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comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 23/3/23

Holmes was great, but he was completely past it by the time he fought Tyson. Had prime Larry Holmes fought Tyson that night it would have been a very different story.

Similarly Ali wouldn't have got taken apart by Holmes in their fight if Ali was in his prime and not suffering from early stages of Parkinson's.

Both Holmes's fights with Ali and Tyson should be largely ignored as they give no indication who would have won if they'd all fought in their primes.

posted on 23/3/23

Warren and Usyks team were on talksport yesterday talking about this.

They pretty much confirmed that its Fury creating all the problems here and Usyks team got fed up with him.

Even Warren as good as admitted that its Fury causing it, its pretty much all down to two things, the rematch clause and Fury wanted 70/30 again even if he loses the first fight which is shocking, and Fury now not willing to accept the £1m payment to the people of Ukraine.

fair play and common sense says 70/30 like Usyk agreed to come down to, and 70/30 again to Fury if he wins the first fight and 50/50 split if Usyk wins the first fight.

Now Fury wants the rematch clause to be either 70/30 or removed all together.

3 weeks ago Usyk already agreed to 70/30 no rematch and £1m to the ukrainian people. Then he wanted the the rematch clause on top of that, then they wanted the rematch clause removed and now doesnt want to pay the £1m.

Tyson aint scared to fight but he is so far up his own a$$ and greedy as hell that its stopping the fihgt being made

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 23/3/23

I think he is scared to fight Usyk. Not scared of getting beat up or knocked out but scared of getting outboxed and shown up by a much faster master boxer. Especially after Fury has been so dismissive of Usyk saying that he poses no threat and that he's just a middleweight. It would be humiliating for Fury to lose the fight and I think that's what he's scared of.

I don't think this is about greed otherwise Fury never would have fought Chisora given how little he must have made from that by comparison. He's moving the goal posts constantly because he doesn't want to risk losing his 0 as well as all the credit he's built up since beating Wilder. Sadly for Fury that's backfired and his fans are disowning him in their droves.

posted on 23/3/23

actually Spinks was a LW before he moved up to fight Holmes

posted on 23/3/23

Fury is certainly afraid of losing to Usyk. I think he watched the rematch between AJ and Usyk and reconsidered just how much of a challenge Usyk could be. Add to that, the Chisora fight, did Fury discover something about himself in that fight? Maybe his reflexes are going, maybe he doesn't feel as light on his feet?

This is a guy that has abused his body with drugs, alcohol, junk food and who knows what else. He won't have the longevity of other fighters and father time will come knocking very soon.

posted on 23/3/23

* LHW that should be

posted on 23/3/23

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 52 minutes ago
I think he is scared to fight Usyk. Not scared of getting beat up or knocked out but scared of getting outboxed and shown up by a much faster master boxer. Especially after Fury has been so dismissive of Usyk saying that he poses no threat and that he's just a middleweight. It would be humiliating for Fury to lose the fight and I think that's what he's scared of.

I don't think this is about greed otherwise Fury never would have fought Chisora given how little he must have made from that by comparison. He's moving the goal posts constantly because he doesn't want to risk losing his 0 as well as all the credit he's built up since beating Wilder. Sadly for Fury that's backfired and his fans are disowning him in their droves.
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the only thing he fears is losing out on future earnings.

he isnt scared to fight, isnt scared to lose, he uis scared of not making the same amount of millions he is demanding.

Fury got good money for Chisora considering the level of fighter he was, keeps him winning and able to demand 70/30 splits from other champions.

its all about money and greed IMO.

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 23/3/23

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 52 minutes ago
I think he is scared to fight Usyk. Not scared of getting beat up or knocked out but scared of getting outboxed and shown up by a much faster master boxer. Especially after Fury has been so dismissive of Usyk saying that he poses no threat and that he's just a middleweight. It would be humiliating for Fury to lose the fight and I think that's what he's scared of.

I don't think this is about greed otherwise Fury never would have fought Chisora given how little he must have made from that by comparison. He's moving the goal posts constantly because he doesn't want to risk losing his 0 as well as all the credit he's built up since beating Wilder. Sadly for Fury that's backfired and his fans are disowning him in their droves.
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the only thing he fears is losing out on future earnings.

he isnt scared to fight, isnt scared to lose, he uis scared of not making the same amount of millions he is demanding.

