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So you think that rafa Benitez is so good that you should deny ole the opportunity of a full season with a potentially improved squad and structure around him if it means having rafa there instead, even though it's been made clear that no manager can thrive in the current setup?
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Yes because Rafa is a vastly better manager than Ole and also has experience in working relative miracles under inept ownership.
You guys are proving my point for me actually. You roll your eyes at someone like Rafa who has his flaws but also his plus points yet defend an unproven entity like Ole.
It’s amazing really
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Why not give ole a chance though, what's the worst case scenario compared to the best case scenario under rafa?
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Compare to when Rafa was at Chelsea, turned the club around won the Europa and finished in the top 4. despite the levels of animosity from fans he got on with the job professionally.
so Ole should have those as targets.
Road to Gdansk is long.
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comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
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So you think that rafa Benitez is so good that you should deny ole the opportunity of a full season with a potentially improved squad and structure around him if it means having rafa there instead, even though it's been made clear that no manager can thrive in the current setup?
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Yes because Rafa is a vastly better manager than Ole and also has experience in working relative miracles under inept ownership.
You guys are proving my point for me actually. You roll your eyes at someone like Rafa who has his flaws but also his plus points yet defend an unproven entity like Ole.
It’s amazing really
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Why not give ole a chance though, what's the worst case scenario compared to the best case scenario under rafa?
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Worst case is that Ole continues this terrible form next season and gets sacked before Christmas and we waste another season at a time when it’s quite important we take forward steps instead of backwards ones
Best case scenario is that Rafa brings top quality coaching and tactical expertise into the club and improves what we have in a way he has done with the Newcastle players - what he’s done with Ayoze Perez is incredible and imagine what he could do with someone like Martial?
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And while people are falling over themselves to give him a get out of jail free card for this season and only really judge him on next some of us have been looking for signs as to what might change next season and those signs have been few and far between.
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This from you robb I think after the PSG game
"How are people feeling now about Ole getting the job? I did doubt the guy but I have to admit, he has surpassed a lot of my expectations"
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As was said earlier, it was an emotional night and not a time for emotional decisions to be made by the decision makers at the top. As we’ve seen since - relegation form
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He didn't get the job on just the strength of that result and he was exceeding all expectations including yours
So the signs were quite obviously more than few and far between
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If the job was still up for grabs would you still give it to Ole based on the 5 months he’s been at the club?
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Well robb you wanted Jose appointed straight away after he was sacked after 5 months of relegation form at Chelsea
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Yeah but Jose was one of the greatest managers of the past 20 years and had won a title the season before. He most certainly deserved the chance.
Ole isn’t even in the top 500 managers ever so it’s a silly comparison.
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What about the signs though
And the signs of those 5 months culminating in him abusing a female medic were that he was broken.
All logic would dictate you would stay away from him yet you would have appounted him there and then
We all know where ole come in world ranking of managers we've been down that road and hired from that list.
Oles attributes are different and for 3 months he exceeded your expectations . I think most observing would agree the last 2 months reflect more on the players
The time to really start judging ole starts now.
To be honest Rafa would sell Martial to Liverpool.
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
This has turned into a good debate and has had very little VC and Winston style sniping.
Just points put forward and responded to. How it should always be.
Turned Chelsea around? They were four points off top when Rafa took over, finished 14 behind.
Ultimately I think that there are no obtainable candidates out there that are good enough to deny OGS the opportunity of at least having a summer to improve the squad
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Ultimately I think that there are no obtainable candidates out there that are good enough to deny OGS the opportunity of at least having a summer to improve the squad
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Another question is will the players we need come to United to play under Ole?
Ace, the loyalty from the fans is quite an important I think. It really shifts the focus onto the players which I think is key when looking to rebuild.
Look at Martial, for example. He’s been the pin up boy for everything that was wrong with Mourinho and now fans are starting to realise there’s justifiable questions that need to be asked of this player.
I’m not saying sell him or anything. But when your fans are backing the manager over any of the players it’s really important when establishing authority.
I don’t think many other coaches would get that from the majority of fans, and given we need to be ruthless with rebuilding the squad I think it’s a really key thing here.
