posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
I don't need to search for anything, look yourself. And you yourself have just alluded to it by saying:
"I think people are forgetting that AJ got caught right on the chin in the first round and how much of an effect that had on the fight".
You're saying it had a big effect effect on the fight and you're therefore heavily insinuating it would have been a different fight if not for AJ getting tagged in the first round.
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Na im not gonna go looking for them , thats what I said, why go looking for them, who gives a toss what fanboys think.
I do think that punch had a huge effect on the fight, how is me saying that punch changed the fight and what AJ was doing the same as me saying the fight would be different if Dubois decided not to punch AJ.
Stop talking nonsense.
Im saying that AJ's performance was most likely altered due to being caught by a huge punch bang on the chin in the 1st round. Thats certainly aint no fanboyism
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The way Joshua approached that fight, I think he would have got caught at some other point anyway if it hadn't have been the end of the first round. If anything it could have come earlier in that round and been a much shorter fight. AJ just looked awful and the approach/game plan was all wrong. I heard AJ talk at the presser before the fight how he could end it a number of different ways. Perhaps he got into his mind that he could string out the fight and systematically outbox Dubois. Probably underestimated him a lot. Aside from that, his chin doesn't particularly hold up to scrutiny.
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possibly, it could have been arrogance in AJs part also, thinking he could just feel his way into this fight.
He made loads of mistakes in that fight, I have no idea what he was thinking backing off onto those ropes in rnd 1 not expecting anything when he got dropped.
I do think AJ massively underperformed in that fight, however DDD will also take massive confidence from that fight now and will feel unstoppable.
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He often does feel his way into fights. I think he likes to show, particularly now, that he's not just some big puncher, and wants to box a bit. Some of that comes with age I expect. Maybe it was different with Ngannou because you're talking about a boxing novice and the best way to get credit from that is to KO him early.
Probably a lot of arrogance and underestimating of Dubois led to those mistakes. Maybe he believed too much in his hype after the rebuild job. We know he can learn from his mistakes though from how the rematch with Ruiz went.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
I don't need to search for anything, look yourself. And you yourself have just alluded to it by saying:
"I think people are forgetting that AJ got caught right on the chin in the first round and how much of an effect that had on the fight".
You're saying it had a big effect effect on the fight and you're therefore heavily insinuating it would have been a different fight if not for AJ getting tagged in the first round.
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Na im not gonna go looking for them , thats what I said, why go looking for them, who gives a toss what fanboys think.
I do think that punch had a huge effect on the fight, how is me saying that punch changed the fight and what AJ was doing the same as me saying the fight would be different if Dubois decided not to punch AJ.
Stop talking nonsense.
Im saying that AJ's performance was most likely altered due to being caught by a huge punch bang on the chin in the 1st round. Thats certainly aint no fanboyism
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The way Joshua approached that fight, I think he would have got caught at some other point anyway if it hadn't have been the end of the first round. If anything it could have come earlier in that round and been a much shorter fight. AJ just looked awful and the approach/game plan was all wrong. I heard AJ talk at the presser before the fight how he could end it a number of different ways. Perhaps he got into his mind that he could string out the fight and systematically outbox Dubois. Probably underestimated him a lot. Aside from that, his chin doesn't particularly hold up to scrutiny.
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possibly, it could have been arrogance in AJs part also, thinking he could just feel his way into this fight.
He made loads of mistakes in that fight, I have no idea what he was thinking backing off onto those ropes in rnd 1 not expecting anything when he got dropped.
I do think AJ massively underperformed in that fight, however DDD will also take massive confidence from that fight now and will feel unstoppable.
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He often does feel his way into fights. I think he likes to show, particularly now, that he's not just some big puncher, and wants to box a bit. Some of that comes with age I expect. Maybe it was different with Ngannou because you're talking about a boxing novice and the best way to get credit from that is to KO him early.
Probably a lot of arrogance and underestimating of Dubois led to those mistakes. Maybe he believed too much in his hype after the rebuild job. We know he can learn from his mistakes though from how the rematch with Ruiz went.
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agree
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
I don't need to search for anything, look yourself. And you yourself have just alluded to it by saying:
"I think people are forgetting that AJ got caught right on the chin in the first round and how much of an effect that had on the fight".
You're saying it had a big effect effect on the fight and you're therefore heavily insinuating it would have been a different fight if not for AJ getting tagged in the first round.
