comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can go from winning nothing to winning the CL, why not? He almost pulled it off.
I always thought it was FatSam who was best mates with Fergie, not t'other way round.
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Of course it's possible but the fact remains he didn't win it, he hasn't won anything. It's that mental thing about getting that 1st trophy under your belt, I'm sure if they would've prioritised winning something in the past they would've had better success now.
When I say Spurs I mean the board/Levy who run the club.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
He's one of the best managers on the planet. Even though he hasn't had the money to get any player he wants, he's clearly shown his ability to coach and develop individuals and teams. I'd imagine with unlimited funds and a board than can give the support you ideally need he would flourish.
Even without trophies, what he and Spurs have achieved in recent years has been highly impressive.
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Wenger did that non stop for decades and was derided. On a tighter budget than Spurs!
Its just double standards.
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What, in Spurs fans opinion, is the first and second team at Tottenham right now?
Wenger did a brilliant job at Arsenal though and is regarded as one of the finest managers in the PL era. I would say though that he struggled with the move to the Emirates and his teams declined from that point, although understandably. Poch on the other hand has made improvements on the club while they've had the stadium transition.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 seconds ago
Wenger did a brilliant job at Arsenal though and is regarded as one of the finest managers in the PL era. I would say though that he struggled with the move to the Emirates and his teams declined from that point, although understandably. Poch on the other hand has made improvements on the club while they've had the stadium transition.
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Out of interest why is it understandable that Wenger declined when Arsenal moved to their new stadium ?
Are you expecting Poch to decline now that Spurs have moved into their new stadium ?
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
He's one of the best managers on the planet. Even though he hasn't had the money to get any player he wants, he's clearly shown his ability to coach and develop individuals and teams. I'd imagine with unlimited funds and a board than can give the support you ideally need he would flourish.
Even without trophies, what he and Spurs have achieved in recent years has been highly impressive.
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Wenger did that non stop for decades and was derided. On a tighter budget than Spurs!
Its just double standards.
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On a much bigger wage structure, I think.
Because he wasn't able to compete financially with other clubs because of the restrictions the new stadium brought. I also think that his best years as a manager were behind him at that point and his ability to cherry pick the best French players no longer doable.
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills. I'd also say he's probably got quite a few more years at the top of his game seeing as he's 10 years younger than Wenger was when they both moved grounds.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
He's one of the best managers on the planet. Even though he hasn't had the money to get any player he wants, he's clearly shown his ability to coach and develop individuals and teams. I'd imagine with unlimited funds and a board than can give the support you ideally need he would flourish.
Even without trophies, what he and Spurs have achieved in recent years has been highly impressive.
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Wenger did that non stop for decades and was derided. On a tighter budget than Spurs!
Its just double standards.
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On a much bigger wage structure, I think.
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Nope. We were in a far worse situation. Arsenal's move was financed by the sale and development of the old ground into flats. Arsenal were then hit by financial crisis of 2008/9 and a global recession. Those flats were sold at a far reduced prices and Wenger was forced to sell a top player a season to finance the shortfall. This is why we sold Henry, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Kolo, Adebayor, Song, RVP, Cesc etc.
That only stopped in 2012 when Arsenal were taken over by Stan Kroenke and Usmanov and that their own problems till Stan Kroenke became full owner in 2016/17.
Poch has it easy by comparison.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
Because he wasn't able to compete financially with other clubs because of the restrictions the new stadium brought. I also think that his best years as a manager were behind him at that point and his ability to cherry pick the best French players no longer doable.
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills. I'd also say he's probably got quite a few more years at the top of his game seeing as he's 10 years younger than Wenger was when they both moved grounds.
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have spurs really been improving over the last few years of Poch's reign? It seems like they have hit their ceiling now, 3rd or 4th at best.
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
Good manager and a nice guy, not sure his transfer records all that great is it? but yeah his teams play the right way etc id be happy to back him to see what he can do. Think hes earnt that right.
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
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thanks for proving my point.
Spurs did have a shocking end to their season in the league. 11 points from 12 games.
How are Spurs going backwards? They just reached the CL final for the first time in their history, just moved into an incredibly impressive new stadium and are the only side outside the top 2 looking like they know what they’re doing. They’re in a very healthy position right now and pretty much all their fans are optimistic about their future.
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 48 seconds ago
Spurs did have a shocking end to their season in the league. 11 points from 12 games.
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So did both Arsenal & Utd.
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
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Think the competition improved massively since 15/16 when lesta won it. City went to a new level utd had a gd season result wise under mourinho and the us. He spent fack all lst season too.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
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thanks for proving my point.
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Lost something like 13 league games last season.
That’s very poor.
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 48 seconds ago
Spurs did have a shocking end to their season in the league. 11 points from 12 games.