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comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
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Ultimately I think that there are no obtainable candidates out there that are good enough to deny OGS the opportunity of at least having a summer to improve the squad
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Another question is will the players we need come to United to play under Ole?
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The type of players who you're clearly crying out for aren't the type of players who would think they're too good for you or your manager
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You missed a trick not attempting to bring Conte back to the Prem.
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Yeah, good shout. Showed how well he could lift players post-Jose and actually maintain that
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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
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Erm, no. Ace's point is a very reasonable one but it isn't what you are suggesting in your article.
I'm not going to debate whether Ole is the right man for the job because I just dont know. The manager's position is just part of the problem at the club, as you were very quick to point out to us all during Jose's reign.
But what you are suggesting is that in order to progress next season we need to suddenly overhaul our management and rip up our summer plans that have been made on the premise that Ole will be our head coach next season. We should then employ a new manager, say Rafa Benitez, who most likely has a completely different outlook on the game to Ole. You then give the new man 2-3 months in the transfer market to try and overhaul a deeply flawed squad of players.
If you honestly think this is the best plan for us to move forward next season you have completely and utterly lost the plot, Robb.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
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Turned Chelsea around?They were four points off top when Rafa took over, finished 14 behind.
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Still got a trophy and finished third and he was only there as an interim manager.
If you think Solskjaer can do that lets see it.
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You missed a trick not attempting to bring Conte back to the Prem.
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He would love Ed Woodward.
What’s that got to do with your lies about turning Chelsea around?
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comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
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Erm, no. Ace's point is a very reasonable one but it isn't what you are suggesting in your article.
I'm not going to debate whether Ole is the right man for the job because I just dont know. The manager's position is just part of the problem at the club, as you were very quick to point out to us all during Jose's reign.
But what you are suggesting is that in order to progress next season we need to suddenly overhaul our management and rip up our summer plans that have been made on the premise that Ole will be our head coach next season. We should then employ a new manager, say Rafa Benitez, who most likely has a completely different outlook on the game to Ole. You then give the new man 2-3 months in the transfer market to try and overhaul a deeply flawed squad of players.
If you honestly think this is the best plan for us to move forward next season you have completely and utterly lost the plot, Robb.
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I don’t think you read any of the above correctly
I’m just agreeing with Ace that if Ole hadn’t been given the job and fans could decide now that I think many would bring in a different manager now.
I know Ole isn’t going anywhere at this stage even though it would be a brave decision by the management to do so. It’s just sad that I really feel Ole will be gone by Christmas and it will be another wasted season.
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comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
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Erm, no. Ace's point is a very reasonable one but it isn't what you are suggesting in your article.
I'm not going to debate whether Ole is the right man for the job because I just dont know. The manager's position is just part of the problem at the club, as you were very quick to point out to us all during Jose's reign.
But what you are suggesting is that in order to progress next season we need to suddenly overhaul our management and rip up our summer plans that have been made on the premise that Ole will be our head coach next season. We should then employ a new manager, say Rafa Benitez, who most likely has a completely different outlook on the game to Ole. You then give the new man 2-3 months in the transfer market to try and overhaul a deeply flawed squad of players.
If you honestly think this is the best plan for us to move forward next season you have completely and utterly lost the plot, Robb.
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I don’t think you read any of the above correctly
I’m just agreeing with Ace that if Ole hadn’t been given the job and fans could decide now that I think many would bring in a different manager now.
I know Ole isn’t going anywhere at this stage even though it would be a brave decision by the management to do so. It’s just sad that I really feel Ole will be gone by Christmas and it will be another wasted season.
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No, I have read it just fine.
There is a very big difference between questioning whether the Ole appointment was the correct one, and actually thinking he should be sacked in the summer.
And then replaced with Benitez.
Some people just want to see the world burn.
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comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
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Erm, no. Ace's point is a very reasonable one but it isn't what you are suggesting in your article.
I'm not going to debate whether Ole is the right man for the job because I just dont know. The manager's position is just part of the problem at the club, as you were very quick to point out to us all during Jose's reign.