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Na im not gonna go looking for them , thats what I said, why go looking for them, who gives a toss what fanboys think.
I do think that punch had a huge effect on the fight, how is me saying that punch changed the fight and what AJ was doing the same as me saying the fight would be different if Dubois decided not to punch AJ.
Stop talking nonsense.
Im saying that AJ's performance was most likely altered due to being caught by a huge punch bang on the chin in the 1st round. Thats certainly aint no fanboyism
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The way Joshua approached that fight, I think he would have got caught at some other point anyway if it hadn't have been the end of the first round. If anything it could have come earlier in that round and been a much shorter fight. AJ just looked awful and the approach/game plan was all wrong. I heard AJ talk at the presser before the fight how he could end it a number of different ways. Perhaps he got into his mind that he could string out the fight and systematically outbox Dubois. Probably underestimated him a lot. Aside from that, his chin doesn't particularly hold up to scrutiny.
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possibly, it could have been arrogance in AJs part also, thinking he could just feel his way into this fight.
He made loads of mistakes in that fight, I have no idea what he was thinking backing off onto those ropes in rnd 1 not expecting anything when he got dropped.
I do think AJ massively underperformed in that fight, however DDD will also take massive confidence from that fight now and will feel unstoppable.
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He often does feel his way into fights. I think he likes to show, particularly now, that he's not just some big puncher, and wants to box a bit. Some of that comes with age I expect. Maybe it was different with Ngannou because you're talking about a boxing novice and the best way to get credit from that is to KO him early.
Probably a lot of arrogance and underestimating of Dubois led to those mistakes. Maybe he believed too much in his hype after the rebuild job. We know he can learn from his mistakes though from how the rematch with Ruiz went.
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in the 2nd Ruiz fight he just jabbed a bit and ran around the ring to outpoint the pie shop
Not difficult to do against a fat man
the one time in that fight he stood in front of Ruiz, he was almost flattened again
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
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Well duh of course AJ can hurt DDD if he connects. Fact is he wasn't able to apart from that last gasp kitchen sink effort in the fifth.
AJ getting tagged in the first round made no difference to the outcome of the fight.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
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Iv quoted it three times now
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
I dont think there is any more risk in a AJ v DD rematch in terms of health as just about anyone else in there with DD. Id argue that AJ being in there against him is safer than 99% of any other boxer in the world.
Get the rematch on, lets see if it was a one off.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
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Iv quoted it three times now
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No you absolutely have not. Show me the quote where I said that I don't want fighters to take damage. I asked you to do that yesterday as well and you weren't able to because I never said it.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
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Iv quoted it three times now
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No you absolutely have not. Show me the quote where I said that I don't want fighters to take damage. I asked you to do that yesterday as well and you weren't able to because I never said it.
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I have it was in the context of you saying that you didnt want the rematch to take place for fear of safety to AJ.
So I said as long as they pass medicals they know what they are signing up for. And then followed that up by saying AJ is better placed to be in there with 99% of all boxers on the planet.
You were talking nonsense and going way over the top.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
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Iv quoted it three times now
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No you absolutely have not. Show me the quote where I said that I don't want fighters to take damage. I asked you to do that yesterday as well and you weren't able to because I never said it.
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I have it was in the context of you saying that you didnt want the rematch to take place for fear of safety to AJ.
So I said as long as they pass medicals they know what they are signing up for. And then followed that up by saying AJ is better placed to be in there with 99% of all boxers on the planet.
You were talking nonsense and going way over the top.
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So I never said I don't want fighters to take damage and you can't find any quote where I said that. Thanks for clarifying. You can now stop claiming that I said something that I clearly did not.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
And my point about AJ is simply that I don't want him to get seriously hurt in a rematch. He took some serious punishment on Saturday and there's a risk that it would be even worse in a rematch.
If it was a close fight then by all means rematch but it was an utter annihilation. AJ doesn't deserve a rematch. As I pointed out earlier there's never been an instance in boxing history where the challenger gets destroyed by the World Champion and gets an immediate rematch. It just doesn't happen.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
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posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 30 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
I don't need to search for anything, look yourself. And you yourself have just alluded to it by saying:
"I think people are forgetting that AJ got caught right on the chin in the first round and how much of an effect that had on the fight".
You're saying it had a big effect effect on the fight and you're therefore heavily insinuating it would have been a different fight if not for AJ getting tagged in the first round.
