just stop the conversation when you make childish, off topic, personal comments
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I think youre a tŵat.
Just want to make sure.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
I think the general point here is that 9 league games is not a sufficient period of time to make a judgement about a manager's capabilities.
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Agreed. I'm looking forward to see how he does. At this point I'd say there isn't anyone out there who's a better candidate for beginning the upward trajectory. Two cerebral 'winners' in LVG and Mourinho have tried and failed.
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My hopes for Ole is that he'll turn the ship.
Better style of football, focus on player development over expensive signings, a push for a better club structure and player recruitment.
I'm not of the opinion that he's the next Pep, but that doesn't mean he can't play a big part in United's recovery.
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One of the issue with this is that the top 6 will be even more competitive next season - may be Chelsea will struggle if their transfer ban is upheld.
United, IMO need patience as rebuilding the structure, bringing youth through, making wide spread changes to the squad is going to take time...is that patience there among the fans and the Board?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
I think the general point here is that 9 league games is not a sufficient period of time to make a judgement about a manager's capabilities.
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Agreed. I'm looking forward to see how he does. At this point I'd say there isn't anyone out there who's a better candidate for beginning the upward trajectory. Two cerebral 'winners' in LVG and Mourinho have tried and failed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My hopes for Ole is that he'll turn the ship.
Better style of football, focus on player development over expensive signings, a push for a better club structure and player recruitment.
I'm not of the opinion that he's the next Pep, but that doesn't mean he can't play a big part in United's recovery.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the issue with this is that the top 6 will be even more competitive next season - may be Chelsea will struggle if their transfer ban is upheld.
United, IMO need patience as rebuilding the structure, bringing youth through, making wide spread changes to the squad is going to take time...is that patience there among the fans and the Board?
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I agree with this, but look at Liverpool when Klopp took over, with plenty of idiotic signings still around from Dalglish and Brendan Rodgers, and look where they are now. He's only been there 3 or 4 seasons.
Sure, Klopp already had experience, had won the league in Germany etc. But Ole only really needs to turn the ship as Winston says, to be successful. Get them pointing in the right direction as a club. Anything more than that from him is a bonus.
Winston and Robbing going at it again, oh dear.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Clear the decks.
Out:
De Gea (If he won't sign a new deal/is shot of confidence still in pre-season/a good offer comes in)
Pogba (If a good offer comes in)
CBJ
Rojo
Jones
Darmian
Matic
Fred (If you can recoup within 20m of his fee)
Sanchez (For free if required)
Wilson
Herrera
Mata
Valencia
Young (By any means, he's symbolic of the problem)
Then go an target young, hungry and mostly PL tested players like
Rice
Maguire
Alderweireld
Zaha
Wan-Bissaka
Gueye
Chilwell
Then sprinkle in some quality foreign talent
Such a huge job now it needs two windows but if they are really going to show they mean business bringing in 9-10 players in would kick start them.
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lol
Assorted world class youth
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
I think the general point here is that 9 league games is not a sufficient period of time to make a judgement about a manager's capabilities.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. I'm looking forward to see how he does. At this point I'd say there isn't anyone out there who's a better candidate for beginning the upward trajectory. Two cerebral 'winners' in LVG and Mourinho have tried and failed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My hopes for Ole is that he'll turn the ship.
Better style of football, focus on player development over expensive signings, a push for a better club structure and player recruitment.
I'm not of the opinion that he's the next Pep, but that doesn't mean he can't play a big part in United's recovery.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the issue with this is that the top 6 will be even more competitive next season - may be Chelsea will struggle if their transfer ban is upheld.
United, IMO need patience as rebuilding the structure, bringing youth through, making wide spread changes to the squad is going to take time...is that patience there among the fans and the Board?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Amongst the fans, yes - we just need to see the right direction.
Mourinho is proof of that. 2nd place finish and the fans were very unhappy.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
By the way.....some caretaker managers who have initially done well, got the job before failing soon after:
Mike Phelan at Hull
Craig Shakespear at Leicester
Di Matteo at Chelsea
Darren Moore at WBA
Stuart Gray - Southampton
Gary Monk at Swansea.
I am really struggling to think of a manager who has been appointed on a caretaker or interim basis, been successful, got the job permanently and been a lasting success.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 41 minutes ago
By the way.....some caretaker managers who have initially done well, got the job before failing soon after:
Mike Phelan at Hull
Craig Shakespear at Leicester
Di Matteo at Chelsea
Darren Moore at WBA
Stuart Gray - Southampton
Gary Monk at Swansea.
