Piers Morgan has been brilliant through all this.
Amazingly!
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 2 minutes ago
The whole world should hold them to account.
Instead you have the WHO sucking farts out of their asses
And people wonder why Trump wants to cut off funding?
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Blame game in full effect.
Start a little closer to home.
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The blame game should be in effect. China deliberately tried to suppress information relating to the outbreak and had consequently caused immeasurable unnecessary deaths and infections worldwide.
You’re so quick to blame our government, but you’re willing to give a free pass to the Chinese.
Nobody would be apportioning blame if they’d been upfront from the beginning.
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Wasting your time
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Why? He is right though. Germany and South Corea showing how to deal with the corona crisis. Johnson and Trump surely on fault to hesitate for too long to take actions.
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 41 seconds ago
Korea were doing mass testing long before the WHO were talking about it. They made those comments on the back of what Korea were doing, again this was long after the pandemic started. Honestly how you can give them any credit for that?
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Actually it's always been their advice for countries with new infections. Our government even did it to begin with in January/February (I even praised them at this point), until they decided to follow this herd immunity strategy; at which point the WHO issued a statement saying that countries weren't doing enough testing.
However, even if what you said was true, that would mean it's ok to lambast them for giving advice based on information they got out of China, but it's not ok to give them credit for advice based on information from South Korea? A nice objective stance you have.
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
If you believe even 1% of the news of disinformation, persecution of medical staff and suppression or information coming out of China then it’s pretty easy to apportion some blame/responsibility to the Chinese.
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Sigh.
THEY
DONT
CARE.
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Of course they don’t care. They’re communists.
That doesn’t mean we can’t expect them to be held to account for trying to cover up the outbreak as far back as last year.
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Technically, they are not communist by the traditional definition. The private sector generates the majority of their GDP, it is just more receptive to state intervention than we are.
Despite being called the 'Communist Party' they are more a nationalist party with socialist principles, since Xi took over from Mao. Their emphasis is on making China great, not on a class war as you would associate with communism. They're actually not too dissimilar to how Trump is trying to make the US.
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So what you’re saying is that by supporting China in this discussion, then by his own definition, Sizzle is defending fascism.
The plot thickens.
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No, I haven't said that. If you are only interested in point scoring rather than discussion then I'll bow out.
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There wasn’t really much to discuss about your comment. Evidently you’re more in tune with the Chinese political structure than I am.
I was thus curious to learn that Sizzle is defending an essentially nationalist party, given his own definition of fascism.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 7 minutes ago
Taiwan have handled this brilliantly - you’re not even allowed to mention the name ‘Taiwan’ at the WHO such is the Chinese influence there
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Also ironic that people criticise the WHO for not recognising Taiwan, when the US and UK dont either.
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
If you believe even 1% of the news of disinformation, persecution of medical staff and suppression or information coming out of China then it’s pretty easy to apportion some blame/responsibility to the Chinese.
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Sigh.
THEY
DONT
CARE.
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Of course they don’t care. They’re communists.
That doesn’t mean we can’t expect them to be held to account for trying to cover up the outbreak as far back as last year.
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Technically, they are not communist by the traditional definition. The private sector generates the majority of their GDP, it is just more receptive to state intervention than we are.
Despite being called the 'Communist Party' they are more a nationalist party with socialist principles, since Xi took over from Mao. Their emphasis is on making China great, not on a class war as you would associate with communism. They're actually not too dissimilar to how Trump is trying to make the US.
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So what you’re saying is that by supporting China in this discussion, then by his own definition, Sizzle is defending fascism.
The plot thickens.
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No, I haven't said that. If you are only interested in point scoring rather than discussion then I'll bow out.
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There wasn’t really much to discuss about your comment. Evidently you’re more in tune with the Chinese political structure than I am.
I was thus curious to learn that Sizzle is defending an essentially nationalist party, given his own definition of fascism.
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Exactly, more interested in point scoring against a WUM. A hole I dont want to go down.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 58 minutes ago
Surely there has never ever been a worse leader of the so called Western World.
He is a total disgrace, and doing anything but lead at the moment. The USA voters should be ashamed if they vote him back in again.
