WHich is why many see a them and us. LFC thinking only about themselves with little comprehension of the plight of those potentially relegated or those potentially denied promotion. Understandable to a degree but a real lack of objectivity from the vast majority and anyone who applies any objectivity is accused of having an anti LFC agenda.
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This is pretty Mich the other way around.
The authorities seem to agree with Liverpool fans which means there's valid reasons for the arguments bit every comment by a Liverpool fan leads to accusations of bias and not caring about this or that. Theres valid reasons to both arguments.
People coming out with absurd theories are using this as a defence, as in attacking people to avoid valid criticism of a brainfart comment/opinion.
Its not Liverpool's fault that their agenda aligns with that of saving football from Covid if possible, in that every possible attempt to finish the season safely will be made and that aligns with the interest of a Liverpool fan.
But we all agree that the key word is "safely". Still doesn't stop all the accusations and guilt trips by being accused of not caring.
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comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 seconds ago
I just don't see how it can be back in June. People are forgetting it's not just the footballers who will be at these games. It's the staff, the officials, the camera crews, the stadium operators, etc...
Surely all it takes is one person to get ill and then everyone that's been in contact with them is self isolating for 2 weeks.
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I don't think people are forgetting that. I'm certainly not, since I've been going into work this hole time and I'm gradually seeing more people coming back and traffic on the increase during rush hour. Businesses are starting to reopen and many have pencilled in June to reopen. I don't see why the PL should be any different and in fact it's likely safer than most places, considering the money they have and the planned testing every week.
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You can't social distance on a football pitch though
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Of course you can't. What's your point? Can you social distance in schools and shops that plan to open in June?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 35 minutes ago
"My team loses out if the season isn’t finished. I am desperate for football to return WHEN SAFE TO DO SO.
Perhaps there is a reason all Liverpool fans want it concluded whereas others have a range of opinions."
Why is it 'us v them'? You have just stated your preferred option exactly matches what many Liverpool fans have said. "football to return WHEN SAFE TO DO SO".
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Because every LFC fan advocates any approach that declares them as winners regardless of how the relegated teams/promotion teams are treated in this scenario.
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Of course every Liverpool fan advocates the approach that gives them the title, as do most non-Liverpool fans from what I can tell. I'm not sure why this is a negative? Relegation is a separate issue and if the season can't continue, then it will need decided on also.
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WHich is why many see a them and us. LFC thinking only about themselves with little comprehension of the plight of those potentially relegated or those potentially denied promotion. Understandable to a degree but a real lack of objectivity from the vast majority and anyone who applies any objectivity is accused of having an anti LFC agenda.
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Which is of course utter nonsense.
Devon is starting to sound like BitterBilly.
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
Devon is starting to sound like BitterBilly.
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Hey, I would love to see the league restart. Spurs have way more to gain from a strong end to this season than it being abandoned - not least getting some sort of coherrance in our team and play with teh benefit of a fully fit squad to. UCL was an outside chance for us needing svereal others to fail. Europa is a good opportunity to blood player but not a big earner so i am ambivalent to where we end, more interested in gaining some momentum.
But i pitch this in a reasoned context of (1) Football has to start only when safe to do so and not in a way that flies in the face of general covid/social distancing guidance and (2) is fair to all. If it cannot be completed in this way then how it is resolved has to be fair and consistent to all. Theres nothing bitter about this, its reasoned and objective.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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In your example people were asked to return to work.
In the case of the restart people are being asked to isolate from family etc for 6 weeks so that their work (the rest of the season) can be be completed. Materially different to being told furlough has ended and you are to return to work.
If half your squad did not want to isolate for 6 weeks (and there is likely nothing an employee can do to make them) then this is an issue to completing the season. The vast majority need to be on board. Legally there is nothing the EPL can do if what they are asking their clubs.players to do is outside of their contract and cannot be enforced.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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Interesting point regarding pay and I don't claim to know the answer, but what I would say is does the fact the players are contracted to be paid x/week, however I understand fines can be levied at players for certain rule breaking, but I'm sure what they could be fined for is strictly laid out in the contract, there again refusing to play when requested would on the face of it seem a valid reason for applying a fine
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 seconds ago
I just don't see how it can be back in June. People are forgetting it's not just the footballers who will be at these games. It's the staff, the officials, the camera crews, the stadium operators, etc...