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Na im not gonna go looking for them , thats what I said, why go looking for them, who gives a toss what fanboys think.
I do think that punch had a huge effect on the fight, how is me saying that punch changed the fight and what AJ was doing the same as me saying the fight would be different if Dubois decided not to punch AJ.
Stop talking nonsense.
Im saying that AJ's performance was most likely altered due to being caught by a huge punch bang on the chin in the 1st round. Thats certainly aint no fanboyism
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The way Joshua approached that fight, I think he would have got caught at some other point anyway if it hadn't have been the end of the first round. If anything it could have come earlier in that round and been a much shorter fight. AJ just looked awful and the approach/game plan was all wrong. I heard AJ talk at the presser before the fight how he could end it a number of different ways. Perhaps he got into his mind that he could string out the fight and systematically outbox Dubois. Probably underestimated him a lot. Aside from that, his chin doesn't particularly hold up to scrutiny.
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possibly, it could have been arrogance in AJs part also, thinking he could just feel his way into this fight.
He made loads of mistakes in that fight, I have no idea what he was thinking backing off onto those ropes in rnd 1 not expecting anything when he got dropped.
I do think AJ massively underperformed in that fight, however DDD will also take massive confidence from that fight now and will feel unstoppable.
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He often does feel his way into fights. I think he likes to show, particularly now, that he's not just some big puncher, and wants to box a bit. Some of that comes with age I expect. Maybe it was different with Ngannou because you're talking about a boxing novice and the best way to get credit from that is to KO him early.
Probably a lot of arrogance and underestimating of Dubois led to those mistakes. Maybe he believed too much in his hype after the rebuild job. We know he can learn from his mistakes though from how the rematch with Ruiz went.
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in the 2nd Ruiz fight he just jabbed a bit and ran around the ring to outpoint the pie shop
Not difficult to do against a fat man
the one time in that fight he stood in front of Ruiz, he was almost flattened again
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A lot of people doubted he'd be able to do it after the beating he got in the first fight. Just like the (over)reaction to how this fight went. People writing him off, saying he needs to retire, go nowhere near Dubois again etc.. Even I initially thought the same about a Dubois rematch, now I'm not sure. It's very risky for him but he could win it with the right approach I reckon.
It's simple to look at the Ruiz rematch in hindsight and say it was an easy night's work but hardly anybody thought it at the time.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
A lot of people also thought that DD would get flattened in this fight and his style was all perfect for AJ. Not many on here were saying the fight should go ahead cos it was a mismatch.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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the memes will always be there
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Not me. I predicted that Dubois would beat AJ and win by stoppage as well.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Im sure when/if the rematch happens you will abstain from watching it
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Quite possibly. At least if it's 1 each it will warrant a trilogy more than others we've seen. From memory of recent trilogies there aren't many that have been 1-1 going into the third. They've been more 1 sided than that.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Im sure when/if the rematch happens you will abstain from watching it
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Why's that then?
I'll watch it, I'm a Queensbury rules boxing fanatic. It won't change my mind that it's a terrible decision for AJ though and I'll be concerned about his wellbeing given the mauling he got in the first fight.
I don't want to see any fighter seriously or permanently hurt in a boxing match and I hope you don't either.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Im sure when/if the rematch happens you will abstain from watching it
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Why's that then?
I'll watch it, I'm a Queensbury rules boxing fanatic. It won't change my mind that it's a terrible decision for AJ though and I'll be concerned about his wellbeing given the mauling he got in the first fight.
I don't want to see any fighter seriously or permanently hurt in a boxing match and I hope you don't either.
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cos you were saying wanting so see that match again means you aint thinking about his wellbeing. and lie I said AJ is a safer option to be in there than 99% o other boxers on the planet.
You keep peddling this seriously hurt / permanently hurt point... no one does clearly, that's obvious no one has hinted at wanting that.
Aj has as much chance of any of that happening in the rematch as there was in the initial match and no one was bothered. Again as I said as long as they pass all medicals then there should be no complaints about well being.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
I don't keep peddling anything. You keep lying that I said I don't want fighters to get damaged. Something I clearly did not say and you can't show a single quote of mine to show that I did.
My point was simply that I don't want to see AJ (or any fighter for that matter) seriously hurt. That didn't fit your argument so you've tried your absolute best to bend what I've said into I don't want to see a fighter damaged.
