comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
It's not inevitable, it is opinion as you say. We just don't know if he is good enough, but we will find out next season, so let's all wait and see and back him meanwhile.
Also Jose wasn't going to get top 4 with these players this year, and he said so.
Maybe we will compete for top 4 next season while rebuilding the club.
I can wait to find out (I hope ! )
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Me too
I know a lot of people are getting upset by this article but it’s just something I feel strongly about. Massive summer for the club. Really hope they have the balls to sack off a lot of the deadwood but we say that every summer and it rarely happens
I don’t know why you think Poch will be some sort of saviour Robb, we’ve had better managers flop. The issue isn’t just down to the management, the entire club is run worse than a nursery.
There’s definitely going to be a big rebuild. Ole’s mentioned it so many times. It’ll be similar to when Van Gaal came in.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 39 seconds ago
I don’t know why you think Poch will be some sort of saviour Robb, we’ve had better managers flop. The issue isn’t just down to the management, the entire club is run worse than a nursery.
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He’s a superb manager who has improved so many so-so players brilliantly. Look at how well he’s improved a joke player like Sissoko. Spent nothing at all this summer and taken Spurs (once again) into the top 4 and Spurs into the CL final.
No one is guaranteed to succeed at United. But I’d wager my life savings he would be a better choice for us than Ole
You need to let it go. Pochettino was never going to come.
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 49 seconds ago
You need to let it go. Pochettino was never going to come.
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We’ll never know
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 39 seconds ago
I don’t know why you think Poch will be some sort of saviour Robb, we’ve had better managers flop. The issue isn’t just down to the management, the entire club is run worse than a nursery.
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He’s a superb manager who has improved so many so-so players brilliantly. Look at how well he’s improved a joke player like Sissoko. Spent nothing at all this summer and taken Spurs (once again) into the top 4 and Spurs into the CL final.
No one is guaranteed to succeed at United. But I’d wager my life savings he would be a better choice for us than Ole
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You would have also wagered your life savings on Jose winning the league within 3 seasons. You'd have lost. There are no guarantees in football. At the moment we have a manager and assistant manager that understands what kind of character it takes to be a united player. They are better qualified than anyone to start rebuilding this squad, even if they don't achieve trophies.
Yet poch's PL record in the same time as Ole's has been a disaster too (with a better team and better run cub)... If poch'd come in after Jose, you'd be writing Poch out articles, as it suits this bizarre agenda of hating on the next manager after the one you backed.
Do you not think he was approached? It’s quite obvious he turned us down. And I do not blame him.
If poch leaves it will be because he gets fed up of how the club Is run
You dont think that he'd therefore want to go to a club where he is happy with how it's being run?
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comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
If poch leaves it will be because he gets fed up of how the club Is run
You dont think that he'd therefore want to go to a club where he is happy with how it's being run?
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Exactly!
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yet poch's PL record in the same time as Ole's has been a disaster too (with a better team and better run cub)... If poch'd come in after Jose, you'd be writing Poch out articles, as it suits this bizarre agenda of hating on the next manager after the one you backed.
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I don’t hate Ole at all
I just have massive doubts he has what it takes and really don’t understand where all this faith in him comes from? He was an excellent player and will always be one of my favourites but he has shown nothing as a manager in the top flight he has what it takes. Even just looking at today in isolation his tactics were shocking. He has no discernible philosophy nor does he have a track record of success for us to go back to to feel reassured he can be what better managers have shown they can’t be.
From another site...
"It is quite the party trick to lose 2-0 at home to a relegated team that sacked you five years ago. That sentence alone betrays the inherent stupidity it required for Manchester United to appoint Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in March.
That it is a choice everyone supported – and many even called for – after the Champions League elimination of PSG is no defence. Ed Woodward is employed by the club not to buy into, play up to or give into the social media frenzy, but to make the cold, calculated business decisions off the pitch to aid progress on it. He is there to ignore the bluster, to cut through the nostalgia and lead United into the future, not on a grand tour of their illustrious past.
Yet here they stand: a battered and bruised shadow of what they were even one or two seasons ago, never mind ten. United plumbed various depths under David Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Jose Mourinho, but two wins in 12 games is a level of failure even Solskjaer’s predecessors would have winced at.
