comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 seconds ago
Another question for United fans, especially ones like TopLad who put stuff like this:
"Spurs fans getting big for their boots after a couple of higher placed finished.
At least we've won a league title in this decade. Spurs won't be the same level as United. You haven't won anything of note, I am hoping you beat Liverpool in the CL final, but if Spurs fans think they're a bigger pull than United and act like this...
Your wage structure isn't even close to ours. The most you've spent on a player is £42mil, not even half of what we bought Pogba for.
You've not even won any trophies in the last 10 years to compare to what we have won. Last year we finished 2nd don't forget."
___________________________
Well, as most of us logical folk have deciphered on this post, we're pretty much at the top of our 'ceiling' at the moment, we're doing extremely well. It remains to be seen whether we will invest to push that ceiling higher. United already have a higher ceiling, but are currently 'on the floor'.
So are we not meant to be happy with how we're doing? We know our wage structure isn't as high as yours and out record transfer isn't even half of yours. Is that meant to be a dig at us? I'm damn proud of it, for one.
We're in a Champions League final. In all likelihood we won't be in one again for at least the next five years, because it's a cup competition. Forgive us for being a bit excited about that?!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't pay too much attention to posts like the one you're replying to.
Most United fans I know are full of admiration for what's happening at Spurs and wish you well for the future, because of how you're run.
Absolutely you should be enjoying it - CL final, beautiful new stadium and a manager who I think it a bit of a genius.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Winston
It's that kind of post which I think is why most United 'fans' get tarred with the same brush, i.e. the sense of 'entitlement', whereas you obviously don't fit the description.
It's probably to do with the success they have grown up with, they don't really understand what it's like to be a Spurs fan now, compared with 15 years ago. If you asked me then if I'd see Spurs in a CL final in my lifetime, I'd would definitely have said no, I won't.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robbing, out of interest, what was your assessment of OGS's tactics (not his general ability as a manager) over the first 10 games or so?
Obviously, the wheels fell off alarmingly later on - and time will tell whether that is symptomatic of Solskjaer being out of his depth or the Mourinho hangover / long-term mismanagement catching up.
For the time being, what interests me is what kind of strategy OGS is setting out. What he articulated from the outset, and what was largely reflected in those cathartic opening victories, was a much more aggressive, proactive, pressing game as a basic approach, combined with some quite thoughtful shifts in formation and team selection, game to game. I didn't hear anyone deriding that as League One tactics.
Obviously, it's all very well planning to play a certain brand of football if you can't make it work. (I've always suspected that David Moyes' masterplan looked great on paper.) You may be proved right next season. Just interested in how a semi-wumming opposition fan genuinely saw the intent behind OGS's football at the outset.
--------------------
Good post RR.
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's. Ultimately I think our squad's lack of fitness caused him to change the tactics towards the end of the season, but moving forwards I expect to see a move back to the tactics he employed in his first few months.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
SpursBoy101 - thanks for your excellent comments throughout this thread.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You too mate. Plenty of sensible posters around here who don't let good debate get ruined.
SpursBoy101 (U21819)
To be honest mate, it's not representative of most United fans - just forum bravado I think.
If you come and stand on the SE then you'll get a more realistic view.
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 7 minutes ago
Another question for United fans, especially ones like TopLad who put stuff like this:
"Spurs fans getting big for their boots after a couple of higher placed finished.
At least we've won a league title in this decade. Spurs won't be the same level as United. You haven't won anything of note, I am hoping you beat Liverpool in the CL final, but if Spurs fans think they're a bigger pull than United and act like this...
Your wage structure isn't even close to ours. The most you've spent on a player is £42mil, not even half of what we bought Pogba for.
You've not even won any trophies in the last 10 years to compare to what we have won. Last year we finished 2nd don't forget."
___________________________
Well, as most of us logical folk have deciphered on this post, we're pretty much at the top of our 'ceiling' at the moment, we're doing extremely well. It remains to be seen whether we will invest to push that ceiling higher. United already have a higher ceiling, but are currently 'on the floor'.
So are we not meant to be happy with how we're doing? We know our wage structure isn't as high as yours and out record transfer isn't even half of yours. Is that meant to be a dig at us? I'm damn proud of it, for one.