I did not say that, I've never said that and all you can do is keep wishing that I did say that lol.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don't keep peddling anything. You keep lying that I said I don't want fighters to get damaged. Something I clearly did not say and you can't show a single quote of mine to show that I did.
My point was simply that I don't want to see AJ (or any fighter for that matter) seriously hurt. That didn't fit your argument so you've tried your absolute best to bend what I've said into I don't want to see a fighter damaged.
I did not say that, I've never said that and all you can do is keep wishing that I did say that lol.
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once again:
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nup thats the sport , its the name of the game damage the other person ... as long as they pass the medicals they need they know fine well what they are signing up for.
And we love it
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"Not for me, this is Queensbury rules boxing,........."
you literally said that damaging the other person is not for you.
Nup its for the Drs to decide, if they pass a medical and deemed fine to fight then thats good for me.
the sports is about damaging your opponent"
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
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Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Quite possibly. At least if it's 1 each it will warrant a trilogy more than others we've seen. From memory of recent trilogies there aren't many that have been 1-1 going into the third. They've been more 1 sided than that.
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Do you really see AJ beating Dubois after what we saw this weekend?
AJ used to be great to watch, however he seems to have had that fearless aggression coached or beaten out of him.
Dubois put up a good fight against Usyk, the low blow was borderline and I think he'd have finished him off had it been an inch or two higher.
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
I don't need to search for anything, look yourself. And you yourself have just alluded to it by saying:
"I think people are forgetting that AJ got caught right on the chin in the first round and how much of an effect that had on the fight".
You're saying it had a big effect effect on the fight and you're therefore heavily insinuating it would have been a different fight if not for AJ getting tagged in the first round.
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Na im not gonna go looking for them , thats what I said, why go looking for them, who gives a toss what fanboys think.
I do think that punch had a huge effect on the fight, how is me saying that punch changed the fight and what AJ was doing the same as me saying the fight would be different if Dubois decided not to punch AJ.
Stop talking nonsense.
Im saying that AJ's performance was most likely altered due to being caught by a huge punch bang on the chin in the 1st round. Thats certainly aint no fanboyism
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The way Joshua approached that fight, I think he would have got caught at some other point anyway if it hadn't have been the end of the first round. If anything it could have come earlier in that round and been a much shorter fight. AJ just looked awful and the approach/game plan was all wrong. I heard AJ talk at the presser before the fight how he could end it a number of different ways. Perhaps he got into his mind that he could string out the fight and systematically outbox Dubois. Probably underestimated him a lot. Aside from that, his chin doesn't particularly hold up to scrutiny.
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possibly, it could have been arrogance in AJs part also, thinking he could just feel his way into this fight.
He made loads of mistakes in that fight, I have no idea what he was thinking backing off onto those ropes in rnd 1 not expecting anything when he got dropped.
I do think AJ massively underperformed in that fight, however DDD will also take massive confidence from that fight now and will feel unstoppable.
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He often does feel his way into fights. I think he likes to show, particularly now, that he's not just some big puncher, and wants to box a bit. Some of that comes with age I expect. Maybe it was different with Ngannou because you're talking about a boxing novice and the best way to get credit from that is to KO him early.
Probably a lot of arrogance and underestimating of Dubois led to those mistakes. Maybe he believed too much in his hype after the rebuild job. We know he can learn from his mistakes though from how the rematch with Ruiz went.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
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posted 28 minutes ago
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posted 29 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
I don't need to search for anything, look yourself. And you yourself have just alluded to it by saying:
"I think people are forgetting that AJ got caught right on the chin in the first round and how much of an effect that had on the fight".
You're saying it had a big effect effect on the fight and you're therefore heavily insinuating it would have been a different fight if not for AJ getting tagged in the first round.
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Na im not gonna go looking for them , thats what I said, why go looking for them, who gives a toss what fanboys think.
I do think that punch had a huge effect on the fight, how is me saying that punch changed the fight and what AJ was doing the same as me saying the fight would be different if Dubois decided not to punch AJ.
Stop talking nonsense.
Im saying that AJ's performance was most likely altered due to being caught by a huge punch bang on the chin in the 1st round. Thats certainly aint no fanboyism
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The way Joshua approached that fight, I think he would have got caught at some other point anyway if it hadn't have been the end of the first round. If anything it could have come earlier in that round and been a much shorter fight. AJ just looked awful and the approach/game plan was all wrong. I heard AJ talk at the presser before the fight how he could end it a number of different ways. Perhaps he got into his mind that he could string out the fight and systematically outbox Dubois. Probably underestimated him a lot. Aside from that, his chin doesn't particularly hold up to scrutiny.
