Remain may not have run a good campaign but leave broke electoral law.
The vote shouldn't count as a result.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I've worked in employment for years and I don't believe those figures at all. Those employed are part of the working poor more often than not and we're not far off Victorian times for poverty.
Trying to spin that we're in a good state is sickening and straight out of the daily mail.
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We’re using the same metrics as we have always done.
You sound like a hardline socialist.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Remain may not have run a good campaign but leave broke electoral law.
The vote shouldn't count as a result.
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If you believe in electoral law then I assume you’re fully aware of the legislation? The penalty was a fine. It was served.
It didn’t render 17.4m voters wrong.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Remain may not have run a good campaign but leave broke electoral law.
The vote shouldn't count as a result.
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If you believe in electoral law then I assume you’re fully aware of the legislation? The penalty was a fine. It was served.
It didn’t render 17.4m voters wrong.
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Yes I'm aware, the fine doesn't alter the fact it was built on lies.
With regards to employment figures we simply have more low hour low paid jobs in the service sector. Championing that is stupid.
People are poor.
Metro, it’s clear you’re too delusional to have this debate.
Round and round in circles with someone who cannot even accept that there are quite clear broken promises and mistruths that would credibly lead people to change their mind about leaving - no thanks.
Do you own research, I recommend starting with Roland Smith.
Although I suspect you’re too entrenched to consider an alternative view, so I certainly won’t be wasting anymore time on you.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Remain may not have run a good campaign but leave broke electoral law.
The vote shouldn't count as a result.
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If you believe in electoral law then I assume you’re fully aware of the legislation? The penalty was a fine. It was served.
It didn’t render 17.4m voters wrong.
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Maybe not, but it rendered any decision they made based on those lies totally invalid.
It's bizarre and frankly quite stupid to suggest that the Brexit camp told lies yet the Remain camp was totally honest.
Every political forecast is full of exaggeration, some people can only believe their own narrow view.
Go on then, what lies did were perpetrated by the remain faction?
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posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
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posted 37 minutes ago
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posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
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posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
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Your opinion is entirely based on conjecture.
As things stand, it’s been proven that what was promised/stated could be achieved, is not possible.
If you believe it is actually possible but the way the process has been managed has prevented that from happening then I suggest you don’t know what you’re talking about. We now know the extent of the issue in NI and we know that the leave campaign were wrong.
I don’t really care what you voted for. I’m telling you, for a fact, that a lot of people did vote for something that they can’t havs. The leave campaign was not for a no deal. I can show you quotes to prove that.
So the situation remains - it is entirely democratic to consider asking people, now they are in possession of facts rather than hypothetical posturing, do they still want to move forward.
Just because a certain element of idiots are happy with a no deal scenario does not mean that the country would be happy to vote for it so we need to be sure because it’s absolutely not whet was voted for in the referendum.
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Good post Winston.
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Except it wasn’t because Winston said...
‘As things stand, it’s been proven that what was promised/stated could be achieved, is not possible’
But didn’t back this up with any credible explanation.
Some people are convinced self governance is impossible - its rather extraordinary.
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Are you for real?
You really need us to lay out all the things that Brexiteers told us during the leave campaign that have turned out to be a big steaming pile of sheite?
If you seriously need that to be done then you’re probably beyond help in a debate like this.
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So you make the claim that things weren’t deliverable and when I ask you to back it up with explanations, you flip it over and ask us to state the promises made - remarkable stuff.
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Liam Fox saying a free trade deal with the EU will be the easiest trade deal in human history.
Try that one for starters Metro.
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Already been answered. You missed it.
Don’t confuse the ease of agreeing a deal with people’s reluctance to broker it.
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What I won't confuse is your inability to recognise an example of what you've asked for.
It is plainly not "the easiest in human history" if after three years of negotiating it hasn't happened.
So, try again
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's bizarre and frankly quite stupid to suggest that the Brexit camp told lies yet the Remain camp was totally honest.
Every political forecast is full of exaggeration, some people can only believe their own narrow view.
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Whataboutery.. Spotlight is on vote leave breaking laws own it.
This thread was a great read with some good points made from both sides of the table.
A few questions of my own.
1 - Quite a few remainers keep going on about how the Brexit campaign was made up from a bunch of lies given from various people ect.
