I don't know about declining, but stagnant, winning a trophy would've helped the players, manager and club though. But alas it's not important enough for Poch
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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Klopp has spent £20m a year net since his arrival at Liverpool (that will go down after this window) and no matter what anyone says about losing finals he’s been to 1 league cup final and 3 European finals winning one, he’s also improved the league finishes season on season.
Poch could’ve sold any of his best players to pay for the arrivals of new ones to make the step up(like Klopp did) but he hasn’t and Spurs have gone backwards.
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You have to take into account wages.
Liverpool have a bigger budget and I don't think Klopp has done any better a job than Poch, personally.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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Klopp has spent £20m a year net since his arrival at Liverpool (that will go down after this window) and no matter what anyone says about losing finals he’s been to 1 league cup final and 3 European finals winning one, he’s also improved the league finishes season on season.
Poch could’ve sold any of his best players to pay for the arrivals of new ones to make the step up(like Klopp did) but he hasn’t and Spurs have gone backwards.
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You have to take into account wages.
Liverpool have a bigger budget and I don't think Klopp has done any better a job than Poch, personally.
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We have a bigger budget because we make more money than Spurs, just like United spend more than us because they make more than us.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 40 seconds ago
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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Klopp has spent £20m a year net since his arrival at Liverpool (that will go down after this window) and no matter what anyone says about losing finals he’s been to 1 league cup final and 3 European finals winning one, he’s also improved the league finishes season on season.
Poch could’ve sold any of his best players to pay for the arrivals of new ones to make the step up(like Klopp did) but he hasn’t and Spurs have gone backwards.
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You have to take into account wages.
Liverpool have a bigger budget and I don't think Klopp has done any better a job than Poch, personally.
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We have a bigger budget because we make more money than Spurs, just like United spend more than us because they make more than us.
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I'm aware of why it is.
I'm saying that when you're assessing their performance as managers you should really do it in line with their budgets.
Imo, what Poch has achieved on his budget is just as good as what Klopp has achieved on this.
Think he’s done incredibly well with what he’s had to work with.
Can’t believe anyone can question his quality? Just because City and Liverpool both have excellent managers doesn’t take anything away from Poch’s quality.
I think KLS is on the wum, or misguided if he thinks they are declining just based on league position. Unless of course he doesn't think Liverpool have improved.
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Think he’s done incredibly well with what he’s had to work with.
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Arguably the best Spurs team in 50 years and one final?
I think he’s a very good coach/manager and Spurs play some great football at times and I do think he’ll move to madrid.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 24 minutes ago
Because he wasn't able to compete financially with other clubs because of the restrictions the new stadium brought. I also think that his best years as a manager were behind him at that point and his ability to cherry pick the best French players no longer doable.
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills. I'd also say he's probably got quite a few more years at the top of his game seeing as he's 10 years younger than Wenger was when they both moved grounds.
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I think the financial restrictions line is just one that gets put out there. Other clubs build new stadiums and are still able to buy players.
My older brother has supported Arsenal for 40 years and he's always maintained that he believed the money has always been there to spend on players just that the club chose not to do so.
Let's see how much Poch and whoever is in charge at Spurs over the next few years gets to spend on new players with this new stadium. Will make for an interesting comparison to Arsenal.
We’ve won 3 trophies in the past few years and finished 2nd just over a year ago but that is no sign that we’re improving.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think KLS is on the wum, or misguided if he thinks they are declining just based on league position. Unless of course he doesn't think Liverpool have improved.
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I’m not on the wum!
And I didn’t say anything about Spurs declining, I said they’ve gone backwards over the last 3 seasons. They go into the current season (still 48 hours to go) having only replaced Dembele who left in jan and having lost their first choice right back, having let their first choice left back look to leave the club and not having a dressed the biggest issue that seems to blight them every season in no back up for Kane.
Poch is a superb manager. Wish he was at United. Has any manager made the CL final without spending any money the summer before?
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Poch is a superb manager. Wish he was at United. Has any manager made the CL final without spending any money the summer before?
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But Liverpool haven’t really bought in players this summer either but that doesn’t mean they’re going backwards does it? Porch seems to have a great deal of faith and confidence in his youth and I’m sure he’s happy to bring through more. Spurs operate with Son up top when Kane can’t play and are statically better too.
Also, declining and going backwards are the same thing surely?
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 51 minutes ago
Hmmm not sure it is as simple as just having a bigger budget. There have been times when Spurs have been involved deep into the latter stages of the cup comps but have still not played full strength sides even when their prem position looked nailed on for top 4.
Just don't think that Poch thinks the cups are important at all so doesn't care whether Spurs win them. Total kick in the bolloxs though to the fans who are crying out for silverware.
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we won the Audi cup so shut up.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 11 seconds ago
But Liverpool haven’t really bought in players this summer either but that doesn’t mean they’re going backwards does it? Porch seems to have a great deal of faith and confidence in his youth and I’m sure he’s happy to bring through more. Spurs operate with Son up top when Kane can’t play and are statically better too.