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possibly, it could have been arrogance in AJs part also, thinking he could just feel his way into this fight.
He made loads of mistakes in that fight, I have no idea what he was thinking backing off onto those ropes in rnd 1 not expecting anything when he got dropped.
I do think AJ massively underperformed in that fight, however DDD will also take massive confidence from that fight now and will feel unstoppable.
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He often does feel his way into fights. I think he likes to show, particularly now, that he's not just some big puncher, and wants to box a bit. Some of that comes with age I expect. Maybe it was different with Ngannou because you're talking about a boxing novice and the best way to get credit from that is to KO him early.
Probably a lot of arrogance and underestimating of Dubois led to those mistakes. Maybe he believed too much in his hype after the rebuild job. We know he can learn from his mistakes though from how the rematch with Ruiz went.
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agree
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
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posted 30 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
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comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
I don't need to search for anything, look yourself. And you yourself have just alluded to it by saying:
"I think people are forgetting that AJ got caught right on the chin in the first round and how much of an effect that had on the fight".
You're saying it had a big effect effect on the fight and you're therefore heavily insinuating it would have been a different fight if not for AJ getting tagged in the first round.
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Na im not gonna go looking for them , thats what I said, why go looking for them, who gives a toss what fanboys think.
I do think that punch had a huge effect on the fight, how is me saying that punch changed the fight and what AJ was doing the same as me saying the fight would be different if Dubois decided not to punch AJ.
Stop talking nonsense.
Im saying that AJ's performance was most likely altered due to being caught by a huge punch bang on the chin in the 1st round. Thats certainly aint no fanboyism
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The way Joshua approached that fight, I think he would have got caught at some other point anyway if it hadn't have been the end of the first round. If anything it could have come earlier in that round and been a much shorter fight. AJ just looked awful and the approach/game plan was all wrong. I heard AJ talk at the presser before the fight how he could end it a number of different ways. Perhaps he got into his mind that he could string out the fight and systematically outbox Dubois. Probably underestimated him a lot. Aside from that, his chin doesn't particularly hold up to scrutiny.
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possibly, it could have been arrogance in AJs part also, thinking he could just feel his way into this fight.
He made loads of mistakes in that fight, I have no idea what he was thinking backing off onto those ropes in rnd 1 not expecting anything when he got dropped.
I do think AJ massively underperformed in that fight, however DDD will also take massive confidence from that fight now and will feel unstoppable.
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He often does feel his way into fights. I think he likes to show, particularly now, that he's not just some big puncher, and wants to box a bit. Some of that comes with age I expect. Maybe it was different with Ngannou because you're talking about a boxing novice and the best way to get credit from that is to KO him early.
Probably a lot of arrogance and underestimating of Dubois led to those mistakes. Maybe he believed too much in his hype after the rebuild job. We know he can learn from his mistakes though from how the rematch with Ruiz went.
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in the 2nd Ruiz fight he just jabbed a bit and ran around the ring to outpoint the pie shop
Not difficult to do against a fat man
the one time in that fight he stood in front of Ruiz, he was almost flattened again
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
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Well duh of course AJ can hurt DDD if he connects. Fact is he wasn't able to apart from that last gasp kitchen sink effort in the fifth.
AJ getting tagged in the first round made no difference to the outcome of the fight.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
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Iv quoted it three times now
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
I dont think there is any more risk in a AJ v DD rematch in terms of health as just about anyone else in there with DD. Id argue that AJ being in there against him is safer than 99% of any other boxer in the world.
Get the rematch on, lets see if it was a one off.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
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posted 31 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
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Iv quoted it three times now
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No you absolutely have not. Show me the quote where I said that I don't want fighters to take damage. I asked you to do that yesterday as well and you weren't able to because I never said it.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 15 minutes ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
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posted 31 minutes ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
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Iv quoted it three times now
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No you absolutely have not. Show me the quote where I said that I don't want fighters to take damage. I asked you to do that yesterday as well and you weren't able to because I never said it.
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I have it was in the context of you saying that you didnt want the rematch to take place for fear of safety to AJ.
So I said as long as they pass medicals they know what they are signing up for. And then followed that up by saying AJ is better placed to be in there with 99% of all boxers on the planet.
