comment by Busby (U19985)
posted about 4 hours ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 day, 9 hours ago
I hope AJ beats Usyk and we see the biggest fight the country has ever seen, in AJ vs Fury for all the belts and glory.
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If AJ beats Usyk, surely it’s #3?
Of all the HW contenders, AJ is probably the easiest fight for Fury. Jabs his head off until AJ tires in 7/8. Fury has become pretty clinical in his finishing off opponents.
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There's no trilogy clause.
If AJ beats Usyk in the rematch, he will move on, just like he did with Ruiz.
Wilder ducked AJ and instead fought a Tyson Fury who was coming back from 2+ year layoff, as he thought it would be an easy nights work.
Wilder vs AJ,Wilder vs Whyte,Wilder vs Usyk,Wilder vs Ruiz are all interesting fights but the problem is Wilder doesn't want them. He made excuses for the Fury fight and then he went into hiding after the 3rd fight. I don't think he wants to box anymore and it's sad because he's an exciting addition to the HW scene.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about an hour ago
Wilder would have smashed AJ, I think we can all see that now. If master boxer Fury couldn't avoid Wilder's bombs then there's no way AJ would either with his stiff movement and lack of head movement. Would have been an easy night for Wilder.
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It would have been a dangerous fight for AJ but Wilder would also get hit. That's a 50/50 gun slinging fight where the first to land wins.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted about 4 hours ago
Wilder deserves a shot at the likes of AJ and Usyk imo.
Sick and tired of great fights not being made, it’s tarnished boxing to the point it isn’t even real competition.
UFC has done it right, less belts, still make the big money fights but he generally speaking the right fights have to be made.
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It's unfortunate but it's more down to the promotional battles than the fighters not wanting it. The UFC is one promotion who just so happen to have the best fighters, so it's easier to make fights. In boxing, you have different fighters under different promoters and agreeing to deals etc is complicated. Also worth noting that whilst the top guys in boxing don't fight each other as often as we'd like, they get paid a lot more than UFC fighters and therefore have a lot to lose, when making fights and deals.
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Wilder 100% ducked AJ and it's common knowledge at this point.
When Wilder fought Fury the 1st time and they went to a draw, AJ offered Wilder big money for a unifcation bout. Wilder has stated that he turned down the unification and more money and instead, chose to give Fury a rematch.
It would be like AJ beating Usyk in a close fight and instead of unifying against Fury, he fights Usyk again.
The Wilder vs AJ fight should have happened well before Wilder took the Fury fight instead though. There was a period when that fight should have happened and it didn't and it didn't have anything to do with Fury.
I'm not sure who ducked who but Wilder has never come across as a ducker to me. Even after he got annihilated by Fury in their second fight he still took the third fight instead of potentially huge step aside money.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
The Wilder vs AJ fight should have happened well before Wilder took the Fury fight instead though. There was a period when that fight should have happened and it didn't and it didn't have anything to do with Fury.
I'm not sure who ducked who but Wilder has never come across as a ducker to me. Even after he got annihilated by Fury in their second fight he still took the third fight instead of potentially huge step aside money.
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Wilder hasn't come across as a ducker but he has ducked AJ.
Wilder took the 3rd fight because he believed all the excuses that he came up with.
It's true that Wilder chose to fight Fury again instead of fighting AJ. Not sure that counts as ducking AJ as such. Wilder was signed up to a potential trilogy of fights with Fury.
Which is something that AJ himself could have done but didn't. Which is how we got to Fury fighting Wilder instead in the first place.
Who was responsible for AJ vs Wilder not happening in all that time before that happened? That's what I want to know.
Both sides were dragging it out to build it up more. AJ said he rejected an offer because the money wasn't enough.
Superb
Wilder fought Fury and then chose to fight him again, instead of unifying with AJ. Bare in mind, he didn't fight Fury immediately, he fought Breazele and a rematch with Ortiz in between. I don't see how you can say he wasn't ducking AJ at this point.
As for who was ducking who before the Fury fight, it's anyones guess. But what we do know is that whilst Wilder was fighting guys like Washington and Stiverne in a rematch, AJ was put there beating guys like Joseph Parker and collecting world titles.
