comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 19 minutes ago
Great post Jalisco. Its silly to think that even the biggest Jose fans didn't recognise his past blowouts.
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If was recognizing them that led us to believe it was a bad appointment.
Glad you understand this now. It has only taken two days.
Well done in the end though, dude.
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Iv never denied his faults. I just think his ability to win trophies for us outweighed his potential 3rd season break down.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
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He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
For most utd fans It didn't outweigh his boring football
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 31 minutes ago
Remember we'd already passed on one opportunity to bring Mourinho to the club,
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yes and 1 (SBC) of the 2 (SBC & SAF) footballing directors at the club said that he wouldn't want Jose anywhere near our club at that time.
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It's a shame that they only act in an advisory capacity, that they have zero executive influence, and that the rest of the board don't appear to be very interested in what they have to say.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 24 seconds ago
For most utd fans It didn't outweigh his boring football
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No, but we have already established that that would have been forgiven (by more than care to admit it) had he won the title or champs league, which Ed believed he could.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 31 minutes ago
Remember we'd already passed on one opportunity to bring Mourinho to the club,
+++
yes and 1 (SBC) of the 2 (SBC & SAF) footballing directors at the club said that he wouldn't want Jose anywhere near our club at that time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a shame that they only act in an advisory capacity, that they have zero executive influence, and that the rest of the board don't appear to be very interested in what they have to say.
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What would you like them to influence ?
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
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He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
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A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 24 seconds ago
For most utd fans It didn't outweigh his boring football
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No, but we have already established that that would have been forgiven (by more than care to admit it) had he won the title or champs league, which Ed believed he could.
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That's why ed should never again be involved in anymore football decisions at the club when you consider what happened with lvg and how his style if football was recieved by the fans
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
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He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
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A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
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Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 24 seconds ago
For most utd fans It didn't outweigh his boring football
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No, but we have already established that that would have been forgiven (by more than care to admit it) had he won the title or champs league, which Ed believed he could.
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That's why ed should never again be involved in anymore football decisions at the club when you consider what happened with lvg and how his style if football was recieved by the fans
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Jose was a success in his first 2 seasons and Ole has been an inspired appointment. So that's 2 good appointments and 2 bad, 1 of which was heavily influenced by SAF.
Jose's remit according to his advocates on this forum was the league and the.cl so he was a failure
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jose's remit according to his advocates on this forum was the league and the.cl so he was a failure
Oh come on, whilst he was probably our best bet (of the candidates available at the time)at winning a title or champs league, realistically it was unlikely given the strength of City, Spurs, Liverpool. Real, Juve and PSG.
Oh come on my bolx
The narrative from the Jose clowns on this forum was that the payoff for his style of football was either the pl or the cl or both
He failed
He's gone
Good riddance
Dibble.
You summarised my position wrongly earlier. My words didn't need an explanation or condensing, they already said what I thought accurately.
Jose was a success you say in the first two seasons. It depends what you mean by success, he certainly did not succeed in my eyes, or many other fans eyes. He did win two trophies, but he spent a lot, not all of it well, and he played a style of football that would eventually have lead to a lot of empty seats.
Success is not always measured by trophies, there are other more ephemeral, but more important to some, measurements.
As I said, pleasure and excitement.
I have a French son in law who watches football (ligue 1) he said after watching United a few times
"When people go to watch Manchester United they go to see a spectacle" spectacle is used instead of show here. He was right, and we weren't getting it, and neither are you apparently.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh come on my bolx
The narrative from the Jose clowns on this forum was that the payoff for his style of football was either the pl or the cl or both
He failed
He's gone
Good riddance
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Yes, but that doesn't make Ed an idiot for seeing if No6se could deliver one of those titles.
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
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He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
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A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
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Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
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The end result was why Ed got it wrong. Which is the point of your OP. Jose didn't even fulfil your own criteria for success. He did fulfil his meltdown which is why Ed got it wrong.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
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He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
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A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
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The end result was why Ed got it wrong. Which is the point of your OP. Jose didn't even fulfil your own criteria for success. He did fulfil his meltdown which is why Ed got it wrong.
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Ed always gets it wrong.
Needs to go. A glazer yes man is not what we need.
52 you said you were happy with the trophies wins despite the style of football and would have been even happier had we won a league title or champs league.
This is clearly the position Ed took when deciding to appoint Jose.
Indeed Baz.
Ed should not be making football decisions.
