and digging your own grave with only your trolling to grasp on to.
There was nothing arbitrary about my opinion since it's validated by good reasoning and statistics that evidently disproves your initial topic (since now it only serves to mock your stupidity and trolling).
You need to step up and be a man by admitting that you were wrong. There is nothing wrong with that. This farce is close to depleting it's entertainment value. In other words, you need to wait untill van dijk gives you ammunition to write something that discredits him. You might want to recruit other trolls to accompany you. It must be a lonely journey for you when nobody but yourself believes your BS. How about that for accurate statements?
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I think that you assign far too much value to a football discussion forum. I don't need to do anything, I'm free to express my opinion and should a persuasive and well reasoned argument cause me change my view then I would do so. Unfortunately, with your limited reasoning, you've been unable to do that, and inexplicably it seems to cause you endless aggravation. I, on the other hand, am not especially invested to any great extent regarding whether you agree with me or not, so it doesn't eeally cause me any great concern.
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Perhaps you should look in the mirror ans ask yourself why you're the only one who believes in your 'reasoning'. I've made my case and it's closed. Wether you accept it or not, you were wrong.
You confirmed that it's merely a game for you and called you out for it. So I reiterate: you're just a troll and therefor I can not get aggrevated and can not invest much time to engage in this comedy show.
You were wrong.
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You do seem to be rather aggravated, despite your rather forceful protests to the contrary. Simply repeating your incorrect assertion over and over again does not make it correct, and incorrectly claiming I have 'confirmed' aspects of your narrative does not form adequate material support to your point.
posted on 22/7/18
comment by KLS (U1695)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Why do people keep on with this facking idiot?
Just wait till the season starts and Van Dijk performs like a Rolls Royce and then come back at ridicule him.
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Poor value for money, large turning circle.
posted on 22/7/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 58 minutes ago
Brain, now that you've lost the VVD argument let's talk about Alisson. Do you think he'll improve us significantly?
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Your suggestion that I have 'lost the argument' is not the case, as my points remain valid. Regarding Allison, I really couldn't say I have seen enough to make a solid judgement. I saw him at the world cup and he seemed solid but unspectacular, and I saw him looking fairly unremarkable in the champions league, and he missed the chance to impress versus liverpool. Essentially, I haven't yet seen him do anything especially impressive, but I'll wait to pass judgement and hopefully he will do well.
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Your point does not remain valid.
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Excellent contribution
posted on 23/7/18
Oh look, a goal for Van Dijk tonight.
posted on 23/7/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 18 minutes ago
Oh look, a goal for Van Dijk tonight.
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And..
posted on 23/7/18
posted on 23/7/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago
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Sorry, you're right, a goal in a pre-season warm up game is a pretty big deal.
posted on 23/7/18
Matip injured again. If you can't accept that VVD improves us significantly compared Klavan you have no place discussing football imo.
posted on 23/7/18
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 17 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 25 minutes ago
Has he improved Liverpool significantly? In my opinion, not yet.
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Not yet...
So you're changing your stance already, from stating that he won't, to now being open to the possibility that he could
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My stance is the same. 'Not yet' means that as of this moment, I don't believe that it is the case. Furthermore, by using 'Not yet' it is demonstrating my openness for the possibility for him to have a such an impact, however within the context of the article, I don't believe he will.
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So despite your article being definitive that he won't improve Liverpool significantly, you're now arguing to leave the possibility of that open.
So, as per the car crash this article is, you've resorted to arguing with yourself.
T!t
posted on 23/7/18
VVD has significantly improved Liverpool- FACT. It is backed up with evidence.
This article is a car crash and humiliating for the op- FACT.
posted on 27/7/18
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
Matip injured again. If you can't accept that VVD improves us significantly compared Klavan you have no place discussing football imo.
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That wasn't the discussion, read the article rather than just the title.
posted on 27/7/18
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 4 days, 1 hour ago
VVD has significantly improved Liverpool- FACT. It is backed up with evidence.
This article is a car crash and humiliating for the op- FACT.
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The last time I saw such emphasis on the word 'FACT', it preceded a fairly bad run of results for Liverpool.
posted on 27/7/18
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 days, 9 hours ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 17 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 25 minutes ago
Has he improved Liverpool significantly? In my opinion, not yet.
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Not yet...
So you're changing your stance already, from stating that he won't, to now being open to the possibility that he could
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My stance is the same. 'Not yet' means that as of this moment, I don't believe that it is the case. Furthermore, by using 'Not yet' it is demonstrating my openness for the possibility for him to have a such an impact, however within the context of the article, I don't believe he will.
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So despite your article being definitive that he won't improve Liverpool significantly, you're now arguing to leave the possibility of that open.
So, as per the car crash this article is, you've resorted to arguing with yourself.
T!t
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Read the article before attempting to pass comment. The points you make are simply not supported by the article you claim to have read, and no amount of mindless emoji will change that.
posted on 28/7/18
The article is headed by a definitive - "Van Dijk won't improve Liverpool significantly"
Then commenting thusly a few months later - "Furthermore, by using 'Not yet' it is demonstrating my openness for the possibility for him to have a such an impact"
So going from "won't" to "possibility for him to have such an impact"
Brain flip flopped and turned into a massive mess of a mammary..
posted on 28/7/18
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 46 minutes ago
The article is headed by a definitive - "Van Dijk won't improve Liverpool significantly"
Then commenting thusly a few months later - "Furthermore, by using 'Not yet' it is demonstrating my openness for the possibility for him to have a such an impact"
So going from "won't" to "possibility for him to have such an impact"
Brain flip flopped and turned into a massive mess of a mammary..
