People are comparing the goalscoring of likes of Figo and Nedved to wingers nowadays who are basically forwards, when they actually played on the wing and their main job was to create.
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I think this is an issue with modern fans, you see all these threads on Twitter about various players who are overrated and they don't take into account, or just simply aren't aware, of the development of football throughout the years, how tactics, coaching, transfers, sports-science, an even positions have even changed.
They also put modern day standards on players and teams, one I saw on Reddit was that Arsenal's title winners of 2004 weren't that good because they "only" won it with 90 points.
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Another candidate is Raul Gonzalez - get a legend status in Real Madrid despite never got more than 20 goals in the league in his career
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This isn’t true
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One thing you can't criticise Raul about is goalscoring. He scored over 300 goals for Madrid and over 60 of them in the CL.
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He played like 750 games lol
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Over a 1 in 2 record. He also got over 100 assists. He was an outstanding player.
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323 in 741 is a lot less than 1 in 2 though.
Still a good player though.
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 1 minute ago
People are comparing the goalscoring of likes of Figo and Nedved to wingers nowadays who are basically forwards, when they actually played on the wing and their main job was to create.
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I think this is an issue with modern fans, you see all these threads on Twitter about various players who are overrated and they don't take into account, or just simply aren't aware, of the development of football throughout the years, how tactics, coaching, transfers, sports-science, an even positions have even changed.
They also put modern day standards on players and teams, one I saw on Reddit was that Arsenal's title winners of 2004 weren't that good because they "only" won it with 90 points.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Tbf the only reason xavi and iniesta weren’t is because of Ronaldinho and Messi
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And the exact same fate happened to Scholes. He was never United’s best player because in various seasons we had someone who was better.
That does not alter the fact that Scholes was one of United best midfield players ever and is rated as such by most of us.
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Not really. Messi and Ronaldinho were the best players in the world during xavis time. Scholes only had ronaldo one year when he was the best
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
Not sure if it’s quite what the article meant. But Michael Ballack at Chelsea is perhaps one of my most controversial overrated players. Not that his career as a whole was overrated.
But at Chelsea, particularly towards the end, he was just really slow and immobile and I distinctly remember most fans on Chelsea forums all over wanting him sold. Surreally just a few months after he was sold it turned into this ‘massive’ mistake of selling a Chelsea legend.
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You say some odd things on here bk
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
I have to disagree with any saying Sterling. I think there’s just some who’ll never appreciate him, he’ll go down as one of the best PL wingers (if he stays, and if he isn’t there already) and break all kinds of records
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Another odd thing. I’d have several wingers in the pl now over sterling, 3 of them at city
in my opinion his reputation is as a member of one of the best midfields we've seen. He's mentioned alongside Xavi (and to a less extent Busquets) as Barca's great midfield but he was never the star. Never the Messi or the Ronaldinho, or even the Neymar or Suarez.
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This is why in my opinion Iniesta is slightly underrated. He's often thought of as part of a wonderful unit (which he was) and I think that has got in the way of people appreciating what a sublime player he was individually. I remember having this revelation while watching him playing for Spain in the 2012 Euros. Ignore all the quality around him for a moment and you realise what an incredible player he was.
There's a wider philosophical question in that. Do we notice players better when they're surrounded by inferior players (their quality underlined by the contrast) or when they're able to participate in a higher level of football due to the quality of their team mates? Would Lampard have been better appreciated as an individual at Liverpool? Would Gerrard have stood out as much in a title winning Mourinho team? Was Suarez performing at a lower level when he first moved to Barcelona or was it simply that he didn't tower above the others as he had at Liverpool?
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I think what people mean about King being overrated is he is rated as what people thought he may have been, had he not got the injuries, rather than what he was. He was still behind a few defenders for England, when he actually played.
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All I can say (and I know its with bias) is that having watched Campbell a lot and then followed by King, Ledley was so far more advanced than Campbell and I can admit Sol was very good. He was behind a few defenders for England because they had built up decent pairings and Ledley's fitness was an issue. But whenever he played for England his ability always stood out in comparison to the other so called rated defenders.
Gerrard
Zizouverrated
Iniesta
Bale
Van Dijk
Not that it necessarily means Iniesta is over or underrated but in Spain he’s an absolute legend in a way I don’t think any English player is here. His picture is everywhere, he’s on TV advertising insurance, his face is on the side of buses etc
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Frank Lampard. He just had A LOT of shots at goal every game and some went in
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This, like the deflection thing, is actually rubbish. He was very clinical
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From what I’ve seen so far, Sancho seems a bit overated. So far...
People will have their opinions about Scholes, but I will say one thing:
I watched him play live over 100 times, and probably over 500 times in total. He did certain things with a football I’ve never seen any other player do with the same degree of consistency and for me, he’s the best player I’ve seen at Manchester United in 30 years.
