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Ask ANY manager..."would you like to have done all your transfer dealings by now?"

Guess what the answer would be.

Here is a list of all the premier league teams who have finished their transfer business for the summer:

#fucckinnoneofthem
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Well Everton likely have, but I take your point

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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MysticMug
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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MysticMug
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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If be down for Daniel Levy no matter what, even if he burnt your house down and pizzzed on the ashes was an Olympic sport, Levyshire would always win Gold.

Does he pat you on the head and tell you how good you are Levyshire?

It's not a few million though is it Dev! We still don't have an agreement with Milan for Royal yet the gap between their bid and our price is less than a million and we've rejected it. It's sweating the small stuff on sales which impacts our focus and ambition on buys. I just don't see this kind of haggling from any of the big teams, ever. You could argue that it's this haggling that has seen us so financially secure for the last 20 years but we've barely won anything.

If you're haggling over a few hundred thousand, it makes you less likely to gamble on that title-winning player for 70-80m. That's the point.

You also talk about no manager getting their targets in early but it was very well reported that Ange and the recruitment team knew who they wanted before the window even opened yet no movement has taken place. Getting players in early at the request of your manager shows backing. It shows you're on board with his ideas. Hesitancy and delay shows you maybe don't have the guts to go on that journey. I don't think it's as insignificant as you think it is, particularly so early on in his tenure. Now is the time to back him more than ever.

I suspect, and I posted about this possibility over a year ago, that our new data model approach to signings, whilst sensible in many ways, gives Levy the perfect excuse not to spend big when it's necessary. If the Eze price is 65m and he baulks, the first thing he'll say is "who's cheaper on out data modelling software?". It's a primed and ready system easily used to justify the unambitious. I think he'll abuse it and use the data to go cheaper whenever he can but occasionally you need a superstar. Not wildly out of our price range. Just a maverick primed and ready to go.

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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MysticMug
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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You don't know what negotiations go on. Arsenal just bought Calafiori for £40m. Was that the asking price, did they haggle over terms of payment. Why didnt they buy him weeks ago?...You dont know shiiit so do not pretend you do.

As for saving a few million....we have helf outr on Emerson sale as AC offered £8m. Reportedly now another £5m on the table.

If we hold out to save a few million on Toney, then thats say £3m saved. - £8m saved between the 2.

That may be the difference between us getting Eze or not !

Like most teams, we will not likely start the season with all our transfer dealings done.

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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MysticMug
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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You don't know what negotiations go on. Arsenal just bought Calafiori for £40m. Was that the asking price, did they haggle over terms of payment. Why didnt they buy him weeks ago?...You dont know shiiit so do not pretend you do.

As for saving a few million....we have helf outr on Emerson sale as AC offered £8m. Reportedly now another £5m on the table.

If we hold out to save a few million on Toney, then thats say £3m saved. - £8m saved between the 2.

That may be the difference between us getting Eze or not !

Like most teams, we will not likely start the season with all our transfer dealings done.


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The difference is they got Calafiori in before the season started - you know as well as I do we will still be “considering our options” “preparing to bid” “made contact with” post the second game of the season against Everton

You are more or less the last Levy hold out on here, I don’t know what you see in him.

The few million saved - who pays the highest wages in football to board members? - I know the answer and I know you also know it

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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MysticMug
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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You don't know what negotiations go on. Arsenal just bought Calafiori for £40m. Was that the asking price, did they haggle over terms of payment. Why didnt they buy him weeks ago?...You dont know shiiit so do not pretend you do.

As for saving a few million....we have helf outr on Emerson sale as AC offered £8m. Reportedly now another £5m on the table.

If we hold out to save a few million on Toney, then thats say £3m saved. - £8m saved between the 2.

That may be the difference between us getting Eze or not !

Like most teams, we will not likely start the season with all our transfer dealings done.


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The difference is they got Calafiori in before the season started - you know as well as I do we will still be “considering our options” “preparing to bid” “made contact with” post the second game of the season against Everton

You are more or less the last Levy hold out on here, I don’t know what you see in him.

The few million saved - who pays the highest wages in football to board members? - I know the answer and I know you also know it


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The point you were making was about cost, not timing.

Did they save a few million? Did they haggle a bit to get a deal done? and when did these discussions start?

You don't know so you cannot say we act a way no one else does.

Why havent Liverpool bought anyone yet?

Was paying what Lyon wanted for NDombele and giving him massive wages to "act like a big club" the right thing to do? That transfer alone has been a £20m annual hit to our finances every year for 5 years and his inhibited other dealings in that time. He was 'done early'

This mirage that big clubs spend without question and get players in early and that's how they win things is just an illusion. Yes, a club of huge status will find it easier to get big deals done, but, like Utd, they will also find that they will get bent over more easily.

