You can only get pedigree by being a manager. Plus he too had a team relegated.

New manager bounce worked at treat for ranierri

New manager bounce

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Who are these managers that have new manager bounce. Not Klopp, Pep or Jose for example, or SAF, or LvG.
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Yeah difficult to get a new manager bounce if you don't take over midway through the season.

Usually happens when the previous manager has been the cause for low morale, hence you get an upturn in performances for a while as morale rebounds.

then reality kicks in.

It was clear the run of form was extending beyond the so called new manager bounce even Got Robb started lay the ground work for his about face

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 41 seconds ago
It was clear the run of form was extending beyond the so called new manager bounce even Got Robb started lay the ground work for his about face
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I think Ole was laying the groundwork with a horrendous run of shiiiite

But who are they HB.? I can only really think of Shakespeare and his was not as impressive as Ole's. In fact I can't think of anyone who did what Ole did. And the credit is his, especially if the fault since is down to him.

If you don't sack him then you've got to give him 4 full years to start the rebuild. If there are doubts he can get you to where you want to be then just admit a mistake and start again. Will be so much harder 6 / 9 / 12 months down the line forgetting the fact that the rebuild is delayed again by the same time frame.

comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 4 minutes ago
If you don't sack him then you've got to give him 4 full years to start the rebuild. If there are doubts he can get you to where you want to be then just admit a mistake and start again. Will be so much harder 6 / 9 / 12 months down the line forgetting the fact that the rebuild is delayed again by the same time frame.
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Exactly what this article is about

I have no hard feelings towards Ole. Just that I think he’s way out of his depth and we should take the brave step of admitting we got the wrong guy and bring in a top manager

Poch
Conte
Allegri
Simeone
Benitez

Etc - plenty to choose from

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 41 seconds ago
It was clear the run of form was extending beyond the so called new manager bounce even Got Robb started lay the ground work for his about face
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I think Ole was laying the groundwork with a horrendous run of shiiiite
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If the previous manager hadn't spent last summer working out his mouth instead of his players they might have have been able to sustain the new tactics and style of play that ole was trying to implement

Poch
Conte
Allegri
Simeone
Benitez

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Not sure about Allegri, but there would be plenty of sheite football served up with any of Benitez, Conte or Simeone.

comment by HB Fash (U21935)

posted 51 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425) 
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 39 seconds ago

United are 17th in the form table with 5 points in 6 games.

He deserves credit for the new manager bounce but that happens a lot for even poor managers, once that died out he couldn't get United going again.
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We also have averaged 1.91 points per game under a manager that took over a team in dire straights, that hasn't had a preseason and that hasn't made a signing.

Interestingly, Klopp averaged just 1.60 points per game in his first/part season in charge at LFC. Should he also have been sacked at the end of the 15/16 season?
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I take your point but it's the manner of the collapse post new manager bounce that is the main cause for worry when it comes to Ole especially when you factor in how poor he did at Cardiff. 

Klopp's team have continued to improve since he took over, i don't remember them going backwards for any prolonged period. United are doing exactly that.
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How do you expect him to have improved us dramatically having not had a preseason or transfer window? He improved our points per game ratio by 25%.

posted 57 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425) 
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 39 seconds ago

United are 17th in the form table with 5 points in 6 games.

He deserves credit for the new manager bounce but that happens a lot for even poor managers, once that died out he couldn't get United going again.
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We also have averaged 1.91 points per game under a manager that took over a team in dire straights, that hasn't had a preseason and that hasn't made a signing.

Interestingly, Klopp averaged just 1.60 points per game in his first/part season in charge at LFC. Should he also have been sacked at the end of the 15/16 season?
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He was a a manager with a much better pedigree than Ole and also reached two cup finals in that first year
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And still performed worse in the league in his first season

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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 4 minutes ago
If you don't sack him then you've got to give him 4 full years to start the rebuild. If there are doubts he can get you to where you want to be then just admit a mistake and start again. Will be so much harder 6 / 9 / 12 months down the line forgetting the fact that the rebuild is delayed again by the same time frame.
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Exactly what this article is about

I have no hard feelings towards Ole. Just that I think he’s way out of his depth and we should take the brave step of admitting we got the wrong guy and bring in a top manager

Poch
Conte
Allegri
Simeone
Benitez

Etc - plenty to choose from
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Choose from? Like a kid in a sweetshop? With the exception of Conte all those managers are in jobs, with Conte looking like signing for Inter.
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Poch has hinted he might be off - maybe to Juve
Allegri looks like he might be off
Benitez would leave Newcastle in a heartbeat
Maybe Simeone wants a new challenge
And not sure about Conte’s next job but would be a good option for me.

Of course we don't have to give him 4 full years, nobody gets that without success.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
posted 57 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425) 
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 39 seconds ago

United are 17th in the form table with 5 points in 6 games.

He deserves credit for the new manager bounce but that happens a lot for even poor managers, once that died out he couldn't get United going again.
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We also have averaged 1.91 points per game under a manager that took over a team in dire straights, that hasn't had a preseason and that hasn't made a signing.

Interestingly, Klopp averaged just 1.60 points per game in his first/part season in charge at LFC. Should he also have been sacked at the end of the 15/16 season?
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He was a a manager with a much better pedigree than Ole and also reached two cup finals in that first year
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And still performed worse in the league in his first season
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Depends how you define ‘performed worse’

Anyone could see how promising Liverpool looked under Klopp and what kind of philosophy he was bringing. Ole has shown nothing of the sort and has no real pedigree to call upon to be deserving of all this blind faith.