And I include Ronaldo’s years at OT, and prime Giggs, Keane, Ferdinand and Rooney in that.
Overrated at United have been Rafael, Anderson, Evra (to an extent), Heinze, Yorke, Herrera, and even Keane.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Bryan Robson
Controversial I admit but imo was not fit to lace keanes boots
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We will have to disagree on that one Irish.
I think Robbo was the better all round player. Not a lot in it but Robbo excelled among the crap we had back then. Keano was mostly surrounded by quality.
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Agreed 100%
Sterling is a good pick. Hasn't turned up enough in big games and should score more goals than he does. Only started turning up for City and England since he's been managed under Pep.
Although, he's young enough to start changing opinion, like Zlatan did. Basically he's at the age where most people still didn't even know who Zidane was, which makes Zidane somewhat overrated too.
Overrated and underrated are fairly meaningless terms tbh. More often than when some says "x" is underrated, they are overrating them.
The suggestion that Raul is "overrated" doesn't really make much sense to me. He was a brilliant player and Real madrid legend, runner up in the Ballon D'or and has won more less everything a player can win.
It's also not as if he is ever compared to the very best in history. He was an extremely talented player; a great goal scorer who is also creative and hardworking.
It only makes sense that he is highly rated...
No way Zidane and Raul were overated. Both were top class..
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Bryan Robson
Controversial I admit but imo was not fit to lace keanes boots
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We will have to disagree on that one Irish.
I think Robbo was the better all round player. Not a lot in it but Robbo excelled among the crap we had back then. Keano was mostly surrounded by quality.
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Agreed 100%
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Robson was a great player but was surrounded by some quality players at utd as well
That being said I think people do overstate how good Suarez, Kante and Scholes were/are
Ability wise sure but Zidane only had maybe 2 or 3 seasons were he was consistently at it. There's a reason why the juventus and madrid fans are so luke warm on him compared to the fans who only watched him in the big games
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
No way Zidane and Raul were overated. Both were top class..
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I don't get either of these opinions.
If anything Raul is underrated tbh.
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posted on 5/5/20
People are comparing the goalscoring of likes of Figo and Nedved to wingers nowadays who are basically forwards, when they actually played on the wing and their main job was to create.
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I think this is an issue with modern fans, you see all these threads on Twitter about various players who are overrated and they don't take into account, or just simply aren't aware, of the development of football throughout the years, how tactics, coaching, transfers, sports-science, an even positions have even changed.
They also put modern day standards on players and teams, one I saw on Reddit was that Arsenal's title winners of 2004 weren't that good because they "only" won it with 90 points.
posted on 5/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by red_evils (U19878)
posted 9 minutes ago
Another candidate is Raul Gonzalez - get a legend status in Real Madrid despite never got more than 20 goals in the league in his career
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This isn’t true
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One thing you can't criticise Raul about is goalscoring. He scored over 300 goals for Madrid and over 60 of them in the CL.
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He played like 750 games lol
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Over a 1 in 2 record. He also got over 100 assists. He was an outstanding player.
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323 in 741 is a lot less than 1 in 2 though.
Still a good player though.
posted on 5/5/20
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 1 minute ago
People are comparing the goalscoring of likes of Figo and Nedved to wingers nowadays who are basically forwards, when they actually played on the wing and their main job was to create.
......................................................................
I think this is an issue with modern fans, you see all these threads on Twitter about various players who are overrated and they don't take into account, or just simply aren't aware, of the development of football throughout the years, how tactics, coaching, transfers, sports-science, an even positions have even changed.
They also put modern day standards on players and teams, one I saw on Reddit was that Arsenal's title winners of 2004 weren't that good because they "only" won it with 90 points.
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posted on 5/5/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
Tbf the only reason xavi and iniesta weren’t is because of Ronaldinho and Messi
.....
And the exact same fate happened to Scholes. He was never United’s best player because in various seasons we had someone who was better.
That does not alter the fact that Scholes was one of United best midfield players ever and is rated as such by most of us.
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Not really. Messi and Ronaldinho were the best players in the world during xavis time. Scholes only had ronaldo one year when he was the best
posted on 5/5/20
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
Not sure if it’s quite what the article meant. But Michael Ballack at Chelsea is perhaps one of my most controversial overrated players. Not that his career as a whole was overrated.
But at Chelsea, particularly towards the end, he was just really slow and immobile and I distinctly remember most fans on Chelsea forums all over wanting him sold. Surreally just a few months after he was sold it turned into this ‘massive’ mistake of selling a Chelsea legend.