I would prefer our owners to make the very best of the clubs money and act in the overall best interest of the club. Its a tough balance to find and i suspect we will see some action soon and may be some late in the window, and that's a fair balance IMO.

Let’s not forget when we signed Modric from Dinamo Zagreb, their chairman asked for a couple of Spurs shirts as a gift - something that costs us very little. What did Danny boy do - deducted the price of the shirts from the transfer fee we paid.

He would scalp you if Dandruff had a going rate

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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MysticMug
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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You don't know what negotiations go on. Arsenal just bought Calafiori for £40m. Was that the asking price, did they haggle over terms of payment. Why didnt they buy him weeks ago?...You dont know shiiit so do not pretend you do.

As for saving a few million....we have helf outr on Emerson sale as AC offered £8m. Reportedly now another £5m on the table.

If we hold out to save a few million on Toney, then thats say £3m saved. - £8m saved between the 2.

That may be the difference between us getting Eze or not !

Like most teams, we will not likely start the season with all our transfer dealings done.


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The difference is they got Calafiori in before the season started - you know as well as I do we will still be “considering our options” “preparing to bid” “made contact with” post the second game of the season against Everton

You are more or less the last Levy hold out on here, I don’t know what you see in him.

The few million saved - who pays the highest wages in football to board members? - I know the answer and I know you also know it


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The point you were making was about cost, not timing.

Did they save a few million? Did they haggle a bit to get a deal done? and when did these discussions start?

You don't know so you cannot say we act a way no one else does.

Why havent Liverpool bought anyone yet?

Was paying what Lyon wanted for NDombele and giving him massive wages to "act like a big club" the right thing to do? That transfer alone has been a £20m annual hit to our finances every year for 5 years and his inhibited other dealings in that time. He was 'done early'

This mirage that big clubs spend without question and get players in early and that's how they win things is just an illusion. Yes, a club of huge status will find it easier to get big deals done, but, like Utd, they will also find that they will get bent over more easily.

I would prefer our owners to make the very best of the clubs money and act in the overall best interest of the club. Its a tough balance to find and i suspect we will see some action soon and may be some late in the window, and that's a fair balance IMO.

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It’s fine with some deals, but by the same token you have to just bite the bullet at times.

Like you said, neither of us know what happened with Calafiori beyond they got him in before the season started.

Your point about Ndombele is completely redundant - it wouldn’t have mattered if we bought him the first day of the window or the last, we still would have bought him and it would have been a waste of money. That’s on the scouting - we can’t say “ahhhh schitt, we faaaacked up on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon so we’re never gonna buy a player again”

Think through your arguments Levyshire, get them to make sense

Whether the player works out or not is a different issue, we’re talking about when they come in - big clubs get most of their business done before the season kicks off - we often do not though.

As for Liverpool - they have a new man, he probably wants to assess the squad in what is a transitional year for them - Ange meanwhile was talking pushing for the title in year 2 and we’ve backed him by spending £40m on an 18 year old

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I suspect, and I posted about this possibility over a year ago, that our new data model approach to signings, whilst sensible in many ways, gives Levy the perfect excuse not to spend big when it's necessary. If the Eze price is 65m and he baulks, the first thing he'll say is "who's cheaper on out data modelling software?". It's a primed and ready system easily used to justify the unambitious. I think he'll abuse it and use the data to go cheaper whenever he can but occasionally you need a superstar. Not wildly out of our price range. Just a maverick primed and ready to go.

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Say Eze is our target asking price £60m

But Eze has been linked with City and Liverpool too.

Seemingly, no one has bid for him.

If he's City's target, why haven't they got the deal done, or Liverpool? Big clubs right?? Why has no one bought him yet.

Big clubs act fast and pay the fees...so this must mean Eze is going nowhere because no one has bought him yet.

What i care about is who we get, not when.

If we sold Richi today then yes, i would want a new FWD in now to give them pre-season. But for now, so long as we bring in another quality striker then timing is very much secondary.

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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You don't know what negotiations go on. Arsenal just bought Calafiori for £40m. Was that the asking price, did they haggle over terms of payment. Why didnt they buy him weeks ago?...You dont know shiiit so do not pretend you do.

As for saving a few million....we have helf outr on Emerson sale as AC offered £8m. Reportedly now another £5m on the table.

If we hold out to save a few million on Toney, then thats say £3m saved. - £8m saved between the 2.

That may be the difference between us getting Eze or not !