Do you really believe that the MP ect who were in charge of the remain campaign did not also lie?
2 - The only reason why this whole Brexit is turning into a fiasco is down to the simple fact that we have a Remainer in charge of trying to get us out of the EU. It seems like she is doing everything in her power to delay and delay Brexit and then comes up with a stupid deal that she knows will fail.
If we had a leader who was brave and said it how it is was we would be out by now. Simple fact is that the utter fools in Brussels know she doesn't want to leave. We literally have a PM who has no balls and lets face it is a coward.
Some of the gush the EU have said to her should not be uttered to any PM/Leader of any country lets alone a super power like GB. It's quite frankly disrespectful and damn right rude especially coming from a utter clown from a piece of dog chit from Luxembourg.
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 31 minutes ago
This thread was a great read with some good points made from both sides of the table.
A few questions of my own.
1 - Quite a few remainers keep going on about how the Brexit campaign was made up from a bunch of lies given from various people ect.
Do you really believe that the MP ect who were in charge of the remain campaign did not also lie?
2 - The only reason why this whole Brexit is turning into a fiasco is down to the simple fact that we have a Remainer in charge of trying to get us out of the EU. It seems like she is doing everything in her power to delay and delay Brexit and then comes up with a stupid deal that she knows will fail.
If we had a leader who was brave and said it how it is was we would be out by now. Simple fact is that the utter fools in Brussels know she doesn't want to leave. We literally have a PM who has no balls and lets face it is a coward.
Some of the gush the EU have said to her should not be uttered to any PM/Leader of any country lets alone a super power like GB. It's quite frankly disrespectful and damn right rude especially coming from a utter clown from a piece of dog chit from Luxembourg.
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Brexit is hugely detrimental to the UK, especially so in a no deal scenario.
The cowardly British MPs should tell the people why THEY failed on immigration and disenfranchisement of the working class.
Hold your MPs to account before pointing the finger at the EU.
I refuse to accept that someone can make better legislation just because they are British. Look at the hapless Grayling, and continuous Chancellors that refuse to do anything about huge corporations not paying corporation tax properly.
As far as bargaining power goes, bargaining as a collective of 500m people gives a lot more value than 60m. This is why being in the EU gets us superb trade deals.
Not one leave voter can say that this withdrawal deal is what they would have wanted.
So in effect, no one wants this deal. Remainers defacto don't, and nor did leave voters.
If no one wants it, best to scrap it.
"By negotiating as a country of 65 million, we start in a significantly less attractive position than when we are a part of a bloc of around 500 million," Donnelly told BI.
https://www.businessinsider.com/says-liam-fox-former-trade-chief-2019-3?r=US&IR=T
Metro, just for you.
Showing that Liam fox led people down the garden path into a barren desert
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/27/brexit-groups-had-common-plan-to-avoid-election-spending-laws-says-wylie?fbclid=IwAR3xkJBl8ISWPwhhlmHjFQ3dzoslQ13-2zLMtNkrx2v8r_n_Rehxgmf9StE
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Someone has to benefit from all this mess. There must be a group of people filling their pockets over this.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 22 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
Typical hypocritical those who voted to leave!
They were shouting we don't need EU and once the referendum voting finished, the Same people who voted for Brexit were the first ones to apply for Irish passports so they can travel within EU freely?
Hypocrites!
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Pretty sure that's the remainers who have this delusional "citizens of Europe" mentality despite the fact the EU was never meant to be that when we joined in 1973.
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Regardless of whether that was the original intention or not, why do you deride it like it’s a bad thing? What’s wrong with being a citizen of Europe? Or indeed the world? I like that I can just hop onto a train to Paris or Bruges whenever I feel like it. Nationalism is one of those things I’ve never ever understood - this unwavering loyalty to an arbitrarily marked out strip of land you found yourself on by accident of birth, whose government, monarchy et al don’t give a flying fack about the little man like you. It’s such a pointless waste of energy.
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comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 8 seconds ago
You’ve got to laugh at the 18 year olds who bemoan not getting to vote in 2016.
I assume these 18 year olds will be wanting another vote in 2 years time to accommodate today’s 16 year olds.
And in 2 years, the new 18 year olds will be wanting another vote for the new 16 year olds.
Repeat ad infinitum
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Exactly, it's the stupidest thing I've heard
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Why is it stupid?