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh come on my bolx
The narrative from the Jose clowns on this forum was that the payoff for his style of football was either the pl or the cl or both
He failed
He's gone
Good riddance
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Yes, but that doesn't make Ed an idiot for seeing if No6se could deliver one of those titles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His idiocy is ignoring the obvious warning signs with Jose
His idiocy is ignoring or indeed not knowing what utd fans want or shamefully not knowing what the club is all about
His idiocy is making an appointment like Jose after seeing first hand how lvgs football was received
Also his football idiocy isn't just confined to the Jose appointment
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
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He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The end result was why Ed got it wrong. Which is the point of your OP. Jose didn't even fulfil your own criteria for success. He did fulfil his meltdown which is why Ed got it wrong.
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Ed didn’t KNOW Jose would breakdown. He did however know he’d win us trophies.
If you genuinely think Ed got it wrong then what could he have done instead to have got it right .
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The end result was why Ed got it wrong. Which is the point of your OP. Jose didn't even fulfil your own criteria for success. He did fulfil his meltdown which is why Ed got it wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed always gets it wrong.
Needs to go. A glazer yes man is not what we need.
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Was he wrong to appoint Ole?
Would he have been right if he’d appointed Allegri instead of Jose and he gone on to win a UEFA cup, league cup and a 2nd place finish to a great City side?
Ed didn’t KNOW Jose would breakdown.
....
I did which is why I wouldn't have hired him. That and his unwatchable brand of anti football.
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh come on my bolx
The narrative from the Jose clowns on this forum was that the payoff for his style of football was either the pl or the cl or both
He failed
He's gone
Good riddance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but that doesn't make Ed an idiot for seeing if No6se could deliver one of those titles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His idiocy is ignoring the obvious warning signs with Jose
His idiocy is ignoring or indeed not knowing what utd fans want or shamefully not knowing what the club is all about
His idiocy is making an appointment like Jose after seeing first hand how lvgs football was received
Also his football idiocy isn't just confined to the Jose appointment
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s no good saying he shouldn’t have appointed Jose without offering a realistic alternative candidate that would have been more successful than Jose was with us.
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posted on 2/2/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 19 minutes ago
Great post Jalisco. Its silly to think that even the biggest Jose fans didn't recognise his past blowouts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If was recognizing them that led us to believe it was a bad appointment.
Glad you understand this now. It has only taken two days.
Well done in the end though, dude.
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Iv never denied his faults. I just think his ability to win trophies for us outweighed his potential 3rd season break down.
posted on 2/2/19
It didn't though did it.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
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He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
posted on 2/2/19
For most utd fans It didn't outweigh his boring football
posted on 2/2/19
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 31 minutes ago
Remember we'd already passed on one opportunity to bring Mourinho to the club,
+++
yes and 1 (SBC) of the 2 (SBC & SAF) footballing directors at the club said that he wouldn't want Jose anywhere near our club at that time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a shame that they only act in an advisory capacity, that they have zero executive influence, and that the rest of the board don't appear to be very interested in what they have to say.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 24 seconds ago
For most utd fans It didn't outweigh his boring football
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, but we have already established that that would have been forgiven (by more than care to admit it) had he won the title or champs league, which Ed believed he could.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by I'll be The Judge of that! (U21434)
posted 31 minutes ago
Remember we'd already passed on one opportunity to bring Mourinho to the club,
+++
yes and 1 (SBC) of the 2 (SBC & SAF) footballing directors at the club said that he wouldn't want Jose anywhere near our club at that time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a shame that they only act in an advisory capacity, that they have zero executive influence, and that the rest of the board don't appear to be very interested in what they have to say.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What would you like them to influence ?
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 24 seconds ago
For most utd fans It didn't outweigh his boring football
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No, but we have already established that that would have been forgiven (by more than care to admit it) had he won the title or champs league, which Ed believed he could.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's why ed should never again be involved in anymore football decisions at the club when you consider what happened with lvg and how his style if football was recieved by the fans
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 24 seconds ago
For most utd fans It didn't outweigh his boring football
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, but we have already established that that would have been forgiven (by more than care to admit it) had he won the title or champs league, which Ed believed he could.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's why ed should never again be involved in anymore football decisions at the club when you consider what happened with lvg and how his style if football was recieved by the fans
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Jose was a success in his first 2 seasons and Ole has been an inspired appointment. So that's 2 good appointments and 2 bad, 1 of which was heavily influenced by SAF.
posted on 2/2/19
Jose's remit according to his advocates on this forum was the league and the.cl so he was a failure
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jose's remit according to his advocates on this forum was the league and the.cl so he was a failure
Oh come on, whilst he was probably our best bet (of the candidates available at the time)at winning a title or champs league, realistically it was unlikely given the strength of City, Spurs, Liverpool. Real, Juve and PSG.
posted on 2/2/19
Oh come on my bolx
The narrative from the Jose clowns on this forum was that the payoff for his style of football was either the pl or the cl or both
He failed
He's gone
Good riddance
posted on 2/2/19
Dibble.