But what you are suggesting is that in order to progress next season we need to suddenly overhaul our management and rip up our summer plans that have been made on the premise that Ole will be our head coach next season. We should then employ a new manager, say Rafa Benitez, who most likely has a completely different outlook on the game to Ole. You then give the new man 2-3 months in the transfer market to try and overhaul a deeply flawed squad of players.
If you honestly think this is the best plan for us to move forward next season you have completely and utterly lost the plot, Robb.
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I don’t think you read any of the above correctly
I’m just agreeing with Ace that if Ole hadn’t been given the job and fans could decide now that I think many would bring in a different manager now.
I know Ole isn’t going anywhere at this stage even though it would be a brave decision by the management to do so. It’s just sad that I really feel Ole will be gone by Christmas and it will be another wasted season.
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No, I have read it just fine.
There is a very big difference between questioning whether the Ole appointment was the correct one, and actually thinking he should be sacked in the summer.
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I don’t think he should be sacked in the summer. I think he should (but won’t) be sacked tomorrow. And then the club should interview managers straight away and bring in the very best candidate. Sure, might delay things for a bit but ultimately imo will save us having to sack a guy who again, imo, is clearly out of his depth in the winter.
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posted 6 seconds ago
And then replaced with Benitez.
Some people just want to see the world burn.
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If you can think of a single reason Ole is a better option as manager than Rafa I’m all ears
I don’t think he should be sacked in the summer. I think he should (but won’t) be sacked tomorrow
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Whatever. Point still stands
Not being Rafa is a good reason.
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Not being Rafa is a good reason.
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comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
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posted 34 seconds ago
So you think that rafa Benitez is so good that you should deny ole the opportunity of a full season with a potentially improved squad and structure around him if it means having rafa there instead, even though it's been made clear that no manager can thrive in the current setup?
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Yes because Rafa is a vastly better manager than Ole and also has experience in working relative miracles under inept ownership.
You guys are proving my point for me actually. You roll your eyes at someone like Rafa who has his flaws but also his plus points yet defend an unproven entity like Ole.
It’s amazing really
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Why not give ole a chance though, what's the worst case scenario compared to the best case scenario under rafa?
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Compare to when Rafa was at Chelsea, turned the club around won the Europa and finished in the top 4. despite the levels of animosity from fans he got on with the job professionally.
so Ole should have those as targets.
Road to Gdansk is long.
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 34 seconds ago
So you think that rafa Benitez is so good that you should deny ole the opportunity of a full season with a potentially improved squad and structure around him if it means having rafa there instead, even though it's been made clear that no manager can thrive in the current setup?
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Yes because Rafa is a vastly better manager than Ole and also has experience in working relative miracles under inept ownership.
You guys are proving my point for me actually. You roll your eyes at someone like Rafa who has his flaws but also his plus points yet defend an unproven entity like Ole.
It’s amazing really
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Why not give ole a chance though, what's the worst case scenario compared to the best case scenario under rafa?
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Worst case is that Ole continues this terrible form next season and gets sacked before Christmas and we waste another season at a time when it’s quite important we take forward steps instead of backwards ones
Best case scenario is that Rafa brings top quality coaching and tactical expertise into the club and improves what we have in a way he has done with the Newcastle players - what he’s done with Ayoze Perez is incredible and imagine what he could do with someone like Martial?
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 11 minutes ago
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And while people are falling over themselves to give him a get out of jail free card for this season and only really judge him on next some of us have been looking for signs as to what might change next season and those signs have been few and far between.
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This from you robb I think after the PSG game
"How are people feeling now about Ole getting the job? I did doubt the guy but I have to admit, he has surpassed a lot of my expectations"
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As was said earlier, it was an emotional night and not a time for emotional decisions to be made by the decision makers at the top. As we’ve seen since - relegation form
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He didn't get the job on just the strength of that result and he was exceeding all expectations including yours
So the signs were quite obviously more than few and far between
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If the job was still up for grabs would you still give it to Ole based on the 5 months he’s been at the club?
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Well robb you wanted Jose appointed straight away after he was sacked after 5 months of relegation form at Chelsea
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Yeah but Jose was one of the greatest managers of the past 20 years and had won a title the season before. He most certainly deserved the chance.