I am really struggling to think of a manager who has been appointed on a caretaker or interim basis, been successful, got the job permanently and been a lasting success.
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What do you/can you define as a lasting success in a league where managers tend to last less than 1.5 years?
Sorry, that should say 1.05 years.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 44 seconds ago
Sorry, that should say 1.05 years.
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something that exceeds the average. Of the managers listed above i think only Monk exceeded 1 year in the permanent role all the rest were pretty much sacked before Christmas, which isnt the case for a lot of new managers.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 56 minutes ago
By the way.....some caretaker managers who have initially done well, got the job before failing soon after:
Mike Phelan at Hull
Craig Shakespear at Leicester
Di Matteo at Chelsea
Darren Moore at WBA
Stuart Gray - Southampton
Gary Monk at Swansea.
I am really struggling to think of a manager who has been appointed on a caretaker or interim basis, been successful, got the job permanently and been a lasting success.
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Ultimately, the only thing that matters is whether the manager is good enough. A caretaker manager is just a manager and either good enough or not. If he's not good enough, it's not because he magically lost qualities when he was appointed caretaker boss. It's because he wasn't good enough in the first place.
A common thread with a lot of caretakers is that many were already working within the coaching staff at the club. They were familiar with the club and players (an advantage) but probably junior and inexperienced in a senior role (a risk). Solskjaer is a bit different from these, in that he came from a head coach role, and had been occasionally put forward as a candidate for the United job (albeit in a blue skies thinking kind of way). I think it was always on the table that this was a temporary appointment that could turn into a full-time one.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 44 seconds ago
Sorry, that should say 1.05 years.
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something that exceeds the average. Of the managers listed above i think only Monk exceeded 1 year in the permanent role all the rest were pretty much sacked before Christmas, which isnt the case for a lot of new managers.
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Monk had his star striker sold and replaced with a nobody.
Slightly different of course, but Martin Jol was Jacques Santinis assistant with Arnesan as DOF. When santini was sacked, we promoted Jol and as we know he was a success. But as others have said interims rarely make that leap and be successful long term.
They are usually always associated with the club at hand and hence why there is logic in being appointed on an interim basis to plug any holes in an emergency.
At spurs have been on the receiving end of a uplifted poor team with a poor new manager in their first game
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 56 minutes ago
By the way.....some caretaker managers who have initially done well, got the job before failing soon after:
Mike Phelan at Hull
Craig Shakespear at Leicester
Di Matteo at Chelsea
Darren Moore at WBA
Stuart Gray - Southampton
Gary Monk at Swansea.
I am really struggling to think of a manager who has been appointed on a caretaker or interim basis, been successful, got the job permanently and been a lasting success.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultimately, the only thing that matters is whether the manager is good enough. A caretaker manager is just a manager and either good enough or not. If he's not good enough, it's not because he magically lost qualities when he was appointed caretaker boss. It's because he wasn't good enough in the first place.
A common thread with a lot of caretakers is that many were already working within the coaching staff at the club. They were familiar with the club and players (an advantage) but probably junior and inexperienced in a senior role (a risk). Solskjaer is a bit different from these, in that he came from a head coach role, and had been occasionally put forward as a candidate for the United job (albeit in a blue skies thinking kind of way). I think it was always on the table that this was a temporary appointment that could turn into a full-time one.
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Lets face it, if they sacked Jose in the summer would OGS be on the short list?
No, his experience would not deem him "good enough"
He's come in, lifted the place, but by the end United were playing at the same poor levels they were under Jose this season.
Time will tell if he's good enough but there is very little to support a case that he is, nothing in his experience and his time at Utd has been 50% good 50% bad.
I feel that the club is looking backwards too much. SAF did not leave that long ago but football has changed a lot even in that time and the likes of Pep, Klopp, Poch & others have moved it forward, with others at Wolves and Everton also playing a modern brand of football.
United seem to be focussing on what it was like under Fergie, tryng to recreate it with players involved in those days. IMO it matters little, if the players or coach aint good enough then it doesnt matter if they were a Utd hero of yester-year....Hughes, Bruce, Scholes, Neville, Giggs...successful coaches?
Look at City, built a dynasty without the whole glorious backstory to inspire them. No substitute for quality! Is Ole quality, he only got the gig because of his history at the club, fact!
First and foremost stop signing the high profile names that are commercial successes but footballing flops and bring the players that want to play football.
I'm sure there are many EL footballers that could earn 1/4 of what Pogba/Sanchez/De Gea are earning and could put a hell of a lot more effort in and would want to play for the club.
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posted on 17/5/19
just stop the conversation when you make childish, off topic, personal comments
======
I think youre a tŵat.
