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comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
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What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
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comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
I think Neto is more likely than Eze
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comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 9 minutes ago
Spurs want Neto and Eze arrivals
Tottenham want to strike a sensational attacking deal to bring both Pedro Neto and Eberechi Eze to north London this summer, according to Fabrizio Romano.
Speaking on his podcast The Debrief, the transfer guru said: “I think up front is where they are focused. Pedro Neto at Wolves is a player they really like and that is an expensive deal.
"Neto and Eze at Crystal Palace, these are the two players they like the most, but it’s not easy to negotiate with these two clubs.
"Two complicated deals, but Tottenham will do something, they are exploring options and will be active in the next weeks.”
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We all know deep down we won’t do both - will come down to which club out of Palace and Wolves are more malleable with our terms I think.
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comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
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Spurs want Neto and Eze arrivals
Tottenham want to strike a sensational attacking deal to bring both Pedro Neto and Eberechi Eze to north London this summer, according to Fabrizio Romano.
Speaking on his podcast The Debrief, the transfer guru said: “I think up front is where they are focused. Pedro Neto at Wolves is a player they really like and that is an expensive deal.
"Neto and Eze at Crystal Palace, these are the two players they like the most, but it’s not easy to negotiate with these two clubs.
"Two complicated deals, but Tottenham will do something, they are exploring options and will be active in the next weeks.”
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We all know deep down we won’t do both - will come down to which club out of Palace and Wolves are more malleable with our terms I think.
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And I would bloody love to be wrong on that, so if we do get both then please do throw it in my face - I will be delighted
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comment by Number 8ecoglou (U9729)
posted 46 minutes ago
if we sign both, Sandy is somewhere out there, betting that we'll be winning the Champions League this upcoming season...
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I miss Sandy, wish he would come back.
He was just the Spurs side of the GB coin - 2 peas in a pod those 2
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Its a funny stat though "Losing ball in final third" because it doesnt differentiate between losing the ball and being counter attacked, and losing the ball and conceding after a period of opposition possession.
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comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Happened in pre-season games too, notably 2nd half in Korea when Maddison was on the pitch, a better team would have had a hat full
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comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Happened in pre-season games too, notably 2nd half in Korea when Maddison was on the pitch, a better team would have had a hat full
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Every team loses the ball.
It's what happens next that matters.
As a team that routinely has 60%+ possession and 90% passing accuracy, you have to accept we are good in possession but that players who put the ball at risk will also lose it. I do not think you can point at Maddison giving the ball away in the attacking third and us conceding as being Maddison's fault. Its how we press and recover the ball asap that then counts, whoever loses possession.
If you want safe safe sideways, then i would tune out this season!
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
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Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
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What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Happened in pre-season games too, notably 2nd half in Korea when Maddison was on the pitch, a better team would have had a hat full
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Yeah he is a major culprit, his decision making at times is horrible. Probably why we’re looking at Eze because when Maddison is having an off day it’s really noticeable. He is also easy to wind up - I remember Yates for Forest pizzzing him off last season at home and Maddison having a dig he got away with
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
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Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
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What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Happened in pre-season games too, notably 2nd half in Korea when Maddison was on the pitch, a better team would have had a hat full
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Every team loses the ball.
It's what happens next that matters.
As a team that routinely has 60%+ possession and 90% passing accuracy, you have to accept we are good in possession but that players who put the ball at risk will also lose it. I do not think you can point at Maddison giving the ball away in the attacking third and us conceding as being Maddison's fault. Its how we press and recover the ball asap that then counts, whoever loses possession.
If you want safe safe sideways, then i would tune out this season!
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It’s not about taking less chance or being less attacking, it’s making sure that the attacker on the ball will produce more often than not - the better quality if attacker the more likely that is.