If we do leave on Friday you'll have 18-19 year olds, some of who will be 20 in a couple of months, that never even got a say in what is going to influence a large portion of their adult life.
It's not like a general election where they will still be under 18 for parts of it.
with a process that will take years to complete, there will always be new eligible voters coming of age that didn't have the chance to vote at the time, when does it stop?
The trade deal part of this will take 2 years to complete in the interim period (probably longer with this shower), should there be another referendum at the end of that once we see what the trade details are?
Pretty sure that's the remainers who have this delusional "citizens of Europe" mentality despite the fact the EU was never meant to be that when we joined in 1973.
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It WAS always meant to be like that, all set out in the treaty of Rome. Problem was WE WERE NOT TOLD, just fed the "it's just a TRADING AGREEMENT, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS" bullshi1t.
Does anyone think we'd have voted to go in if the truth were known then ?
I invite Metro and any other delusional Brexiteers to have a read of this.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/03/blaming-theresa-may-and-eu-delusional-brexit-defeating-itself
Of course, you will need to open up your mind to the possibility that the leave campaign promised things that were not possible. Until you accept that point, you may as well stick to reading Peppa Pig for all the value you'll get from these articles.
comment by Neymars Not Young (U5125)
posted 4 minutes ago
with a process that will take years to complete, there will always be new eligible voters coming of age that didn't have the chance to vote at the time, when does it stop?
The trade deal part of this will take 2 years to complete in the interim period (probably longer with this shower), should there be another referendum at the end of that once we see what the trade details are?
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You obviously won't be able to have every eligible voters but the government should have known it would take say 2 years to sort out so let 16 and 17 year olds also vote as they'll be 18 after the deadline.
Then again that would be forward planning by the government, and we all know that's not allowed with this lot.
BO$$™ (U6401)
"Do you really believe that the MP ect who were in charge of the remain campaign did not also lie? "
The big difference is that the leave campaign were campaigning essentially for a change of constitution. A hypothetical scenario that no one really knew what it looked like.
Remain weren't. They were campaigning for the status quo in many respects. Yes, there were some elements about what may happen in the future but effectively that was a vote to stay as we are.
There's a massive difference in the two.
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 22 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
Typical hypocritical those who voted to leave!
They were shouting we don't need EU and once the referendum voting finished, the Same people who voted for Brexit were the first ones to apply for Irish passports so they can travel within EU freely?
Hypocrites!
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Pretty sure that's the remainers who have this delusional "citizens of Europe" mentality despite the fact the EU was never meant to be that when we joined in 1973.
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Regardless of whether that was the original intention or not, why do you deride it like it’s a bad thing? What’s wrong with being a citizen of Europe? Or indeed the world? I like that I can just hop onto a train to Paris or Bruges whenever I feel like it. Nationalism is one of those things I’ve never ever understood - this unwavering loyalty to an arbitrarily marked out strip of land you found yourself on by accident of birth, whose government, monarchy et al don’t give a flying fack about the little man like you. It’s such a pointless waste of energy.
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Hear hear
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 22 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
Typical hypocritical those who voted to leave!
They were shouting we don't need EU and once the referendum voting finished, the Same people who voted for Brexit were the first ones to apply for Irish passports so they can travel within EU freely?
Hypocrites!
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Pretty sure that's the remainers who have this delusional "citizens of Europe" mentality despite the fact the EU was never meant to be that when we joined in 1973.
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Regardless of whether that was the original intention or not, why do you deride it like it’s a bad thing? What’s wrong with being a citizen of Europe? Or indeed the world? I like that I can just hop onto a train to Paris or Bruges whenever I feel like it. Nationalism is one of those things I’ve never ever understood - this unwavering loyalty to an arbitrarily marked out strip of land you found yourself on by accident of birth, whose government, monarchy et al don’t give a flying fack about the little man like you. It’s such a pointless waste of energy.
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Hear hear
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Or you could try being from a good country like Scotland?
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posted on 24/3/19
Remain may not have run a good campaign but leave broke electoral law.
The vote shouldn't count as a result.
posted on 24/3/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
I've worked in employment for years and I don't believe those figures at all. Those employed are part of the working poor more often than not and we're not far off Victorian times for poverty.
Trying to spin that we're in a good state is sickening and straight out of the daily mail.