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So did both Arsenal & Utd.
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Absoutely. Spurs were worse though. Even though they have a better team than both Arsenal and United.
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
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Think the competition improved massively since 15/16 when lesta won it. City went to a new level utd had a gd season result wise under mourinho and the us. He spent fack all lst season too.
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Nobody’s problem but Spurs, they wanted a new ground and had to pay for it.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 55 seconds ago
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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No it doesn't but sliding down a place on the table each year, regardless of the circumstances, doesn't look like progress to me.
That doesn’t mean Spurs have declined though. They’re clearly thinking long term with the stadium and the manager. To claim Spurs are declining is nonsense.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
He's one of the best managers on the planet. Even though he hasn't had the money to get any player he wants, he's clearly shown his ability to coach and develop individuals and teams. I'd imagine with unlimited funds and a board than can give the support you ideally need he would flourish.
Even without trophies, what he and Spurs have achieved in recent years has been highly impressive.
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Wenger did that non stop for decades and was derided. On a tighter budget than Spurs!
Its just double standards.
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On a much bigger wage structure, I think.
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Nope. We were in a far worse situation. Arsenal's move was financed by the sale and development of the old ground into flats. Arsenal were then hit by financial crisis of 2008/9 and a global recession. Those flats were sold at a far reduced prices and Wenger was forced to sell a top player a season to finance the shortfall. This is why we sold Henry, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Kolo, Adebayor, Song, RVP, Cesc etc.
That only stopped in 2012 when Arsenal were taken over by Stan Kroenke and Usmanov and that their own problems till Stan Kroenke became full owner in 2016/17.
Poch has it easy by comparison.
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Sorry, but Arsenal definitely had a bigger wage bill than Spurs in that period.
Quite significantly, until recently.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 40 seconds ago
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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Klopp has spent £20m a year net since his arrival at Liverpool (that will go down after this window) and no matter what anyone says about losing finals he’s been to 1 league cup final and 3 European finals winning one, he’s also improved the league finishes season on season.
Poch could’ve sold any of his best players to pay for the arrivals of new ones to make the step up(like Klopp did) but he hasn’t and Spurs have gone backwards.
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posted on 6/8/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can go from winning nothing to winning the CL, why not? He almost pulled it off.
I always thought it was FatSam who was best mates with Fergie, not t'other way round.
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Of course it's possible but the fact remains he didn't win it, he hasn't won anything. It's that mental thing about getting that 1st trophy under your belt, I'm sure if they would've prioritised winning something in the past they would've had better success now.
posted on 6/8/19
When I say Spurs I mean the board/Levy who run the club.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
He's one of the best managers on the planet. Even though he hasn't had the money to get any player he wants, he's clearly shown his ability to coach and develop individuals and teams. I'd imagine with unlimited funds and a board than can give the support you ideally need he would flourish.
Even without trophies, what he and Spurs have achieved in recent years has been highly impressive.
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Wenger did that non stop for decades and was derided. On a tighter budget than Spurs!
Its just double standards.
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
posted on 6/8/19
What, in Spurs fans opinion, is the first and second team at Tottenham right now?
posted on 6/8/19
Wenger did a brilliant job at Arsenal though and is regarded as one of the finest managers in the PL era. I would say though that he struggled with the move to the Emirates and his teams declined from that point, although understandably. Poch on the other hand has made improvements on the club while they've had the stadium transition.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 seconds ago
Wenger did a brilliant job at Arsenal though and is regarded as one of the finest managers in the PL era. I would say though that he struggled with the move to the Emirates and his teams declined from that point, although understandably. Poch on the other hand has made improvements on the club while they've had the stadium transition.
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Out of interest why is it understandable that Wenger declined when Arsenal moved to their new stadium ?
Are you expecting Poch to decline now that Spurs have moved into their new stadium ?
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
He's one of the best managers on the planet. Even though he hasn't had the money to get any player he wants, he's clearly shown his ability to coach and develop individuals and teams. I'd imagine with unlimited funds and a board than can give the support you ideally need he would flourish.
Even without trophies, what he and Spurs have achieved in recent years has been highly impressive.
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Wenger did that non stop for decades and was derided. On a tighter budget than Spurs!
Its just double standards.
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On a much bigger wage structure, I think.
posted on 6/8/19
Because he wasn't able to compete financially with other clubs because of the restrictions the new stadium brought. I also think that his best years as a manager were behind him at that point and his ability to cherry pick the best French players no longer doable.
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills. I'd also say he's probably got quite a few more years at the top of his game seeing as he's 10 years younger than Wenger was when they both moved grounds.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
He's one of the best managers on the planet. Even though he hasn't had the money to get any player he wants, he's clearly shown his ability to coach and develop individuals and teams. I'd imagine with unlimited funds and a board than can give the support you ideally need he would flourish.