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It's rather clear you are clutching at straws, as there is nothing unreasonable in my posts.
posted on 28/7/18
While the content might be reasonable individually, those two examples show you've contradicted yourself in your own thread, and, that you no longer have confidence in the title.
t!t
posted on 28/7/18
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
While the content might be reasonable individually, those two examples show you've contradicted yourself in your own thread, and, that you no longer have confidence in the title.
t!t
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My position remains the same, however retaining at least an openness to the possibility of an alternative viewpoint makes a discussion forum viable. Are you suggesting that a view is only credible if a person states that they will fully and completely refuse to alter their position no matter what? That their view now must be correct and that will be the case in perpetuity?
I stand by my view, but of course if something convincing came along to persuade me otherwise then I would be happy to change, however I haven't seen anything to make me do that. Do you not share the same approach when you are in a discussion? Your discussions must surely be driven by pride rather than content.
posted on 28/7/18
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
While the content might be reasonable individually, those two examples show you've contradicted yourself in your own thread, and, that you no longer have confidence in the title.
t!t
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My position remains the same, however retaining at least an openness to the possibility of an alternative viewpoint makes a discussion forum viable. Are you suggesting that a view is only credible if a person states that they will fully and completely refuse to alter their position no matter what? That their view now must be correct and that will be the case in perpetuity?
I stand by my view, but of course if something convincing came along to persuade me otherwise then I would be happy to change, however I haven't seen anything to make me do that. Do you not share the same approach when you are in a discussion? Your discussions must surely be driven by pride rather than content.
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I should add that I do appreciate you agreeing that the content of the article is reasonable though.
posted on 28/7/18
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 13 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
Matip injured again. If you can't accept that VVD improves us significantly compared Klavan you have no place discussing football imo.
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That wasn't the discussion, read the article rather than just the title.
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Yeah did that.
Paragraph 1)
Possibly has a point but Id argue the fact we defend from the front and win the ball high up the pitch, and demonstrably concede so few chances, means that although it can lead to isolation the amount of final ball defending is decreased and as such negates your point.
P2) Poor defenders will always make defending harder, that's nothing revolutionary in thought. Defending is about partnerships and coupled with Roberston, plus an ability to win the ball the vast amount of times in the air and his recovery pace this means that inside left channel (and outside) is significantly stronger defensively. Ive no idea what you expect his best form to be but he seems to be playing very well.
P3) Just filler and a guess.
So ultimately, yes, this is about whether he improves us significantly compared to playing someone else which would be Klavan.
It seems to me youve based your op on 'Klopp has quick attacks and commits men forward therefore defending will be hard regardless'. No offence but that's an incredibly base and reductive assessment which demonstrates a poor understanding and has ultimately been proved wrong so far.
Sometimes its just best to hold your hands up mate.
posted on 28/7/18
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 13 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 4 days, 13 hours ago
Matip injured again. If you can't accept that VVD improves us significantly compared Klavan you have no place discussing football imo.
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That wasn't the discussion, read the article rather than just the title.
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Yeah did that.
Paragraph 1)
Possibly has a point but Id argue the fact we defend from the front and win the ball high up the pitch, and demonstrably concede so few chances, means that although it can lead to isolation the amount of final ball defending is decreased and as such negates your point.
P2) Poor defenders will always make defending harder, that's nothing revolutionary in thought. Defending is about partnerships and coupled with Roberston, plus an ability to win the ball the vast amount of times in the air and his recovery pace this means that inside left channel (and outside) is significantly stronger defensively. Ive no idea what you expect his best form to be but he seems to be playing very well.
P3) Just filler and a guess.
So ultimately, yes, this is about whether he improves us significantly compared to playing someone else which would be Klavan.
It seems to me youve based your op on 'Klopp has quick attacks and commits men forward therefore defending will be hard regardless'. No offence but that's an incredibly base and reductive assessment which demonstrates a poor understanding and has ultimately been proved wrong so far.
Sometimes its just best to hold your hands up mate.
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That's a very fair response to the article, well reasoned points and delivered in a civil fashion. I agree that better defenders will improve a team, but I still believe that within the environment Van Dijk is occupying, when it comes to the crunch, the defensive aspects of Liverpool are going to let the side down. Maybe it's too soon to definitively say, but I still believe that to be the case.
posted on 28/7/18
There are lots of ways to win a football match and being an attacking side is one of them them. With that comes risk and conversely it can be a risk not to score.
The point of VVD (and waiting for him whilst also paying a world record fee for a defender) is that his skill set mitigates that risk.
As said though this is as much about Robertson and indeed Lovren, Alisson and TAA (plus the rest of the team) as it is VVD.
posted on 28/7/18
comment by Robbing_Hoody - If he asked me to I would move to Egypt just to iron Salah's socks. (U6374)
posted 28 minutes ago
There are lots of ways to win a football match and being an attacking side is one of them them. With that comes risk and conversely it can be a risk not to score.
The point of VVD (and waiting for him whilst also paying a world record fee for a defender) is that his skill set mitigates that risk.
As said though this is as much about Robertson and indeed Lovren, Alisson and TAA (plus the rest of the team) as it is VVD.
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Indeed, and perhaps in some ways it will be quite informative to assess matters when the attacking unit is not performing, and the defence is really needed to be called upon for it's primary function.
posted on 12/8/18
Was imperious today... improved Gomez's game significantly
posted on 12/8/18
Best centre back in the league!
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