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You say some odd things on here bk
posted on 5/5/20
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 2 hours, 16 minutes ago
I have to disagree with any saying Sterling. I think there’s just some who’ll never appreciate him, he’ll go down as one of the best PL wingers (if he stays, and if he isn’t there already) and break all kinds of records
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Another odd thing. I’d have several wingers in the pl now over sterling, 3 of them at city
posted on 5/5/20
in my opinion his reputation is as a member of one of the best midfields we've seen. He's mentioned alongside Xavi (and to a less extent Busquets) as Barca's great midfield but he was never the star. Never the Messi or the Ronaldinho, or even the Neymar or Suarez.
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This is why in my opinion Iniesta is slightly underrated. He's often thought of as part of a wonderful unit (which he was) and I think that has got in the way of people appreciating what a sublime player he was individually. I remember having this revelation while watching him playing for Spain in the 2012 Euros. Ignore all the quality around him for a moment and you realise what an incredible player he was.
There's a wider philosophical question in that. Do we notice players better when they're surrounded by inferior players (their quality underlined by the contrast) or when they're able to participate in a higher level of football due to the quality of their team mates? Would Lampard have been better appreciated as an individual at Liverpool? Would Gerrard have stood out as much in a title winning Mourinho team? Was Suarez performing at a lower level when he first moved to Barcelona or was it simply that he didn't tower above the others as he had at Liverpool?
posted on 5/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I think what people mean about King being overrated is he is rated as what people thought he may have been, had he not got the injuries, rather than what he was. He was still behind a few defenders for England, when he actually played.
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All I can say (and I know its with bias) is that having watched Campbell a lot and then followed by King, Ledley was so far more advanced than Campbell and I can admit Sol was very good. He was behind a few defenders for England because they had built up decent pairings and Ledley's fitness was an issue. But whenever he played for England his ability always stood out in comparison to the other so called rated defenders.
posted on 5/5/20
Gerrard
Zizouverrated
Iniesta
Bale
Van Dijk
posted on 5/5/20
Not that it necessarily means Iniesta is over or underrated but in Spain he’s an absolute legend in a way I don’t think any English player is here. His picture is everywhere, he’s on TV advertising insurance, his face is on the side of buses etc
posted on 5/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Frank Lampard. He just had A LOT of shots at goal every game and some went in
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This, like the deflection thing, is actually rubbish. He was very clinical
posted on 5/5/20
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Kane
Kane
Kane
posted on 5/5/20
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posted on 5/5/20
From what I’ve seen so far, Sancho seems a bit overated. So far...
posted on 5/5/20
People will have their opinions about Scholes, but I will say one thing:
I watched him play live over 100 times, and probably over 500 times in total. He did certain things with a football I’ve never seen any other player do with the same degree of consistency and for me, he’s the best player I’ve seen at Manchester United in 30 years.
And I include Ronaldo’s years at OT, and prime Giggs, Keane, Ferdinand and Rooney in that.
posted on 5/5/20
Overrated at United have been Rafael, Anderson, Evra (to an extent), Heinze, Yorke, Herrera, and even Keane.
posted on 5/5/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Bryan Robson
Controversial I admit but imo was not fit to lace keanes boots
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We will have to disagree on that one Irish.
I think Robbo was the better all round player. Not a lot in it but Robbo excelled among the crap we had back then. Keano was mostly surrounded by quality.
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Agreed 100%
posted on 5/5/20
Sterling is a good pick. Hasn't turned up enough in big games and should score more goals than he does. Only started turning up for City and England since he's been managed under Pep.
Although, he's young enough to start changing opinion, like Zlatan did. Basically he's at the age where most people still didn't even know who Zidane was, which makes Zidane somewhat overrated too.
posted on 5/5/20
Overrated and underrated are fairly meaningless terms tbh. More often than when some says "x" is underrated, they are overrating them.
The suggestion that Raul is "overrated" doesn't really make much sense to me. He was a brilliant player and Real madrid legend, runner up in the Ballon D'or and has won more less everything a player can win.
It's also not as if he is ever compared to the very best in history. He was an extremely talented player; a great goal scorer who is also creative and hardworking.
It only makes sense that he is highly rated...
posted on 5/5/20
Probably Zidane
posted on 5/5/20
No way Zidane and Raul were overated. Both were top class..
posted on 5/5/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
Bryan Robson
Controversial I admit but imo was not fit to lace keanes boots
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We will have to disagree on that one Irish.
I think Robbo was the better all round player. Not a lot in it but Robbo excelled among the crap we had back then. Keano was mostly surrounded by quality.
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Agreed 100%
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Robson was a great player but was surrounded by some quality players at utd as well
posted on 5/5/20
That being said I think people do overstate how good Suarez, Kante and Scholes were/are
posted on 5/5/20
Ability wise sure but Zidane only had maybe 2 or 3 seasons were he was consistently at it. There's a reason why the juventus and madrid fans are so luke warm on him compared to the fans who only watched him in the big games
posted on 5/5/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
No way Zidane and Raul were overated. Both were top class..
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I don't get either of these opinions.
If anything Raul is underrated tbh.
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