Even without trophies, what he and Spurs have achieved in recent years has been highly impressive.
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Wenger did that non stop for decades and was derided. On a tighter budget than Spurs!
Its just double standards.
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On a much bigger wage structure, I think.
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Nope. We were in a far worse situation. Arsenal's move was financed by the sale and development of the old ground into flats. Arsenal were then hit by financial crisis of 2008/9 and a global recession. Those flats were sold at a far reduced prices and Wenger was forced to sell a top player a season to finance the shortfall. This is why we sold Henry, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Kolo, Adebayor, Song, RVP, Cesc etc.
That only stopped in 2012 when Arsenal were taken over by Stan Kroenke and Usmanov and that their own problems till Stan Kroenke became full owner in 2016/17.
Poch has it easy by comparison.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
Because he wasn't able to compete financially with other clubs because of the restrictions the new stadium brought. I also think that his best years as a manager were behind him at that point and his ability to cherry pick the best French players no longer doable.
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills. I'd also say he's probably got quite a few more years at the top of his game seeing as he's 10 years younger than Wenger was when they both moved grounds.
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have spurs really been improving over the last few years of Poch's reign? It seems like they have hit their ceiling now, 3rd or 4th at best.
posted on 6/8/19
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
posted on 6/8/19
Good manager and a nice guy, not sure his transfer records all that great is it? but yeah his teams play the right way etc id be happy to back him to see what he can do. Think hes earnt that right.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
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thanks for proving my point.
posted on 6/8/19
Spurs did have a shocking end to their season in the league. 11 points from 12 games.
posted on 6/8/19
How are Spurs going backwards? They just reached the CL final for the first time in their history, just moved into an incredibly impressive new stadium and are the only side outside the top 2 looking like they know what they’re doing. They’re in a very healthy position right now and pretty much all their fans are optimistic about their future.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 48 seconds ago
Spurs did have a shocking end to their season in the league. 11 points from 12 games.
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So did both Arsenal & Utd.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
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Think the competition improved massively since 15/16 when lesta won it. City went to a new level utd had a gd season result wise under mourinho and the us. He spent fack all lst season too.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 1 minute ago
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
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thanks for proving my point.
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Lost something like 13 league games last season.
That’s very poor.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 48 seconds ago
Spurs did have a shocking end to their season in the league. 11 points from 12 games.
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So did both Arsenal & Utd.
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Absoutely. Spurs were worse though. Even though they have a better team than both Arsenal and United.
posted on 6/8/19
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills.
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Last 3 seasons Spurs have finished.
16/17 - 2nd
17/18 - 3rd
18/19 - 4th
Looks like they’re going backward to me.
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Think the competition improved massively since 15/16 when lesta won it. City went to a new level utd had a gd season result wise under mourinho and the us. He spent fack all lst season too.
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Nobody’s problem but Spurs, they wanted a new ground and had to pay for it.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 55 seconds ago
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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No it doesn't but sliding down a place on the table each year, regardless of the circumstances, doesn't look like progress to me.
posted on 6/8/19
That doesn’t mean Spurs have declined though. They’re clearly thinking long term with the stadium and the manager. To claim Spurs are declining is nonsense.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
He's one of the best managers on the planet. Even though he hasn't had the money to get any player he wants, he's clearly shown his ability to coach and develop individuals and teams. I'd imagine with unlimited funds and a board than can give the support you ideally need he would flourish.
Even without trophies, what he and Spurs have achieved in recent years has been highly impressive.
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Wenger did that non stop for decades and was derided. On a tighter budget than Spurs!
Its just double standards.
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On a much bigger wage structure, I think.
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Nope. We were in a far worse situation. Arsenal's move was financed by the sale and development of the old ground into flats. Arsenal were then hit by financial crisis of 2008/9 and a global recession. Those flats were sold at a far reduced prices and Wenger was forced to sell a top player a season to finance the shortfall. This is why we sold Henry, Nasri, Clichy, Sagna, Kolo, Adebayor, Song, RVP, Cesc etc.
That only stopped in 2012 when Arsenal were taken over by Stan Kroenke and Usmanov and that their own problems till Stan Kroenke became full owner in 2016/17.
Poch has it easy by comparison.
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Sorry, but Arsenal definitely had a bigger wage bill than Spurs in that period.
Quite significantly, until recently.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 40 seconds ago
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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Klopp has spent £20m a year net since his arrival at Liverpool (that will go down after this window) and no matter what anyone says about losing finals he’s been to 1 league cup final and 3 European finals winning one, he’s also improved the league finishes season on season.
Poch could’ve sold any of his best players to pay for the arrivals of new ones to make the step up(like Klopp did) but he hasn’t and Spurs have gone backwards.
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