I think more than anything else, when a team sits deep against us we struggle without overloading as the likes of BJ and Werner don’t have space to run into, Son always want to cut inside and clutter the middle and Richy is like a pinball machine at times. Kulu tends to be our best bet in those games as he loves quick interchanges on the edge of the box - but our flow as a whole was not quite right and the likes of Eze and Neto can only enhance that
“I think one to note here is Tottenham Hotspur are also strongly interested in McTominay and I think ultimately should be able to outbid Fulham for the player, as well as having higher status and the ability to offer European football to McTominay.” [Duncan Castles]
I would be furious if we signed him, he's basically Sissoko
I think we will see a bit more of Kulu @ no.10 this season. I know he is shot-shy and a bit one footed but he carries the ball well, retains it well and seems better with space ahead of him on either side. I think he provides a bit more of a physical, hard working option to Maddison...also means we can have some pace on the right wing, whether BJ or 🤞Neto🤞.
Most important for me though is some physica l presence up front. I think Richi's output was under rated last year and ruined by his injury record. We cannot be complacent that he will be available all teh time....we need that new striker, someone who also gives the option to get the ball in the box. Deki used to have great success with that angled ball to the back post, often with Kane on the end. Thats a play that needs revisiting but when Richi was injured last season any aerial cross was simply not an option. VS a low block, we need that option.
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I would be furious if we signed him, he's basically Sissoko
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Yeah same. Unless he was free even then wtf
Got to be the agent messing about
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I would be furious if we signed him, he's basically Sissoko
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Yeah same. Unless he was free even then wtf
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I think United are just trying to drum up a bidding war. Fulham offered 20m apparently and you'd imagine Utd would sell if they got 30m+
For both McT and Gallagher I hope and pray we do not waste a bean on these limited players. Im hoping the 30m spent of Gray was the Gallagher money.
I’ll be gutted if we were interested in McT
Shows how far united have fallen …..back in the 90’s I’d have been chuffed to sign anyone from united
They have about 2/3 players I’d want now
Garnacho yeah. Bruno & Sancho but not on those wages.. The rest either aren't grate or wouldn't fit
Why we being linked to sloggers in the midfield and not technical players
Crazy
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Garnacho yeah. Bruno & Sancho but not on those wages.. The rest either aren't grate or wouldn't fit
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I’d go Garnacho rashford and Martinez
Forgot bout shaw …..him too
Just meaning ability wise…..
Can’t stand Bruno , good player but a khunt
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
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Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
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What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
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Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
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What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Spurs want Neto and Eze arrivals
Tottenham want to strike a sensational attacking deal to bring both Pedro Neto and Eberechi Eze to north London this summer, according to Fabrizio Romano.
Speaking on his podcast The Debrief, the transfer guru said: “I think up front is where they are focused. Pedro Neto at Wolves is a player they really like and that is an expensive deal.
"Neto and Eze at Crystal Palace, these are the two players they like the most, but it’s not easy to negotiate with these two clubs.
"Two complicated deals, but Tottenham will do something, they are exploring options and will be active in the next weeks.”
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We all know deep down we won’t do both - will come down to which club out of Palace and Wolves are more malleable with our terms I think.
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Spurs want Neto and Eze arrivals
Tottenham want to strike a sensational attacking deal to bring both Pedro Neto and Eberechi Eze to north London this summer, according to Fabrizio Romano.
Speaking on his podcast The Debrief, the transfer guru said: “I think up front is where they are focused. Pedro Neto at Wolves is a player they really like and that is an expensive deal.
"Neto and Eze at Crystal Palace, these are the two players they like the most, but it’s not easy to negotiate with these two clubs.
"Two complicated deals, but Tottenham will do something, they are exploring options and will be active in the next weeks.”
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We all know deep down we won’t do both - will come down to which club out of Palace and Wolves are more malleable with our terms I think.
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And I would bloody love to be wrong on that, so if we do get both then please do throw it in my face - I will be delighted
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posted 46 minutes ago
if we sign both, Sandy is somewhere out there, betting that we'll be winning the Champions League this upcoming season...
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I miss Sandy, wish he would come back.
He was just the Spurs side of the GB coin - 2 peas in a pod those 2
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Its a funny stat though "Losing ball in final third" because it doesnt differentiate between losing the ball and being counter attacked, and losing the ball and conceding after a period of opposition possession.
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Happened in pre-season games too, notably 2nd half in Korea when Maddison was on the pitch, a better team would have had a hat full
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posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Happened in pre-season games too, notably 2nd half in Korea when Maddison was on the pitch, a better team would have had a hat full
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Every team loses the ball.
