My point is that you said almost all managers are sacked at some time even if successful.
Here are some ,very, successful managers not sacked.
Unlike Jose who has been sacked umpteen times, however many that is.

Coffee now, TV, Sunday tomorrow, meal out.
Life is good, and all the sweeter with Ole.
A bientot a tous.

His point is it is a list of some of our greatest managers.

The clue was in the words.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
His point is it is a list of some of our greatest managers.

The clue was in the words.
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I could understand if I’d said all manager said were sacked. I didn’t.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 7 minutes ago
Coffee now, TV, Sunday tomorrow, meal out.
Life is good, and all the sweeter with Ole.
A bientot a tous.
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Ta ta

Rdd valuable lesson. You are a bit rotweiller like trying to win your points. As most sensible people will say, rotweillers are stupid, idiotic things. What you need to realise is that sometimes people don’t agree on things, and no amount of reiterating will help.

This is why you get banned. You argue over the sane things in an infinite liop, just sit back, let others see it their way, and not get banned

Let it go, don’t be a stupid rotweiller, be a cat, adaptable and cool.

RDD, your main failing here is to make the same assumption Ed made. That is, that Mourinho was the best possible appointment, basing the likelihood of his winning big trophies on little more than the fact that he'd won them before and neglecting all other evidence and considerations.

Compare this approach to Barcelona's.

They have based each of their managerial appointments in recent years on the approach and style that the club wants to implement and which suits their players.

They've been through 6 managers in the past 15 years, but each of them was chosen after analysing them against the model they wished to implement.

As well as often treating the fans to outstanding football displays, this time has reaped:

4 Champions Leagues, 9 league titles, 3 World Club Cups, 6 Copa del Rey, and a smattering of minor titles.

Incidentally, it's a well known fact that they turned Mourinho down having after inviting him to present them with a managerial project. They were not convinced, and rightly so.

comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Rdd valuable lesson. You are a bit rotweiller like trying to win your points. As most sensible people will say, rotweillers are stupid, idiotic things. What you need to realise is that sometimes people don’t agree on things, and no amount of reiterating will help.

This is why you get banned. You argue over the sane things in an infinite liop, just sit back, let others see it their way, and not get banned

Let it go, don’t be a stupid rotweiller, be a cat, adaptable and cool.
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Why would anyone be banned for debating football? It’s been civil, on my part at least.

Sorry, I should have mentioned that none of Frank Rijkaard, Pep Guardiola, Tito Vilanova, Gerardo Martino, Luis Enrique or Ernesto Valverde had had the slightest taste of top level managerial success in Europe, let alone Spain.

Barça just knew what they were looking for.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
RDD, your main failing here is to make the same assumption Ed made. That is, that Mourinho was the best possible appointment, basing the likelihood of his winning big trophies on little more than the fact that he'd won them before and neglecting all other evidence and considerations.

Compare this approach to Barcelona's.

They have based each of their managerial appointments in recent years on the approach and style that the club wants to implement and which suits their players.

They've been through 6 managers in the past 15 years, but each of them was chosen after analysing them against the model they wished to implement.

As well as often treating the fans to outstanding football displays, this time has reaped:

4 Champions Leagues, 9 league titles, 3 World Club Cups, 6 Copa del Rey, and a smattering of minor titles.

Incidentally, it's a well known fact that they turned Mourinho down having after inviting him to present them with a managerial project. They were not convinced, and rightly so.
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What other evidence would that be?

And if you don’t think he was the best possible appointment then who was and why?

Re Barca, it’s amazing the difference having that best player ever can make.

comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Rdd valuable lesson. You are a bit rotweiller like trying to win your points. As most sensible people will say, rotweillers are stupid, idiotic things. What you need to realise is that sometimes people don’t agree on things, and no amount of reiterating will help.

This is why you get banned. You argue over the sane things in an infinite liop, just sit back, let others see it their way, and not get banned

Let it go, don’t be a stupid rotweiller, be a cat, adaptable and cool.
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Why would anyone be banned for debating football? It’s been civil, on my part at least.
----------------------------------------------------------------------It it is, only up to the point someone tries to wind you up, then you come out all guns blazing, and hey presto ban.

Just take it easy. I’ve no desire to see you banned, so just offering some advice.

Appreciate the advice dude but I have no intention of letting this chin guy wind me up or coming out all guns blazing.