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We’re using the same metrics as we have always done.
You sound like a hardline socialist.
posted on 24/3/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Remain may not have run a good campaign but leave broke electoral law.
The vote shouldn't count as a result.
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If you believe in electoral law then I assume you’re fully aware of the legislation? The penalty was a fine. It was served.
It didn’t render 17.4m voters wrong.
posted on 24/3/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Remain may not have run a good campaign but leave broke electoral law.
The vote shouldn't count as a result.
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If you believe in electoral law then I assume you’re fully aware of the legislation? The penalty was a fine. It was served.
It didn’t render 17.4m voters wrong.
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Yes I'm aware, the fine doesn't alter the fact it was built on lies.
With regards to employment figures we simply have more low hour low paid jobs in the service sector. Championing that is stupid.
People are poor.
posted on 24/3/19
Metro, it’s clear you’re too delusional to have this debate.
Round and round in circles with someone who cannot even accept that there are quite clear broken promises and mistruths that would credibly lead people to change their mind about leaving - no thanks.
Do you own research, I recommend starting with Roland Smith.
Although I suspect you’re too entrenched to consider an alternative view, so I certainly won’t be wasting anymore time on you.
posted on 24/3/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 10 minutes ago
Remain may not have run a good campaign but leave broke electoral law.
The vote shouldn't count as a result.
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If you believe in electoral law then I assume you’re fully aware of the legislation? The penalty was a fine. It was served.
It didn’t render 17.4m voters wrong.
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Maybe not, but it rendered any decision they made based on those lies totally invalid.
posted on 24/3/19
It's bizarre and frankly quite stupid to suggest that the Brexit camp told lies yet the Remain camp was totally honest.
Every political forecast is full of exaggeration, some people can only believe their own narrow view.
posted on 24/3/19
Go on then, what lies did were perpetrated by the remain faction?
posted on 24/3/19
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
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Your opinion is entirely based on conjecture.
As things stand, it’s been proven that what was promised/stated could be achieved, is not possible.
If you believe it is actually possible but the way the process has been managed has prevented that from happening then I suggest you don’t know what you’re talking about. We now know the extent of the issue in NI and we know that the leave campaign were wrong.
I don’t really care what you voted for. I’m telling you, for a fact, that a lot of people did vote for something that they can’t havs. The leave campaign was not for a no deal. I can show you quotes to prove that.
So the situation remains - it is entirely democratic to consider asking people, now they are in possession of facts rather than hypothetical posturing, do they still want to move forward.
Just because a certain element of idiots are happy with a no deal scenario does not mean that the country would be happy to vote for it so we need to be sure because it’s absolutely not whet was voted for in the referendum.
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Good post Winston.
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Except it wasn’t because Winston said...
‘As things stand, it’s been proven that what was promised/stated could be achieved, is not possible’
But didn’t back this up with any credible explanation.
Some people are convinced self governance is impossible - its rather extraordinary.
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Are you for real?
You really need us to lay out all the things that Brexiteers told us during the leave campaign that have turned out to be a big steaming pile of sheite?
If you seriously need that to be done then you’re probably beyond help in a debate like this.
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So you make the claim that things weren’t deliverable and when I ask you to back it up with explanations, you flip it over and ask us to state the promises made - remarkable stuff.
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Liam Fox saying a free trade deal with the EU will be the easiest trade deal in human history.
Try that one for starters Metro.
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Already been answered. You missed it.
Don’t confuse the ease of agreeing a deal with people’s reluctance to broker it.
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What I won't confuse is your inability to recognise an example of what you've asked for.
It is plainly not "the easiest in human history" if after three years of negotiating it hasn't happened.
So, try again
posted on 24/3/19
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's bizarre and frankly quite stupid to suggest that the Brexit camp told lies yet the Remain camp was totally honest.
Every political forecast is full of exaggeration, some people can only believe their own narrow view.
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Whataboutery.. Spotlight is on vote leave breaking laws own it.
posted on 24/3/19
This thread was a great read with some good points made from both sides of the table.
A few questions of my own.
1 - Quite a few remainers keep going on about how the Brexit campaign was made up from a bunch of lies given from various people ect.
Do you really believe that the MP ect who were in charge of the remain campaign did not also lie?