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His support base are corrupt or mostly fecking morons. They’ll lap it up. Then you have the right wing Christian facktards that will vote for him too. Such a screwed up country, fell sorry for the intelligent, normal Americans who will be outvoted by people who probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote on the basis that they have 91% dna or a potato.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 7 minutes ago
Taiwan have handled this brilliantly - you’re not even allowed to mention the name ‘Taiwan’ at the WHO such is the Chinese influence there
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Also ironic that people criticise the WHO for not recognising Taiwan, when the US and UK dont either.
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It’s not quite as simple as that. The US does support Taiwan as much as possible without stoking flames of a war with China.
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
If you believe even 1% of the news of disinformation, persecution of medical staff and suppression or information coming out of China then it’s pretty easy to apportion some blame/responsibility to the Chinese.
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Sigh.
THEY
DONT
CARE.
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Of course they don’t care. They’re communists.
That doesn’t mean we can’t expect them to be held to account for trying to cover up the outbreak as far back as last year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Technically, they are not communist by the traditional definition. The private sector generates the majority of their GDP, it is just more receptive to state intervention than we are.
Despite being called the 'Communist Party' they are more a nationalist party with socialist principles, since Xi took over from Mao. Their emphasis is on making China great, not on a class war as you would associate with communism. They're actually not too dissimilar to how Trump is trying to make the US.
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So what you’re saying is that by supporting China in this discussion, then by his own definition, Sizzle is defending fascism.
The plot thickens.
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No, I haven't said that. If you are only interested in point scoring rather than discussion then I'll bow out.
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There wasn’t really much to discuss about your comment. Evidently you’re more in tune with the Chinese political structure than I am.
I was thus curious to learn that Sizzle is defending an essentially nationalist party, given his own definition of fascism.
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I’m not defending them, I’m saying mistakes have been made all over the shop.
I think it’s best to focus on the here and now and we can save all the finger pointing and difficult questions once we get through this.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s not quite as simple as that. The US does support Taiwan as much as possible without stoking flames of a war with China.
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So the most powerful country on earth gets more leeway for treading lightly with China than an organisation charged with overseeing global health that relies on China being open to them in order to obtain as precise an information as they can get? Not sure how that makes sense to you.
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comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s not quite as simple as that. The US does support Taiwan as much as possible without stoking flames of a war with China.
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So the most powerful country on earth gets more leeway for treading lightly with China than an organisation charged with overseeing global health that relies on China being open to them in order to obtain as precise an information as they can get? Not sure how that makes sense to you.
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Is that a serious question?
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comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 50 minutes ago
Trump is an idiot and is definitely shifting the blame but make no mistake whatsoever, he is 100% correct about the WHO both dropping the ball and being China centric.
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WHO did not drop the ball saan. I work for what could be deemed their parent organisation.
To make this decision you need to be aware of the powers that the WHO has and doesn't have. Nations are nationalistic and cling to sovereignty. Leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson are at the forefront of denying these organisations more powers in the name of nationalism and sovereignty.
The WHO and many similar organisations have been rendered legally toothless. They're at the mercy of nations and their own existence is under threat, leaving them to pander and beg to nations for everything.
The common man only reads the media. Organisations like WHO are charged with a great responsibility but in the deep of it they are curtailed and limited at every turn.
WHO can't tell China nothing. They have to go by what China (and any other nation) tells them. Even when Ebola resurfaces, for example, they have the freedom because those nations welcome them and give them authority. When it comes to nations like China, they don't even leave their offices. The report will come by email.
The future of the world lies in organisations like the WHO, not puny national institutions which are in competition with one another(when we are all on the same spaceship hurtling through space) and out for profit. Covid should be proof of this. The world is now just a village, whether people like it or not.
Human kind still focussing on themselves and their immediate environment, but the world has reached a stage where the whole world is your immediate environment.
People seem to think they're better off looking after their own and immediate neighbourhood but that only guarantees against local threats whereas you are exposed to international threats which will penetrate you deeply when they materialise because your approach doesn't cater for that.
World media is sensationalist and the hunger for profit cannot allow space for the common man to be properly informed to enable them to make the best decisions. Its up to the common man to be aware of the machinations affecting them.
