The reason common assault is listed as a violent crime is because violence is used to define common assault

'[Common assault] is committed by a person who causes another person to apprehend the immediate use of unlawful violence by the defendant."

So I was wrong to say common assault isn't intrinsically violent - apologies for that.

But the question of "is throwing a drink over someone an example of 'unlawful violence'?" Still remains. The courts clearly have a different opinion to me - violence is defined by the Violence Prevention Alliance as;

"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

I dont believe throwing a drink over someone falls under this

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Everyone saying she could have been armed and you have no idea what a terrorist looks like blah blah blah, you do realise she was wearing a massive sashe that said climate change, a fellow protester was reading a speech about climate change, and the girl grabbed was holding leaflets.

You honestly telling me anyone in that room thought she was armed

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The only thing she was armed with was facts and knowledge.

Everything Right Wingers Hate.
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And yet you're the one calling anyone right of Stalin sc@m who deserve violence.

Every single thing you post reeks of hate.

I pity you
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Deserve violence?


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Wee Tommy Ten names absolutely deserved it. He deserves far worse


Bi polar much?
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No, but he has a severe Coke habit that his fan club fund through PayPal.

Legal definitions aren’t infallible.

comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Legal definitions aren’t infallible.
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Agreed

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet&__twitter_impression=true

Police called to Boris’s home.

The circus rolls on.

comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
The reason common assault is listed as a violent crime is because violence is used to define common assault

'[Common assault] is committed by a person who causes another person to apprehend the immediate use of unlawful violence by the defendant."

So I was wrong to say common assault isn't intrinsically violent - apologies for that.

But the question of "is throwing a drink over someone an example of 'unlawful violence'?" Still remains. The courts clearly have a different opinion to me - violence is defined by the Violence Prevention Alliance as;

"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

I dont believe throwing a drink over someone falls under this
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I'm sorry but you're taking too far a logical leap there. You don't know how someone will react to an act like that, they may laugh it off but be humiliated. Just because you know Farage is a blustering bloke who can handle it you still have to apply the law evenly as you would if someone did it to the most vulnerable member of society.

We have a long tradition of protest that I'm all for but that didn't include common assault or damaging someone's private property. That will just escalate the issue.

Who gets to decide how much assault is violence? Or how upset a person is for suffering it? It can't be done

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Everyone saying she could have been armed and you have no idea what a terrorist looks like blah blah blah, you do realise she was wearing a massive sashe that said climate change, a fellow protester was reading a speech about climate change, and the girl grabbed was holding leaflets.

You honestly telling me anyone in that room thought she was armed

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The only thing she was armed with was facts and knowledge.

Everything Right Wingers Hate.
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And yet you're the one calling anyone right of Stalin sc@m who deserve violence.

Every single thing you post reeks of hate.

I pity you
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Deserve violence?


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Wee Tommy Ten names absolutely deserved it. He deserves far worse


Bi polar much?
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No, but he has a severe Coke habit that his fan club fund through PayPal.
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And so deserve being what? Beaten up, killed?

comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
The reason common assault is listed as a violent crime is because violence is used to define common assault

'[Common assault] is committed by a person who causes another person to apprehend the immediate use of unlawful violence by the defendant."

So I was wrong to say common assault isn't intrinsically violent - apologies for that.

But the question of "is throwing a drink over someone an example of 'unlawful violence'?" Still remains. The courts clearly have a different opinion to me - violence is defined by the Violence Prevention Alliance as;

"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

I dont believe throwing a drink over someone falls under this
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I'm sorry but you're taking too far a logical leap there. You don't know how someone will react to an act like that, they may laugh it off but be humiliated. Just because you know Farage is a blustering bloke who can handle it you still have to apply the law evenly as you would if someone did it to the most vulnerable member of society.

We have a long tradition of protest that I'm all for but that didn't include common assault or damaging someone's private property. That will just escalate the issue.

Who gets to decide how much assault is violence? Or how upset a person is for suffering it? It can't be done
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How they react to it isn't relevant - humiliation isn't physical harm. Violence requires physical harm.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet&__twitter_impression=true

Police called to Boris’s home.

The circus rolls on.
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Bloody hell, what is it with these Tories and violence against women????


Hope she’s ok.

comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
The reason common assault is listed as a violent crime is because violence is used to define common assault

'[Common assault] is committed by a person who causes another person to apprehend the immediate use of unlawful violence by the defendant."

So I was wrong to say common assault isn't intrinsically violent - apologies for that.

But the question of "is throwing a drink over someone an example of 'unlawful violence'?" Still remains. The courts clearly have a different opinion to me - violence is defined by the Violence Prevention Alliance as;

"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

I dont believe throwing a drink over someone falls under this
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I'm sorry but you're taking too far a logical leap there. You don't know how someone will react to an act like that, they may laugh it off but be humiliated. Just because you know Farage is a blustering bloke who can handle it you still have to apply the law evenly as you would if someone did it to the most vulnerable member of society.

We have a long tradition of protest that I'm all for but that didn't include common assault or damaging someone's private property. That will just escalate the issue.