As for who was ducking who before the Fury fight, it's anyones guess. But what we do know is that whilst Wilder was fighting guys like Washington and Stiverne in a rematch, AJ was put there beating guys like Joseph Parker and collecting world titles.
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This is the time I'm most interested in though. There was a significant period of time where AJ and Wilder could and should have fought but didn't. And nobody knows who was ducking who in all that time.
Fury had nothing to do with that as he was pretty much out of the sport with nobody even knowing if he'd ever come back.
More importantly:
https://youtu.be/I2IofxJ3bIo
The push saved him from getting punched again whilst stumbling about already unconscious
People always overreact and get caught up in the moment when fighters lose. AJ lost to Usyk and I hear how pretty much everyone smashes him from Wilder to Chisora. I think AJ could still beat Wilder or vice versa. Wilder likely smashes Whyte on Saturday's showing. But then again we don't know what frame of mind Wilder is in anymore and he is getting ever closer to 40 years old. Wilder gets beat by an in form Usyk too.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
People always overreact and get caught up in the moment when fighters lose. AJ lost to Usyk and I hear how pretty much everyone smashes him from Wilder to Chisora. I think AJ could still beat Wilder or vice versa. Wilder likely smashes Whyte on Saturday's showing. But then again we don't know what frame of mind Wilder is in anymore and he is getting ever closer to 40 years old. Wilder gets beat by an in form Usyk too.
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Recency bias is always rife in combat sports.
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
People always overreact and get caught up in the moment when fighters lose. AJ lost to Usyk and I hear how pretty much everyone smashes him from Wilder to Chisora. I think AJ could still beat Wilder or vice versa. Wilder likely smashes Whyte on Saturday's showing. But then again we don't know what frame of mind Wilder is in anymore and he is getting ever closer to 40 years old. Wilder gets beat by an in form Usyk too.
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Recency bias is always rife in combat sports.
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A lot comes from people not having a clue too.
We need to remember that Wilder only fought the best version of Fury once, in that second fight, and he was completely obliterated and barely laid a glove on Fury. Anyone he's fought who is half decent has gone a good number of rounds with him, it's not like he's been knocking everyone who isn't Fury out in the first couple of rounds. Luis went 10 and 7 rounds with him, and so could AJ, and AJ could hurt him during that time.
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
People always overreact and get caught up in the moment when fighters lose. AJ lost to Usyk and I hear how pretty much everyone smashes him from Wilder to Chisora. I think AJ could still beat Wilder or vice versa. Wilder likely smashes Whyte on Saturday's showing. But then again we don't know what frame of mind Wilder is in anymore and he is getting ever closer to 40 years old. Wilder gets beat by an in form Usyk too.
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Recency bias is always rife in combat sports.
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I reckon Tommy Fury would lose to that Youtuber based on what I saw at the weekend.
Not even on about Jake Paul either, reckon even pewdiepie would KO him.
I would back Paul to beat Tommy Fury
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 days, 4 hours ago
I would back Paul to beat Tommy Fury
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Agreed
Tommy fury is trash just don’t see it at all
Jake Paul is actually half decent
comment by Oscar #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 40 minutes ago
Tommy fury is trash just don’t see it at all
Jake Paul is actually half decent
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That's the thing with Paul, isn't it? People dislike him because of who he is and how he's come to the fore. But in terms of his athleticism, dedication and natural ability, the guy is capable. He isn't just in it to be a sideshow, he's dedicated to being as good as he can be. You have to respect that, if not the man himself.
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Oscar #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 40 minutes ago
Tommy fury is trash just don’t see it at all
Jake Paul is actually half decent
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That's the thing with Paul, isn't it? People dislike him because of who he is and how he's come to the fore. But in terms of his athleticism, dedication and natural ability, the guy is capable. He isn't just in it to be a sideshow, he's dedicated to being as good as he can be. You have to respect that, if not the man himself.
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Maybe he should fight an actual Boxer next then if he’s serious about it.
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posted on 25/4/22
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted about 4 hours ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 day, 9 hours ago
I hope AJ beats Usyk and we see the biggest fight the country has ever seen, in AJ vs Fury for all the belts and glory.
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If AJ beats Usyk, surely it’s #3?
Of all the HW contenders, AJ is probably the easiest fight for Fury. Jabs his head off until AJ tires in 7/8. Fury has become pretty clinical in his finishing off opponents.