If you want the WHO to be able to protect you then have the larger picture in mind, get in touch with your MP or whoever and start pushing for change. At the moment the only voice seems to be every single nation putting itself and its interests first all the time. If everyone is at it, what will be the result?
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
If you believe even 1% of the news of disinformation, persecution of medical staff and suppression or information coming out of China then it’s pretty easy to apportion some blame/responsibility to the Chinese.
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Sigh.
THEY
DONT
CARE.
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Of course they don’t care. They’re communists.
That doesn’t mean we can’t expect them to be held to account for trying to cover up the outbreak as far back as last year.
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Technically, they are not communist by the traditional definition. The private sector generates the majority of their GDP, it is just more receptive to state intervention than we are.
Despite being called the 'Communist Party' they are more a nationalist party with socialist principles, since Xi took over from Mao. Their emphasis is on making China great, not on a class war as you would associate with communism. They're actually not too dissimilar to how Trump is trying to make the US.
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So what you’re saying is that by supporting China in this discussion, then by his own definition, Sizzle is defending fascism.
The plot thickens.
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No, I haven't said that. If you are only interested in point scoring rather than discussion then I'll bow out.
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There wasn’t really much to discuss about your comment. Evidently you’re more in tune with the Chinese political structure than I am.
I was thus curious to learn that Sizzle is defending an essentially nationalist party, given his own definition of fascism.
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I’m not defending them, I’m saying mistakes have been made all over the shop.
I think it’s best to focus on the here and now and we can save all the finger pointing and difficult questions once we get through this.
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The words pot, kettle & black come to mind here. You're quite happy to point the finger at the UK government and say that they and the people who voted for them have blood on their hands. But god forbid anyone criticizes the Chinese government.
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
He's shifting the blame, which will go down well with his trailer park followers.
I am telling you, he will win the re-election.
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"Hey there Bubba...wat-cha bin up to"
"The usual....drinkin beer & watchin Nascar"
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 13 minutes ago
China is the closest thing to National Socialist we have seen since Hitler, but because it's minorities doing it, the left is completely fine with it.
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Goodwin's Law
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 50 minutes ago
Trump is an idiot and is definitely shifting the blame but make no mistake whatsoever, he is 100% correct about the WHO both dropping the ball and being China centric.
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WHO did not drop the ball saan. I work for what could be deemed their parent organisation.
To make this decision you need to be aware of the powers that the WHO has and doesn't have. Nations are nationalistic and cling to sovereignty. Leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson are at the forefront of denying these organisations more powers in the name of nationalism and sovereignty.
The WHO and many similar organisations have been rendered legally toothless. They're at the mercy of nations and their own existence is under threat, leaving them to pander and beg to nations for everything.
The common man only reads the media. Organisations like WHO are charged with a great responsibility but in the deep of it they are curtailed and limited at every turn.
WHO can't tell China nothing. They have to go by what China (and any other nation) tells them. Even when Ebola resurfaces, for example, they have the freedom because those nations welcome them and give them authority. When it comes to nations like China, they don't even leave their offices. The report will come by email.
The future of the world lies in organisations like the WHO, not puny national institutions which are in competition with one another(when we are all on the same spaceship hurtling through space) and out for profit. Covid should be proof of this. The world is now just a village, whether people like it or not.
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Thanks for speaking sense.
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 13 minutes ago
China is the closest thing to National Socialist we have seen since Hitler, but because it's minorities doing it, the left is completely fine with it.
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Goodwin's Law
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Nice deflection
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Not deflection at all. There is no point entering a discussion with someone who thinks Hitler was a socialist.
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comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 10 minutes ago
WHO did not drop the ball saan. I work for what could be deemed their parent organisation.
To make this decision you need to be aware of the powers that the WHO has and doesn't have. Nations are nationalistic and cling to sovereignty. Leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson are at the forefront of denying these organisations more powers in the name of nationalism and sovereignty.
The WHO and many similar organisations have been rendered legally toothless. They're at the mercy of nations and their own existence is under threat, leaving them to pander and beg to nations for everything.
The common man only reads the media. Organisations like WHO are charged with a great responsibility but in the deep of it they are curtailed and limited at every turn.