We're in a Champions League final. In all likelihood we won't be in one again for at least the next five years, because it's a cup competition. Forgive us for being a bit excited about that?!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It wasn't against you in particular. I have nothing but admiration for the job Poch has done for you with limited funds. I have actually enjoyed watching you this season. Son has been hugely impressive.
It's some of your fellow posters who seem to believe Spurs are suddenly a bigger club for the past 5 years or so.
I hope you do win the CL, you deserve it, and you should be excited about it.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 45 seconds ago
SpursBoy101 (U21819)
To be honest mate, it's not representative of most United fans - just forum bravado I think.
If you come and stand on the SE then you'll get a more realistic view.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
Its as much to do with how much he's changed the set up twice already. Im not sure he's strong enough personality wise. I find the transitions very basic. He's been unable to organise the defence. Pogba deep is bizarre. I could actually go on.
As said though I'll try and reply properly on lunch.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 43 seconds ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
Its as much to do with how much he's changed the set up twice already. Im not sure he's strong enough personality wise. I find the transitions very basic. He's been unable to organise the defence. Pogba deep is bizarre. I could actually go on.
As said though I'll try and reply properly on lunch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kept you lot at bay. Cost you the title too.
Nobody knows yet on Ole. Writing him off before he's bought a single player is where this crazy football world has got to.
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 43 seconds ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
Its as much to do with how much he's changed the set up twice already. Im not sure he's strong enough personality wise. I find the transitions very basic. He's been unable to organise the defence. Pogba deep is bizarre. I could actually go on.
As said though I'll try and reply properly on lunch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kept you lot at bay. Cost you the title too.
Nobody knows yet on Ole. Writing him off before he's bought a single player is where this crazy football world has got to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think saying he cost us the title is as bigger leap as Ive ever seen on 606.
If I am right and all Ive written is true did I actually know?
I find the stance of writing off predictions as unreasonable on a debating forum odd tbh.
"I find the stance of writing off predictions as unreasonable on a debating forum odd tbh."
The point is that at this stage there is simply not enough evidence to state that Ole will fail.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some opinions are based on significantly more logic than others.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 43 seconds ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
Its as much to do with how much he's changed the set up twice already. Im not sure he's strong enough personality wise. I find the transitions very basic. He's been unable to organise the defence. Pogba deep is bizarre. I could actually go on.
As said though I'll try and reply properly on lunch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kept you lot at bay. Cost you the title too.
Nobody knows yet on Ole. Writing him off before he's bought a single player is where this crazy football world has got to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think saying he cost us the title is as bigger leap as Ive ever seen on 606.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did as much as the other few games you didn't win. There weren't many of them.
You win that game, you win the title.
I realize you're loving our current predicament but Ole is being blamed basically for the previous regime mistakes. He's got to be given at least the summer window.
Saying Jose had failed with his own players and then giving the job to Ole without having a chance to change the squad is hardly going to change anything is it?
If offered the same money then I'm not sure United are any more attractive than Spurs atm. United are certainly less attractive than City or Liverpool.
Players will often go where the money is best though and United can blow almost anyone out of the water in that regard
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
------------------
Having read some articles about his time at Molde, that is how he set them up and the tactics he employed there has been likened to Klopp's at Liverpool by Tor-Kristian Karlsen (sporting Director at IK Start).
When Ole first came in we did quite a lot of pressing, but injuries and fitness took their toll. I think that come next season once he was made some signings and had a full pre-season with the squad, we will play a similar game to LFC. It is very short sighted to expect to see the best form a manager/the extent of his tactics when he hasn't had a transfer window or preseason.
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
------------------
Having read some articles about his time at Molde, that is how he set them up and the tactics he employed there has been likened to Klopp's at Liverpool by Tor-Kristian Karlsen (sporting Director at IK Start).
When Ole first came in we did quite a lot of pressing, but injuries and fitness took their toll. I think that come next season once he was made some signings and had a full pre-season with the squad, we will play a similar game to LFC. It is very short sighted to expect to see the best form a manager/the extent of his tactics when he hasn't had a transfer window or preseason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf Ive said many times previously that a decent preseason is the litmus test as it's clear the players were/are not fit enough.
I still feel Ive seen enough though, certainly defensively. Regardless of what he did at Molde Ive seen nothing to suggest at Utd he's that similar to Klopp tactics wise. Quite fast transitions at times maybe.