Surely all it takes is one person to get ill and then everyone that's been in contact with them is self isolating for 2 weeks.
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I don't think people are forgetting that. I'm certainly not, since I've been going into work this hole time and I'm gradually seeing more people coming back and traffic on the increase during rush hour. Businesses are starting to reopen and many have pencilled in June to reopen. I don't see why the PL should be any different and in fact it's likely safer than most places, considering the money they have and the planned testing every week.
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You can't social distance on a football pitch though
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Of course you can't. What's your point? Can you social distance in schools and shops that plan to open in June?
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Odd comparison because in schools and shops, most people don't try and make contact with people and spit and sweat over them. Not around here anyway.
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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Interesting point regarding pay and I don't claim to know the answer, but what I would say is does the fact the players are contracted to be paid x/week, however I understand fines can be levied at players for certain rule breaking, but I'm sure what they could be fined for is strictly laid out in the contract, there again refusing to play when requested would on the face of it seem a valid reason for applying a fine
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Think the difference being that if you as an employee were asked to return to work and the processes are there to porect you / social distancing etc, you not no grounds to reject.
If you were asked to go to work and would have to isolate for 6 weeks to do so, you would probably say to your employer, you have no right to insist on this.
A club cannot insist a player plays (and fine them if they do not) if the only conditions under which they can play (isolating for 6 weeks) are outside of their contract and unenforceable.
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 seconds ago
I just don't see how it can be back in June. People are forgetting it's not just the footballers who will be at these games. It's the staff, the officials, the camera crews, the stadium operators, etc...
Surely all it takes is one person to get ill and then everyone that's been in contact with them is self isolating for 2 weeks.
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I don't think people are forgetting that. I'm certainly not, since I've been going into work this hole time and I'm gradually seeing more people coming back and traffic on the increase during rush hour. Businesses are starting to reopen and many have pencilled in June to reopen. I don't see why the PL should be any different and in fact it's likely safer than most places, considering the money they have and the planned testing every week.
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You can't social distance on a football pitch though
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Of course you can't. What's your point? Can you social distance in schools and shops that plan to open in June?
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Odd comparison because in schools and shops, most people don't try and make contact with people and spit and sweat over them. Not around here anyway.
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shops and schools also being essential services and not entertainment.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 seconds ago
I just don't see how it can be back in June. People are forgetting it's not just the footballers who will be at these games. It's the staff, the officials, the camera crews, the stadium operators, etc...
Surely all it takes is one person to get ill and then everyone that's been in contact with them is self isolating for 2 weeks.
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I don't think people are forgetting that. I'm certainly not, since I've been going into work this hole time and I'm gradually seeing more people coming back and traffic on the increase during rush hour. Businesses are starting to reopen and many have pencilled in June to reopen. I don't see why the PL should be any different and in fact it's likely safer than most places, considering the money they have and the planned testing every week.
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You can't social distance on a football pitch though
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Of course you can't. What's your point? Can you social distance in schools and shops that plan to open in June?
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Odd comparison because in schools and shops, most people don't try and make contact with people and spit and sweat over them. Not around here anyway.
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shops and schools also being essential services and not entertainment.
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But it's not just entertainment is it? It's entertainment for you. It's business for others and income for the government. When it's safe to do so, businesses will start back. Boris has just announced the peak is over so we should now begin to see a decline in cases and things opening back up. Football won't be left behind just because you see it as entertainment.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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Interesting point regarding pay and I don't claim to know the answer, but what I would say is does the fact the players are contracted to be paid x/week, however I understand fines can be levied at players for certain rule breaking, but I'm sure what they could be fined for is strictly laid out in the contract, there again refusing to play when requested would on the face of it seem a valid reason for applying a fine
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Think the difference being that if you as an employee were asked to return to work and the processes are there to porect you / social distancing etc, you not no grounds to reject.