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There's no trilogy clause.
If AJ beats Usyk in the rematch, he will move on, just like he did with Ruiz.
posted on 25/4/22
Wilder ducked AJ and instead fought a Tyson Fury who was coming back from 2+ year layoff, as he thought it would be an easy nights work.
Wilder vs AJ,Wilder vs Whyte,Wilder vs Usyk,Wilder vs Ruiz are all interesting fights but the problem is Wilder doesn't want them. He made excuses for the Fury fight and then he went into hiding after the 3rd fight. I don't think he wants to box anymore and it's sad because he's an exciting addition to the HW scene.
posted on 25/4/22
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about an hour ago
Wilder would have smashed AJ, I think we can all see that now. If master boxer Fury couldn't avoid Wilder's bombs then there's no way AJ would either with his stiff movement and lack of head movement. Would have been an easy night for Wilder.
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It would have been a dangerous fight for AJ but Wilder would also get hit. That's a 50/50 gun slinging fight where the first to land wins.
posted on 25/4/22
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted about 4 hours ago
Wilder deserves a shot at the likes of AJ and Usyk imo.
Sick and tired of great fights not being made, it’s tarnished boxing to the point it isn’t even real competition.
UFC has done it right, less belts, still make the big money fights but he generally speaking the right fights have to be made.
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It's unfortunate but it's more down to the promotional battles than the fighters not wanting it. The UFC is one promotion who just so happen to have the best fighters, so it's easier to make fights. In boxing, you have different fighters under different promoters and agreeing to deals etc is complicated. Also worth noting that whilst the top guys in boxing don't fight each other as often as we'd like, they get paid a lot more than UFC fighters and therefore have a lot to lose, when making fights and deals.
posted on 25/4/22
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posted on 25/4/22
Wilder 100% ducked AJ and it's common knowledge at this point.
When Wilder fought Fury the 1st time and they went to a draw, AJ offered Wilder big money for a unifcation bout. Wilder has stated that he turned down the unification and more money and instead, chose to give Fury a rematch.
It would be like AJ beating Usyk in a close fight and instead of unifying against Fury, he fights Usyk again.
posted on 25/4/22
The Wilder vs AJ fight should have happened well before Wilder took the Fury fight instead though. There was a period when that fight should have happened and it didn't and it didn't have anything to do with Fury.
I'm not sure who ducked who but Wilder has never come across as a ducker to me. Even after he got annihilated by Fury in their second fight he still took the third fight instead of potentially huge step aside money.
posted on 25/4/22
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
The Wilder vs AJ fight should have happened well before Wilder took the Fury fight instead though. There was a period when that fight should have happened and it didn't and it didn't have anything to do with Fury.
I'm not sure who ducked who but Wilder has never come across as a ducker to me. Even after he got annihilated by Fury in their second fight he still took the third fight instead of potentially huge step aside money.
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Wilder hasn't come across as a ducker but he has ducked AJ.
Wilder took the 3rd fight because he believed all the excuses that he came up with.
posted on 25/4/22
It's true that Wilder chose to fight Fury again instead of fighting AJ. Not sure that counts as ducking AJ as such. Wilder was signed up to a potential trilogy of fights with Fury.
Which is something that AJ himself could have done but didn't. Which is how we got to Fury fighting Wilder instead in the first place.
Who was responsible for AJ vs Wilder not happening in all that time before that happened? That's what I want to know.
posted on 25/4/22
Both sides were dragging it out to build it up more. AJ said he rejected an offer because the money wasn't enough.
posted on 25/4/22
Superb
Wilder fought Fury and then chose to fight him again, instead of unifying with AJ. Bare in mind, he didn't fight Fury immediately, he fought Breazele and a rematch with Ortiz in between. I don't see how you can say he wasn't ducking AJ at this point.
As for who was ducking who before the Fury fight, it's anyones guess. But what we do know is that whilst Wilder was fighting guys like Washington and Stiverne in a rematch, AJ was put there beating guys like Joseph Parker and collecting world titles.
posted on 25/4/22
As for who was ducking who before the Fury fight, it's anyones guess. But what we do know is that whilst Wilder was fighting guys like Washington and Stiverne in a rematch, AJ was put there beating guys like Joseph Parker and collecting world titles.
