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That we need permission to press.
The UK is nothing more than a tactical outpost which is used to store weapons that can't be fired without permission from Trump.
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This is a very common myth, but is exactly that: a myth.
In response to the Defence Select Committee’s report in June 2006 on “The Future of the UK’s Strategic Nuclear Deterrent” the MOD stated:
In terms of the current system, as we have made clear on many occasions, the UK Trident system is fully operationally independent of the US or any other state. Decision-making and use of the system remains entirely sovereign to the UK. Only the Prime Minister can authorise the use of the UK’s nuclear deterrent, even if the missiles are to be fired as part of a NATO response. The instruction to fire would be transmitted to the submarine using entirely UK codes and UK equipment. All the command and control procedures are totally independent. The Vanguard-class submarines can readily operate without the Global Positioning by Satellite (GPS) system and the Trident D5 missile does not use GPS at all: it has an inertial guidance system. We would require no lesser degree of operational independence for any successor system should the Government decide to replace Trident.
The International Institute for Strategic Studies characterised the degree of UK dependence on the US as follows:
Britain has […] accepted dependence on US supply for key elements of its capability, although ownership of them rests with the United Kingdom. The United States would be able, if it went back on its commitments, to pose over a period of years increasingly severe difficulty for the maintenance of Britain’s capability. Operational decisions on the use of the capability remain entirely with the United Kingdom government; neither the United States nor NATO – to which the force is formally declared – has either legal or physical power to override such decisions.
Russia is overrated. Their economy isn't great, they have a load of people living disparate lives across a vast space with many below the poverty line.
They have some nukes though so oooooh
Russia would annihilate us, apologies to them and move on.
why apologise... they wont do anything to us either
Personal view is that (as we have been seeing to an extent) opposition to Russia (active measures etc) *has* to be multilaterally.
Increased sanctions for example, and joint cooperation NATO/EU/UN etc. Which is easier said than done. Especially when the ‘leader of the free world’ appears to be in the pocket of the GRU.
Don't worry, I'm sure that Jeremy will sort out any problems we might have with Vlad !
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Personally I think it's mainly posturing based on a bruised ego.
Do the politicians in the UK really care that an ex-Russian spy was poisoned? I very much doubt it. Do they care enough to do anything radical? Absolutely not.
But they do have to be seen to do something because it's a political assassination attempt on UK soil, it's embarrassing that it could happen with such apparent ease. So we expel some diplomats (/spy's) and we condemn in the press. Then we get as many counties as possible to agree with us because it makes our citizens feel like we're doing something.
Ultimately this will fizzle out eventually. Would probably have fizzled out already if the Russian state media weren't quite so brazen in flaunting it. It's basically been their equivalent of that OJ Simpson book '(if) I did it'
It's all rhetoric, we'd be idiots to go to war with Russia because we're both nuclear powers. Their army, navy and air force are not as frightful as you would expect but it doesn't need to be when you have as many nukes as they do.
Sanctions are genuinely punishing the Russian economy but anything above that is bluster, we're massively dependent on Russia for our energy and that's not lost on any chancer using this gamesmanship to boost themselves.
Also, we don't have a leg to stand on criticising their foreign interventions either, so that's all bluster too.
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comment by The Duality of Can (U21747)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's all rhetoric, we'd be idiots to go to war with Russia because we're both nuclear powers. Their army, navy and air force are not as frightful as you would expect but it doesn't need to be when you have as many nukes as they do.
Sanctions are genuinely punishing the Russian economy but anything above that is bluster, we're massively dependent on Russia for our energy and that's not lost on any chancer using this gamesmanship to boost themselves.
Also, we don't have a leg to stand on criticising their foreign interventions either, so that's all bluster too.
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making it sound like theyd just happily nuke us without concern, no chance, a nuke effects every country around us even them possibly..
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comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 5 minutes ago
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making it sound like theyd just happily nuke us without concern, no chance, a nuke effects every country around us even them possibly..
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No, I didn't mean to make it sound like it was a possibility, my point was that war of any form with Russia is pretty much the exact opposite of that
comment by The Mane Man ( life at this age is rubbish with no money #needajob) (U19731)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Russia has a stronger economy than in the Yeltsin years when every criminal could steal and buy companies like Gazprom for cheap and sell for huge profits because Yeltsin was too drunk to do something about it.
Putin is not a bad guy like Bush and Blair who have invaded a country on lies and killed a half million people.
The Russians have more free trade agreements with Brazil, China, India and South Africa.
The days are long gone of the great British empire were they could bully other countries and steal their resources.
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and also people like obama, clinton, Cameron who have invaded countries like syria and libya on behalf of the deep state
Trump has found out about JA606. Who linked him on Twitter?
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For me, as a someone whose family is from a place that has sanctions now and again, sanctions don't work and in fact have a negative effect
It's like the whole brexit thing. If it does fack up the country likes of Boris and Rees mogg will not feel the pinch. What will happen is that people on the ground will look for someone to blame. In UK.its usually immigrants
On world scale it's usually the USA and Britain and you get your 9/11s at an extreme.
Generally though you just get a hatred for the "west" and the likes of Putin are hero worshipped for standing up to the west thus cementing their power status
Conspiracy theorist may say that's what the plan is
Looking at Saddam and gaddaffi it certainly was
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May gave Putin an "ultimatum" months ago right after the nerve agent attack in Salisbury. The only surprise was that we couldn't hear the howels of laughter coming from the Kremlin.
They'll just double the price of our gas
Much like the Saudi's did with oil in the 70's
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posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
That we need permission to press.
The UK is nothing more than a tactical outpost which is used to store weapons that can't be fired without permission from Trump.
---
This is a very common myth, but is exactly that: a myth.