Fury got good money for Chisora considering the level of fighter he was, keeps him winning and able to demand 70/30 splits from other champions.

its all about money and greed IMO.
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That doesn't make sense to me. Fury would have earned comparatively little fighting Chisora. Certainly a mere fraction of what he'd earn fighting for the the first undisputed Heavyweight fight of the century.

If it's all about money then he'd be getting 70% of what would be one of the biggest ppv's in history. It would be Tyson's biggest payday so far. So why not do everything to make that fight happen if it's all about greed ?

Fury has been blatantly lying about being in a training camp for Usyk. He has no southpaw sparring partners in camp and his trainer Sugar Hill has admitted that he's not in England for Usyk and doesn't know anything about the Usyk fight. It clearly shows that Fury never had any intention to fight Usyk lol:

https://youtu.be/5nATdhKoGE4

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 23/3/23

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 22 minutes ago
Fury is certainly afraid of losing to Usyk. I think he watched the rematch between AJ and Usyk and reconsidered just how much of a challenge Usyk could be. Add to that, the Chisora fight, did Fury discover something about himself in that fight? Maybe his reflexes are going, maybe he doesn't feel as light on his feet?

This is a guy that has abused his body with drugs, alcohol, junk food and who knows what else. He won't have the longevity of other fighters and father time will come knocking very soon.
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Yup totally agree. And if this is a ploy from Tyson to delay the fight with Usyk being two years older than him then I think he's making a big mistake because if one of them is going to grow old overnight it's Fury.

posted on 23/3/23

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posted on 23/3/23

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 52 minutes ago
I think he is scared to fight Usyk. Not scared of getting beat up or knocked out but scared of getting outboxed and shown up by a much faster master boxer. Especially after Fury has been so dismissive of Usyk saying that he poses no threat and that he's just a middleweight. It would be humiliating for Fury to lose the fight and I think that's what he's scared of.

I don't think this is about greed otherwise Fury never would have fought Chisora given how little he must have made from that by comparison. He's moving the goal posts constantly because he doesn't want to risk losing his 0 as well as all the credit he's built up since beating Wilder. Sadly for Fury that's backfired and his fans are disowning him in their droves.
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the only thing he fears is losing out on future earnings.

he isnt scared to fight, isnt scared to lose, he uis scared of not making the same amount of millions he is demanding.

Fury got good money for Chisora considering the level of fighter he was, keeps him winning and able to demand 70/30 splits from other champions.

its all about money and greed IMO.
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Of course money is a factor but there is also fear in losing to Usyk and then not being able to earn that money.

If Fury loses to Usyk, he has no bargaining power, because Fury would have nothing of value for Usyk.

posted on 23/3/23

when the WBC made lennox lewis the mandatory for title holder Bowe...he threw the belt in the bin rather than face him

posted on 23/3/23

comment by tliv7-0 (U11882)
posted 4 minutes ago
Why do the boxing authorities never make fights like Usyk vs Fury or AJ vs Fury the mandatories?
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Corruption.

posted on 23/3/23

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posted on 23/3/23

comment by tliv7-0 (U11882)
posted 11 minutes ago
Why do the boxing authorities never make fights like Usyk vs Fury or AJ vs Fury the mandatories?
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cos they have all their own versions of rankings and to get to the top you normally have to face the certain fighters in that the specific governing body ranks.

so for eg..... no2 for the WBC might not be who is no2 for the WBA, WBO, IBF etc...

posted on 23/3/23

Also I think if you go down the mandatory route you give up the purse bids.... for eg if you down the mandatory route i think you get a split of 25/75 in favour of the champ.

not a lot of people fancy that !!

posted on 23/3/23

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 52 minutes ago
I think he is scared to fight Usyk. Not scared of getting beat up or knocked out but scared of getting outboxed and shown up by a much faster master boxer. Especially after Fury has been so dismissive of Usyk saying that he poses no threat and that he's just a middleweight. It would be humiliating for Fury to lose the fight and I think that's what he's scared of.