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This is the time I'm most interested in though. There was a significant period of time where AJ and Wilder could and should have fought but didn't. And nobody knows who was ducking who in all that time.
Fury had nothing to do with that as he was pretty much out of the sport with nobody even knowing if he'd ever come back.
posted on 25/4/22
More importantly:
https://youtu.be/I2IofxJ3bIo
posted on 25/4/22
The push saved him from getting punched again whilst stumbling about already unconscious
posted on 25/4/22
People always overreact and get caught up in the moment when fighters lose. AJ lost to Usyk and I hear how pretty much everyone smashes him from Wilder to Chisora. I think AJ could still beat Wilder or vice versa. Wilder likely smashes Whyte on Saturday's showing. But then again we don't know what frame of mind Wilder is in anymore and he is getting ever closer to 40 years old. Wilder gets beat by an in form Usyk too.
posted on 25/4/22
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
People always overreact and get caught up in the moment when fighters lose. AJ lost to Usyk and I hear how pretty much everyone smashes him from Wilder to Chisora. I think AJ could still beat Wilder or vice versa. Wilder likely smashes Whyte on Saturday's showing. But then again we don't know what frame of mind Wilder is in anymore and he is getting ever closer to 40 years old. Wilder gets beat by an in form Usyk too.
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Recency bias is always rife in combat sports.
posted on 25/4/22
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
People always overreact and get caught up in the moment when fighters lose. AJ lost to Usyk and I hear how pretty much everyone smashes him from Wilder to Chisora. I think AJ could still beat Wilder or vice versa. Wilder likely smashes Whyte on Saturday's showing. But then again we don't know what frame of mind Wilder is in anymore and he is getting ever closer to 40 years old. Wilder gets beat by an in form Usyk too.
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Recency bias is always rife in combat sports.
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A lot comes from people not having a clue too.
We need to remember that Wilder only fought the best version of Fury once, in that second fight, and he was completely obliterated and barely laid a glove on Fury. Anyone he's fought who is half decent has gone a good number of rounds with him, it's not like he's been knocking everyone who isn't Fury out in the first couple of rounds. Luis went 10 and 7 rounds with him, and so could AJ, and AJ could hurt him during that time.
posted on 25/4/22
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 8 minutes ago
People always overreact and get caught up in the moment when fighters lose. AJ lost to Usyk and I hear how pretty much everyone smashes him from Wilder to Chisora. I think AJ could still beat Wilder or vice versa. Wilder likely smashes Whyte on Saturday's showing. But then again we don't know what frame of mind Wilder is in anymore and he is getting ever closer to 40 years old. Wilder gets beat by an in form Usyk too.
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Recency bias is always rife in combat sports.
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I reckon Tommy Fury would lose to that Youtuber based on what I saw at the weekend.
posted on 25/4/22
Not even on about Jake Paul either, reckon even pewdiepie would KO him.
posted on 25/4/22
I would back Paul to beat Tommy Fury
posted on 30/4/22
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 days, 4 hours ago
I would back Paul to beat Tommy Fury
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Agreed
posted on 30/4/22
Tommy fury is trash just don’t see it at all
Jake Paul is actually half decent
posted on 30/4/22
comment by Oscar #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 40 minutes ago
Tommy fury is trash just don’t see it at all
Jake Paul is actually half decent
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That's the thing with Paul, isn't it? People dislike him because of who he is and how he's come to the fore. But in terms of his athleticism, dedication and natural ability, the guy is capable. He isn't just in it to be a sideshow, he's dedicated to being as good as he can be. You have to respect that, if not the man himself.
posted on 30/4/22
comment by merrysupersteve (monitoring the situation) (U1132)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Oscar #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 40 minutes ago
Tommy fury is trash just don’t see it at all
Jake Paul is actually half decent
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That's the thing with Paul, isn't it? People dislike him because of who he is and how he's come to the fore. But in terms of his athleticism, dedication and natural ability, the guy is capable. He isn't just in it to be a sideshow, he's dedicated to being as good as he can be. You have to respect that, if not the man himself.
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Maybe he should fight an actual Boxer next then if he’s serious about it.
posted on 30/4/22
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