Fury is the best HW of this era for me, but beating Usyk cements that.

As far as all time greats go, I wouldn't put him amongst guys like Lennox or Ali, simply because his resume isn't good enough.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 48 minutes ago
Fury is the best HW of this era for me, but beating Usyk cements that.

As far as all time greats go, I wouldn't put him amongst guys like Lennox or Ali, simply because his resume isn't good enough.
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Agree, he can't hold a candle to Lewis just yet. He did very well beating Wilder twice and taking Wlad's title in Germany (albeit an older Wlad), but outside of that his CV is extremely average. If he beats Usyk then he starts getting in the conversation but at the moment it's clear that Fury doesn't want this fight. To me anyway.

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Frank Warren on Oleksandr Usyk accusing Tyson Fury of ducking him: “This is the guy that went to Germany to fight Wladimir Klitschko, went to the USA three times to fight Deontay Wilder. The one thing about Tyson is he’s got balls as big as - just massive balls.” [
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‼️ Frank Warren has insisted that Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk WILL get finalised for April 29th at Wembley: “Like I said from the beginning, we’ll get this fight over the line. It will get over the line because both fighters want it.” [
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https://youtu.be/8eEGUf6YSUM

There's buzz around a potential Floyd & KSI vs Manny & Salt Papi tag match at a future misfits event

Would be incredible tbf

So weird that a fight like Fury vs Chisora can get made in a heartbeat but for a fight like Fury vs Usyk to happen it suddenly becomes impossible lol.

Fury should have pretended to drag out those negations with Delboy as he's really showing himself up here as being the person who clearly doesn't want this Usyk fight.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about an hour ago
So weird that a fight like Fury vs Chisora can get made in a heartbeat but for a fight like Fury vs Usyk to happen it suddenly becomes impossible lol.

Fury should have pretended to drag out those negations with Delboy as he's really showing himself up here as being the person who clearly doesn't want this Usyk fight.


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This is why the fighters are ultimatelt at fault.

Fury and Chisora both wanted the fight and it got made without any fuss. Same goes for AJ vs Usyk.

comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted about 17 hours ago
There's buzz around a potential Floyd & KSI vs Manny & Salt Papi tag match at a future misfits event
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Boxing is just stupid now. IFL TV were promoting female adult movie stars boxing the other night.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 21 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 27 minutes ago
Its public knowledge that AJ's team turned down the fight, AJ wanted it his team didnt dont quote me on it but think it was too soon after the Usyk loss (1st one).

the fighters dont duck each other , the promotors do.
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Fighters 100% duck each other.

If both AJ and Fury wanted the fight, the fight would happen.
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they get talked out of it all the time. the fighters dont know what will generate what, tickets sales PPV buys etc, profits to be made.
the promotors look at all that. How many times you heard AJ or many many other boxers say ... I Just fight who they out in front of me. I leave it to such and such to deal with.

fighters dont arrange the fights the promoters/trainers/managers do. the vast majority of boxers dont even know the fights they "ducked".

AJ has full say in who he fights. As does Fury who chose to fight Chisora for a third time. If Fury wants this Usyk fight to happen it will. If the fight doesn't happen it's because Fury didn't want it.

I'll say it again, fighters 100% duck each other. Managers and promoters can have an influence, nobody is denying that but ultimately it comes down to the fighter.

The line "I'll fight whoever my promoter wants" is a generic response. It has no value. It means as much as a fighter saying "this has been the best training camp of my life". It's just words to appease the public.

Of course fighters don't arrange fights, that's what promoters are for. But promoters, managers, trainers all work for the boxer. If AJ says he wants to fight someone, Eddie goes and makes it happen.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 2 minutes ago
AJ has full say in who he fights. As does Fury who chose to fight Chisora for a third time. If Fury wants this Usyk fight to happen it will. If the fight doesn't happen it's because Fury didn't want it.
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he is literally said that he will fight anyone , whoever they put in front of me.

He may have more of say now but the vast majorty of his career he would have fought who is put in front of him.

AJ is not so stupid to not take advice from those that know better. He is it in it for the money and those who know better will be advising him based on that.

comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 minutes ago
AJ has full say in who he fights. As does Fury who chose to fight Chisora for a third time. If Fury wants this Usyk fight to happen it will. If the fight doesn't happen it's because Fury didn't want it.
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Exactly.