The 1-1 draw away at bottom club Huddersfield seemed like the nadir, yet a 2-0 defeat at home to 18th-placed Cardiff is a new low. The Bluebirds had as many first-half shots at Old Trafford as they had scored away goals in the Premier League all season (11) as United looked disinterested, disjointed and diseased.
Solskjaer’s tactics were wrong, as was the attitude of the majority of his players. This now matches 2013/14 as the most disastrous season in the club’s Premier League history.
United have won as many league games as they did then (19), scoring and conceding one and 11 more respectively. They reached the Champions League quarter-final in both seasons, but a domestic quarter-final and third-round was beaten by a domestic semi-final and third-round five years ago.
Both seasons were also characterised by mistaken managerial appointments seemingly corrected by a shot of sentimentality. That Woodward decided against Ryan Giggs half a decade ago makes the Solskjaer appointment feel like an even greater step back.
He might prove to be a success. Solskjaer certainly has the necessary desire and character to will United into improvement, and this squad hardly needs a complete renovation. But the skill at this level is undeniably and understandably lacking, no matter how much all parties want this to work.
Perhaps the most damning aspect of it all is that the defeat to Cardiff barely registered outside of Old Trafford. This is no longer the sort of seismic result that previously shocked United into an immediate response; it is a mere tremor in this man-made disaster of a season"
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 17 seconds ago
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A better read than most of your comments
If we had appointed Poch, and had the same result today, which is possible, would you be writing the same article? I doubt it, you say because we have the comfort of knowing he has what it takes, which is true.
Ole may have too. It is not laughable to point at what he did at Molde, because good management skills can be transferred.
There is no damning aspect, it was a nothing game, to the players at least. It shouldn't be of course, and we all wanted a thumping win to end the season, but it wasn't tactics that caused the poor performance. It was poor play. And yes it is deniable that the skill is lacking, because we don't know if it is or not.
hahaha don't be sour Robb, if you keep on writing nonsense then you'll have to put up with comments. It's either that or filter 95% of the United fans on here who laugh at your opinions.
Good article. Its a long way back now and trusting a novice like Ole is baffling.
Bit of a weird time to sack Ole. We’re currently joint 1sr.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
hahaha don't be sour Robb, if you keep on writing nonsense then you'll have to put up with comments. It's either that or filter 95% of the United fans on here who laugh at your opinions.
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Been a good debate on here tbf. Feel free to join in
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 37 seconds ago
If we had appointed Poch, and had the same result today, which is possible, would you be writing the same article? I doubt it, you say because we have the comfort of knowing he has what it takes, which is true.
Ole may have too. It is not laughable to point at what he did at Molde, because good management skills can be transferred.
There is no damning aspect, it was a nothing game, to the players at least. It shouldn't be of course, and we all wanted a thumping win to end the season, but it wasn't tactics that caused the poor performance. It was poor play. And yes it is deniable that the skill is lacking, because we don't know if it is or not.
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It's true.
His tactics won us opportunities, poor finishing from a kid stooped us from winning.
I'm happy Ole came out and said Greenwood was the best player out there today though. His movement was amazing, we know he can finish, he just seemed nervous today.
From another site...
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I bet the person who wrote that is just sticking knives in to United, kicking them when they are down.I bet they also thought Ole was a good hire at the time. Disingenuous.
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We’ve seen good and bad from Ole, but issues on the pitch are quite clearly the players, it’s been the problem for years.
The issue we have is that all this time we’ve been relying heavily on the coaches to be all encompassing and that’s just not a recipe for success.
Ole will fail, and it’s not because he’s a bad manager, but because the club is not currently set up to succeed.
There’s plans to have a restructure of sorts behind the scenes, and Phelan signing on is promising given the noise about his issues with said structure, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be effective and give the coaching team all the support they need to get us back to the top.
We won’t be getting Simeone or Allegri, nor would I want them.
Ten Hag is an interesting coach, to be fair. I don’t know a lot about him, but he’s obviously overseen an excellent season for Ajax. How much of that is down to his coaching ability I do not know. There are a lot of variables that have influenced Ajax’s rise this season
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posted on 12/5/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
It's not inevitable, it is opinion as you say. We just don't know if he is good enough, but we will find out next season, so let's all wait and see and back him meanwhile.
Also Jose wasn't going to get top 4 with these players this year, and he said so.
Maybe we will compete for top 4 next season while rebuilding the club.