Just want to make sure.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
I think the general point here is that 9 league games is not a sufficient period of time to make a judgement about a manager's capabilities.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. I'm looking forward to see how he does. At this point I'd say there isn't anyone out there who's a better candidate for beginning the upward trajectory. Two cerebral 'winners' in LVG and Mourinho have tried and failed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My hopes for Ole is that he'll turn the ship.
Better style of football, focus on player development over expensive signings, a push for a better club structure and player recruitment.
I'm not of the opinion that he's the next Pep, but that doesn't mean he can't play a big part in United's recovery.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the issue with this is that the top 6 will be even more competitive next season - may be Chelsea will struggle if their transfer ban is upheld.
United, IMO need patience as rebuilding the structure, bringing youth through, making wide spread changes to the squad is going to take time...is that patience there among the fans and the Board?
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
I think the general point here is that 9 league games is not a sufficient period of time to make a judgement about a manager's capabilities.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. I'm looking forward to see how he does. At this point I'd say there isn't anyone out there who's a better candidate for beginning the upward trajectory. Two cerebral 'winners' in LVG and Mourinho have tried and failed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My hopes for Ole is that he'll turn the ship.
Better style of football, focus on player development over expensive signings, a push for a better club structure and player recruitment.
I'm not of the opinion that he's the next Pep, but that doesn't mean he can't play a big part in United's recovery.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the issue with this is that the top 6 will be even more competitive next season - may be Chelsea will struggle if their transfer ban is upheld.
United, IMO need patience as rebuilding the structure, bringing youth through, making wide spread changes to the squad is going to take time...is that patience there among the fans and the Board?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with this, but look at Liverpool when Klopp took over, with plenty of idiotic signings still around from Dalglish and Brendan Rodgers, and look where they are now. He's only been there 3 or 4 seasons.
Sure, Klopp already had experience, had won the league in Germany etc. But Ole only really needs to turn the ship as Winston says, to be successful. Get them pointing in the right direction as a club. Anything more than that from him is a bonus.
posted on 17/5/19
Winston and Robbing going at it again, oh dear.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
Clear the decks.
Out:
De Gea (If he won't sign a new deal/is shot of confidence still in pre-season/a good offer comes in)
Pogba (If a good offer comes in)
CBJ
Rojo
Jones
Darmian
Matic
Fred (If you can recoup within 20m of his fee)
Sanchez (For free if required)
Wilson
Herrera
Mata
Valencia
Young (By any means, he's symbolic of the problem)
Then go an target young, hungry and mostly PL tested players like
Rice
Maguire
Alderweireld
Zaha
Wan-Bissaka
Gueye
Chilwell
Then sprinkle in some quality foreign talent
Such a huge job now it needs two windows but if they are really going to show they mean business bringing in 9-10 players in would kick start them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
lol
posted on 17/5/19
Assorted world class youth
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 49 seconds ago
I think the general point here is that 9 league games is not a sufficient period of time to make a judgement about a manager's capabilities.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. I'm looking forward to see how he does. At this point I'd say there isn't anyone out there who's a better candidate for beginning the upward trajectory. Two cerebral 'winners' in LVG and Mourinho have tried and failed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My hopes for Ole is that he'll turn the ship.
Better style of football, focus on player development over expensive signings, a push for a better club structure and player recruitment.
I'm not of the opinion that he's the next Pep, but that doesn't mean he can't play a big part in United's recovery.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One of the issue with this is that the top 6 will be even more competitive next season - may be Chelsea will struggle if their transfer ban is upheld.
United, IMO need patience as rebuilding the structure, bringing youth through, making wide spread changes to the squad is going to take time...is that patience there among the fans and the Board?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Amongst the fans, yes - we just need to see the right direction.
Mourinho is proof of that. 2nd place finish and the fans were very unhappy.
posted on 17/5/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/5/19
By the way.....some caretaker managers who have initially done well, got the job before failing soon after:
Mike Phelan at Hull
Craig Shakespear at Leicester
Di Matteo at Chelsea
Darren Moore at WBA
Stuart Gray - Southampton
Gary Monk at Swansea.
I am really struggling to think of a manager who has been appointed on a caretaker or interim basis, been successful, got the job permanently and been a lasting success.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 41 minutes ago
By the way.....some caretaker managers who have initially done well, got the job before failing soon after:
Mike Phelan at Hull
Craig Shakespear at Leicester
Di Matteo at Chelsea
Darren Moore at WBA
Stuart Gray - Southampton
Gary Monk at Swansea.