Also, declining and going backwards are the same thing surely?
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No, next seasons results will mean that they’ve gone backwards.
And if you want to look at it the defence concedes more goals now, they are not getting any younger but are still considered more than good enough.
Why did Spurs lose 13 league games last season if they haven’t declined?
Declining and gone backwards are hard to separate KLS. If you just mean league position surely your teams improvement covers that.
Oh, next seasons results, what are they?
Why did Spurs lose 13 league games last season if they haven’t declined?
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They had more players than anyone in Europe who played as far into the World Cup.
They spent no money in the summer
They had two home grounds
They made the CL final with a very stretched squad
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
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Why did Spurs lose 13 league games last season if they haven’t declined?
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They had more players than anyone in Europe who played as far into the World Cup.
They spent no money in the summer
They had two home grounds
They made the CL final with a very stretched squad
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All down to spurs decisions!
They wanted to play at Wembley and it was down to their failings that they didn’t get the stadium ready on time.
They chose to move mid season.
How many more players were at the world cup than other teams? 1 or 2.
The fact that they didn’t bring players in was squarely at their feet and that’s why the squad was streched.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
Oh, next seasons results, what are they?
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We’ll see when we get to this point next season.
And if the fact that Liverpool hasn’t brought the players in bites us then that’ll be down to us and nobody else.
Not sure if Spurs have gone backwards but I do think he's taken them as far as he can given the circumstances he works under. As others have said I'm not sure improving in Europe whilst sliding down the league is a sign of improvement.
Also think the cup finals is an interesting point. Spurs first 11 is as good as anyone's yet he's only got to 2 finals in 5 years. That's poor, especially given some of the sides he's been knocked out by in that time.
I doubt that the stadium not being ready on time was their fault, more the builders.
If in 2 season time Liverpool finish 3rd & 4th will we not have gone backwards?
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I doubt that the stadium not being ready on time was their fault, more the builders.
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Seems every excuse in the book is being used to be honest.
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posted on 6/8/19
I don't know about declining, but stagnant, winning a trophy would've helped the players, manager and club though. But alas it's not important enough for Poch
posted on 6/8/19
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 40 seconds ago
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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Klopp has spent £20m a year net since his arrival at Liverpool (that will go down after this window) and no matter what anyone says about losing finals he’s been to 1 league cup final and 3 European finals winning one, he’s also improved the league finishes season on season.
Poch could’ve sold any of his best players to pay for the arrivals of new ones to make the step up(like Klopp did) but he hasn’t and Spurs have gone backwards.
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You have to take into account wages.
Liverpool have a bigger budget and I don't think Klopp has done any better a job than Poch, personally.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 40 seconds ago
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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Klopp has spent £20m a year net since his arrival at Liverpool (that will go down after this window) and no matter what anyone says about losing finals he’s been to 1 league cup final and 3 European finals winning one, he’s also improved the league finishes season on season.
Poch could’ve sold any of his best players to pay for the arrivals of new ones to make the step up(like Klopp did) but he hasn’t and Spurs have gone backwards.
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You have to take into account wages.
Liverpool have a bigger budget and I don't think Klopp has done any better a job than Poch, personally.
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We have a bigger budget because we make more money than Spurs, just like United spend more than us because they make more than us.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by KLS - Harry Kane wears Mo Salah pyjamas (U1695)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 40 seconds ago
Because City and Liverpool have hired arguably the 2 best managers in the world and been given large sums to improve their team doesn’t mean spurs are declining.
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Klopp has spent £20m a year net since his arrival at Liverpool (that will go down after this window) and no matter what anyone says about losing finals he’s been to 1 league cup final and 3 European finals winning one, he’s also improved the league finishes season on season.
Poch could’ve sold any of his best players to pay for the arrivals of new ones to make the step up(like Klopp did) but he hasn’t and Spurs have gone backwards.
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You have to take into account wages.
Liverpool have a bigger budget and I don't think Klopp has done any better a job than Poch, personally.
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We have a bigger budget because we make more money than Spurs, just like United spend more than us because they make more than us.
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I'm aware of why it is.
I'm saying that when you're assessing their performance as managers you should really do it in line with their budgets.
Imo, what Poch has achieved on his budget is just as good as what Klopp has achieved on this.
posted on 6/8/19
Think he’s done incredibly well with what he’s had to work with.
posted on 6/8/19
Can’t believe anyone can question his quality? Just because City and Liverpool both have excellent managers doesn’t take anything away from Poch’s quality.
posted on 6/8/19
I think KLS is on the wum, or misguided if he thinks they are declining just based on league position. Unless of course he doesn't think Liverpool have improved.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 37 seconds ago
Think he’s done incredibly well with what he’s had to work with.
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Arguably the best Spurs team in 50 years and one final?
I think he’s a very good coach/manager and Spurs play some great football at times and I do think he’ll move to madrid.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 24 minutes ago
Because he wasn't able to compete financially with other clubs because of the restrictions the new stadium brought. I also think that his best years as a manager were behind him at that point and his ability to cherry pick the best French players no longer doable.