Can we agree that whether or not Solskjaer does a good job as manager of Manchester United will depend on the quality of his ideas and his ability to implement them through recruitment and work to teach and motivate the players?

If so, can we not agree that we still know very little about his innate abilities in these respects? None of us have witnessed his work first-hand. All we can go on are performances across a bit less than half a season and the glimpses we get of how he talks about the game and how he interacts with the players.

The former has given us a mixture of positive and negative images of the football he could give us - fast, energetic attacking football on one hand; a troubling slump on the other. Can the slump be attributed to Solskjaer's shortcomings as a motivator, or to the mess he inherited (a squad that is fundamentally mentally weak, unfit, imbalanced, and lacking in quality in key areas)? I honestly don't know. Time will tell.

The latter (the vision he has articulated and the way the players have publicly responded to him) seems to chime with the desires of most of our fans. After the mediocrity of Moyes, the ponderousness of LVG and the toxic negativity of Mourinho, as well as overhauling our recruitment and long-term strategy, we have been crying out for a change in culture. The principles of joyful, fast, attacking football and trusting in youth seem like a good basis, and something that none of the predecessors wanted. Again, none of us can honestly say whether OGS will successfully realise his goal, but it's foolish to disregard the attempt to instil a new culture as one of the stepping stones to a better football club.

As I said, it's the quality of the ideas and the innate abilities as a coach that matter. Anyone who thinks they can accurately describe Solskjaer's innate qualities based on Cardiff or the end of this season is flattering their powers of deduction to a ridiculous degree. By all means discuss the worrying implications of the downturn in form. By all means point out that his lack of proven experience makes this appointment look risky. But you're a liar if you claim you know enough about Solskjaer to conclude he doesn't have the right qualities. The people who picked him have access to far more detailed information about the best emerging coaches across Europe - just maybe (after their multiple failures) they actually decided to leverage that information this time. Just maybe the club is on the road to picking the talented guy and backing him (like Dortmund did when they picked Klopp after he got Mainz relegated and then failed to get them promoted back to Bundesliga 1). Maybe not. But having vociferously backed more than one abject failure in the past, I'd be cautious about claiming a special vantage point on this one.

Phelan just signed his contract so ole won't be going anywhere yet

Ridiculous to suggest they would

He would ^

Robb are you seriously advocating rafa?

Anyone could see how promising Liverpool looked under Klopp and what kind of philosophy he was bringing. Ole has shown nothing of the sort

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I think the first 10 or 12 games was a good indication of how OGS wants United to play.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 34 seconds ago
Can we agree that whether or not Solskjaer does a good job as manager of Manchester United will depend on the quality of his ideas and his ability to implement them through recruitment and work to teach and motivate the players?

If so, can we not agree that we still know very little about his innate abilities in these respects? None of us have witnessed his work first-hand. All we can go on are performances across a bit less than half a season and the glimpses we get of how he talks about the game and how he interacts with the players.

The former has given us a mixture of positive and negative images of the football he could give us - fast, energetic attacking football on one hand; a troubling slump on the other. Can the slump be attributed to Solskjaer's shortcomings as a motivator, or to the mess he inherited (a squad that is fundamentally mentally weak, unfit, imbalanced, and lacking in quality in key areas)? I honestly don't know. Time will tell.

The latter (the vision he has articulated and the way the players have publicly responded to him) seems to chime with the desires of most of our fans. After the mediocrity of Moyes, the ponderousness of LVG and the toxic negativity of Mourinho, as well as overhauling our recruitment and long-term strategy, we have been crying out for a change in culture. The principles of joyful, fast, attacking football and trusting in youth seem like a good basis, and something that none of the predecessors wanted. Again, none of us can honestly say whether OGS will successfully realise his goal, but it's foolish to disregard the attempt to instil a new culture as one of the stepping stones to a better football club.

As I said, it's the quality of the ideas and the innate abilities as a coach that matter. Anyone who thinks they can accurately describe Solskjaer's innate qualities based on Cardiff or the end of this season is flattering their powers of deduction to a ridiculous degree. By all means discuss the worrying implications of the downturn in form. By all means point out that his lack of proven experience makes this appointment look risky. But you're a liar if you claim you know enough about Solskjaer to conclude he doesn't have the right qualities. The people who picked him have access to far more detailed information about the best emerging coaches across Europe - just maybe (after their multiple failures) they actually decided to leverage that information this time. Just maybe the club is on the road to picking the talented guy and backing him (like Dortmund did when they picked Klopp after he got Mainz relegated and then failed to get them promoted back to Bundesliga 1). Maybe not. But having vociferously backed more than one abject failure in the past, I'd be cautious about claiming a special vantage point on this one.
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I woukd have classed Warnock as one of the few managers poorer than Solskjaer.. but even he turned Solskjaer over!

Not Benitez. His heart is in Liverpool, he still li on the Wirrel. Plus his football is, let's say pragmatic, I don't know why you would want him. Simeon no, similar reasons. Ole could be the answer, so let's find out.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
Not Benitez. His heart is in Liverpool, he still li on the Wirrel. Plus his football is, let's say pragmatic, I don't know why you would want him. Simeon no, similar reasons. Ole could be the answer, so let's find out.
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No real United fan would want Benitez or Simeone. Hence why they have been suggested...