Like most teams, we will not likely start the season with all our transfer dealings done.


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The difference is they got Calafiori in before the season started - you know as well as I do we will still be “considering our options” “preparing to bid” “made contact with” post the second game of the season against Everton

You are more or less the last Levy hold out on here, I don’t know what you see in him.

The few million saved - who pays the highest wages in football to board members? - I know the answer and I know you also know it


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The point you were making was about cost, not timing.

Did they save a few million? Did they haggle a bit to get a deal done? and when did these discussions start?

You don't know so you cannot say we act a way no one else does.

Why havent Liverpool bought anyone yet?

Was paying what Lyon wanted for NDombele and giving him massive wages to "act like a big club" the right thing to do? That transfer alone has been a £20m annual hit to our finances every year for 5 years and his inhibited other dealings in that time. He was 'done early'

This mirage that big clubs spend without question and get players in early and that's how they win things is just an illusion. Yes, a club of huge status will find it easier to get big deals done, but, like Utd, they will also find that they will get bent over more easily.

I would prefer our owners to make the very best of the clubs money and act in the overall best interest of the club. Its a tough balance to find and i suspect we will see some action soon and may be some late in the window, and that's a fair balance IMO.

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It’s fine with some deals, but by the same token you have to just bite the bullet at times.

Like you said, neither of us know what happened with Calafiori beyond they got him in before the season started.

Your point about Ndombele is completely redundant - it wouldn’t have mattered if we bought him the first day of the window or the last, we still would have bought him and it would have been a waste of money. That’s on the scouting - we can’t say “ahhhh schitt, we faaaacked up on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon so we’re never gonna buy a player again”

Think through your arguments Levyshire, get them to make sense

Whether the player works out or not is a different issue, we’re talking about when they come in - big clubs get most of their business done before the season kicks off - we often do not though.

As for Liverpool - they have a new man, he probably wants to assess the squad in what is a transitional year for them - Ange meanwhile was talking pushing for the title in year 2 and we’ve backed him by spending £40m on an 18 year old
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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.

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The point you were making was about cost, not timing.

Did they save a few million? Did they haggle a bit to get a deal done? and when did these discussions start?

You don't know so you cannot say we act a way no one else does.

Why havent Liverpool bought anyone yet?

Was paying what Lyon wanted for NDombele and giving him massive wages to "act like a big club" the right thing to do? That transfer alone has been a £20m annual hit to our finances every year for 5 years and his inhibited other dealings in that time. He was 'done early'

This mirage that big clubs spend without question and get players in early and that's how they win things is just an illusion. Yes, a club of huge status will find it easier to get big deals done, but, like Utd, they will also find that they will get bent over more easily.

I would prefer our owners to make the very best of the clubs money and act in the overall best interest of the club. Its a tough balance to find and i suspect we will see some action soon and may be some late in the window, and that's a fair balance IMO.

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It’s fine with some deals, but by the same token you have to just bite the bullet at times.

Like you said, neither of us know what happened with Calafiori beyond they got him in before the season started.

Your point about Ndombele is completely redundant - it wouldn’t have mattered if we bought him the first day of the window or the last, we still would have bought him and it would have been a waste of money. That’s on the scouting - we can’t say “ahhhh schitt, we faaaacked up on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon so we’re never gonna buy a player again”

Think through your arguments Levyshire, get them to make sense

Whether the player works out or not is a different issue, we’re talking about when they come in - big clubs get most of their business done before the season kicks off - we often do not though.

As for Liverpool - they have a new man, he probably wants to assess the squad in what is a transitional year for them - Ange meanwhile was talking pushing for the title in year 2 and we’ve backed him by spending £40m on an 18 year old
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NDombele is far from a redundant point.

It shows that we got our target in, we paid the price, we paid the big club wages....it guarantees absolutely feck'all

Utd acted all big clubby getting in Antony, Chelsea with Mudryk, they even gazumped the gooons...thats a big club with big balls acting like a big club YEAH! Both shiiit!

What matters most is the RIGHT BUYS at the RIGHT PRICE, not when.

As for LFC, and their new man.....we had a new man last summer and had Maddison and Vicario in before the end of June! VDV before the season started, and we had no DoF. Our only late buy last season was Johnson and that was after Kane was sold...another myth!

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I suspect, and I posted about this possibility over a year ago, that our new data model approach to signings, whilst sensible in many ways, gives Levy the perfect excuse not to spend big when it's necessary. If the Eze price is 65m and he baulks, the first thing he'll say is "who's cheaper on out data modelling software?". It's a primed and ready system easily used to justify the unambitious. I think he'll abuse it and use the data to go cheaper whenever he can but occasionally you need a superstar. Not wildly out of our price range. Just a maverick primed and ready to go.