You summarised my position wrongly earlier. My words didn't need an explanation or condensing, they already said what I thought accurately.
Jose was a success you say in the first two seasons. It depends what you mean by success, he certainly did not succeed in my eyes, or many other fans eyes. He did win two trophies, but he spent a lot, not all of it well, and he played a style of football that would eventually have lead to a lot of empty seats.
Success is not always measured by trophies, there are other more ephemeral, but more important to some, measurements.
As I said, pleasure and excitement.
I have a French son in law who watches football (ligue 1) he said after watching United a few times
"When people go to watch Manchester United they go to see a spectacle" spectacle is used instead of show here. He was right, and we weren't getting it, and neither are you apparently.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh come on my bolx
The narrative from the Jose clowns on this forum was that the payoff for his style of football was either the pl or the cl or both
He failed
He's gone
Good riddance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but that doesn't make Ed an idiot for seeing if No6se could deliver one of those titles.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The end result was why Ed got it wrong. Which is the point of your OP. Jose didn't even fulfil your own criteria for success. He did fulfil his meltdown which is why Ed got it wrong.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The end result was why Ed got it wrong. Which is the point of your OP. Jose didn't even fulfil your own criteria for success. He did fulfil his meltdown which is why Ed got it wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed always gets it wrong.
Needs to go. A glazer yes man is not what we need.
posted on 2/2/19
52 you said you were happy with the trophies wins despite the style of football and would have been even happier had we won a league title or champs league.
This is clearly the position Ed took when deciding to appoint Jose.
posted on 2/2/19
Indeed Baz.
Ed should not be making football decisions.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh come on my bolx
The narrative from the Jose clowns on this forum was that the payoff for his style of football was either the pl or the cl or both
He failed
He's gone
Good riddance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but that doesn't make Ed an idiot for seeing if No6se could deliver one of those titles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His idiocy is ignoring the obvious warning signs with Jose
His idiocy is ignoring or indeed not knowing what utd fans want or shamefully not knowing what the club is all about
His idiocy is making an appointment like Jose after seeing first hand how lvgs football was received
Also his football idiocy isn't just confined to the Jose appointment
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The end result was why Ed got it wrong. Which is the point of your OP. Jose didn't even fulfil your own criteria for success. He did fulfil his meltdown which is why Ed got it wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed didn’t KNOW Jose would breakdown. He did however know he’d win us trophies.
If you genuinely think Ed got it wrong then what could he have done instead to have got it right .
posted on 2/2/19
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
It didn't though did it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He won trophies for us before his meltdown.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A league cup and a Europey. He got nowhere near the leage or the CL, so it didn't outweigh the meltdown.
Had he have stayed in charge we would have not had a chance of getting CL football next year.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did for Ed as he employed the guy and then backed him to 2 trophy wins, 2nd place finish and an FA Cup final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The end result was why Ed got it wrong. Which is the point of your OP. Jose didn't even fulfil your own criteria for success. He did fulfil his meltdown which is why Ed got it wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed always gets it wrong.
Needs to go. A glazer yes man is not what we need.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was he wrong to appoint Ole?
Would he have been right if he’d appointed Allegri instead of Jose and he gone on to win a UEFA cup, league cup and a 2nd place finish to a great City side?
posted on 2/2/19
Ed didn’t KNOW Jose would breakdown.
....
I did which is why I wouldn't have hired him. That and his unwatchable brand of anti football.
posted on 2/2/19
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh come on my bolx
The narrative from the Jose clowns on this forum was that the payoff for his style of football was either the pl or the cl or both
He failed
He's gone
Good riddance
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but that doesn't make Ed an idiot for seeing if No6se could deliver one of those titles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His idiocy is ignoring the obvious warning signs with Jose
His idiocy is ignoring or indeed not knowing what utd fans want or shamefully not knowing what the club is all about
His idiocy is making an appointment like Jose after seeing first hand how lvgs football was received
Also his football idiocy isn't just confined to the Jose appointment
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s no good saying he shouldn’t have appointed Jose without offering a realistic alternative candidate that would have been more successful than Jose was with us.
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