It's clear that AJ's team didn't want the Usyk rematch immediately but AJ said he wants it, so it happened.

I think you're confusing boxing with MMA.

No boxer is taking a fight without wanting that fight. If Eddie Hearn suggests a fight, AJ can say yes or no.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted less than a minute ago
I'll say it again, fighters 100% duck each other. Managers and promoters can have an influence, nobody is denying that but ultimately it comes down to the fighter.

The line "I'll fight whoever my promoter wants" is a generic response. It has no value. It means as much as a fighter saying "this has been the best training camp of my life". It's just words to appease the public.

Of course fighters don't arrange fights, that's what promoters are for. But promoters, managers, trainers all work for the boxer. If AJ says he wants to fight someone, Eddie goes and makes it happen.
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its not generic.

its the facts. the boxers dot have a clue who generates more money, who takes what splits in other fights, what deal they can get with PPVs etc. they hire folk to do all that work for them. they are in charge of employing the people they fell advise him best.

yes there maybe the odd fight that is the exception.

But the recent AJ /Fury fight for example was accepted by AJ.... but his team turned down the offer.

Go research it.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted less than a minute ago
I think you're confusing boxing with MMA.

No boxer is taking a fight without wanting that fight. If Eddie Hearn suggests a fight, AJ can say yes or no.
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of course he can say yes or no. no one can force them, but AJ hires these guys for a reason. they know better for his career.

You're bringing up points that are irrelevant.

Of course boxers don't have knowledge on PPV revenue and the commercial side of things. That's the promoters job.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted less than a minute ago
I think you're confusing boxing with MMA.

No boxer is taking a fight without wanting that fight. If Eddie Hearn suggests a fight, AJ can say yes or no.
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of course he can say yes or no. no one can force them, but AJ hires these guys for a reason. they know better for his career.
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There we go.

He can say yes or no. The fighters have the final say.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted less than a minute ago
I think you're confusing boxing with MMA.

No boxer is taking a fight without wanting that fight. If Eddie Hearn suggests a fight, AJ can say yes or no.
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of course he can say yes or no. no one can force them, but AJ hires these guys for a reason. they know better for his career.
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There we go.

He can say yes or no. The fighters have the final say.
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thats not the same at all. the vast vast majority of boxers box people they have never even heard of.

AJ technically has the final say yes for fights that are gonna go ahead. AJ will not get wind of even a fraction of offers put to him. they will reject or duck loads of fights before his team decide what makes most sense for his career.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 5 minutes ago
You're bringing up points that are irrelevant.

Of course boxers don't have knowledge on PPV revenue and the commercial side of things. That's the promoters job.
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these are prob the biggest factors that are considered when making a fight.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted less than a minute ago
I'll say it again, fighters 100% duck each other. Managers and promoters can have an influence, nobody is denying that but ultimately it comes down to the fighter.

The line "I'll fight whoever my promoter wants" is a generic response. It has no value. It means as much as a fighter saying "this has been the best training camp of my life". It's just words to appease the public.

Of course fighters don't arrange fights, that's what promoters are for. But promoters, managers, trainers all work for the boxer. If AJ says he wants to fight someone, Eddie goes and makes it happen.
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its not generic.

its the facts. the boxers dot have a clue who generates more money, who takes what splits in other fights, what deal they can get with PPVs etc. they hire folk to do all that work for them. they are in charge of employing the people they fell advise him best.

yes there maybe the odd fight that is the exception.

But the recent AJ /Fury fight for example was accepted by AJ.... but his team turned down the offer.

Go research it.
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Go research AJs team not wanting the Usyk rematch.

AJ wanted it, so it happened.

Now you're getting into semantics.

Can every boxer decide who they fight?

No, because a kid who's 18 years old and is having his first pro fight, will have his team pick the opponent.

Established boxers decide who they fight.

This is how it works.

A promoter will bring a list of opponents to the fighter and the FIGHTER will then decide who he wants to fight.

Fighters duck each other in boxing. This is a fact.

If you can't agree with at least that, then any further discussion would only be redundant.