I can wait to find out (I hope ! )
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Me too
I know a lot of people are getting upset by this article but it’s just something I feel strongly about. Massive summer for the club. Really hope they have the balls to sack off a lot of the deadwood but we say that every summer and it rarely happens
posted on 12/5/19
I don’t know why you think Poch will be some sort of saviour Robb, we’ve had better managers flop. The issue isn’t just down to the management, the entire club is run worse than a nursery.
posted on 12/5/19
There’s definitely going to be a big rebuild. Ole’s mentioned it so many times. It’ll be similar to when Van Gaal came in.
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 39 seconds ago
I don’t know why you think Poch will be some sort of saviour Robb, we’ve had better managers flop. The issue isn’t just down to the management, the entire club is run worse than a nursery.
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He’s a superb manager who has improved so many so-so players brilliantly. Look at how well he’s improved a joke player like Sissoko. Spent nothing at all this summer and taken Spurs (once again) into the top 4 and Spurs into the CL final.
No one is guaranteed to succeed at United. But I’d wager my life savings he would be a better choice for us than Ole
posted on 12/5/19
You need to let it go. Pochettino was never going to come.
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 49 seconds ago
You need to let it go. Pochettino was never going to come.
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We’ll never know
posted on 12/5/19
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 39 seconds ago
I don’t know why you think Poch will be some sort of saviour Robb, we’ve had better managers flop. The issue isn’t just down to the management, the entire club is run worse than a nursery.
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He’s a superb manager who has improved so many so-so players brilliantly. Look at how well he’s improved a joke player like Sissoko. Spent nothing at all this summer and taken Spurs (once again) into the top 4 and Spurs into the CL final.
No one is guaranteed to succeed at United. But I’d wager my life savings he would be a better choice for us than Ole
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You would have also wagered your life savings on Jose winning the league within 3 seasons. You'd have lost. There are no guarantees in football. At the moment we have a manager and assistant manager that understands what kind of character it takes to be a united player. They are better qualified than anyone to start rebuilding this squad, even if they don't achieve trophies.
posted on 12/5/19
Yet poch's PL record in the same time as Ole's has been a disaster too (with a better team and better run cub)... If poch'd come in after Jose, you'd be writing Poch out articles, as it suits this bizarre agenda of hating on the next manager after the one you backed.
posted on 12/5/19
Do you not think he was approached? It’s quite obvious he turned us down. And I do not blame him.
posted on 12/5/19
If poch leaves it will be because he gets fed up of how the club Is run
You dont think that he'd therefore want to go to a club where he is happy with how it's being run?
posted on 12/5/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
If poch leaves it will be because he gets fed up of how the club Is run
You dont think that he'd therefore want to go to a club where he is happy with how it's being run?
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Exactly!
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yet poch's PL record in the same time as Ole's has been a disaster too (with a better team and better run cub)... If poch'd come in after Jose, you'd be writing Poch out articles, as it suits this bizarre agenda of hating on the next manager after the one you backed.
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I don’t hate Ole at all
I just have massive doubts he has what it takes and really don’t understand where all this faith in him comes from? He was an excellent player and will always be one of my favourites but he has shown nothing as a manager in the top flight he has what it takes. Even just looking at today in isolation his tactics were shocking. He has no discernible philosophy nor does he have a track record of success for us to go back to to feel reassured he can be what better managers have shown they can’t be.
From another site...
"It is quite the party trick to lose 2-0 at home to a relegated team that sacked you five years ago. That sentence alone betrays the inherent stupidity it required for Manchester United to appoint Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in March.
That it is a choice everyone supported – and many even called for – after the Champions League elimination of PSG is no defence. Ed Woodward is employed by the club not to buy into, play up to or give into the social media frenzy, but to make the cold, calculated business decisions off the pitch to aid progress on it. He is there to ignore the bluster, to cut through the nostalgia and lead United into the future, not on a grand tour of their illustrious past.
Yet here they stand: a battered and bruised shadow of what they were even one or two seasons ago, never mind ten. United plumbed various depths under David Moyes, Louis van Gaal and Jose Mourinho, but two wins in 12 games is a level of failure even Solskjaer’s predecessors would have winced at.
