comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 3 seconds ago
I don’t think it would be. Sport always gets romanticised years after the fact. It may well be a point of contention for some, but an unbeaten record in heavyweight division won’t just be dismissed when history looks at his legacy.
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it will, Iron Mikes career gets questioned all the time cos of the guys he fought.

Might not be a ducking reason but the main reason people who are critical of Mike usually say "who did he beat" its the one thing that holds him back , the fact he never actually beat anyone of true note, the other greats he fought beat him.

And yet he’s still considered by many to be the best heavyweight ever. No fighter has ever had a flawless legacy, but the many still create a legacy that is remembered in the annals of history. For Fury it would be his unbeaten record. Just because people will question why he didn’t fight Usyk doesn’t mean that not righting Usyk will be his legacy.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
I don’t think it would be. Sport always gets romanticised years after the fact. It may well be a point of contention for some, but an unbeaten record in heavyweight division won’t just be dismissed when history looks at his legacy.
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I couldn't disagree more tbh. Fans remember these things, they don't just go away over time. Everybody remembers Bowe ducking Lewis and it's talked about regularly to this day.

Anytime anyone brings up Fury's resume and his claim to be among the greatest will get knocked down straight away as someone will just bring up not fighting Usyk.

It's the same reason Bowe never gets mentioned as one of the very best when he probably should be and probably would have been even if he had lost to Lewis. Holyfield lost to Lewis as well but that doesn't stop a lot of people saying he's one of the top ten Heavyweights ever.

In fact Bowe beat Holyfield but you'll never see anyone list Bowe above Holyfield because of the fact that Bowe forever tarnished his rep by ducking Lewis.

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It’s always hard to know with Fury because he’s not exactly the most rational bloke, and I think his trash talk is a lot of the time for show. But there does seem to be a dilemma for him between enhancing his reputation further by fighting Usyk, or making it worse by losing that unbeaten record. I get why that’s a difficult decision, but he’s made himself look like a diiiiick the way he’s gone about it.
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It shouldn't be that hard a dilemma though considering that ducking will make him look worse than losing (say on a close points decision). His reputation is in tatters at the moment and everyone hates him. Is it worth it for keeping a 0?
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I think he's really damaged his rep here big time, certainly in my eyes. And from what I've seen online he's lost a shlt tonne of fans over this. We all knew this fight was going to collapse and so it happened. Yawn.
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He might even end up getting depression for real this time.
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Hmm might wanna save that one for his next failed drug test!
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Well he won't need any drugs in his system to be able to beat Chisora a few more times.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
And yet he’s still considered by many to be the best heavyweight ever. No fighter has ever had a flawless legacy, but the many still create a legacy that is remembered in the annals of history. For Fury it would be his unbeaten record. Just because people will question why he didn’t fight Usyk doesn’t mean that not righting Usyk will be his legacy.
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no he isnt .... not at all.

Ali is and always will be considered the greatest .

Anyone who is worth listening to in the future will hold this against Fury in the same way they hold it against Tyson. If you want to cast it out as far as "many" .... many thought AJ was the best heavyweight ever. granted that. granted they were all clueless but many clueless idiots out there exist.

the people who hold any sort of gravitas in boxing will hold this sorta thing against his career should it be that they dont fight. In the same way as an idiot in tesco will tell you Iron Mike was the greatest, but anyone of any worth on the matter will say well we dont really know cos he never really beat anyone of real note to put him in such a position.

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It’s always hard to know with Fury because he’s not exactly the most rational bloke, and I think his trash talk is a lot of the time for show. But there does seem to be a dilemma for him between enhancing his reputation further by fighting Usyk, or making it worse by losing that unbeaten record. I get why that’s a difficult decision, but he’s made himself look like a diiiiick the way he’s gone about it.
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It shouldn't be that hard a dilemma though considering that ducking will make him look worse than losing (say on a close points decision). His reputation is in tatters at the moment and everyone hates him. Is it worth it for keeping a 0?
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I think he's really damaged his rep here big time, certainly in my eyes. And from what I've seen online he's lost a shlt tonne of fans over this. We all knew this fight was going to collapse and so it happened. Yawn.
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He might even end up getting depression for real this time.
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Hmm might wanna save that one for his next failed drug test!
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Well he won't need any drugs in his system to be able to beat Chisora a few more times.
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just good old fashioned boar testicles then!

But you’re talking like these things are unanimous when they aren’t. Ultimately there are legacies that sportsman leave and they improve over time as they get romanticised. Just because there will always be their detractors doesn’t deflect from that. It’s just not how history works. And Fury’s legacy will be his unbeaten record. And it’s an impressive legacy, irrespective of ducking Usyk. Fury knows this all to well, he has a sense of history, which is why he’s got this dilemma in the first place.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
And yet he’s still considered by many to be the best heavyweight ever. No fighter has ever had a flawless legacy, but the many still create a legacy that is remembered in the annals of history. For Fury it would be his unbeaten record. Just because people will question why he didn’t fight Usyk doesn’t mean that not righting Usyk will be his legacy.
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He'll never be remembered as one of the true greats even if he keeps his 0, because his legacy is too incomplete.

You talk about Mike Tyson being thought of as one of the greatest, well a lot of that is down to the fact he was this young exciting undefeated talent through the 80's who kept knocking guys out in the first few rounds. That tends to overshadow the latter part of his career in the 90's for people because people realise he was past his best then. There is not a lot to attach to Fury's name. He has a 0 from just over 30 fights with only 2 good fighters on his record. That's it.