It's what happens next that matters.
As a team that routinely has 60%+ possession and 90% passing accuracy, you have to accept we are good in possession but that players who put the ball at risk will also lose it. I do not think you can point at Maddison giving the ball away in the attacking third and us conceding as being Maddison's fault. Its how we press and recover the ball asap that then counts, whoever loses possession.
If you want safe safe sideways, then i would tune out this season!
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posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
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I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
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I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Happened in pre-season games too, notably 2nd half in Korea when Maddison was on the pitch, a better team would have had a hat full
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Yeah he is a major culprit, his decision making at times is horrible. Probably why we’re looking at Eze because when Maddison is having an off day it’s really noticeable. He is also easy to wind up - I remember Yates for Forest pizzzing him off last season at home and Maddison having a dig he got away with
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So you do not consider Porro a CB?
We are very short in the midfield. Madison is past his prime by a long way. Hojbjerg is gone to a better club.
Who are you suggesting play in our midfield?
And yes,...we need a striker.
Looks like Aussieglue is getting hung out to dry!
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He is a RB Ted
Do you actually watch Spurs, like ever? Cos you seem to know faaaack all - and I don’t mean that in a - I don’t agree with your opinion sort of way, I mean you genuinely seem to know sweet FA
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well,if you know the difference between an RCB and an RB in Aussieglue's book you should let us all know.
Please!
Tell us below!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What are you even trying to claim here Ted - it sounds like you think Porro plays really narrow and I almost like a 3rd CB - which could t be further from the truth. Like Danny says, Porro is more like a RWB, very very attacking.
Do you actually watch Spurs? Genuine question
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I'd actually disagree with you all, both Porro and Udogie play inverted, so they are narrow but only in advanced positions.
When we defend we do defend quite narrow, small gaps between the back 4, not often much wider than the width of the box.
Both full backs rarely overlap, you are more likely to find them in or edge of box than hitting the byeline.
It is not an unusual tactic and played by the likes of City & Arsenal to great effect.
The key difference is that Spurs tend to have both in advanced positions at the same time. Sometimes you will see Porro & Udogie a few yards from each other in the final third. This is, in my opinion the part of our tactics that needs tweaking and it doesnt necessarily mean they stop doing this (may be a reduced amount) but that actually the rest of the team, our shape, needs to adjust in these moments to ensure we are not overly exposed when we lose possession.
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They play narrow at times but Porro is often horribly exposed due to being so high up the pitch. How anyone can think he is a CB is beyond me - a truly astonishing take from Ted
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it requires a different mindset....bit like how people assess TAA. These players are meant to be up the pitch. If we are countered against, the FBs are not exposed because they are almost not expected to be there. What is expected is cover from midfield and CB, buying time for others to recover position.
One cannot really be critical if Porror or Udogie are caught upfield. They are following instructions.
What I would like to see is better positioning and decision making from them when the ball is not on their side of the pitch. We need the fluidity their movement brings but within an overall structure that still provides a shape that provides cover. That structure needs to see others react and get their positioning right.
For example, it you take Porro, Sarr, Bentancur and Bissouma, of all these 4 if I want one of them arriving in the box & receiving the ball, being in a position to score, then it's Porro because he has the best skills and instincts in these positions. So i am happy for him to be there, but the others needs to allow this to happen while retaining good team shape. Their positioning needs to reflect Porro's movement, the space he has left, where the danger is as well as the opportunities. But its not even that simple because all players are all moving so its constant, quick decision making and positioning, it its very demanding on a football intelligence level...may be its too demanding to expect such fluidity and maintaining good shape that doesnt over expose us.
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Well Ange needs to rethink it whatever happens. Taking all the tactical intricacies aside, the bottom line is we concede too many goals, in particular we concede too many goals when an attacking move breaks down - and that’s usually because unlike what Ted says, Porro and Udogie play nothing like CBs and are instead in and around the oppo penalty box.