I am really struggling to think of a manager who has been appointed on a caretaker or interim basis, been successful, got the job permanently and been a lasting success.
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What do you/can you define as a lasting success in a league where managers tend to last less than 1.5 years?
posted on 17/5/19
Sorry, that should say 1.05 years.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 44 seconds ago
Sorry, that should say 1.05 years.
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something that exceeds the average. Of the managers listed above i think only Monk exceeded 1 year in the permanent role all the rest were pretty much sacked before Christmas, which isnt the case for a lot of new managers.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 56 minutes ago
By the way.....some caretaker managers who have initially done well, got the job before failing soon after:
Mike Phelan at Hull
Craig Shakespear at Leicester
Di Matteo at Chelsea
Darren Moore at WBA
Stuart Gray - Southampton
Gary Monk at Swansea.
I am really struggling to think of a manager who has been appointed on a caretaker or interim basis, been successful, got the job permanently and been a lasting success.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultimately, the only thing that matters is whether the manager is good enough. A caretaker manager is just a manager and either good enough or not. If he's not good enough, it's not because he magically lost qualities when he was appointed caretaker boss. It's because he wasn't good enough in the first place.
A common thread with a lot of caretakers is that many were already working within the coaching staff at the club. They were familiar with the club and players (an advantage) but probably junior and inexperienced in a senior role (a risk). Solskjaer is a bit different from these, in that he came from a head coach role, and had been occasionally put forward as a candidate for the United job (albeit in a blue skies thinking kind of way). I think it was always on the table that this was a temporary appointment that could turn into a full-time one.
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 44 seconds ago
Sorry, that should say 1.05 years.
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something that exceeds the average. Of the managers listed above i think only Monk exceeded 1 year in the permanent role all the rest were pretty much sacked before Christmas, which isnt the case for a lot of new managers.
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Monk had his star striker sold and replaced with a nobody.
posted on 17/5/19
Slightly different of course, but Martin Jol was Jacques Santinis assistant with Arnesan as DOF. When santini was sacked, we promoted Jol and as we know he was a success. But as others have said interims rarely make that leap and be successful long term.
They are usually always associated with the club at hand and hence why there is logic in being appointed on an interim basis to plug any holes in an emergency.
At spurs have been on the receiving end of a uplifted poor team with a poor new manager in their first game
posted on 17/5/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 56 minutes ago
By the way.....some caretaker managers who have initially done well, got the job before failing soon after:
Mike Phelan at Hull
Craig Shakespear at Leicester
Di Matteo at Chelsea
Darren Moore at WBA
Stuart Gray - Southampton
Gary Monk at Swansea.
I am really struggling to think of a manager who has been appointed on a caretaker or interim basis, been successful, got the job permanently and been a lasting success.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ultimately, the only thing that matters is whether the manager is good enough. A caretaker manager is just a manager and either good enough or not. If he's not good enough, it's not because he magically lost qualities when he was appointed caretaker boss. It's because he wasn't good enough in the first place.
A common thread with a lot of caretakers is that many were already working within the coaching staff at the club. They were familiar with the club and players (an advantage) but probably junior and inexperienced in a senior role (a risk). Solskjaer is a bit different from these, in that he came from a head coach role, and had been occasionally put forward as a candidate for the United job (albeit in a blue skies thinking kind of way). I think it was always on the table that this was a temporary appointment that could turn into a full-time one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lets face it, if they sacked Jose in the summer would OGS be on the short list?
No, his experience would not deem him "good enough"
He's come in, lifted the place, but by the end United were playing at the same poor levels they were under Jose this season.
Time will tell if he's good enough but there is very little to support a case that he is, nothing in his experience and his time at Utd has been 50% good 50% bad.
I feel that the club is looking backwards too much. SAF did not leave that long ago but football has changed a lot even in that time and the likes of Pep, Klopp, Poch & others have moved it forward, with others at Wolves and Everton also playing a modern brand of football.
United seem to be focussing on what it was like under Fergie, tryng to recreate it with players involved in those days. IMO it matters little, if the players or coach aint good enough then it doesnt matter if they were a Utd hero of yester-year....Hughes, Bruce, Scholes, Neville, Giggs...successful coaches?
Look at City, built a dynasty without the whole glorious backstory to inspire them. No substitute for quality! Is Ole quality, he only got the gig because of his history at the club, fact!
posted on 17/5/19
First and foremost stop signing the high profile names that are commercial successes but footballing flops and bring the players that want to play football.
I'm sure there are many EL footballers that could earn 1/4 of what Pogba/Sanchez/De Gea are earning and could put a hell of a lot more effort in and would want to play for the club.
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