This isnt just some throw away opinion. I reckon I know what Im talking about.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
----------------------
It is a fair question. From the outside looking in, it appears as though the players had an initial boost and were perhaps running on adrenaline. However, there are obvious fitness problems within the squad and we seem to have suffered in the final weeks. Hopefully once Ole has had a preseason with them they are better conditioned to maintain the same levels throughout the season.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
History shows there is often a 'new manager bounce'. The players lift their game and are happier, the tactics are tweaked, its all rosy for a while. Often a decline follows. Di Matteo is almost a carbon copy. Limited coaching experience. Appointed in March, gets a turn around in performance, wins the Champions League, poor start to the following season and sacked by November.
Few caretaker-to-full-time managers buck that trend and even fewer at the very top of the game where the pressure to succeed is so very high.
I would think most young players, your £40m, £120k per week player would choose spurs now.
——
Not sure why you’d think that.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
New manager bounce coupled with managers not having games to study in order to counter his tactics.
Done.
I'm interested to see how United tackle the Europa League next season. I personally hate the competition and blame our involvement in it in delaying our rise to breaking into the top four.
But obviously nowadays, there is a CL place on offer for the winner, which in my opinion, in a way, is more important than the trophy, which is a farce in itself.
Would Mourinho have taken the competition so seriously in 2016/17, actually stating (if memory serves) that they didn't want to play their last few league games, if it was only the trophy to be won, and not the entry to the CL? I would suspect not.
Interesting to see how Ole approaches it.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
------------------
Having read some articles about his time at Molde, that is how he set them up and the tactics he employed there has been likened to Klopp's at Liverpool by Tor-Kristian Karlsen (sporting Director at IK Start).
When Ole first came in we did quite a lot of pressing, but injuries and fitness took their toll. I think that come next season once he was made some signings and had a full pre-season with the squad, we will play a similar game to LFC. It is very short sighted to expect to see the best form a manager/the extent of his tactics when he hasn't had a transfer window or preseason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf Ive said many times previously that a decent preseason is the litmus test as it's clear the players were/are not fit enough.
I still feel Ive seen enough though, certainly defensively. Regardless of what he did at Molde Ive seen nothing to suggest at Utd he's that similar to Klopp tactics wise. Quite fast transitions at times maybe.
This isnt just some throw away opinion. I reckon I know what Im talking about.
-----------------
But you are basing your opinions on a manager's tactics when he hasn't had the opportunity to bring in the players that best suit his tactics. I don't even think that we have seen the full extent of how Ole wants to approach games. He has just been trying to get to the end of the season and changing tactics to suit the personnel available to him.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
History shows there is often a 'new manager bounce'.
----------------
Tell us about all these managers that have achieved such a bounce.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
------------------
Having read some articles about his time at Molde, that is how he set them up and the tactics he employed there has been likened to Klopp's at Liverpool by Tor-Kristian Karlsen (sporting Director at IK Start).
When Ole first came in we did quite a lot of pressing, but injuries and fitness took their toll. I think that come next season once he was made some signings and had a full pre-season with the squad, we will play a similar game to LFC. It is very short sighted to expect to see the best form a manager/the extent of his tactics when he hasn't had a transfer window or preseason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf Ive said many times previously that a decent preseason is the litmus test as it's clear the players were/are not fit enough.
I still feel Ive seen enough though, certainly defensively. Regardless of what he did at Molde Ive seen nothing to suggest at Utd he's that similar to Klopp tactics wise. Quite fast transitions at times maybe.
This isnt just some throw away opinion. I reckon I know what Im talking about.
-----------------
But you are basing your opinions on a manager's tactics when he hasn't had the opportunity to bring in the players that best suit his tactics. I don't even think that we have seen the full extent of how Ole wants to approach games. He has just been trying to get to the end of the season and changing tactics to suit the personnel available to him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I am. For the reasons Ive stated.
Roy can organise a defence in 6 months.
Sign in if you want to comment
What kinda player will Man Utd go for?
Page 7 of 9
6 | 7 | 8 | 9
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 seconds ago
Another question for United fans, especially ones like TopLad who put stuff like this:
"Spurs fans getting big for their boots after a couple of higher placed finished.
At least we've won a league title in this decade. Spurs won't be the same level as United. You haven't won anything of note, I am hoping you beat Liverpool in the CL final, but if Spurs fans think they're a bigger pull than United and act like this...