WHO can't tell China nothing. They have to go by what China (and any other nation) tells them. Even when Ebola resurfaces, for example, they have the freedom because those nations welcome them and give them authority. When it comes to nations like China, they don't even leave their offices. The report will come by email.
The future of the world lies in organisations like the WHO, not puny national institutions which are in competition with one another(when we are all on the same spaceship hurtling through space) and out for profit. Covid should be proof of this. The world is now just a village, whether people like it or not.
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 50 minutes ago
Trump is an idiot and is definitely shifting the blame but make no mistake whatsoever, he is 100% correct about the WHO both dropping the ball and being China centric.
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WHO did not drop the ball saan. I work for what could be deemed their parent organisation.
To make this decision you need to be aware of the powers that the WHO has and doesn't have. Nations are nationalistic and cling to sovereignty. Leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson are at the forefront of denying these organisations more powers in the name of nationalism and sovereignty.
The WHO and many similar organisations have been rendered legally toothless. They're at the mercy of nations and their own existence is under threat, leaving them to pander and beg to nations for everything.
The common man only reads the media. Organisations like WHO are charged with a great responsibility but in the deep of it they are curtailed and limited at every turn.
WHO can't tell China nothing. They have to go by what China (and any other nation) tells them. Even when Ebola resurfaces, for example, they have the freedom because those nations welcome them and give them authority. When it comes to nations like China, they don't even leave their offices. The report will come by email.
The future of the world lies in organisations like the WHO, not puny national institutions which are in competition with one another(when we are all on the same spaceship hurtling through space) and out for profit. Covid should be proof of this. The world is now just a village, whether people like it or not.
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Maybe they could grow a pair and say " unfortunately we can't advise the world because China refuse to cooperate" instead of peddling data that deep inside they knew was almost certainly false "no human to human transmission"
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Yeah, I'm sure you would criticise them for that.
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posted on 15/4/20
Piers Morgan has been brilliant through all this.
Amazingly!
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 2 minutes ago
The whole world should hold them to account.
Instead you have the WHO sucking farts out of their asses
And people wonder why Trump wants to cut off funding?
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Blame game in full effect.
Start a little closer to home.
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The blame game should be in effect. China deliberately tried to suppress information relating to the outbreak and had consequently caused immeasurable unnecessary deaths and infections worldwide.
You’re so quick to blame our government, but you’re willing to give a free pass to the Chinese.
Nobody would be apportioning blame if they’d been upfront from the beginning.
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Wasting your time
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Why? He is right though. Germany and South Corea showing how to deal with the corona crisis. Johnson and Trump surely on fault to hesitate for too long to take actions.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 41 seconds ago
Korea were doing mass testing long before the WHO were talking about it. They made those comments on the back of what Korea were doing, again this was long after the pandemic started. Honestly how you can give them any credit for that?
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Actually it's always been their advice for countries with new infections. Our government even did it to begin with in January/February (I even praised them at this point), until they decided to follow this herd immunity strategy; at which point the WHO issued a statement saying that countries weren't doing enough testing.
However, even if what you said was true, that would mean it's ok to lambast them for giving advice based on information they got out of China, but it's not ok to give them credit for advice based on information from South Korea? A nice objective stance you have.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
If you believe even 1% of the news of disinformation, persecution of medical staff and suppression or information coming out of China then it’s pretty easy to apportion some blame/responsibility to the Chinese.
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Sigh.
THEY
DONT
CARE.
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Of course they don’t care. They’re communists.
That doesn’t mean we can’t expect them to be held to account for trying to cover up the outbreak as far back as last year.
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Technically, they are not communist by the traditional definition. The private sector generates the majority of their GDP, it is just more receptive to state intervention than we are.
Despite being called the 'Communist Party' they are more a nationalist party with socialist principles, since Xi took over from Mao. Their emphasis is on making China great, not on a class war as you would associate with communism. They're actually not too dissimilar to how Trump is trying to make the US.
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So what you’re saying is that by supporting China in this discussion, then by his own definition, Sizzle is defending fascism.
The plot thickens.
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No, I haven't said that. If you are only interested in point scoring rather than discussion then I'll bow out.
