think that does seem to be the strategy

which is a bit frustrating not signing a specialist class player in a position to improve the first xi

like with the Werner thing winger/striker

AM/Winger
ST
LB/LCB

not sure we will sign a back up keeper didnt forster extend another year and also Austin signed a contract. pretty facked if Vicario gets injured but just thinking of the clubs logic

is Gray more of a DM than a box to box/AM then

no idea

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 7 minutes ago
is Gray more of a DM than a box to box/AM then

no idea
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He’s not an AM.

DM/B2B will be where he’ll end up but short term probably be Porros back up

Rodon going the other way for £10m equates to about £8m profit

Gray coming in at £35m over 5 years = £7m annual cost.

So in terms of our books its a neutral impact this season.


If Emerson goes we'll need to clear about £10m to show any sort of profit. If PEH goes then a deal iro £15m would be £10-11m profit

So all in all, dealings so far that will not really be hammering our budgets, so should leave a bit of room for the real spending - the Eze & Toney size deals.

Don't think Gray is a DM but do think we need a proper player in this area.

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It's just football accounting. It kinda assumes that cash is limitless

comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 4 minutes ago
how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Doing the boring Amortization thing to make things look better

comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 54 minutes ago
how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Because we signed him 4 years ago.

For book purposes (FFP/PSR etc) he devalues at an equal rate over the term of his contract. £11m over 5 years = £2.2m a year, so his book value is currently £11m - (4 x £2.2m) = £2.2m. Sell him for £10m and it will read as £7.8m profit on player trading.

Its often why clubs hang on to players for another season even though they contribute little because a year later their book value is lower so you can accept a lower offer and still make a profit or break even, where as a year earlier the same offer would read as a loss.

comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 4 minutes ago
how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Doing the boring Amortization thing to make things look better
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It's how it's assessed in FFP etc so it is absolutely key to a clubs thinking/financial decision making, boring or not.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 4 minutes ago
how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Doing the boring Amortization thing to make things look better
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It's how it's assessed in FFP etc so it is absolutely key to a clubs thinking/financial decision making, boring or not.
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Its absolutely boring and not something fans should be even concerned about.

comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 4 minutes ago
how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Doing the boring Amortization thing to make things look better
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It's how it's assessed in FFP etc so it is absolutely key to a clubs thinking/financial decision making, boring or not.
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Its absolutely boring and not something fans should be even concerned about.
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Dunno man. Wonder if they will include it in football manager games? I was going to say we might need to know about it IF we ever reach our PSR limit but then I remembered Levy lol.

Be nice to know where we stand with PSR all the same. I know Ipswich publish their PSR summary in their accounts. One of very few clubs to do so.

comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
We should repeat the Gray trick and sign a winger that's also happy playing AM. Bonus points if Gil goes the other way
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The cauliflower guy for Italy would be an ideal back up/rotation player for Udogie and Micky.

comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 4 minutes ago
how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Doing the boring Amortization thing to make things look better
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It's how it's assessed in FFP etc so it is absolutely key to a clubs thinking/financial decision making, boring or not.
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Its absolutely boring and not something fans should be even concerned about.
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Dunno man. Wonder if they will include it in football manager games? I was going to say we might need to know about it IF we ever reach our PSR limit but then I remembered Levy lol.

Be nice to know where we stand with PSR all the same. I know Ipswich publish their PSR summary in their accounts. One of very few clubs to do so.
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Yawn.
Have we not just seen all the clubs that were worried get around it.

At no point can it be made we just about to make a profit on Roden. None whatsoever

Also Neto can play both wings and the lad Doue at Rennes has played in 8 different positons during his short career but recently played left wing and CM alot.

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posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 4 minutes ago
how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Doing the boring Amortization thing to make things look better
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It's how it's assessed in FFP etc so it is absolutely key to a clubs thinking/financial decision making, boring or not.
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Its absolutely boring and not something fans should be even concerned about.
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Dunno man. Wonder if they will include it in football manager games? I was going to say we might need to know about it IF we ever reach our PSR limit but then I remembered Levy lol.

Be nice to know where we stand with PSR all the same. I know Ipswich publish their PSR summary in their accounts. One of very few clubs to do so.
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Yawn.
Have we not just seen all the clubs that were worried get around it.

At no point can it be made we just about to make a profit on Roden. None whatsoever
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I thought Devon's explanation made a good point tbf.

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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 4 minutes ago
how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Doing the boring Amortization thing to make things look better
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It's how it's assessed in FFP etc so it is absolutely key to a clubs thinking/financial decision making, boring or not.
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Its absolutely boring and not something fans should be even concerned about.
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Dunno man. Wonder if they will include it in football manager games? I was going to say we might need to know about it IF we ever reach our PSR limit but then I remembered Levy lol.

Be nice to know where we stand with PSR all the same. I know Ipswich publish their PSR summary in their accounts. One of very few clubs to do so.
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Yawn.
Have we not just seen all the clubs that were worried get around it.

At no point can it be made we just about to make a profit on Roden. None whatsoever
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I thought Devon's explanation made a good point tbf.
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Must’ve fell asleep

comment by Bãleș left boot (U22081)
posted 11 hours, 4 minutes ago
I sure hope we can win something with kids
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It was good to see Ange on ITV bigging up the talent at the Euros and especially mentioning 16 yr olds ripping it up and giving more credit to younger players for being more mature than we think.

https://youtu.be/VMy4atgO6gA?si=p3PyrIrna5plHrGE

Just after the two min mark.

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comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
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how have you got Rodon at £8m profit if we signed him for £11m?
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Doing the boring Amortization thing to make things look better
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It's how it's assessed in FFP etc so it is absolutely key to a clubs thinking/financial decision making, boring or not.
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Its absolutely boring and not something fans should be even concerned about.
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Ignorance is bliss and you're a happy man

Around April and May, Dortmund really tried to make things happen to bring Gray to Germany.

But then, Gray decided to wait for opportunities in England and now #Tottenham completed this deal. It's done, just waiting for the official statement."

@FabrizioRomano

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Total wage bill would be deducted from revenue along with other costs. In Rodon's case, Leeds may have paid for his wages for the season he was on loan maybe?

It's confusing because it's not profit and loss in the traditional sense. It's like if you bought an office chair for £100 and used it every day. After 5 years it's basically worn out and worth nothing, a company would expect to throw it away. But if you sell it for £20 you count it as a win even though you've lost money.

With low value players like Rodon it kinda works to say we've done ok. But say we'd got 5m for Ndombele.. the amortization rationale of making a sale sound good wouldn't work, because we've lost so much money for so little return.