Your wage structure isn't even close to ours. The most you've spent on a player is £42mil, not even half of what we bought Pogba for.
You've not even won any trophies in the last 10 years to compare to what we have won. Last year we finished 2nd don't forget."
___________________________
Well, as most of us logical folk have deciphered on this post, we're pretty much at the top of our 'ceiling' at the moment, we're doing extremely well. It remains to be seen whether we will invest to push that ceiling higher. United already have a higher ceiling, but are currently 'on the floor'.
So are we not meant to be happy with how we're doing? We know our wage structure isn't as high as yours and out record transfer isn't even half of yours. Is that meant to be a dig at us? I'm damn proud of it, for one.
We're in a Champions League final. In all likelihood we won't be in one again for at least the next five years, because it's a cup competition. Forgive us for being a bit excited about that?!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't pay too much attention to posts like the one you're replying to.
Most United fans I know are full of admiration for what's happening at Spurs and wish you well for the future, because of how you're run.
Absolutely you should be enjoying it - CL final, beautiful new stadium and a manager who I think it a bit of a genius.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Winston
It's that kind of post which I think is why most United 'fans' get tarred with the same brush, i.e. the sense of 'entitlement', whereas you obviously don't fit the description.
It's probably to do with the success they have grown up with, they don't really understand what it's like to be a Spurs fan now, compared with 15 years ago. If you asked me then if I'd see Spurs in a CL final in my lifetime, I'd would definitely have said no, I won't.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robbing, out of interest, what was your assessment of OGS's tactics (not his general ability as a manager) over the first 10 games or so?
Obviously, the wheels fell off alarmingly later on - and time will tell whether that is symptomatic of Solskjaer being out of his depth or the Mourinho hangover / long-term mismanagement catching up.
For the time being, what interests me is what kind of strategy OGS is setting out. What he articulated from the outset, and what was largely reflected in those cathartic opening victories, was a much more aggressive, proactive, pressing game as a basic approach, combined with some quite thoughtful shifts in formation and team selection, game to game. I didn't hear anyone deriding that as League One tactics.
Obviously, it's all very well planning to play a certain brand of football if you can't make it work. (I've always suspected that David Moyes' masterplan looked great on paper.) You may be proved right next season. Just interested in how a semi-wumming opposition fan genuinely saw the intent behind OGS's football at the outset.
--------------------
Good post RR.
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's. Ultimately I think our squad's lack of fitness caused him to change the tactics towards the end of the season, but moving forwards I expect to see a move back to the tactics he employed in his first few months.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
SpursBoy101 - thanks for your excellent comments throughout this thread.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You too mate. Plenty of sensible posters around here who don't let good debate get ruined.
posted on 17/5/19
SpursBoy101 (U21819)
To be honest mate, it's not representative of most United fans - just forum bravado I think.
If you come and stand on the SE then you'll get a more realistic view.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 7 minutes ago
Another question for United fans, especially ones like TopLad who put stuff like this:
"Spurs fans getting big for their boots after a couple of higher placed finished.
At least we've won a league title in this decade. Spurs won't be the same level as United. You haven't won anything of note, I am hoping you beat Liverpool in the CL final, but if Spurs fans think they're a bigger pull than United and act like this...
Your wage structure isn't even close to ours. The most you've spent on a player is £42mil, not even half of what we bought Pogba for.
You've not even won any trophies in the last 10 years to compare to what we have won. Last year we finished 2nd don't forget."
___________________________
Well, as most of us logical folk have deciphered on this post, we're pretty much at the top of our 'ceiling' at the moment, we're doing extremely well. It remains to be seen whether we will invest to push that ceiling higher. United already have a higher ceiling, but are currently 'on the floor'.
So are we not meant to be happy with how we're doing? We know our wage structure isn't as high as yours and out record transfer isn't even half of yours. Is that meant to be a dig at us? I'm damn proud of it, for one.
We're in a Champions League final. In all likelihood we won't be in one again for at least the next five years, because it's a cup competition. Forgive us for being a bit excited about that?!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It wasn't against you in particular. I have nothing but admiration for the job Poch has done for you with limited funds. I have actually enjoyed watching you this season. Son has been hugely impressive.