If you were asked to go to work and would have to isolate for 6 weeks to do so, you would probably say to your employer, you have no right to insist on this.
A club cannot insist a player plays (and fine them if they do not) if the only conditions under which they can play (isolating for 6 weeks) are outside of their contract and unenforceable.
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No. Some of the people can't social distance. They need to work closely together. There are four people in my office, which is quite small.
Social distancing can only be done if possible. If it's not possible then you still have to work. Also social distancing at work won't last forever, the present isn't going to be the end, there is a future also, where things improve, which is why they set a future date and not the present.
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 18 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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No but when you are rewarded very handsomely you should be able to suck it up for six weeks given the circumstances.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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It makes it easier, tens of thousands per week to play football.
Not to mention that the players have been at home for weeks right now anyway which is more than they would have been in any normal year.
Imagine being a soldier on 35k a year and spending months away on deployment.
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posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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Interesting point regarding pay and I don't claim to know the answer, but what I would say is does the fact the players are contracted to be paid x/week, however I understand fines can be levied at players for certain rule breaking, but I'm sure what they could be fined for is strictly laid out in the contract, there again refusing to play when requested would on the face of it seem a valid reason for applying a fine
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Think the difference being that if you as an employee were asked to return to work and the processes are there to porect you / social distancing etc, you not no grounds to reject.
If you were asked to go to work and would have to isolate for 6 weeks to do so, you would probably say to your employer, you have no right to insist on this.
A club cannot insist a player plays (and fine them if they do not) if the only conditions under which they can play (isolating for 6 weeks) are outside of their contract and unenforceable.
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No. Some of the people can't social distance. They need to work closely together. There are four people in my office, which is quite small.
Social distancing can only be done if possible. If it's not possible then you still have to work. Also social distancing at work won't last forever, the present isn't going to be the end, there is a future also, where things improve, which is why they set a future date and not the present.
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Exactly. I do analytics for tesco dot com. I'm lucky I can work from home. 95% cannot and are working through necessity, with little to no protection.
Pl footballers are worth hundreds of millions and will assessed daily, tested twice a week, whilst being paid ludicrous sums in quarantine. And they will have measures far more stringent than anywhere else I can imagine, with limited exposure.
Ask the people delivering their food if they have them measures and they would laugh in your face.
I think, like posters on here, most have a bias. The players facing potential relegation if the league continues generally favour voiding the season. ..what a surprise. This with trophies to chase fancy resuming the league.
Do these players realise their employees may no longer exist if they don't cooperate? I'm not sure they realise or if they are bothered. By comparison to front line staff they are being pampered with precautions.
Funny people are championing safety when it comes to millionaire footballers but no one says nothing about there being no social distancing from the people picking your shopping. No protection or mandatory testing.
The quotes I've read from Aguero's suggest he has little idea what covid is, or that when you earn millions it's possible to stay wmaeay from your family for a few weeks. Especially when you've been with them for two months getting paid!
Guidance on social distancing in the work place are pretty broad - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/guidance-for-employers-and-businesses-on-coronavirus-covid-19#social-distancing-in-the-workplace---principles
Football is a contact sport where participants will hold grapple sweat spit administer medical treatment etc This is totally in the face of all the advice. Even when work places account meet the full requirements, some steps can be used to limit possible spread. No possible in contact sport.
What does the fact these people earn millions have to do with anything. Seriously, if their wages are an issue then the club does something about it. Just because someone is paid well does not make it any more of a necessity they return to work than anyone else. It's a pathetic argument. They have contracts, terms of employment, employment rights etc just like any one else.
I appreciate you can create an improved environment for playing, with less risk. I do question whether players will want to or be able to be forced to play/train under these circumstances. Some will some might not.
A covid trest is a snapshot of that moment in time. Tested today, results tomorrow, but contract it in between meaning 2 days exposing to others before next test - others being potentially other players, family kids/parents etc.
Due to the nature of contact sport it is more likely to transfer in these situations than me sat at work in a different office or corner of an office to a colleague.