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Say Eze is our target asking price £60m

But Eze has been linked with City and Liverpool too.

Seemingly, no one has bid for him.

If he's City's target, why haven't they got the deal done, or Liverpool? Big clubs right?? Why has no one bought him yet.

Big clubs act fast and pay the fees...so this must mean Eze is going nowhere because no one has bought him yet.

What i care about is who we get, not when.

If we sold Richi today then yes, i would want a new FWD in now to give them pre-season. But for now, so long as we bring in another quality striker then timing is very much secondary.
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Liverpool have a new man taking his time to assess properly and City bought Savio instead ?

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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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This is made up. The only thing on record on this was that Spurs bid 45m + 20m add-ons. It was the only serious bid from anyone. They did not accept the add-ons.

Those add-ons included winning the PL and UCL.

As a team that had come 2nd in the PL and just reached the UCL final, that was the Lisbon's presidents call.

There is nothing to substantiate that 5m more would have done the deal.

Indeed United paid 55m + 25m, so thats 10m more up front and 5m more in add ons - 15m more altogether.

(all prices euros)

Did we have that money? after already spending quite heavily that summer?

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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You don't know what negotiations go on. Arsenal just bought Calafiori for £40m. Was that the asking price, did they haggle over terms of payment. Why didnt they buy him weeks ago?...You dont know shiiit so do not pretend you do.

As for saving a few million....we have helf outr on Emerson sale as AC offered £8m. Reportedly now another £5m on the table.

If we hold out to save a few million on Toney, then thats say £3m saved. - £8m saved between the 2.

That may be the difference between us getting Eze or not !

Like most teams, we will not likely start the season with all our transfer dealings done.


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The difference is they got Calafiori in before the season started - you know as well as I do we will still be “considering our options” “preparing to bid” “made contact with” post the second game of the season against Everton

You are more or less the last Levy hold out on here, I don’t know what you see in him.

The few million saved - who pays the highest wages in football to board members? - I know the answer and I know you also know it


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The point you were making was about cost, not timing.

Did they save a few million? Did they haggle a bit to get a deal done? and when did these discussions start?

You don't know so you cannot say we act a way no one else does.

Why havent Liverpool bought anyone yet?

Was paying what Lyon wanted for NDombele and giving him massive wages to "act like a big club" the right thing to do? That transfer alone has been a £20m annual hit to our finances every year for 5 years and his inhibited other dealings in that time. He was 'done early'

This mirage that big clubs spend without question and get players in early and that's how they win things is just an illusion. Yes, a club of huge status will find it easier to get big deals done, but, like Utd, they will also find that they will get bent over more easily.

I would prefer our owners to make the very best of the clubs money and act in the overall best interest of the club. Its a tough balance to find and i suspect we will see some action soon and may be some late in the window, and that's a fair balance IMO.

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It’s fine with some deals, but by the same token you have to just bite the bullet at times.

Like you said, neither of us know what happened with Calafiori beyond they got him in before the season started.

Your point about Ndombele is completely redundant - it wouldn’t have mattered if we bought him the first day of the window or the last, we still would have bought him and it would have been a waste of money. That’s on the scouting - we can’t say “ahhhh schitt, we faaaacked up on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon so we’re never gonna buy a player again”

Think through your arguments Levyshire, get them to make sense

Whether the player works out or not is a different issue, we’re talking about when they come in - big clubs get most of their business done before the season kicks off - we often do not though.

As for Liverpool - they have a new man, he probably wants to assess the squad in what is a transitional year for them - Ange meanwhile was talking pushing for the title in year 2 and we’ve backed him by spending £40m on an 18 year old
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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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Penny rich and pound poor

You are right, Levyshire won’t hear it though

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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You don't know what negotiations go on. Arsenal just bought Calafiori for £40m. Was that the asking price, did they haggle over terms of payment. Why didnt they buy him weeks ago?...You dont know shiiit so do not pretend you do.

As for saving a few million....we have helf outr on Emerson sale as AC offered £8m. Reportedly now another £5m on the table.

If we hold out to save a few million on Toney, then thats say £3m saved. - £8m saved between the 2.

That may be the difference between us getting Eze or not !

Like most teams, we will not likely start the season with all our transfer dealings done.


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The difference is they got Calafiori in before the season started - you know as well as I do we will still be “considering our options” “preparing to bid” “made contact with” post the second game of the season against Everton

You are more or less the last Levy hold out on here, I don’t know what you see in him.