It's some of your fellow posters who seem to believe Spurs are suddenly a bigger club for the past 5 years or so.
I hope you do win the CL, you deserve it, and you should be excited about it.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 45 seconds ago
SpursBoy101 (U21819)
To be honest mate, it's not representative of most United fans - just forum bravado I think.
If you come and stand on the SE then you'll get a more realistic view.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 17/5/19
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
Its as much to do with how much he's changed the set up twice already. Im not sure he's strong enough personality wise. I find the transitions very basic. He's been unable to organise the defence. Pogba deep is bizarre. I could actually go on.
As said though I'll try and reply properly on lunch.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 43 seconds ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
Its as much to do with how much he's changed the set up twice already. Im not sure he's strong enough personality wise. I find the transitions very basic. He's been unable to organise the defence. Pogba deep is bizarre. I could actually go on.
As said though I'll try and reply properly on lunch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kept you lot at bay. Cost you the title too.
Nobody knows yet on Ole. Writing him off before he's bought a single player is where this crazy football world has got to.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 43 seconds ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
Its as much to do with how much he's changed the set up twice already. Im not sure he's strong enough personality wise. I find the transitions very basic. He's been unable to organise the defence. Pogba deep is bizarre. I could actually go on.
As said though I'll try and reply properly on lunch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kept you lot at bay. Cost you the title too.
Nobody knows yet on Ole. Writing him off before he's bought a single player is where this crazy football world has got to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think saying he cost us the title is as bigger leap as Ive ever seen on 606.
posted on 17/5/19
If I am right and all Ive written is true did I actually know?
I find the stance of writing off predictions as unreasonable on a debating forum odd tbh.
posted on 17/5/19
"I find the stance of writing off predictions as unreasonable on a debating forum odd tbh."
The point is that at this stage there is simply not enough evidence to state that Ole will fail.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Some opinions are based on significantly more logic than others.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 43 seconds ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
Its as much to do with how much he's changed the set up twice already. Im not sure he's strong enough personality wise. I find the transitions very basic. He's been unable to organise the defence. Pogba deep is bizarre. I could actually go on.
As said though I'll try and reply properly on lunch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kept you lot at bay. Cost you the title too.
Nobody knows yet on Ole. Writing him off before he's bought a single player is where this crazy football world has got to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think saying he cost us the title is as bigger leap as Ive ever seen on 606.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it did as much as the other few games you didn't win. There weren't many of them.
You win that game, you win the title.
I realize you're loving our current predicament but Ole is being blamed basically for the previous regime mistakes. He's got to be given at least the summer window.
Saying Jose had failed with his own players and then giving the job to Ole without having a chance to change the squad is hardly going to change anything is it?
posted on 17/5/19
If offered the same money then I'm not sure United are any more attractive than Spurs atm. United are certainly less attractive than City or Liverpool.
Players will often go where the money is best though and United can blow almost anyone out of the water in that regard
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
------------------
Having read some articles about his time at Molde, that is how he set them up and the tactics he employed there has been likened to Klopp's at Liverpool by Tor-Kristian Karlsen (sporting Director at IK Start).
When Ole first came in we did quite a lot of pressing, but injuries and fitness took their toll. I think that come next season once he was made some signings and had a full pre-season with the squad, we will play a similar game to LFC. It is very short sighted to expect to see the best form a manager/the extent of his tactics when he hasn't had a transfer window or preseason.
posted on 17/5/19
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
posted on 17/5/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
------------------
Having read some articles about his time at Molde, that is how he set them up and the tactics he employed there has been likened to Klopp's at Liverpool by Tor-Kristian Karlsen (sporting Director at IK Start).
When Ole first came in we did quite a lot of pressing, but injuries and fitness took their toll. I think that come next season once he was made some signings and had a full pre-season with the squad, we will play a similar game to LFC. It is very short sighted to expect to see the best form a manager/the extent of his tactics when he hasn't had a transfer window or preseason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf Ive said many times previously that a decent preseason is the litmus test as it's clear the players were/are not fit enough.
I still feel Ive seen enough though, certainly defensively. Regardless of what he did at Molde Ive seen nothing to suggest at Utd he's that similar to Klopp tactics wise. Quite fast transitions at times maybe.