Ole isn’t even in the top 500 managers ever so it’s a silly comparison.
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What about the signs though
And the signs of those 5 months culminating in him abusing a female medic were that he was broken.
All logic would dictate you would stay away from him yet you would have appounted him there and then
We all know where ole come in world ranking of managers we've been down that road and hired from that list.
Oles attributes are different and for 3 months he exceeded your expectations . I think most observing would agree the last 2 months reflect more on the players
The time to really start judging ole starts now.
posted on 12/5/19
To be honest Rafa would sell Martial to Liverpool.
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
posted on 12/5/19
This has turned into a good debate and has had very little VC and Winston style sniping.
Just points put forward and responded to. How it should always be.
posted on 12/5/19
Turned Chelsea around? They were four points off top when Rafa took over, finished 14 behind.
posted on 12/5/19
Ultimately I think that there are no obtainable candidates out there that are good enough to deny OGS the opportunity of at least having a summer to improve the squad
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
Ultimately I think that there are no obtainable candidates out there that are good enough to deny OGS the opportunity of at least having a summer to improve the squad
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Another question is will the players we need come to United to play under Ole?
posted on 12/5/19
Ace, the loyalty from the fans is quite an important I think. It really shifts the focus onto the players which I think is key when looking to rebuild.
Look at Martial, for example. He’s been the pin up boy for everything that was wrong with Mourinho and now fans are starting to realise there’s justifiable questions that need to be asked of this player.
I’m not saying sell him or anything. But when your fans are backing the manager over any of the players it’s really important when establishing authority.
I don’t think many other coaches would get that from the majority of fans, and given we need to be ruthless with rebuilding the squad I think it’s a really key thing here.
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comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
Ultimately I think that there are no obtainable candidates out there that are good enough to deny OGS the opportunity of at least having a summer to improve the squad
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Another question is will the players we need come to United to play under Ole?
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The type of players who you're clearly crying out for aren't the type of players who would think they're too good for you or your manager
posted on 13/5/19
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 7 seconds ago
You missed a trick not attempting to bring Conte back to the Prem.
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Yeah, good shout. Showed how well he could lift players post-Jose and actually maintain that
posted on 13/5/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
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Erm, no. Ace's point is a very reasonable one but it isn't what you are suggesting in your article.
I'm not going to debate whether Ole is the right man for the job because I just dont know. The manager's position is just part of the problem at the club, as you were very quick to point out to us all during Jose's reign.
But what you are suggesting is that in order to progress next season we need to suddenly overhaul our management and rip up our summer plans that have been made on the premise that Ole will be our head coach next season. We should then employ a new manager, say Rafa Benitez, who most likely has a completely different outlook on the game to Ole. You then give the new man 2-3 months in the transfer market to try and overhaul a deeply flawed squad of players.
If you honestly think this is the best plan for us to move forward next season you have completely and utterly lost the plot, Robb.
posted on 13/5/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
Turned Chelsea around?They were four points off top when Rafa took over, finished 14 behind.
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Still got a trophy and finished third and he was only there as an interim manager.
If you think Solskjaer can do that lets see it.
posted on 13/5/19
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 1 minute ago
You missed a trick not attempting to bring Conte back to the Prem.
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He would love Ed Woodward.
posted on 13/5/19
What’s that got to do with your lies about turning Chelsea around?
posted on 13/5/19
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
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Erm, no. Ace's point is a very reasonable one but it isn't what you are suggesting in your article.
I'm not going to debate whether Ole is the right man for the job because I just dont know. The manager's position is just part of the problem at the club, as you were very quick to point out to us all during Jose's reign.
But what you are suggesting is that in order to progress next season we need to suddenly overhaul our management and rip up our summer plans that have been made on the premise that Ole will be our head coach next season. We should then employ a new manager, say Rafa Benitez, who most likely has a completely different outlook on the game to Ole. You then give the new man 2-3 months in the transfer market to try and overhaul a deeply flawed squad of players.
If you honestly think this is the best plan for us to move forward next season you have completely and utterly lost the plot, Robb.
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I don’t think you read any of the above correctly
I’m just agreeing with Ace that if Ole hadn’t been given the job and fans could decide now that I think many would bring in a different manager now.