My wife works in the NHS. Colleagues have gone off sick, been tested day 3, negative results day 4, so return to work day 5 or 6, feel unwell soon after, tested again and positive so potentially positive since 3 or 4 and spreading without knowing for 3 or 4 days.
The only way to be certain is total isolation of everyone involved for the period of remaining season (5 - 6 weeks) , including all refs, physios, media, admin, players managers, coaches etc. That may be too much to ask.
I read today that no player will be forced to play if they'd prefer not to, can you imagine the terraces reaction next season to those who choose not to
However, again the integrity of the game and results will be undermined if we only have a partial return
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posted on 30/4/20
WHich is why many see a them and us. LFC thinking only about themselves with little comprehension of the plight of those potentially relegated or those potentially denied promotion. Understandable to a degree but a real lack of objectivity from the vast majority and anyone who applies any objectivity is accused of having an anti LFC agenda.
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This is pretty Mich the other way around.
The authorities seem to agree with Liverpool fans which means there's valid reasons for the arguments bit every comment by a Liverpool fan leads to accusations of bias and not caring about this or that. Theres valid reasons to both arguments.
People coming out with absurd theories are using this as a defence, as in attacking people to avoid valid criticism of a brainfart comment/opinion.
posted on 30/4/20
Its not Liverpool's fault that their agenda aligns with that of saving football from Covid if possible, in that every possible attempt to finish the season safely will be made and that aligns with the interest of a Liverpool fan.
But we all agree that the key word is "safely". Still doesn't stop all the accusations and guilt trips by being accused of not caring.
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posted 27 seconds ago
I just don't see how it can be back in June. People are forgetting it's not just the footballers who will be at these games. It's the staff, the officials, the camera crews, the stadium operators, etc...
Surely all it takes is one person to get ill and then everyone that's been in contact with them is self isolating for 2 weeks.
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I don't think people are forgetting that. I'm certainly not, since I've been going into work this hole time and I'm gradually seeing more people coming back and traffic on the increase during rush hour. Businesses are starting to reopen and many have pencilled in June to reopen. I don't see why the PL should be any different and in fact it's likely safer than most places, considering the money they have and the planned testing every week.
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You can't social distance on a football pitch though
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Of course you can't. What's your point? Can you social distance in schools and shops that plan to open in June?
posted on 30/4/20
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posted 35 minutes ago
"My team loses out if the season isn’t finished. I am desperate for football to return WHEN SAFE TO DO SO.
Perhaps there is a reason all Liverpool fans want it concluded whereas others have a range of opinions."
Why is it 'us v them'? You have just stated your preferred option exactly matches what many Liverpool fans have said. "football to return WHEN SAFE TO DO SO".
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Because every LFC fan advocates any approach that declares them as winners regardless of how the relegated teams/promotion teams are treated in this scenario.
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Of course every Liverpool fan advocates the approach that gives them the title, as do most non-Liverpool fans from what I can tell. I'm not sure why this is a negative? Relegation is a separate issue and if the season can't continue, then it will need decided on also.
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WHich is why many see a them and us. LFC thinking only about themselves with little comprehension of the plight of those potentially relegated or those potentially denied promotion. Understandable to a degree but a real lack of objectivity from the vast majority and anyone who applies any objectivity is accused of having an anti LFC agenda.
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Which is of course utter nonsense.
posted on 30/4/20
Devon is starting to sound like BitterBilly.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
posted on 30/4/20
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posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
Devon is starting to sound like BitterBilly.
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Hey, I would love to see the league restart. Spurs have way more to gain from a strong end to this season than it being abandoned - not least getting some sort of coherrance in our team and play with teh benefit of a fully fit squad to. UCL was an outside chance for us needing svereal others to fail. Europa is a good opportunity to blood player but not a big earner so i am ambivalent to where we end, more interested in gaining some momentum.