In response to the Defence Select Committee’s report in June 2006 on “The Future of the UK’s Strategic Nuclear Deterrent” the MOD stated:
In terms of the current system, as we have made clear on many occasions, the UK Trident system is fully operationally independent of the US or any other state. Decision-making and use of the system remains entirely sovereign to the UK. Only the Prime Minister can authorise the use of the UK’s nuclear deterrent, even if the missiles are to be fired as part of a NATO response. The instruction to fire would be transmitted to the submarine using entirely UK codes and UK equipment. All the command and control procedures are totally independent. The Vanguard-class submarines can readily operate without the Global Positioning by Satellite (GPS) system and the Trident D5 missile does not use GPS at all: it has an inertial guidance system. We would require no lesser degree of operational independence for any successor system should the Government decide to replace Trident.
The International Institute for Strategic Studies characterised the degree of UK dependence on the US as follows:
Britain has […] accepted dependence on US supply for key elements of its capability, although ownership of them rests with the United Kingdom. The United States would be able, if it went back on its commitments, to pose over a period of years increasingly severe difficulty for the maintenance of Britain’s capability. Operational decisions on the use of the capability remain entirely with the United Kingdom government; neither the United States nor NATO – to which the force is formally declared – has either legal or physical power to override such decisions.
posted on 19/9/18
Russia is overrated. Their economy isn't great, they have a load of people living disparate lives across a vast space with many below the poverty line.
They have some nukes though so oooooh
posted on 19/9/18
Russia would annihilate us, apologies to them and move on.
posted on 19/9/18
How would they do that
posted on 19/9/18
why apologise... they wont do anything to us either
posted on 19/9/18
Personal view is that (as we have been seeing to an extent) opposition to Russia (active measures etc) *has* to be multilaterally.
Increased sanctions for example, and joint cooperation NATO/EU/UN etc. Which is easier said than done. Especially when the ‘leader of the free world’ appears to be in the pocket of the GRU.
posted on 19/9/18
Don't worry, I'm sure that Jeremy will sort out any problems we might have with Vlad !
posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
Personally I think it's mainly posturing based on a bruised ego.
Do the politicians in the UK really care that an ex-Russian spy was poisoned? I very much doubt it. Do they care enough to do anything radical? Absolutely not.
But they do have to be seen to do something because it's a political assassination attempt on UK soil, it's embarrassing that it could happen with such apparent ease. So we expel some diplomats (/spy's) and we condemn in the press. Then we get as many counties as possible to agree with us because it makes our citizens feel like we're doing something.
Ultimately this will fizzle out eventually. Would probably have fizzled out already if the Russian state media weren't quite so brazen in flaunting it. It's basically been their equivalent of that OJ Simpson book '(if) I did it'
posted on 19/9/18
It's all rhetoric, we'd be idiots to go to war with Russia because we're both nuclear powers. Their army, navy and air force are not as frightful as you would expect but it doesn't need to be when you have as many nukes as they do.
Sanctions are genuinely punishing the Russian economy but anything above that is bluster, we're massively dependent on Russia for our energy and that's not lost on any chancer using this gamesmanship to boost themselves.
Also, we don't have a leg to stand on criticising their foreign interventions either, so that's all bluster too.
posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
comment by The Duality of Can (U21747)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's all rhetoric, we'd be idiots to go to war with Russia because we're both nuclear powers. Their army, navy and air force are not as frightful as you would expect but it doesn't need to be when you have as many nukes as they do.
Sanctions are genuinely punishing the Russian economy but anything above that is bluster, we're massively dependent on Russia for our energy and that's not lost on any chancer using this gamesmanship to boost themselves.
Also, we don't have a leg to stand on criticising their foreign interventions either, so that's all bluster too.
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making it sound like theyd just happily nuke us without concern, no chance, a nuke effects every country around us even them possibly..
posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 5 minutes ago
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making it sound like theyd just happily nuke us without concern, no chance, a nuke effects every country around us even them possibly..
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No, I didn't mean to make it sound like it was a possibility, my point was that war of any form with Russia is pretty much the exact opposite of that
posted on 19/9/18
comment by The Mane Man ( life at this age is rubbish with no money #needajob) (U19731)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
Russia has a stronger economy than in the Yeltsin years when every criminal could steal and buy companies like Gazprom for cheap and sell for huge profits because Yeltsin was too drunk to do something about it.
Putin is not a bad guy like Bush and Blair who have invaded a country on lies and killed a half million people.
The Russians have more free trade agreements with Brazil, China, India and South Africa.
The days are long gone of the great British empire were they could bully other countries and steal their resources.
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and also people like obama, clinton, Cameron who have invaded countries like syria and libya on behalf of the deep state
posted on 19/9/18
Trump has found out about JA606. Who linked him on Twitter?
posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
For me, as a someone whose family is from a place that has sanctions now and again, sanctions don't work and in fact have a negative effect
It's like the whole brexit thing. If it does fack up the country likes of Boris and Rees mogg will not feel the pinch. What will happen is that people on the ground will look for someone to blame. In UK.its usually immigrants
On world scale it's usually the USA and Britain and you get your 9/11s at an extreme.
Generally though you just get a hatred for the "west" and the likes of Putin are hero worshipped for standing up to the west thus cementing their power status
Conspiracy theorist may say that's what the plan is
Looking at Saddam and gaddaffi it certainly was
posted on 19/9/18
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posted on 19/9/18
May gave Putin an "ultimatum" months ago right after the nerve agent attack in Salisbury. The only surprise was that we couldn't hear the howels of laughter coming from the Kremlin.
posted on 19/9/18
They'll just double the price of our gas
Much like the Saudi's did with oil in the 70's
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