2 - The only reason why this whole Brexit is turning into a fiasco is down to the simple fact that we have a Remainer in charge of trying to get us out of the EU. It seems like she is doing everything in her power to delay and delay Brexit and then comes up with a stupid deal that she knows will fail.
If we had a leader who was brave and said it how it is was we would be out by now. Simple fact is that the utter fools in Brussels know she doesn't want to leave. We literally have a PM who has no balls and lets face it is a coward.
Some of the gush the EU have said to her should not be uttered to any PM/Leader of any country lets alone a super power like GB. It's quite frankly disrespectful and damn right rude especially coming from a utter clown from a piece of dog chit from Luxembourg.
posted on 25/3/19
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 31 minutes ago
This thread was a great read with some good points made from both sides of the table.
A few questions of my own.
1 - Quite a few remainers keep going on about how the Brexit campaign was made up from a bunch of lies given from various people ect.
Do you really believe that the MP ect who were in charge of the remain campaign did not also lie?
2 - The only reason why this whole Brexit is turning into a fiasco is down to the simple fact that we have a Remainer in charge of trying to get us out of the EU. It seems like she is doing everything in her power to delay and delay Brexit and then comes up with a stupid deal that she knows will fail.
If we had a leader who was brave and said it how it is was we would be out by now. Simple fact is that the utter fools in Brussels know she doesn't want to leave. We literally have a PM who has no balls and lets face it is a coward.
Some of the gush the EU have said to her should not be uttered to any PM/Leader of any country lets alone a super power like GB. It's quite frankly disrespectful and damn right rude especially coming from a utter clown from a piece of dog chit from Luxembourg.
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Brexit is hugely detrimental to the UK, especially so in a no deal scenario.
The cowardly British MPs should tell the people why THEY failed on immigration and disenfranchisement of the working class.
Hold your MPs to account before pointing the finger at the EU.
I refuse to accept that someone can make better legislation just because they are British. Look at the hapless Grayling, and continuous Chancellors that refuse to do anything about huge corporations not paying corporation tax properly.
As far as bargaining power goes, bargaining as a collective of 500m people gives a lot more value than 60m. This is why being in the EU gets us superb trade deals.
Not one leave voter can say that this withdrawal deal is what they would have wanted.
So in effect, no one wants this deal. Remainers defacto don't, and nor did leave voters.
If no one wants it, best to scrap it.
posted on 25/3/19
"By negotiating as a country of 65 million, we start in a significantly less attractive position than when we are a part of a bloc of around 500 million," Donnelly told BI.
https://www.businessinsider.com/says-liam-fox-former-trade-chief-2019-3?r=US&IR=T
Metro, just for you.
Showing that Liam fox led people down the garden path into a barren desert
posted on 25/3/19
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/27/brexit-groups-had-common-plan-to-avoid-election-spending-laws-says-wylie?fbclid=IwAR3xkJBl8ISWPwhhlmHjFQ3dzoslQ13-2zLMtNkrx2v8r_n_Rehxgmf9StE
posted on 25/3/19
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posted on 25/3/19
Someone has to benefit from all this mess. There must be a group of people filling their pockets over this.
posted on 25/3/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 22 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
Typical hypocritical those who voted to leave!
They were shouting we don't need EU and once the referendum voting finished, the Same people who voted for Brexit were the first ones to apply for Irish passports so they can travel within EU freely?
Hypocrites!
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Pretty sure that's the remainers who have this delusional "citizens of Europe" mentality despite the fact the EU was never meant to be that when we joined in 1973.
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Regardless of whether that was the original intention or not, why do you deride it like it’s a bad thing? What’s wrong with being a citizen of Europe? Or indeed the world? I like that I can just hop onto a train to Paris or Bruges whenever I feel like it. Nationalism is one of those things I’ve never ever understood - this unwavering loyalty to an arbitrarily marked out strip of land you found yourself on by accident of birth, whose government, monarchy et al don’t give a flying fack about the little man like you. It’s such a pointless waste of energy.
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posted on 25/3/19
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 1 day, 11 hours ago
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 8 seconds ago
You’ve got to laugh at the 18 year olds who bemoan not getting to vote in 2016.
I assume these 18 year olds will be wanting another vote in 2 years time to accommodate today’s 16 year olds.
And in 2 years, the new 18 year olds will be wanting another vote for the new 16 year olds.