The few million saved - who pays the highest wages in football to board members? - I know the answer and I know you also know it


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The point you were making was about cost, not timing.

Did they save a few million? Did they haggle a bit to get a deal done? and when did these discussions start?

You don't know so you cannot say we act a way no one else does.

Why havent Liverpool bought anyone yet?

Was paying what Lyon wanted for NDombele and giving him massive wages to "act like a big club" the right thing to do? That transfer alone has been a £20m annual hit to our finances every year for 5 years and his inhibited other dealings in that time. He was 'done early'

This mirage that big clubs spend without question and get players in early and that's how they win things is just an illusion. Yes, a club of huge status will find it easier to get big deals done, but, like Utd, they will also find that they will get bent over more easily.

I would prefer our owners to make the very best of the clubs money and act in the overall best interest of the club. Its a tough balance to find and i suspect we will see some action soon and may be some late in the window, and that's a fair balance IMO.

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It’s fine with some deals, but by the same token you have to just bite the bullet at times.

Like you said, neither of us know what happened with Calafiori beyond they got him in before the season started.

Your point about Ndombele is completely redundant - it wouldn’t have mattered if we bought him the first day of the window or the last, we still would have bought him and it would have been a waste of money. That’s on the scouting - we can’t say “ahhhh schitt, we faaaacked up on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon so we’re never gonna buy a player again”

Think through your arguments Levyshire, get them to make sense

Whether the player works out or not is a different issue, we’re talking about when they come in - big clubs get most of their business done before the season kicks off - we often do not though.

As for Liverpool - they have a new man, he probably wants to assess the squad in what is a transitional year for them - Ange meanwhile was talking pushing for the title in year 2 and we’ve backed him by spending £40m on an 18 year old
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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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Penny rich and pound poor

You are right, Levyshire won’t hear it though
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Ive got to pop out for 30 minutes....do us a favour though, pull up a list of top spending clubs in the last 5 years....lets see how pound poor we've been

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The point you were making was about cost, not timing.

Did they save a few million? Did they haggle a bit to get a deal done? and when did these discussions start?

You don't know so you cannot say we act a way no one else does.

Why havent Liverpool bought anyone yet?

Was paying what Lyon wanted for NDombele and giving him massive wages to "act like a big club" the right thing to do? That transfer alone has been a £20m annual hit to our finances every year for 5 years and his inhibited other dealings in that time. He was 'done early'

This mirage that big clubs spend without question and get players in early and that's how they win things is just an illusion. Yes, a club of huge status will find it easier to get big deals done, but, like Utd, they will also find that they will get bent over more easily.

I would prefer our owners to make the very best of the clubs money and act in the overall best interest of the club. Its a tough balance to find and i suspect we will see some action soon and may be some late in the window, and that's a fair balance IMO.

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It’s fine with some deals, but by the same token you have to just bite the bullet at times.

Like you said, neither of us know what happened with Calafiori beyond they got him in before the season started.

Your point about Ndombele is completely redundant - it wouldn’t have mattered if we bought him the first day of the window or the last, we still would have bought him and it would have been a waste of money. That’s on the scouting - we can’t say “ahhhh schitt, we faaaacked up on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon so we’re never gonna buy a player again”

Think through your arguments Levyshire, get them to make sense

Whether the player works out or not is a different issue, we’re talking about when they come in - big clubs get most of their business done before the season kicks off - we often do not though.

As for Liverpool - they have a new man, he probably wants to assess the squad in what is a transitional year for them - Ange meanwhile was talking pushing for the title in year 2 and we’ve backed him by spending £40m on an 18 year old
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NDombele is far from a redundant point.

It shows that we got our target in, we paid the price, we paid the big club wages....it guarantees absolutely feck'all

Utd acted all big clubby getting in Antony, Chelsea with Mudryk, they even gazumped the gooons...thats a big club with big balls acting like a big club YEAH! Both shiiit!

What matters most is the RIGHT BUYS at the RIGHT PRICE, not when.

As for LFC, and their new man.....we had a new man last summer and had Maddison and Vicario in before the end of June! VDV before the season started, and we had no DoF. Our only late buy last season was Johnson and that was after Kane was sold...another myth!
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Yeah - we had finished 8th and hadn’t won a pot for 20 years plus. Liverpool finished third, won the league cup and have been in 3 of the last 6 CL finals - Slot probably thinks he has a bit of a squad to work with, Ange knew we had faaaack all beyond Romero and Son once Kane was sold - think things through Levyshire.

Ndombele is irrelevant - that deal did not go wrong because we bought him early, it went wrong because he never gave a schitt about the club.