You were talking nonsense and going way over the top.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 15 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
So you think that punch "had a huge effect on the fight" but you also don't think that it had any effect on the outcome of the fight ??
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eh? your interpretation of comments is mental.
I think you should go back looking out fanboy comments and laughing at them.
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I haven't said anything remotely unreasonable.
So you're agreeing with me that the outcome of the fight would have been the same whether or not AJ got tagged in that first round. Well done, you got there in the end.
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no AJ showed that he can also hurt DDD, both fighters were and are capable of landing a punch like that in the first round that could completely change a fighters performance.
In a rematch you would favour DDD, but I wouldnt think its a foregone conclusion like many seem to think.
but you dont want that, you dont wanna see fighters take damage, despite two days ago hoping this one would be a war. zero hypocrisy in the slightest.
Get the rematch I say, Id love to see them both go at it again.
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I never said that I don't want fighters to take damage and unless you can show me the exact quote where I allegedly did then you better stop repeating your lies. Boxing is a brutal sport, of course fighters take damage. Stop purposely misquoting me to suit your weak as plss arguments.
I said I don't want any fighter getting seriously hurt which is something else entirely. An opinion I would hope everyone including yourself shares.
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Iv quoted it three times now
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No you absolutely have not. Show me the quote where I said that I don't want fighters to take damage. I asked you to do that yesterday as well and you weren't able to because I never said it.
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I have it was in the context of you saying that you didnt want the rematch to take place for fear of safety to AJ.
So I said as long as they pass medicals they know what they are signing up for. And then followed that up by saying AJ is better placed to be in there with 99% of all boxers on the planet.
You were talking nonsense and going way over the top.
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So I never said I don't want fighters to take damage and you can't find any quote where I said that. Thanks for clarifying. You can now stop claiming that I said something that I clearly did not.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
And my point about AJ is simply that I don't want him to get seriously hurt in a rematch. He took some serious punishment on Saturday and there's a risk that it would be even worse in a rematch.
If it was a close fight then by all means rematch but it was an utter annihilation. AJ doesn't deserve a rematch. As I pointed out earlier there's never been an instance in boxing history where the challenger gets destroyed by the World Champion and gets an immediate rematch. It just doesn't happen.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
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posted 29 seconds ago
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comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 24 minutes ago
I don't need to search for anything, look yourself. And you yourself have just alluded to it by saying:
"I think people are forgetting that AJ got caught right on the chin in the first round and how much of an effect that had on the fight".
You're saying it had a big effect effect on the fight and you're therefore heavily insinuating it would have been a different fight if not for AJ getting tagged in the first round.
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Na im not gonna go looking for them , thats what I said, why go looking for them, who gives a toss what fanboys think.
I do think that punch had a huge effect on the fight, how is me saying that punch changed the fight and what AJ was doing the same as me saying the fight would be different if Dubois decided not to punch AJ.
Stop talking nonsense.
Im saying that AJ's performance was most likely altered due to being caught by a huge punch bang on the chin in the 1st round. Thats certainly aint no fanboyism
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The way Joshua approached that fight, I think he would have got caught at some other point anyway if it hadn't have been the end of the first round. If anything it could have come earlier in that round and been a much shorter fight. AJ just looked awful and the approach/game plan was all wrong. I heard AJ talk at the presser before the fight how he could end it a number of different ways. Perhaps he got into his mind that he could string out the fight and systematically outbox Dubois. Probably underestimated him a lot. Aside from that, his chin doesn't particularly hold up to scrutiny.
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possibly, it could have been arrogance in AJs part also, thinking he could just feel his way into this fight.
He made loads of mistakes in that fight, I have no idea what he was thinking backing off onto those ropes in rnd 1 not expecting anything when he got dropped.
I do think AJ massively underperformed in that fight, however DDD will also take massive confidence from that fight now and will feel unstoppable.
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He often does feel his way into fights. I think he likes to show, particularly now, that he's not just some big puncher, and wants to box a bit. Some of that comes with age I expect. Maybe it was different with Ngannou because you're talking about a boxing novice and the best way to get credit from that is to KO him early.
Probably a lot of arrogance and underestimating of Dubois led to those mistakes. Maybe he believed too much in his hype after the rebuild job. We know he can learn from his mistakes though from how the rematch with Ruiz went.