But i pitch this in a reasoned context of (1) Football has to start only when safe to do so and not in a way that flies in the face of general covid/social distancing guidance and (2) is fair to all. If it cannot be completed in this way then how it is resolved has to be fair and consistent to all. Theres nothing bitter about this, its reasoned and objective.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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In your example people were asked to return to work.
In the case of the restart people are being asked to isolate from family etc for 6 weeks so that their work (the rest of the season) can be be completed. Materially different to being told furlough has ended and you are to return to work.
If half your squad did not want to isolate for 6 weeks (and there is likely nothing an employee can do to make them) then this is an issue to completing the season. The vast majority need to be on board. Legally there is nothing the EPL can do if what they are asking their clubs.players to do is outside of their contract and cannot be enforced.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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Interesting point regarding pay and I don't claim to know the answer, but what I would say is does the fact the players are contracted to be paid x/week, however I understand fines can be levied at players for certain rule breaking, but I'm sure what they could be fined for is strictly laid out in the contract, there again refusing to play when requested would on the face of it seem a valid reason for applying a fine
posted on 30/4/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 seconds ago
I just don't see how it can be back in June. People are forgetting it's not just the footballers who will be at these games. It's the staff, the officials, the camera crews, the stadium operators, etc...
Surely all it takes is one person to get ill and then everyone that's been in contact with them is self isolating for 2 weeks.
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I don't think people are forgetting that. I'm certainly not, since I've been going into work this hole time and I'm gradually seeing more people coming back and traffic on the increase during rush hour. Businesses are starting to reopen and many have pencilled in June to reopen. I don't see why the PL should be any different and in fact it's likely safer than most places, considering the money they have and the planned testing every week.
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You can't social distance on a football pitch though
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Of course you can't. What's your point? Can you social distance in schools and shops that plan to open in June?
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Odd comparison because in schools and shops, most people don't try and make contact with people and spit and sweat over them. Not around here anyway.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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Interesting point regarding pay and I don't claim to know the answer, but what I would say is does the fact the players are contracted to be paid x/week, however I understand fines can be levied at players for certain rule breaking, but I'm sure what they could be fined for is strictly laid out in the contract, there again refusing to play when requested would on the face of it seem a valid reason for applying a fine
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Think the difference being that if you as an employee were asked to return to work and the processes are there to porect you / social distancing etc, you not no grounds to reject.
If you were asked to go to work and would have to isolate for 6 weeks to do so, you would probably say to your employer, you have no right to insist on this.
A club cannot insist a player plays (and fine them if they do not) if the only conditions under which they can play (isolating for 6 weeks) are outside of their contract and unenforceable.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 seconds ago
I just don't see how it can be back in June. People are forgetting it's not just the footballers who will be at these games. It's the staff, the officials, the camera crews, the stadium operators, etc...
Surely all it takes is one person to get ill and then everyone that's been in contact with them is self isolating for 2 weeks.
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I don't think people are forgetting that. I'm certainly not, since I've been going into work this hole time and I'm gradually seeing more people coming back and traffic on the increase during rush hour. Businesses are starting to reopen and many have pencilled in June to reopen. I don't see why the PL should be any different and in fact it's likely safer than most places, considering the money they have and the planned testing every week.
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You can't social distance on a football pitch though
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Of course you can't. What's your point? Can you social distance in schools and shops that plan to open in June?
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Odd comparison because in schools and shops, most people don't try and make contact with people and spit and sweat over them. Not around here anyway.
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shops and schools also being essential services and not entertainment.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 5 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 27 seconds ago
I just don't see how it can be back in June. People are forgetting it's not just the footballers who will be at these games. It's the staff, the officials, the camera crews, the stadium operators, etc...
Surely all it takes is one person to get ill and then everyone that's been in contact with them is self isolating for 2 weeks.
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I don't think people are forgetting that. I'm certainly not, since I've been going into work this hole time and I'm gradually seeing more people coming back and traffic on the increase during rush hour. Businesses are starting to reopen and many have pencilled in June to reopen. I don't see why the PL should be any different and in fact it's likely safer than most places, considering the money they have and the planned testing every week.