Big sides get their main deals done early and don’t charge the opposite chairman £84 for a couple of Spurs shirts

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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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This is made up. The only thing on record on this was that Spurs bid 45m + 20m add-ons. It was the only serious bid from anyone. They did not accept the add-ons.

Those add-ons included winning the PL and UCL.

As a team that had come 2nd in the PL and just reached the UCL final, that was the Lisbon's presidents call.

There is nothing to substantiate that 5m more would have done the deal.

Indeed United paid 55m + 25m, so thats 10m more up front and 5m more in add ons - 15m more altogether.

(all prices euros)

Did we have that money? after already spending quite heavily that summer?
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Yes, a hundred times yes, the money has always been there - I’ve already proven today we had £400m in FFP headroom in 2021 and our owner at the time was a multi billionaire - in what world was the money not actually available?

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If it’s Toney then we’re definitely in “couldn’t get our real target territory” - we’re only interested because he is cheap.

Eze/Neto - I believe both were primary targets and players Ange wants, so that will be good at least.
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Well - it doesn’t make any sense otherwise does it? We would have got Toney a long time ago. Now there new striker has a serious injury and they don’t have a replacement so the fee has gone up of anything

Eze/Neto - it’s been well reported, even by Ali they were prime targets - we put a box in for Eze and his entourage last season
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Toney is in the last year of his contract.

That makes his value drop day by day.

Spurs enquired about Raya last June, were quoted 40m, scoffed at it, moved on to Vicario and 6 weeks later Brentford are willing to loan Raya out and take less money in a year.

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So instead of getting a player in to be available for the start of the season, Levy is again potentially compromising our start to the season over a few million.

Remember when he tried that with BJ last year and Forest chose to risk a points deduction rather than sell on the cheap before the deadline
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"A few million"

Feckin Spurs fans talking about "a few million" like it's pocket change.

Next you'll be moaning about ticket prices

If bed wetting was an Olympic sport.......

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Yes Levyshire a few million

That few million could see us finish 4th instead of 5th like last season or 7th instead of 8th like the season before that - Europe or no Europe, CL or Europa.

You don’t see Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or United operating in this way - we just have a small time mentality at board level.

Oh and Ticket prices will rise regardless - they went up after we finished 8th FFS

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You don't know what negotiations go on. Arsenal just bought Calafiori for £40m. Was that the asking price, did they haggle over terms of payment. Why didnt they buy him weeks ago?...You dont know shiiit so do not pretend you do.

As for saving a few million....we have helf outr on Emerson sale as AC offered £8m. Reportedly now another £5m on the table.

If we hold out to save a few million on Toney, then thats say £3m saved. - £8m saved between the 2.

That may be the difference between us getting Eze or not !

Like most teams, we will not likely start the season with all our transfer dealings done.


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The difference is they got Calafiori in before the season started - you know as well as I do we will still be “considering our options” “preparing to bid” “made contact with” post the second game of the season against Everton

You are more or less the last Levy hold out on here, I don’t know what you see in him.

The few million saved - who pays the highest wages in football to board members? - I know the answer and I know you also know it


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The point you were making was about cost, not timing.

Did they save a few million? Did they haggle a bit to get a deal done? and when did these discussions start?

You don't know so you cannot say we act a way no one else does.

Why havent Liverpool bought anyone yet?

Was paying what Lyon wanted for NDombele and giving him massive wages to "act like a big club" the right thing to do? That transfer alone has been a £20m annual hit to our finances every year for 5 years and his inhibited other dealings in that time. He was 'done early'

This mirage that big clubs spend without question and get players in early and that's how they win things is just an illusion. Yes, a club of huge status will find it easier to get big deals done, but, like Utd, they will also find that they will get bent over more easily.

I would prefer our owners to make the very best of the clubs money and act in the overall best interest of the club. Its a tough balance to find and i suspect we will see some action soon and may be some late in the window, and that's a fair balance IMO.

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It’s fine with some deals, but by the same token you have to just bite the bullet at times.

Like you said, neither of us know what happened with Calafiori beyond they got him in before the season started.

Your point about Ndombele is completely redundant - it wouldn’t have mattered if we bought him the first day of the window or the last, we still would have bought him and it would have been a waste of money. That’s on the scouting - we can’t say “ahhhh schitt, we faaaacked up on Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon so we’re never gonna buy a player again”

Think through your arguments Levyshire, get them to make sense

Whether the player works out or not is a different issue, we’re talking about when they come in - big clubs get most of their business done before the season kicks off - we often do not though.