I know Ole isn’t going anywhere at this stage even though it would be a brave decision by the management to do so. It’s just sad that I really feel Ole will be gone by Christmas and it will be another wasted season.
posted on 13/5/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
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Erm, no. Ace's point is a very reasonable one but it isn't what you are suggesting in your article.
I'm not going to debate whether Ole is the right man for the job because I just dont know. The manager's position is just part of the problem at the club, as you were very quick to point out to us all during Jose's reign.
But what you are suggesting is that in order to progress next season we need to suddenly overhaul our management and rip up our summer plans that have been made on the premise that Ole will be our head coach next season. We should then employ a new manager, say Rafa Benitez, who most likely has a completely different outlook on the game to Ole. You then give the new man 2-3 months in the transfer market to try and overhaul a deeply flawed squad of players.
If you honestly think this is the best plan for us to move forward next season you have completely and utterly lost the plot, Robb.
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I don’t think you read any of the above correctly
I’m just agreeing with Ace that if Ole hadn’t been given the job and fans could decide now that I think many would bring in a different manager now.
I know Ole isn’t going anywhere at this stage even though it would be a brave decision by the management to do so. It’s just sad that I really feel Ole will be gone by Christmas and it will be another wasted season.
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No, I have read it just fine.
There is a very big difference between questioning whether the Ole appointment was the correct one, and actually thinking he should be sacked in the summer.
posted on 13/5/19
And then replaced with Benitez.
Some people just want to see the world burn.
posted on 13/5/19
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you’re really gonna progress this debate, then Utd fans need to just ask themselves the simple question.
If results, performances etc were all the same, the only difference being that Ole was still interim, rather than permanent manager, would you now that the season has ended be saying:
A) Right, sign him up on a 3 year deal and give him his own transfer budget so we can see what he can do
Or
B) Thanks Ole for chipping in, you’re a club legend but you’re not really the man for the long term job, good luck back at Molde - now let’s go break the bank for X.
Surely if most were honest it would be B. But I think because he is permanent in role, and a club legend, most are sticking with him regardless. It’s a sentimental thing, rather than a cold hard ‘we need the best man’ approach, and you have to admire that loyalty. Whether it pays off or not is another thing entirely.
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Very much this
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Erm, no. Ace's point is a very reasonable one but it isn't what you are suggesting in your article.
I'm not going to debate whether Ole is the right man for the job because I just dont know. The manager's position is just part of the problem at the club, as you were very quick to point out to us all during Jose's reign.
But what you are suggesting is that in order to progress next season we need to suddenly overhaul our management and rip up our summer plans that have been made on the premise that Ole will be our head coach next season. We should then employ a new manager, say Rafa Benitez, who most likely has a completely different outlook on the game to Ole. You then give the new man 2-3 months in the transfer market to try and overhaul a deeply flawed squad of players.
If you honestly think this is the best plan for us to move forward next season you have completely and utterly lost the plot, Robb.
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I don’t think you read any of the above correctly
I’m just agreeing with Ace that if Ole hadn’t been given the job and fans could decide now that I think many would bring in a different manager now.
I know Ole isn’t going anywhere at this stage even though it would be a brave decision by the management to do so. It’s just sad that I really feel Ole will be gone by Christmas and it will be another wasted season.
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No, I have read it just fine.
There is a very big difference between questioning whether the Ole appointment was the correct one, and actually thinking he should be sacked in the summer.
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I don’t think he should be sacked in the summer. I think he should (but won’t) be sacked tomorrow. And then the club should interview managers straight away and bring in the very best candidate. Sure, might delay things for a bit but ultimately imo will save us having to sack a guy who again, imo, is clearly out of his depth in the winter.
posted on 13/5/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
And then replaced with Benitez.
Some people just want to see the world burn.
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If you can think of a single reason Ole is a better option as manager than Rafa I’m all ears
posted on 13/5/19
I don’t think he should be sacked in the summer. I think he should (but won’t) be sacked tomorrow
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Whatever. Point still stands
posted on 13/5/19
Not being Rafa is a good reason.
posted on 13/5/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not being Rafa is a good reason.
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