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You can't social distance on a football pitch though
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Of course you can't. What's your point? Can you social distance in schools and shops that plan to open in June?
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Odd comparison because in schools and shops, most people don't try and make contact with people and spit and sweat over them. Not around here anyway.
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shops and schools also being essential services and not entertainment.
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But it's not just entertainment is it? It's entertainment for you. It's business for others and income for the government. When it's safe to do so, businesses will start back. Boris has just announced the peak is over so we should now begin to see a decline in cases and things opening back up. Football won't be left behind just because you see it as entertainment.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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Interesting point regarding pay and I don't claim to know the answer, but what I would say is does the fact the players are contracted to be paid x/week, however I understand fines can be levied at players for certain rule breaking, but I'm sure what they could be fined for is strictly laid out in the contract, there again refusing to play when requested would on the face of it seem a valid reason for applying a fine
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Think the difference being that if you as an employee were asked to return to work and the processes are there to porect you / social distancing etc, you not no grounds to reject.
If you were asked to go to work and would have to isolate for 6 weeks to do so, you would probably say to your employer, you have no right to insist on this.
A club cannot insist a player plays (and fine them if they do not) if the only conditions under which they can play (isolating for 6 weeks) are outside of their contract and unenforceable.
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No. Some of the people can't social distance. They need to work closely together. There are four people in my office, which is quite small.
Social distancing can only be done if possible. If it's not possible then you still have to work. Also social distancing at work won't last forever, the present isn't going to be the end, there is a future also, where things improve, which is why they set a future date and not the present.
posted on 30/4/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 18 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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No but when you are rewarded very handsomely you should be able to suck it up for six weeks given the circumstances.
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Missing the point
posted on 1/5/20
When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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It makes it easier, tens of thousands per week to play football.
Not to mention that the players have been at home for weeks right now anyway which is more than they would have been in any normal year.
Imagine being a soldier on 35k a year and spending months away on deployment.
posted on 1/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 16 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Stay Safe (U1250)
posted 10 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 28 minutes ago
No doubt football can be played again behind closed doors with simple procedures.
Quarantine in a hotel as a group once tested and have a skeleton crew of essential staff for the games. It isn't an impossible ask.
The hurdle will be the clowns complaining that footballers shouldn't be asked to make a sacrifice and quarantine which is laughable of course given the money they are paid and how much many others sacrifice in other walks of life.
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When you are paid a lot, does that make you psychologically stronger? Does money not make you miss your children? Does money replace a father for a kid missing his dad?
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Lots of players in the PL have their families in separate countries, let alone ones that play in one end of the country with their families based at the other end (due to transfers etc)
Suggesting soldiers/navy etc can go months on end with no family contact but a PL player earning 100k+ a week cannot go 4-6 weeks in quarantine seems a bit daft to me. Time to roll up their sleeves. Earn their crust in a time of crisis.
Look at Bournemouth. Low crowds and probably won't survive a cancelled season with no TV revenue. It would def cripple them to some degree. Imagine being a big earner and trying to say
"sorry lads, can't do a 4-6 week quarantine, which could mean the club's survival as we know it, as I need to spend time with the family" (that theyve been locked up with for weeks already whilst getting paid).
Pl TV money is 83% of their revenue. In a time of crisis players need to do their part too and observe the safety measures that will keep their teams afloat, and make it possible to resume the campaign, whilst keeping everyone safe.
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Thats a nice sentiment but players are not obliged to act in this way (like any employee) and if a club is genuinely threatened by the loss in revenue then they would likely seek a drop in wages.
It would be interesting to see what players would prefer and there would probably be a mix, which is what makes this difficult as you would need the whole squad on board.
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Why do you need everybody on board? You've to come into the work that you get paid for like everybody else. If you don't like it, you don't get paid, like everybody else.
Few people tried that stunt in my place last week, they were asked nicely to come into work, end furlough for a week before getting put back on it. 20 people out of the 40 people needed replied. The other 20 needed were subsequently told they could go onto statutory sick pay, if they can't come in. They replied.