As for Liverpool - they have a new man, he probably wants to assess the squad in what is a transitional year for them - Ange meanwhile was talking pushing for the title in year 2 and we’ve backed him by spending £40m on an 18 year old
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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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Penny rich and pound poor

You are right, Levyshire won’t hear it though
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Ive got to pop out for 30 minutes....do us a favour though, pull up a list of top spending clubs in the last 5 years....lets see how pound poor we've been
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We spend well - me and you have discussed that many a time and I always agree with you.

What you always concede to me on is that both our transfer strategy and overall strategy with how the football club is run is a shambles. We could buy Toney for £40m now and have him ready for the start of the season or we can wait until we’re 3 games in and pay £35m - once again gambling that those 3 games won’t make a difference - yet we’ve missed Europe and CL in the last 2 seasons by wafer thin margins

Have a think on that Levyshire

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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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This is made up. The only thing on record on this was that Spurs bid 45m + 20m add-ons. It was the only serious bid from anyone. They did not accept the add-ons.

Those add-ons included winning the PL and UCL.

As a team that had come 2nd in the PL and just reached the UCL final, that was the Lisbon's presidents call.

There is nothing to substantiate that 5m more would have done the deal.

Indeed United paid 55m + 25m, so thats 10m more up front and 5m more in add ons - 15m more altogether.

(all prices euros)

Did we have that money? after already spending quite heavily that summer?
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The ball park is roughly accurate. The point is that based on finances we most definitely had, having qualified for the CL for 5 straight years, we could have got our prime target for a little more money or perhaps altered add-ons. The president's call means nothing because he eventually sold him later in the same window to United. If it was a "he's not for sale at any price" thing, I'd take your point, there'd be nothing Levy could have done but he was for sale for a little more than we offered.

We walked away, bought Lo Celso at a cheaper rate and the rest is history. That entire deal I think sums up where Levy's focus is. Obviously no signing is a guarantee and it's easier in hindsight but if you have someone lined up as your number one target but don't pull the trigger, I'm sorry but that really does lack ambition. The winners in this league aren't focused on turning a profit. They're focus is on success and if they get it, the money rolls in. It's the gamblers that breed success. Not those that consolidate.

The very fact we've won 2 trophies in 34 years, 25 of them under Levy, is scandalous when you consider we pay the highest ticket prices in the league. Levy is a profit man. Pure and simple.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago

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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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This is made up. The only thing on record on this was that Spurs bid 45m + 20m add-ons. It was the only serious bid from anyone. They did not accept the add-ons.

Those add-ons included winning the PL and UCL.

As a team that had come 2nd in the PL and just reached the UCL final, that was the Lisbon's presidents call.

There is nothing to substantiate that 5m more would have done the deal.

Indeed United paid 55m + 25m, so thats 10m more up front and 5m more in add ons - 15m more altogether.

(all prices euros)

Did we have that money? after already spending quite heavily that summer?
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The ball park is roughly accurate. The point is that based on finances we most definitely had, having qualified for the CL for 5 straight years, we could have got our prime target for a little more money or perhaps altered add-ons. The president's call means nothing because he eventually sold him later in the same window to United. If it was a "he's not for sale at any price" thing, I'd take your point, there'd be nothing Levy could have done but he was for sale for a little more than we offered.

We walked away, bought Lo Celso at a cheaper rate and the rest is history. That entire deal I think sums up where Levy's focus is. Obviously no signing is a guarantee and it's easier in hindsight but if you have someone lined up as your number one target but don't pull the trigger, I'm sorry but that really does lack ambition. The winners in this league aren't focused on turning a profit. They're focus is on success and if they get it, the money rolls in. It's the gamblers that breed success. Not those that consolidate.

The very fact we've won 2 trophies in 34 years, 25 of them under Levy, is scandalous when you consider we pay the highest ticket prices in the league. Levy is a profit man. Pure and simple.
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I wouldn’t even argue it Fridge - it’s beyond any doubt that the money was there and always has been.

That’s why he responded with the expenditure stuff - Levyshire does it every time, he won’t let you say a bad thing about his Daniel

Disappointed no one posted the last 5 years spending. Wonder why

As the fab Fab would say....HERE WE GO:

Source - Transfermkt
Period 20/21 - 24/25. Price in Euros

Chelsea: 1.57bn
Utd: 776m
City: 752m
Arsenal: 752m
Spurs: 710m

others.....
Villa 618m
Liverpool 488m
NUFC 565m

This goes to my points that:

1. We are not pound poor. We have spent near as much as the others, bar silly Chelsea.

2. So why are we not their equals? Because we havent spent it well enough.

Ergo...it's WHO we buy that counts most, not necessarily how much they cost and when we bought them.