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There wasn’t really much to discuss about your comment. Evidently you’re more in tune with the Chinese political structure than I am.
I was thus curious to learn that Sizzle is defending an essentially nationalist party, given his own definition of fascism.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 7 minutes ago
Taiwan have handled this brilliantly - you’re not even allowed to mention the name ‘Taiwan’ at the WHO such is the Chinese influence there
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Also ironic that people criticise the WHO for not recognising Taiwan, when the US and UK dont either.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
If you believe even 1% of the news of disinformation, persecution of medical staff and suppression or information coming out of China then it’s pretty easy to apportion some blame/responsibility to the Chinese.
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Sigh.
THEY
DONT
CARE.
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Of course they don’t care. They’re communists.
That doesn’t mean we can’t expect them to be held to account for trying to cover up the outbreak as far back as last year.
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Technically, they are not communist by the traditional definition. The private sector generates the majority of their GDP, it is just more receptive to state intervention than we are.
Despite being called the 'Communist Party' they are more a nationalist party with socialist principles, since Xi took over from Mao. Their emphasis is on making China great, not on a class war as you would associate with communism. They're actually not too dissimilar to how Trump is trying to make the US.
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So what you’re saying is that by supporting China in this discussion, then by his own definition, Sizzle is defending fascism.
The plot thickens.
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No, I haven't said that. If you are only interested in point scoring rather than discussion then I'll bow out.
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There wasn’t really much to discuss about your comment. Evidently you’re more in tune with the Chinese political structure than I am.
I was thus curious to learn that Sizzle is defending an essentially nationalist party, given his own definition of fascism.
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Exactly, more interested in point scoring against a WUM. A hole I dont want to go down.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 58 minutes ago
Surely there has never ever been a worse leader of the so called Western World.
He is a total disgrace, and doing anything but lead at the moment. The USA voters should be ashamed if they vote him back in again.
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His support base are corrupt or mostly fecking morons. They’ll lap it up. Then you have the right wing Christian facktards that will vote for him too. Such a screwed up country, fell sorry for the intelligent, normal Americans who will be outvoted by people who probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote on the basis that they have 91% dna or a potato.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 7 minutes ago
Taiwan have handled this brilliantly - you’re not even allowed to mention the name ‘Taiwan’ at the WHO such is the Chinese influence there
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Also ironic that people criticise the WHO for not recognising Taiwan, when the US and UK dont either.
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It’s not quite as simple as that. The US does support Taiwan as much as possible without stoking flames of a war with China.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
If you believe even 1% of the news of disinformation, persecution of medical staff and suppression or information coming out of China then it’s pretty easy to apportion some blame/responsibility to the Chinese.
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Sigh.
THEY
DONT
CARE.
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Of course they don’t care. They’re communists.
That doesn’t mean we can’t expect them to be held to account for trying to cover up the outbreak as far back as last year.
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Technically, they are not communist by the traditional definition. The private sector generates the majority of their GDP, it is just more receptive to state intervention than we are.
Despite being called the 'Communist Party' they are more a nationalist party with socialist principles, since Xi took over from Mao. Their emphasis is on making China great, not on a class war as you would associate with communism. They're actually not too dissimilar to how Trump is trying to make the US.
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So what you’re saying is that by supporting China in this discussion, then by his own definition, Sizzle is defending fascism.
The plot thickens.
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No, I haven't said that. If you are only interested in point scoring rather than discussion then I'll bow out.
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There wasn’t really much to discuss about your comment. Evidently you’re more in tune with the Chinese political structure than I am.
I was thus curious to learn that Sizzle is defending an essentially nationalist party, given his own definition of fascism.
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I’m not defending them, I’m saying mistakes have been made all over the shop.
I think it’s best to focus on the here and now and we can save all the finger pointing and difficult questions once we get through this.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s not quite as simple as that. The US does support Taiwan as much as possible without stoking flames of a war with China.
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So the most powerful country on earth gets more leeway for treading lightly with China than an organisation charged with overseeing global health that relies on China being open to them in order to obtain as precise an information as they can get? Not sure how that makes sense to you.
posted on 15/4/20
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posted on 15/4/20
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s not quite as simple as that. The US does support Taiwan as much as possible without stoking flames of a war with China.