There is an argument that better attacking players means we will retain the ball better and moves will break down less often - I can get on board with that. Additionally though - you have to wonder if this is why Gallagher was wanted, a more defensively minded CM who can plug large gaps quickly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not sure we do concede that many goals on the counter attack. We concede a lot of chances and our defending does become stretched and a bit last ditch, but not many pure counter attacking goals against spring to my mind. Think we've let in more from set pieces.
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Nope, we conceded 14 from set pieces of the 61 against - goals against after losing the ball in the final third was 17/18 if memory serves.
It’s a major issue for us, particularly with certain combos up top - we over commit, lose the ball and get done. I find when Maddison is in one of his off periods it becomes even worse.
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Happened in pre-season games too, notably 2nd half in Korea when Maddison was on the pitch, a better team would have had a hat full
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Every team loses the ball.
It's what happens next that matters.
As a team that routinely has 60%+ possession and 90% passing accuracy, you have to accept we are good in possession but that players who put the ball at risk will also lose it. I do not think you can point at Maddison giving the ball away in the attacking third and us conceding as being Maddison's fault. Its how we press and recover the ball asap that then counts, whoever loses possession.
If you want safe safe sideways, then i would tune out this season!
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It’s not about taking less chance or being less attacking, it’s making sure that the attacker on the ball will produce more often than not - the better quality if attacker the more likely that is.
I think more than anything else, when a team sits deep against us we struggle without overloading as the likes of BJ and Werner don’t have space to run into, Son always want to cut inside and clutter the middle and Richy is like a pinball machine at times. Kulu tends to be our best bet in those games as he loves quick interchanges on the edge of the box - but our flow as a whole was not quite right and the likes of Eze and Neto can only enhance that
posted on 1/8/24
“I think one to note here is Tottenham Hotspur are also strongly interested in McTominay and I think ultimately should be able to outbid Fulham for the player, as well as having higher status and the ability to offer European football to McTominay.” [Duncan Castles]
posted on 1/8/24
I would be furious if we signed him, he's basically Sissoko
posted on 1/8/24
I think we will see a bit more of Kulu @ no.10 this season. I know he is shot-shy and a bit one footed but he carries the ball well, retains it well and seems better with space ahead of him on either side. I think he provides a bit more of a physical, hard working option to Maddison...also means we can have some pace on the right wing, whether BJ or 🤞Neto🤞.
Most important for me though is some physica l presence up front. I think Richi's output was under rated last year and ruined by his injury record. We cannot be complacent that he will be available all teh time....we need that new striker, someone who also gives the option to get the ball in the box. Deki used to have great success with that angled ball to the back post, often with Kane on the end. Thats a play that needs revisiting but when Richi was injured last season any aerial cross was simply not an option. VS a low block, we need that option.
posted on 1/8/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 15 minutes ago
I would be furious if we signed him, he's basically Sissoko
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Yeah same. Unless he was free even then wtf
posted on 1/8/24
Got to be the agent messing about
posted on 1/8/24
comment by BãleČ™ left boot in the jungle (U22081)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 15 minutes ago
I would be furious if we signed him, he's basically Sissoko
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Yeah same. Unless he was free even then wtf
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I think United are just trying to drum up a bidding war. Fulham offered 20m apparently and you'd imagine Utd would sell if they got 30m+
For both McT and Gallagher I hope and pray we do not waste a bean on these limited players. Im hoping the 30m spent of Gray was the Gallagher money.
posted on 1/8/24
I’ll be gutted if we were interested in McT
Shows how far united have fallen …..back in the 90’s I’d have been chuffed to sign anyone from united
They have about 2/3 players I’d want now
posted on 1/8/24
Garnacho yeah. Bruno & Sancho but not on those wages.. The rest either aren't grate or wouldn't fit
posted on 1/8/24
Why we being linked to sloggers in the midfield and not technical players
Crazy
posted on 1/8/24
comment by BãleČ™ left boot in the jungle (U22081)
posted 34 minutes ago
Garnacho yeah. Bruno & Sancho but not on those wages.. The rest either aren't grate or wouldn't fit
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I’d go Garnacho rashford and Martinez
Forgot bout shaw …..him too
Just meaning ability wise…..
Can’t stand Bruno , good player but a khunt
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