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in the 2nd Ruiz fight he just jabbed a bit and ran around the ring to outpoint the pie shop
Not difficult to do against a fat man
the one time in that fight he stood in front of Ruiz, he was almost flattened again
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A lot of people doubted he'd be able to do it after the beating he got in the first fight. Just like the (over)reaction to how this fight went. People writing him off, saying he needs to retire, go nowhere near Dubois again etc.. Even I initially thought the same about a Dubois rematch, now I'm not sure. It's very risky for him but he could win it with the right approach I reckon.
It's simple to look at the Ruiz rematch in hindsight and say it was an easy night's work but hardly anybody thought it at the time.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
A lot of people also thought that DD would get flattened in this fight and his style was all perfect for AJ. Not many on here were saying the fight should go ahead cos it was a mismatch.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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the memes will always be there
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
Not me. I predicted that Dubois would beat AJ and win by stoppage as well.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Im sure when/if the rematch happens you will abstain from watching it
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Quite possibly. At least if it's 1 each it will warrant a trilogy more than others we've seen. From memory of recent trilogies there aren't many that have been 1-1 going into the third. They've been more 1 sided than that.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Im sure when/if the rematch happens you will abstain from watching it
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Why's that then?
I'll watch it, I'm a Queensbury rules boxing fanatic. It won't change my mind that it's a terrible decision for AJ though and I'll be concerned about his wellbeing given the mauling he got in the first fight.
I don't want to see any fighter seriously or permanently hurt in a boxing match and I hope you don't either.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Im sure when/if the rematch happens you will abstain from watching it
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Why's that then?
I'll watch it, I'm a Queensbury rules boxing fanatic. It won't change my mind that it's a terrible decision for AJ though and I'll be concerned about his wellbeing given the mauling he got in the first fight.
I don't want to see any fighter seriously or permanently hurt in a boxing match and I hope you don't either.
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cos you were saying wanting so see that match again means you aint thinking about his wellbeing. and lie I said AJ is a safer option to be in there than 99% o other boxers on the planet.
You keep peddling this seriously hurt / permanently hurt point... no one does clearly, that's obvious no one has hinted at wanting that.
Aj has as much chance of any of that happening in the rematch as there was in the initial match and no one was bothered. Again as I said as long as they pass all medicals then there should be no complaints about well being.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
I don't keep peddling anything. You keep lying that I said I don't want fighters to get damaged. Something I clearly did not say and you can't show a single quote of mine to show that I did.
My point was simply that I don't want to see AJ (or any fighter for that matter) seriously hurt. That didn't fit your argument so you've tried your absolute best to bend what I've said into I don't want to see a fighter damaged.
I did not say that, I've never said that and all you can do is keep wishing that I did say that lol.
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
I don't keep peddling anything. You keep lying that I said I don't want fighters to get damaged. Something I clearly did not say and you can't show a single quote of mine to show that I did.
My point was simply that I don't want to see AJ (or any fighter for that matter) seriously hurt. That didn't fit your argument so you've tried your absolute best to bend what I've said into I don't want to see a fighter damaged.
I did not say that, I've never said that and all you can do is keep wishing that I did say that lol.
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once again:
"comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 1 day ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 6 minutes ago
nup thats the sport , its the name of the game damage the other person ... as long as they pass the medicals they need they know fine well what they are signing up for.
And we love it
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"Not for me, this is Queensbury rules boxing,........."
you literally said that damaging the other person is not for you.
Nup its for the Drs to decide, if they pass a medical and deemed fine to fight then thats good for me.
the sports is about damaging your opponent"
posted 3 weeks, 3 days ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 9 minutes ago
Even if AJ was to rematch Dubois and win, this loss will have lessened his legacy. That's 2 losses he got absolutely battered now, this one even more devastating as he ended it in front of a world record crowd trying to do a handstand on the canvas.
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Even if AJ were to somehow win a rematch they'd have to then fight a third fight as Dubois as Champion would undoubtedly have a rematch clause put in.
Unless my name is Oleksandr Usyk there's no way I want to fight this version of DDD three times lol.
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Quite possibly. At least if it's 1 each it will warrant a trilogy more than others we've seen. From memory of recent trilogies there aren't many that have been 1-1 going into the third. They've been more 1 sided than that.
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Do you really see AJ beating Dubois after what we saw this weekend?
AJ used to be great to watch, however he seems to have had that fearless aggression coached or beaten out of him.
Dubois put up a good fight against Usyk, the low blow was borderline and I think he'd have finished him off had it been an inch or two higher.
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