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So the most powerful country on earth gets more leeway for treading lightly with China than an organisation charged with overseeing global health that relies on China being open to them in order to obtain as precise an information as they can get? Not sure how that makes sense to you.
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Is that a serious question?
posted on 15/4/20
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posted on 15/4/20
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 50 minutes ago
Trump is an idiot and is definitely shifting the blame but make no mistake whatsoever, he is 100% correct about the WHO both dropping the ball and being China centric.
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WHO did not drop the ball saan. I work for what could be deemed their parent organisation.
To make this decision you need to be aware of the powers that the WHO has and doesn't have. Nations are nationalistic and cling to sovereignty. Leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson are at the forefront of denying these organisations more powers in the name of nationalism and sovereignty.
The WHO and many similar organisations have been rendered legally toothless. They're at the mercy of nations and their own existence is under threat, leaving them to pander and beg to nations for everything.
The common man only reads the media. Organisations like WHO are charged with a great responsibility but in the deep of it they are curtailed and limited at every turn.
WHO can't tell China nothing. They have to go by what China (and any other nation) tells them. Even when Ebola resurfaces, for example, they have the freedom because those nations welcome them and give them authority. When it comes to nations like China, they don't even leave their offices. The report will come by email.
The future of the world lies in organisations like the WHO, not puny national institutions which are in competition with one another(when we are all on the same spaceship hurtling through space) and out for profit. Covid should be proof of this. The world is now just a village, whether people like it or not.
posted on 15/4/20
Human kind still focussing on themselves and their immediate environment, but the world has reached a stage where the whole world is your immediate environment.
People seem to think they're better off looking after their own and immediate neighbourhood but that only guarantees against local threats whereas you are exposed to international threats which will penetrate you deeply when they materialise because your approach doesn't cater for that.
World media is sensationalist and the hunger for profit cannot allow space for the common man to be properly informed to enable them to make the best decisions. Its up to the common man to be aware of the machinations affecting them.
If you want the WHO to be able to protect you then have the larger picture in mind, get in touch with your MP or whoever and start pushing for change. At the moment the only voice seems to be every single nation putting itself and its interests first all the time. If everyone is at it, what will be the result?
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 second ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
If you believe even 1% of the news of disinformation, persecution of medical staff and suppression or information coming out of China then it’s pretty easy to apportion some blame/responsibility to the Chinese.
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Sigh.
THEY
DONT
CARE.
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Of course they don’t care. They’re communists.
That doesn’t mean we can’t expect them to be held to account for trying to cover up the outbreak as far back as last year.
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Technically, they are not communist by the traditional definition. The private sector generates the majority of their GDP, it is just more receptive to state intervention than we are.
Despite being called the 'Communist Party' they are more a nationalist party with socialist principles, since Xi took over from Mao. Their emphasis is on making China great, not on a class war as you would associate with communism. They're actually not too dissimilar to how Trump is trying to make the US.
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So what you’re saying is that by supporting China in this discussion, then by his own definition, Sizzle is defending fascism.
The plot thickens.
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No, I haven't said that. If you are only interested in point scoring rather than discussion then I'll bow out.
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There wasn’t really much to discuss about your comment. Evidently you’re more in tune with the Chinese political structure than I am.
I was thus curious to learn that Sizzle is defending an essentially nationalist party, given his own definition of fascism.
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I’m not defending them, I’m saying mistakes have been made all over the shop.
I think it’s best to focus on the here and now and we can save all the finger pointing and difficult questions once we get through this.
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The words pot, kettle & black come to mind here. You're quite happy to point the finger at the UK government and say that they and the people who voted for them have blood on their hands. But god forbid anyone criticizes the Chinese government.
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
He's shifting the blame, which will go down well with his trailer park followers.
I am telling you, he will win the re-election.
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"Hey there Bubba...wat-cha bin up to"
"The usual....drinkin beer & watchin Nascar"
posted on 15/4/20
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 13 minutes ago
China is the closest thing to National Socialist we have seen since Hitler, but because it's minorities doing it, the left is completely fine with it.