Yeah I agree with that. I’m not saying he’ll be remembered as one of the true grates, for the reasons you’ve given, but that will be the case even if he were to best Usyk. But an unbeaten record is still a very good legacy to have, even if it’s incomplete. And the history books will remember that. He cannot really enhance to goat level because his career is nearly finished and there’s not a field around that can put him in that bracket.

Fury's only had about six title fights and three of those were against the same person. One was against Delboy ffs. It's not a resume that puts him anywhere near the all time greats, especially if he doesn't fight the other best fighter of his era.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 minutes ago
But you’re talking like these things are unanimous when they aren’t. Ultimately there are legacies that sportsman leave and they improve over time as they get romanticised. Just because there will always be their detractors doesn’t deflect from that. It’s just not how history works. And Fury’s legacy will be his unbeaten record. And it’s an impressive legacy, irrespective of ducking Usyk. Fury knows this all to well, he has a sense of history, which is why he’s got this dilemma in the first place.
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well tbf I cant speak for other people i can only speak about what I will think. and history will no doubt go with either what the majority of people say or the majority of experts say as thats they way it tends to go.

I think the experts will defo pick up on the points I raised.

And in terms of the people, well I have given my opinion, many others on here have given theirs, and you have given yours.

granted that on here isnt the greatest sample size but far more having a go at him for this than are defending him.

As far as Im aware its literally only fury fanboys defending him, all others are slaughtering him here

But the majority and the experts will all acknowledge his unbeaten legacy. It’s what will define his career in the annals of history. This isn’t about a forensic analysis of his career and where he ranks in the pantheon of grates, that’s a different debate. Also worth considering we haven’t had the pr spin yet either.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 13 seconds ago
But the majority and the experts will all acknowledge his unbeaten legacy. It’s what will define his career in the annals of history. This isn’t about a forensic analysis of his career and where he ranks in the pantheon of grates, that’s a different debate. Also worth considering we haven’t had the pr spin yet either.
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oh they will acknowledge it 100%, they will say "he was undefeated, however ........." is exactly how it will go IMO.

comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 48 minutes ago
Yeah I agree with that. I’m not saying he’ll be remembered as one of the true grates, for the reasons you’ve given, but that will be the case even if he were to best Usyk. But an unbeaten record is still a very good legacy to have, even if it’s incomplete. And the history books will remember that. He cannot really enhance to goat level because his career is nearly finished and there’s not a field around that can put him in that bracket.
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If he were to fight let's say Usyk, Joshua and Joyce and beat all 3, he would definitely be in the GOAT conversation. That will never happen now though.

I’m not sure it would put him there. But we’ll never know anyway.

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comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
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Yeah I agree with that. I’m not saying he’ll be remembered as one of the true grates, for the reasons you’ve given, but that will be the case even if he were to best Usyk. But an unbeaten record is still a very good legacy to have, even if it’s incomplete. And the history books will remember that. He cannot really enhance to goat level because his career is nearly finished and there’s not a field around that can put him in that bracket.
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If he were to fight let's say Usyk, Joshua and Joyce and beat all 3, he would definitely be in the GOAT conversation. That will never happen now though.
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Sadly there's no chance we'd ever see Fury fight all three at this rate. I don't think he'd beat all three anyway. And if Fury isn't going to fight Usyk then at least fight the Juggernaut next otherwise I'll completely lose any remaining respect I have for him. Which isn't much at the moment.

I think it would put him in there. Lewis is put in the conversation so an undefeated Fury who also fought the best in his era, unified the division, and overcame his mental health problems would. It's a shame he doesn't give a crap about trying to be the best though.

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Yeah I agree with that. I’m not saying he’ll be remembered as one of the true grates, for the reasons you’ve given, but that will be the case even if he were to best Usyk. But an unbeaten record is still a very good legacy to have, even if it’s incomplete. And the history books will remember that. He cannot really enhance to goat level because his career is nearly finished and there’s not a field around that can put him in that bracket.
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If he were to fight let's say Usyk, Joshua and Joyce and beat all 3, he would definitely be in the GOAT conversation. That will never happen now though.
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Sadly there's no chance we'd ever see Fury fight all three at this rate. I don't think he'd beat all three anyway. And if Fury isn't going to fight Usyk then at least fight the Juggernaut next otherwise I'll completely lose any remaining respect I have for him. Which isn't much at the moment.
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He won't fight Joyce either. Like Usyk, he talked about Joyce not being in his era and how he doesn't have enough of a social media following for him, or something, I forget. Basically he's putting cold water on it.

I think Fury is more or less finished now.

Yeah I remember the Joyce not being in his era BS comment he made. What a joke. Fury should have retired after Wilder 3, or at least vacated the WBC belt as he clearly has no intention of being in the biggest fights anymore. And fighting UFC fighters with zero pro boxing experience doesn't count either.

* biggest or most challenging fights

This just gets worse for Fury. Sugar Hill admitted that he isn't even in the UK to train Fury for Usyk and had no idea about it lol.

https://youtu.be/HBSMmn9M3yc

So all the talk from Fury about already being in training for Usyk is shown up for the utter lies that it is. He had no intention to fight Usyk. .

Fury is a fraud.

This was August 2022:

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1562086525877338112?s=20

What happened to 50/50 Tyson?

remember Larry Holmes v Mike Spinks lads (those of you old enough to remember the mid 80s)

Holmes lost the "0" against a cruiserweight

was i think, one win away from Marciano's record

comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
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remember Larry Holmes v Mike Spinks lads (those of you old enough to remember the mid 80s)

Holmes lost the "0" against a cruiserweight

was i think, one win away from Marciano's record
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First time I saw Holmes’s was Tyson ripping his head off. My dad told me how great he was. A few years later I saw highlights on those great boxer videos.
Holmes’s was a great for sure.