As I said, Poch on the other hand seems to be improving Spurs during their transition and thats credit to him and his management skills. I'd also say he's probably got quite a few more years at the top of his game seeing as he's 10 years younger than Wenger was when they both moved grounds.
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I think the financial restrictions line is just one that gets put out there. Other clubs build new stadiums and are still able to buy players.
My older brother has supported Arsenal for 40 years and he's always maintained that he believed the money has always been there to spend on players just that the club chose not to do so.
Let's see how much Poch and whoever is in charge at Spurs over the next few years gets to spend on new players with this new stadium. Will make for an interesting comparison to Arsenal.
posted on 6/8/19
We’ve won 3 trophies in the past few years and finished 2nd just over a year ago but that is no sign that we’re improving.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think KLS is on the wum, or misguided if he thinks they are declining just based on league position. Unless of course he doesn't think Liverpool have improved.
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I’m not on the wum!
And I didn’t say anything about Spurs declining, I said they’ve gone backwards over the last 3 seasons. They go into the current season (still 48 hours to go) having only replaced Dembele who left in jan and having lost their first choice right back, having let their first choice left back look to leave the club and not having a dressed the biggest issue that seems to blight them every season in no back up for Kane.
posted on 6/8/19
Poch is a superb manager. Wish he was at United. Has any manager made the CL final without spending any money the summer before?
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
Poch is a superb manager. Wish he was at United. Has any manager made the CL final without spending any money the summer before?
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Me in Champ Manager? Mind you I did use the editor to it’s full potential. Changed Zola from 34 to 18 etc
posted on 6/8/19
But Liverpool haven’t really bought in players this summer either but that doesn’t mean they’re going backwards does it? Porch seems to have a great deal of faith and confidence in his youth and I’m sure he’s happy to bring through more. Spurs operate with Son up top when Kane can’t play and are statically better too.
Also, declining and going backwards are the same thing surely?
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Dan Arsenal (U21084)
posted 51 minutes ago
Hmmm not sure it is as simple as just having a bigger budget. There have been times when Spurs have been involved deep into the latter stages of the cup comps but have still not played full strength sides even when their prem position looked nailed on for top 4.
Just don't think that Poch thinks the cups are important at all so doesn't care whether Spurs win them. Total kick in the bolloxs though to the fans who are crying out for silverware.
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we won the Audi cup so shut up.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 11 seconds ago
But Liverpool haven’t really bought in players this summer either but that doesn’t mean they’re going backwards does it? Porch seems to have a great deal of faith and confidence in his youth and I’m sure he’s happy to bring through more. Spurs operate with Son up top when Kane can’t play and are statically better too.
Also, declining and going backwards are the same thing surely?
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No, next seasons results will mean that they’ve gone backwards.
And if you want to look at it the defence concedes more goals now, they are not getting any younger but are still considered more than good enough.
Why did Spurs lose 13 league games last season if they haven’t declined?
posted on 6/8/19
Declining and gone backwards are hard to separate KLS. If you just mean league position surely your teams improvement covers that.
posted on 6/8/19
Oh, next seasons results, what are they?
posted on 6/8/19
Why did Spurs lose 13 league games last season if they haven’t declined?
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They had more players than anyone in Europe who played as far into the World Cup.
They spent no money in the summer
They had two home grounds
They made the CL final with a very stretched squad
posted on 6/8/19
comment by Robb - Steve Smith = Legend 🏏🏆 (U21234)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why did Spurs lose 13 league games last season if they haven’t declined?
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They had more players than anyone in Europe who played as far into the World Cup.
They spent no money in the summer
They had two home grounds
They made the CL final with a very stretched squad
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All down to spurs decisions!
They wanted to play at Wembley and it was down to their failings that they didn’t get the stadium ready on time.
They chose to move mid season.
How many more players were at the world cup than other teams? 1 or 2.
The fact that they didn’t bring players in was squarely at their feet and that’s why the squad was streched.
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
Oh, next seasons results, what are they?
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We’ll see when we get to this point next season.
And if the fact that Liverpool hasn’t brought the players in bites us then that’ll be down to us and nobody else.
posted on 6/8/19
Not sure if Spurs have gone backwards but I do think he's taken them as far as he can given the circumstances he works under. As others have said I'm not sure improving in Europe whilst sliding down the league is a sign of improvement.
Also think the cup finals is an interesting point. Spurs first 11 is as good as anyone's yet he's only got to 2 finals in 5 years. That's poor, especially given some of the sides he's been knocked out by in that time.
posted on 6/8/19
I doubt that the stadium not being ready on time was their fault, more the builders.
posted on 6/8/19
If in 2 season time Liverpool finish 3rd & 4th will we not have gone backwards?
posted on 6/8/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 minutes ago
I doubt that the stadium not being ready on time was their fault, more the builders.
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Seems every excuse in the book is being used to be honest.
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