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Goodwin's Law
posted on 15/4/20
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 50 minutes ago
Trump is an idiot and is definitely shifting the blame but make no mistake whatsoever, he is 100% correct about the WHO both dropping the ball and being China centric.
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WHO did not drop the ball saan. I work for what could be deemed their parent organisation.
To make this decision you need to be aware of the powers that the WHO has and doesn't have. Nations are nationalistic and cling to sovereignty. Leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson are at the forefront of denying these organisations more powers in the name of nationalism and sovereignty.
The WHO and many similar organisations have been rendered legally toothless. They're at the mercy of nations and their own existence is under threat, leaving them to pander and beg to nations for everything.
The common man only reads the media. Organisations like WHO are charged with a great responsibility but in the deep of it they are curtailed and limited at every turn.
WHO can't tell China nothing. They have to go by what China (and any other nation) tells them. Even when Ebola resurfaces, for example, they have the freedom because those nations welcome them and give them authority. When it comes to nations like China, they don't even leave their offices. The report will come by email.
The future of the world lies in organisations like the WHO, not puny national institutions which are in competition with one another(when we are all on the same spaceship hurtling through space) and out for profit. Covid should be proof of this. The world is now just a village, whether people like it or not.
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Thanks for speaking sense.
posted on 15/4/20
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posted on 15/4/20
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 13 minutes ago
China is the closest thing to National Socialist we have seen since Hitler, but because it's minorities doing it, the left is completely fine with it.
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Goodwin's Law
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Nice deflection
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Not deflection at all. There is no point entering a discussion with someone who thinks Hitler was a socialist.
posted on 15/4/20
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posted on 15/4/20
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 10 minutes ago
WHO did not drop the ball saan. I work for what could be deemed their parent organisation.
To make this decision you need to be aware of the powers that the WHO has and doesn't have. Nations are nationalistic and cling to sovereignty. Leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson are at the forefront of denying these organisations more powers in the name of nationalism and sovereignty.
The WHO and many similar organisations have been rendered legally toothless. They're at the mercy of nations and their own existence is under threat, leaving them to pander and beg to nations for everything.
The common man only reads the media. Organisations like WHO are charged with a great responsibility but in the deep of it they are curtailed and limited at every turn.
WHO can't tell China nothing. They have to go by what China (and any other nation) tells them. Even when Ebola resurfaces, for example, they have the freedom because those nations welcome them and give them authority. When it comes to nations like China, they don't even leave their offices. The report will come by email.
The future of the world lies in organisations like the WHO, not puny national institutions which are in competition with one another(when we are all on the same spaceship hurtling through space) and out for profit. Covid should be proof of this. The world is now just a village, whether people like it or not.
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posted on 15/4/20
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 50 minutes ago
Trump is an idiot and is definitely shifting the blame but make no mistake whatsoever, he is 100% correct about the WHO both dropping the ball and being China centric.
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WHO did not drop the ball saan. I work for what could be deemed their parent organisation.
To make this decision you need to be aware of the powers that the WHO has and doesn't have. Nations are nationalistic and cling to sovereignty. Leaders like Trump and Boris Johnson are at the forefront of denying these organisations more powers in the name of nationalism and sovereignty.
The WHO and many similar organisations have been rendered legally toothless. They're at the mercy of nations and their own existence is under threat, leaving them to pander and beg to nations for everything.
The common man only reads the media. Organisations like WHO are charged with a great responsibility but in the deep of it they are curtailed and limited at every turn.
WHO can't tell China nothing. They have to go by what China (and any other nation) tells them. Even when Ebola resurfaces, for example, they have the freedom because those nations welcome them and give them authority. When it comes to nations like China, they don't even leave their offices. The report will come by email.
The future of the world lies in organisations like the WHO, not puny national institutions which are in competition with one another(when we are all on the same spaceship hurtling through space) and out for profit. Covid should be proof of this. The world is now just a village, whether people like it or not.
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Maybe they could grow a pair and say " unfortunately we can't advise the world because China refuse to cooperate" instead of peddling data that deep inside they knew was almost certainly false "no human to human transmission"
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Yeah, I'm sure you would criticise them for that.
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