Who gets to decide how much assault is violence? Or how upset a person is for suffering it? It can't be done
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How they react to it isn't relevant - humiliation isn't physical harm. Violence requires physical harm.
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No it doesnt.

Are you saying that abusive partners that destroy their other halves life's without laying a hand on them aren't committing violence against that person?

What would you call physiological torment?

What about putting a gun close to someone's face and telling them you're going to kill them, non violent crime?

comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
The reason common assault is listed as a violent crime is because violence is used to define common assault

'[Common assault] is committed by a person who causes another person to apprehend the immediate use of unlawful violence by the defendant."

So I was wrong to say common assault isn't intrinsically violent - apologies for that.

But the question of "is throwing a drink over someone an example of 'unlawful violence'?" Still remains. The courts clearly have a different opinion to me - violence is defined by the Violence Prevention Alliance as;

"the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

I dont believe throwing a drink over someone falls under this
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I'm sorry but you're taking too far a logical leap there. You don't know how someone will react to an act like that, they may laugh it off but be humiliated. Just because you know Farage is a blustering bloke who can handle it you still have to apply the law evenly as you would if someone did it to the most vulnerable member of society.

We have a long tradition of protest that I'm all for but that didn't include common assault or damaging someone's private property. That will just escalate the issue.

Who gets to decide how much assault is violence? Or how upset a person is for suffering it? It can't be done
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How they react to it isn't relevant - humiliation isn't physical harm. Violence requires physical harm.
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No it doesnt.

Are you saying that abusive partners that destroy their other halves life's without laying a hand on them aren't committing violence against that person?

What would you call physiological torment?

What about putting a gun close to someone's face and telling them you're going to kill them, non violent crime?


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The first one is emotional abuse.

The second one is psychological torment.

The third one is the threat of violence.

You cant just call every shiiitty act an act of violence

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posted 23 seconds ago
You cant just call every shiiitty act an act of violence
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Literally the fear of force being used against you, like in the examples I gave are part of the definition of assault.

Battery is when you actually apply unlawful assault.

Both are violent.

Furthermore why do you want people doing this in civilised society?

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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
Violence and racism seem to be becoming the norm, this is the sort of behaviour which was also allowed in the 1930s, until it become an unstoppable train, and we all know what happened thereafter.
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You are a racist, filtering people because they have a different opinion than you.
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That's not racism you melt
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I know you facking no mark caaant, since when do you take me serious?

comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 23 seconds ago
You cant just call every shiiitty act an act of violence
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Literally the fear of force being used against you, like in the examples I gave are part of the definition of assault.

Battery is when you actually apply unlawful assault.

Both are violent.

Furthermore why do you want people doing this in civilised society?
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Stop using legal definitions instead of the definitions of the actual words.

Violence, by definition, requires physical force. That is actually a fact.

I dont want people in society to do this. I'm just telling you that it's not violent because it isn't violent.

Hope you called the police?

On wait, there aren’t any, The Tories got rid of them all.
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Actually the Mayor of London is responsible for funding the Metropolitan Police

comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Moussa Chrissoko (U20930)
posted 23 seconds ago
You cant just call every shiiitty act an act of violence
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Literally the fear of force being used against you, like in the examples I gave are part of the definition of assault.

Battery is when you actually apply unlawful assault.

Both are violent.

Furthermore why do you want people doing this in civilised society?
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No, not particularly.

I didn’t want Farage, Yaxley -Lennon, or Johnson whipping up years of racist hate either, but I got that.

Didn’t want a huge spike in racist hate crime and far right terrorist activity, got that too.

I really didn’t want the Tories to kill 120,000 poor and disabled citizens through their abhorrent austerity policies, but hey, what do you know!

Not keen on school kids rummaging through bins at school for food, but ho hum.

As Sir Mick once sung, you can’t always get what you want.

comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 23 seconds ago
Hope you called the police?

On wait, there aren’t any, The Tories got rid of them all.
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Actually the Mayor of London is responsible for funding the Metropolitan Police
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Actually Theresa May cut 20’000 police officers.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/21/mark-field-video-male-violence-minister-female-protester?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1561136806

comment by Yoda's big brother Hulk (U1250)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Yoda's big brother Hulk (U1250)
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
Violence and racism seem to be becoming the norm, this is the sort of behaviour which was also allowed in the 1930s, until it become an unstoppable train, and we all know what happened thereafter.
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You are a racist, filtering people because they have a different opinion than you.
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That's not racism you melt
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I know you facking no mark caaant, since when do you take me serious?
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No mark, weird thing that saying...

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Meh.

What you ever done to help anybody? Nothing.

Hush up.

comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 7 minutes ago
What is this mess.. Sizzle accusing the older generations of doing nothing 🙄if only they had computers back then to spend their days abusing people behind a computer... New poster for sizzle in this war effort... Your country does not need you 🤣
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Did you fight in the war?

Nah, didn’t think so. Stop hanging off the coattails of our war dead.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/21/greenpeace-delivered-the-truth-about-the-climate-crisis-and-mark-field-couldnt-cope-10025704/?ito=article.mweb.share.top.twitter

Caroline Lucas

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