The 1-1 draw away at bottom club Huddersfield seemed like the nadir, yet a 2-0 defeat at home to 18th-placed Cardiff is a new low. The Bluebirds had as many first-half shots at Old Trafford as they had scored away goals in the Premier League all season (11) as United looked disinterested, disjointed and diseased.
Solskjaer’s tactics were wrong, as was the attitude of the majority of his players. This now matches 2013/14 as the most disastrous season in the club’s Premier League history.
United have won as many league games as they did then (19), scoring and conceding one and 11 more respectively. They reached the Champions League quarter-final in both seasons, but a domestic quarter-final and third-round was beaten by a domestic semi-final and third-round five years ago.
Both seasons were also characterised by mistaken managerial appointments seemingly corrected by a shot of sentimentality. That Woodward decided against Ryan Giggs half a decade ago makes the Solskjaer appointment feel like an even greater step back.
He might prove to be a success. Solskjaer certainly has the necessary desire and character to will United into improvement, and this squad hardly needs a complete renovation. But the skill at this level is undeniably and understandably lacking, no matter how much all parties want this to work.
Perhaps the most damning aspect of it all is that the defeat to Cardiff barely registered outside of Old Trafford. This is no longer the sort of seismic result that previously shocked United into an immediate response; it is a mere tremor in this man-made disaster of a season"
posted on 12/5/19
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posted on 12/5/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 17 seconds ago
💩💩💩💩💩
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A better read than most of your comments
posted on 12/5/19
If we had appointed Poch, and had the same result today, which is possible, would you be writing the same article? I doubt it, you say because we have the comfort of knowing he has what it takes, which is true.
Ole may have too. It is not laughable to point at what he did at Molde, because good management skills can be transferred.
There is no damning aspect, it was a nothing game, to the players at least. It shouldn't be of course, and we all wanted a thumping win to end the season, but it wasn't tactics that caused the poor performance. It was poor play. And yes it is deniable that the skill is lacking, because we don't know if it is or not.
posted on 12/5/19
hahaha don't be sour Robb, if you keep on writing nonsense then you'll have to put up with comments. It's either that or filter 95% of the United fans on here who laugh at your opinions.
posted on 12/5/19
Good article. Its a long way back now and trusting a novice like Ole is baffling.
posted on 12/5/19
Bit of a weird time to sack Ole. We’re currently joint 1sr.
posted on 12/5/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
hahaha don't be sour Robb, if you keep on writing nonsense then you'll have to put up with comments. It's either that or filter 95% of the United fans on here who laugh at your opinions.
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Been a good debate on here tbf. Feel free to join in
posted on 12/5/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 37 seconds ago
If we had appointed Poch, and had the same result today, which is possible, would you be writing the same article? I doubt it, you say because we have the comfort of knowing he has what it takes, which is true.
Ole may have too. It is not laughable to point at what he did at Molde, because good management skills can be transferred.
There is no damning aspect, it was a nothing game, to the players at least. It shouldn't be of course, and we all wanted a thumping win to end the season, but it wasn't tactics that caused the poor performance. It was poor play. And yes it is deniable that the skill is lacking, because we don't know if it is or not.
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It's true.
His tactics won us opportunities, poor finishing from a kid stooped us from winning.
I'm happy Ole came out and said Greenwood was the best player out there today though. His movement was amazing, we know he can finish, he just seemed nervous today.
posted on 12/5/19
From another site...
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I bet the person who wrote that is just sticking knives in to United, kicking them when they are down.I bet they also thought Ole was a good hire at the time. Disingenuous.
posted on 12/5/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 12/5/19
We’ve seen good and bad from Ole, but issues on the pitch are quite clearly the players, it’s been the problem for years.
The issue we have is that all this time we’ve been relying heavily on the coaches to be all encompassing and that’s just not a recipe for success.
Ole will fail, and it’s not because he’s a bad manager, but because the club is not currently set up to succeed.
There’s plans to have a restructure of sorts behind the scenes, and Phelan signing on is promising given the noise about his issues with said structure, but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be effective and give the coaching team all the support they need to get us back to the top.
posted on 12/5/19
We won’t be getting Simeone or Allegri, nor would I want them.
Ten Hag is an interesting coach, to be fair. I don’t know a lot about him, but he’s obviously overseen an excellent season for Ajax. How much of that is down to his coaching ability I do not know. There are a lot of variables that have influenced Ajax’s rise this season
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