The fact you did this thread shows that you have allowed me to wind you up.

You should have left it alone after you lost his very point yesterday.

You do this all the time and it never ends well for you.

comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 8 minutes ago

What other evidence would that be?

And if you don’t think he was the best possible appointment then who was and why?

Re Barca, it’s amazing the difference having that best player ever can make.

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Evidence of his unreliable nature, for one.

As for who, I just explained. Someone who fit in with the available playing staff and the style and approach the club wants to pursue. What I can't tell you is the actual names that such a thoughtful analysis and comparison would yield.

"Let's get this bloke 'cos he's won a lot of stuff" is the most simplistic approach possible. The continuous flip-flopping between different playing styles and player types pretty much confirms what everyone already knows: that there's no long-term plan in footballing terms at United.

Woodward has now got it badly wrong on all three of the three permanent managers he's appointed. Unless he decides to leave the footballing affairs to footballing people, is the only way he'll eventually get it right is by accident.

Re Barça, having Messi obviously goes a long way - but he doesn't and cannot win titles all on his own. Just ask Argentina.

No, RDD, what's amazing is what having a long-term plan can do.

Set against your position as a powerhouse of world football, United's return in recent years has been truly pathetic. And that is mostly down to the woeful managerial choices Woodward's made.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
The fact you did this thread shows that you have allowed me to wind you up.

You should have left it alone after you lost his very point yesterday.

You do this all the time and it never ends well for you.

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You must be confused dude.

What is it you think I am confused about?

Who was available who fit the existing squad and playing style better than Jose though?

I think going for a proven winner was necessary after the 2 earlier appointments. Ole has said the club is about winning things. The fact there isn’t a great deal of difference in Moyes, LVG and Jose’s style tells me they were prioritising results over style.

It was inevitable that we’d struggle for a few years after SAF, but we have still won a few trophies which is ultimately what brings the sponsorships rolling in.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
What is it you think I am confused about?
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Lots

So, nothing then.

No probs dude. It's been fun egging you on all day.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
So, nothing then.

No probs dude. It's been fun egging you on all day.
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No, no, lots.

comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 20 minutes ago
Who was available who fit the existing squad and playing style better than Jose though?

I think going for a proven winner was necessary after the 2 earlier appointments. Ole has said the club is about winning things. The fact there isn’t a great deal of difference in Moyes, LVG and Jose’s style tells me they were prioritising results over style.

It was inevitable that we’d struggle for a few years after SAF, but we have still won a few trophies which is ultimately what brings the sponsorships rolling in.
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I've already told you, I don't have the information available to me to give you that answer.

I do know that if you look at the world's top half a dozen clubs since Fergie packed it in, United stand out for underachievment like a sore thumb.

You "think going for a proven winner was necessary after the 2 earlier appointments" because you don't realise that choosing a successful manager takes more than just picking the one who's won the most recently. You need to be much better sey up and much better informed.

And that's the key issue: United have fallen behind off the pitch because you've fallen behind off it.

As I said RDD, nothing.

Or you would list it?

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Dibble (U22051)
posted 20 minutes ago
Who was available who fit the existing squad and playing style better than Jose though?

I think going for a proven winner was necessary after the 2 earlier appointments. Ole has said the club is about winning things. The fact there isn’t a great deal of difference in Moyes, LVG and Jose’s style tells me they were prioritising results over style.

It was inevitable that we’d struggle for a few years after SAF, but we have still won a few trophies which is ultimately what brings the sponsorships rolling in.
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I've already told you, I don't have the information available to me to give you that answer.

I do know that if you look at the world's top half a dozen clubs since Fergie packed it in, United stand out for underachievment like a sore thumb.

You "think going for a proven winner was necessary after the 2 earlier appointments" because you don't realise that choosing a successful manager takes more than just picking the one who's won the most recently. You need to be much better sey up and much better informed.

And that's the key issue: United have fallen behind off the pitch because you've fallen behind off it.
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Successive manager, successive failures. Ina huge club with massive resources.

Who’s fault is that?

Ed. Step forward. We judge managers by sucess on the pitch. We judge those higher up, by what?

Ed. Is the one that’s overseen this. But seems to escape the aggro.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 hours ago
As I said RDD, nothing.

Or you would list it?

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What is your question exactly ?

I wonder if we can push this up to 500 comments.