This isnt just some throw away opinion. I reckon I know what Im talking about.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
----------------------
It is a fair question. From the outside looking in, it appears as though the players had an initial boost and were perhaps running on adrenaline. However, there are obvious fitness problems within the squad and we seem to have suffered in the final weeks. Hopefully once Ole has had a preseason with them they are better conditioned to maintain the same levels throughout the season.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
History shows there is often a 'new manager bounce'. The players lift their game and are happier, the tactics are tweaked, its all rosy for a while. Often a decline follows. Di Matteo is almost a carbon copy. Limited coaching experience. Appointed in March, gets a turn around in performance, wins the Champions League, poor start to the following season and sacked by November.
Few caretaker-to-full-time managers buck that trend and even fewer at the very top of the game where the pressure to succeed is so very high.
posted on 17/5/19
I would think most young players, your £40m, £120k per week player would choose spurs now.
——
Not sure why you’d think that.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
New manager bounce coupled with managers not having games to study in order to counter his tactics.
Done.
posted on 17/5/19
I'm interested to see how United tackle the Europa League next season. I personally hate the competition and blame our involvement in it in delaying our rise to breaking into the top four.
But obviously nowadays, there is a CL place on offer for the winner, which in my opinion, in a way, is more important than the trophy, which is a farce in itself.
Would Mourinho have taken the competition so seriously in 2016/17, actually stating (if memory serves) that they didn't want to play their last few league games, if it was only the trophy to be won, and not the entry to the CL? I would suspect not.
Interesting to see how Ole approaches it.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
------------------
Having read some articles about his time at Molde, that is how he set them up and the tactics he employed there has been likened to Klopp's at Liverpool by Tor-Kristian Karlsen (sporting Director at IK Start).
When Ole first came in we did quite a lot of pressing, but injuries and fitness took their toll. I think that come next season once he was made some signings and had a full pre-season with the squad, we will play a similar game to LFC. It is very short sighted to expect to see the best form a manager/the extent of his tactics when he hasn't had a transfer window or preseason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf Ive said many times previously that a decent preseason is the litmus test as it's clear the players were/are not fit enough.
I still feel Ive seen enough though, certainly defensively. Regardless of what he did at Molde Ive seen nothing to suggest at Utd he's that similar to Klopp tactics wise. Quite fast transitions at times maybe.
This isnt just some throw away opinion. I reckon I know what Im talking about.
-----------------
But you are basing your opinions on a manager's tactics when he hasn't had the opportunity to bring in the players that best suit his tactics. I don't even think that we have seen the full extent of how Ole wants to approach games. He has just been trying to get to the end of the season and changing tactics to suit the personnel available to him.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
I asked this question last week and am yet to received an answer.
If United's terrible form in the 4th quarter of the season means Ole is destined to fail, why doesn't United's brilliant form in the 3rd quarter of the season make him destined to succeed?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
History shows there is often a 'new manager bounce'.
----------------
Tell us about all these managers that have achieved such a bounce.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Robbing probably won't like that fact that Ole's tactics are actually very similar to Klopp's.
========
I like ya Elvis but... really? I dont feel that's the case at all.
------------------
Having read some articles about his time at Molde, that is how he set them up and the tactics he employed there has been likened to Klopp's at Liverpool by Tor-Kristian Karlsen (sporting Director at IK Start).
When Ole first came in we did quite a lot of pressing, but injuries and fitness took their toll. I think that come next season once he was made some signings and had a full pre-season with the squad, we will play a similar game to LFC. It is very short sighted to expect to see the best form a manager/the extent of his tactics when he hasn't had a transfer window or preseason.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbf Ive said many times previously that a decent preseason is the litmus test as it's clear the players were/are not fit enough.
I still feel Ive seen enough though, certainly defensively. Regardless of what he did at Molde Ive seen nothing to suggest at Utd he's that similar to Klopp tactics wise. Quite fast transitions at times maybe.
This isnt just some throw away opinion. I reckon I know what Im talking about.
-----------------
But you are basing your opinions on a manager's tactics when he hasn't had the opportunity to bring in the players that best suit his tactics. I don't even think that we have seen the full extent of how Ole wants to approach games. He has just been trying to get to the end of the season and changing tactics to suit the personnel available to him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I am. For the reasons Ive stated.
Roy can organise a defence in 6 months.
Page 7 of 9
6 | 7 | 8 | 9