I'm here, working every day since this started and they can't do a week, sitting at home getting paid regardless. Footballers will be expected to come into work also, whether they like it or not, like the rest of us.
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Interesting point regarding pay and I don't claim to know the answer, but what I would say is does the fact the players are contracted to be paid x/week, however I understand fines can be levied at players for certain rule breaking, but I'm sure what they could be fined for is strictly laid out in the contract, there again refusing to play when requested would on the face of it seem a valid reason for applying a fine
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Think the difference being that if you as an employee were asked to return to work and the processes are there to porect you / social distancing etc, you not no grounds to reject.
If you were asked to go to work and would have to isolate for 6 weeks to do so, you would probably say to your employer, you have no right to insist on this.
A club cannot insist a player plays (and fine them if they do not) if the only conditions under which they can play (isolating for 6 weeks) are outside of their contract and unenforceable.
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No. Some of the people can't social distance. They need to work closely together. There are four people in my office, which is quite small.
Social distancing can only be done if possible. If it's not possible then you still have to work. Also social distancing at work won't last forever, the present isn't going to be the end, there is a future also, where things improve, which is why they set a future date and not the present.
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Exactly. I do analytics for tesco dot com. I'm lucky I can work from home. 95% cannot and are working through necessity, with little to no protection.
Pl footballers are worth hundreds of millions and will assessed daily, tested twice a week, whilst being paid ludicrous sums in quarantine. And they will have measures far more stringent than anywhere else I can imagine, with limited exposure.
Ask the people delivering their food if they have them measures and they would laugh in your face.
I think, like posters on here, most have a bias. The players facing potential relegation if the league continues generally favour voiding the season. ..what a surprise. This with trophies to chase fancy resuming the league.
Do these players realise their employees may no longer exist if they don't cooperate? I'm not sure they realise or if they are bothered. By comparison to front line staff they are being pampered with precautions.
Funny people are championing safety when it comes to millionaire footballers but no one says nothing about there being no social distancing from the people picking your shopping. No protection or mandatory testing.
The quotes I've read from Aguero's suggest he has little idea what covid is, or that when you earn millions it's possible to stay wmaeay from your family for a few weeks. Especially when you've been with them for two months getting paid!
posted on 1/5/20
Guidance on social distancing in the work place are pretty broad - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/guidance-for-employers-and-businesses-on-coronavirus-covid-19#social-distancing-in-the-workplace---principles
Football is a contact sport where participants will hold grapple sweat spit administer medical treatment etc This is totally in the face of all the advice. Even when work places account meet the full requirements, some steps can be used to limit possible spread. No possible in contact sport.
What does the fact these people earn millions have to do with anything. Seriously, if their wages are an issue then the club does something about it. Just because someone is paid well does not make it any more of a necessity they return to work than anyone else. It's a pathetic argument. They have contracts, terms of employment, employment rights etc just like any one else.
I appreciate you can create an improved environment for playing, with less risk. I do question whether players will want to or be able to be forced to play/train under these circumstances. Some will some might not.
A covid trest is a snapshot of that moment in time. Tested today, results tomorrow, but contract it in between meaning 2 days exposing to others before next test - others being potentially other players, family kids/parents etc.
Due to the nature of contact sport it is more likely to transfer in these situations than me sat at work in a different office or corner of an office to a colleague.
My wife works in the NHS. Colleagues have gone off sick, been tested day 3, negative results day 4, so return to work day 5 or 6, feel unwell soon after, tested again and positive so potentially positive since 3 or 4 and spreading without knowing for 3 or 4 days.
The only way to be certain is total isolation of everyone involved for the period of remaining season (5 - 6 weeks) , including all refs, physios, media, admin, players managers, coaches etc. That may be too much to ask.
posted on 1/5/20
I read today that no player will be forced to play if they'd prefer not to, can you imagine the terraces reaction next season to those who choose not to
However, again the integrity of the game and results will be undermined if we only have a partial return
posted on 1/5/20
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posted on 1/5/20
And there goes the integrity of recommencing the league even further with the announcement that neutral venues is the only way it can be achieved - so no home advantage then
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