I don't think this is about greed otherwise Fury never would have fought Chisora given how little he must have made from that by comparison. He's moving the goal posts constantly because he doesn't want to risk losing his 0 as well as all the credit he's built up since beating Wilder. Sadly for Fury that's backfired and his fans are disowning him in their droves.
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the only thing he fears is losing out on future earnings.

he isnt scared to fight, isnt scared to lose, he uis scared of not making the same amount of millions he is demanding.

Fury got good money for Chisora considering the level of fighter he was, keeps him winning and able to demand 70/30 splits from other champions.

its all about money and greed IMO.
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Of course money is a factor but there is also fear in losing to Usyk and then not being able to earn that money.

If Fury loses to Usyk, he has no bargaining power, because Fury would have nothing of value for Usyk.
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yeah thats what I mean it s fear of losing future income, its all about money. nothing to do about the zero, being scared of getting beat up shown up in the ring.... all about money IMO.

posted on 23/3/23

Fear of losing money, fear of losing the 0, fear of the reputation damage of losing, fear of losing and then damaging his legacy as the best HW of this era.

All factors in my opinion.

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 23/3/23

He's not scared of getting beat up or knocked out by Usyk as that isn't what Usyk does in the HW division. But after watching Usyk put on a boxing clinic against AJ he's definitely worried about fighting a speedy, southpaw master boxer technician as that's exactly the sort of fighter that will give him problems, regardless of size. Fury's happy to fight slow one dimensional lumps like Whyte and Chisora all day long because those type of fighters don't cause him any problems.

posted on 23/3/23

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 23 seconds ago
Fear of losing money, fear of losing the 0, fear of the reputation damage of losing, fear of losing and then damaging his legacy as the best HW of this era.

All factors in my opinion.
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yopu may be right, i just thikn if he got the omey he wants ie no payment to Ukraine, both fights 70/30 to him he takes the fight , so to me money is the reason the fight isnt happening as that seems to be the hold up.

Interstingly Usyks team has said that it is all on Fury, nothing on Warren and that Frank has done everything he can to get the fight to go ahead its all down to Fury. this was whilst on a call that Frank was also on the line and at no point did Frank correct him which was telling

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 23/3/23

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 33 seconds ago
Fear of losing money, fear of losing the 0, fear of the reputation damage of losing, fear of losing and then damaging his legacy as the best HW of this era.

All factors in my opinion.
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Yup, he's scared to take the Usyk fight because he has a lot to lose. Problem is he's lost a lot of fans over this, a huge chunk of his fanbase have turned on him as it's very clear what's happened here.

posted on 23/3/23

I just get a sneaky feeling the fight will go ahead!

dont know why, i think Usyk will bend to Fury's demands.

Just have a feeling.

comment by Superb (U6486)

posted on 23/3/23

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 seconds ago
I just get a sneaky feeling the fight will go ahead!

dont know why, i think Usyk will bend to Fury's demands.

Just have a feeling.
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What are they now then ? Licking Fury's boots in the ring before the fight starts ?

posted on 23/3/23

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 35 seconds ago
I just get a sneaky feeling the fight will go ahead!

dont know why, i think Usyk will bend to Fury's demands.

Just have a feeling.
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What are they now then ? Licking Fury's boots in the ring before the fight starts ?
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i just think Usyk will accept the deal thats on the table just now. the two 70/30 splits.

Usyks team called off the negotiations thikning they cannot get anywhere and fury is taking the pi$$.

I think this was them drawing a line in the sand to say not more pis$$ takes.


Prob doesnt go ahead end of April maybe a couple weeks later?

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 23/3/23

The more you look at it the more you think Fury was scared of fighting Usyk and just never wanted the fight in the first place. At face value it looks like greed got in the way, but I think Fury was just using greed to prevent the fight happening. He never even bothered properly training for it; no southpaw sparring partner, no trainer, just some smoke and mirror vids of him at the gym.

Funny though, he probably underestimated just how much this would come back to bite him. Lost loads of fans and respect from the boxing community who have been able to see past all his BS. He's like the boy who cried wolf who fooled the fans once too often.

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