Repeat ad infinitum
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Exactly, it's the stupidest thing I've heard
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Why is it stupid?
If we do leave on Friday you'll have 18-19 year olds, some of who will be 20 in a couple of months, that never even got a say in what is going to influence a large portion of their adult life.
It's not like a general election where they will still be under 18 for parts of it.
posted on 25/3/19
with a process that will take years to complete, there will always be new eligible voters coming of age that didn't have the chance to vote at the time, when does it stop?
The trade deal part of this will take 2 years to complete in the interim period (probably longer with this shower), should there be another referendum at the end of that once we see what the trade details are?
posted on 25/3/19
Pretty sure that's the remainers who have this delusional "citizens of Europe" mentality despite the fact the EU was never meant to be that when we joined in 1973.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It WAS always meant to be like that, all set out in the treaty of Rome. Problem was WE WERE NOT TOLD, just fed the "it's just a TRADING AGREEMENT, NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS" bullshi1t.
Does anyone think we'd have voted to go in if the truth were known then ?
posted on 25/3/19
I invite Metro and any other delusional Brexiteers to have a read of this.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/03/blaming-theresa-may-and-eu-delusional-brexit-defeating-itself
Of course, you will need to open up your mind to the possibility that the leave campaign promised things that were not possible. Until you accept that point, you may as well stick to reading Peppa Pig for all the value you'll get from these articles.
posted on 25/3/19
comment by Neymars Not Young (U5125)
posted 4 minutes ago
with a process that will take years to complete, there will always be new eligible voters coming of age that didn't have the chance to vote at the time, when does it stop?
The trade deal part of this will take 2 years to complete in the interim period (probably longer with this shower), should there be another referendum at the end of that once we see what the trade details are?
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You obviously won't be able to have every eligible voters but the government should have known it would take say 2 years to sort out so let 16 and 17 year olds also vote as they'll be 18 after the deadline.
Then again that would be forward planning by the government, and we all know that's not allowed with this lot.
posted on 25/3/19
BO$$™ (U6401)
"Do you really believe that the MP ect who were in charge of the remain campaign did not also lie? "
The big difference is that the leave campaign were campaigning essentially for a change of constitution. A hypothetical scenario that no one really knew what it looked like.
Remain weren't. They were campaigning for the status quo in many respects. Yes, there were some elements about what may happen in the future but effectively that was a vote to stay as we are.
There's a massive difference in the two.
posted on 25/3/19
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 22 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
Typical hypocritical those who voted to leave!
They were shouting we don't need EU and once the referendum voting finished, the Same people who voted for Brexit were the first ones to apply for Irish passports so they can travel within EU freely?
Hypocrites!
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Pretty sure that's the remainers who have this delusional "citizens of Europe" mentality despite the fact the EU was never meant to be that when we joined in 1973.
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Regardless of whether that was the original intention or not, why do you deride it like it’s a bad thing? What’s wrong with being a citizen of Europe? Or indeed the world? I like that I can just hop onto a train to Paris or Bruges whenever I feel like it. Nationalism is one of those things I’ve never ever understood - this unwavering loyalty to an arbitrarily marked out strip of land you found yourself on by accident of birth, whose government, monarchy et al don’t give a flying fack about the little man like you. It’s such a pointless waste of energy.
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Hear hear
posted on 25/3/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hulk's little brother Yoda (U1250)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 22 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 minutes ago
Typical hypocritical those who voted to leave!
They were shouting we don't need EU and once the referendum voting finished, the Same people who voted for Brexit were the first ones to apply for Irish passports so they can travel within EU freely?
Hypocrites!
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Pretty sure that's the remainers who have this delusional "citizens of Europe" mentality despite the fact the EU was never meant to be that when we joined in 1973.
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Regardless of whether that was the original intention or not, why do you deride it like it’s a bad thing? What’s wrong with being a citizen of Europe? Or indeed the world? I like that I can just hop onto a train to Paris or Bruges whenever I feel like it. Nationalism is one of those things I’ve never ever understood - this unwavering loyalty to an arbitrarily marked out strip of land you found yourself on by accident of birth, whose government, monarchy et al don’t give a flying fack about the little man like you. It’s such a pointless waste of energy.
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Hear hear
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Or you could try being from a good country like Scotland?
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