There are numerous examples of players we brough in early, not delivering.
Players we've spent a lot of money on, not working out.
Players we brought in late, turning out to be great!
Players we've spent small sums on being fantastic.

I will wait to see where we get to come 1st Sept and judge from there

comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago

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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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This is made up. The only thing on record on this was that Spurs bid 45m + 20m add-ons. It was the only serious bid from anyone. They did not accept the add-ons.

Those add-ons included winning the PL and UCL.

As a team that had come 2nd in the PL and just reached the UCL final, that was the Lisbon's presidents call.

There is nothing to substantiate that 5m more would have done the deal.

Indeed United paid 55m + 25m, so thats 10m more up front and 5m more in add ons - 15m more altogether.

(all prices euros)

Did we have that money? after already spending quite heavily that summer?
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The ball park is roughly accurate. The point is that based on finances we most definitely had, having qualified for the CL for 5 straight years, we could have got our prime target for a little more money or perhaps altered add-ons. The president's call means nothing because he eventually sold him later in the same window to United. If it was a "he's not for sale at any price" thing, I'd take your point, there'd be nothing Levy could have done but he was for sale for a little more than we offered.

We walked away, bought Lo Celso at a cheaper rate and the rest is history. That entire deal I think sums up where Levy's focus is. Obviously no signing is a guarantee and it's easier in hindsight but if you have someone lined up as your number one target but don't pull the trigger, I'm sorry but that really does lack ambition. The winners in this league aren't focused on turning a profit. They're focus is on success and if they get it, the money rolls in. It's the gamblers that breed success. Not those that consolidate.

The very fact we've won 2 trophies in 34 years, 25 of them under Levy, is scandalous when you consider we pay the highest ticket prices in the league. Levy is a profit man. Pure and simple.
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I wouldn’t even argue it Fridge - it’s beyond any doubt that the money was there and always has been.

That’s why he responded with the expenditure stuff - Levyshire does it every time, he won’t let you say a bad thing about his Daniel
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You can also guarantee that if our kids do miraculously turn it on and get us in the top four, Levy won't look at that as a trigger to kick on and by a marquee signing or two to win is the league, he'll freeze spending just as he did under Poch because he'll believe those within our price range won't improve what we already have. He's a good owner for a club if you're top ten looking to push on and get in the European places, but he doesn't have the bottle needed to compete with those that regularly win trophies. It takes a different mindset because as you say, the finances are there to do it.

buy

comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 6 minutes ago

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I actually think the signings that year are relevant. Not so much Ndombele as you're right, that was just a scouting disaster, but Dev has conveniently not mentioned that the signing of Lo Celso was precisely because we didn't want to commit and 5-10m on Fernandes, who Poch wanted and the player was also keen. We went for the cheaper option and got massively stung for it.
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This is made up. The only thing on record on this was that Spurs bid 45m + 20m add-ons. It was the only serious bid from anyone. They did not accept the add-ons.

Those add-ons included winning the PL and UCL.

As a team that had come 2nd in the PL and just reached the UCL final, that was the Lisbon's presidents call.

There is nothing to substantiate that 5m more would have done the deal.

Indeed United paid 55m + 25m, so thats 10m more up front and 5m more in add ons - 15m more altogether.

(all prices euros)

Did we have that money? after already spending quite heavily that summer?
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The ball park is roughly accurate. The point is that based on finances we most definitely had, having qualified for the CL for 5 straight years, we could have got our prime target for a little more money or perhaps altered add-ons. The president's call means nothing because he eventually sold him later in the same window to United. If it was a "he's not for sale at any price" thing, I'd take your point, there'd be nothing Levy could have done but he was for sale for a little more than we offered.

We walked away, bought Lo Celso at a cheaper rate and the rest is history. That entire deal I think sums up where Levy's focus is. Obviously no signing is a guarantee and it's easier in hindsight but if you have someone lined up as your number one target but don't pull the trigger, I'm sorry but that really does lack ambition. The winners in this league aren't focused on turning a profit. They're focus is on success and if they get it, the money rolls in. It's the gamblers that breed success. Not those that consolidate.

The very fact we've won 2 trophies in 34 years, 25 of them under Levy, is scandalous when you consider we pay the highest ticket prices in the league. Levy is a profit man. Pure and simple.
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I wouldn’t even argue it Fridge - it’s beyond any doubt that the money was there and always has been.

That’s why he responded with the expenditure stuff - Levyshire does it every time, he won’t let you say a bad thing about his Daniel
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"Beyond any doubt the money was there"

Well how can I argue against that gold plated knowledge