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The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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It's not the view of a Tory voter. I have the exact same view and have voted Labour all my life. Corbyn and the whole party massively facked up the last 3.years. The fact someone like Johnoson and this terrible Conservative party filled with individuals who are so unlikable can win by such a majority is an indictment on just how poor Corbyn was as a leader. I am hoping Starmer can show some actual leadership and balls, something Corbyn never had.
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Good summary. I have no political allegiances, but know how incompetent this government is so didn't vote for them. However, because of Corbyn I didn't vote labour either. His pathetic Brexit stance and the fact he would very negatively affect the industry I work in along with general nonsensical plans meant I couldn't vote for him.
Starmer looks a class act, real pedigree from being a top lawyer and is handling things smartly. Will happily vote for him.
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Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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posted 2 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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More than 70% of the party voted remain, why would he have gone against the voting demographic?
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comment by sandy (U20567)
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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
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The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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So nothing about his personal view on Brexit and EU, constantly dodge the questions on that subject.
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Why would his personal view on Brexit or the EU make him unelectable, every other politician has a personal view and also dodge questions. Why is he any different?
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posted 6 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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He would be the only one who knows how he voted, and if he said he voted to stay, then I believer him. You don`t know how he voted, other than what he constantly said, he voted to stay.
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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Yes of course he did. He had to effectively be forced at gunpoint to shill for remain in order to keep his job.
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Oh my!
You don't believe Corbyns lies but you chomp up the Tories lies.
What was that about shill?
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The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
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I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
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This.
He should be voted out long in leadership vote long before the GE and this is from a person who voted for Corbyn in the last election.
Besides, the remain votes were so splitted across parties - we have SNP in Scotland, then Lib Dem disaster where Jo Swinton suddenly felt she can be a PM. On the other side, Boris just needed Brexit party to stand aside and clearly someone had a word with Farage so he changed his tone within a day.
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What was it about his policies you didn`t like? I hear a lot about why he was unelectable. But nobody actually tells me why?
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He was undetectable because all evidence for 4 years showed that voters didn't see him as strong or credible. The only time that changed was for around a month after the 2017 election. His ratings were weak amongst voters the whole time. It isn't just his fault. His ideologies are what they are. I agree with most of them. The issue is, in what is essentially a two party system for the most part, you cannot have someone who splits a party so much in charge. The Labour party has gone into free fall in the heart land of Labour areas due to his leadership. Without that support, it will never be back in power.
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Strong and credible, like Johnson is, he messed up Brexit, couldn`t get it through, shut down Parliament, lied to the Queen, has messed up Coronavirus, and stupidly caught it himself.
That`s not strong leadership. That is about as bad it gets.
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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
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I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
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This.
He should be voted out long in leadership vote long before the GE and this is from a person who voted for Corbyn in the last election.
Besides, the remain votes were so splitted across parties - we have SNP in Scotland, then Lib Dem disaster where Jo Swinton suddenly felt she can be a PM. On the other side, Boris just needed Brexit party to stand aside and clearly someone had a word with Farage so he changed his tone within a day.
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What was it about his policies you didn`t like? I hear a lot about why he was unelectable. But nobody actually tells me why?
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He was undetectable because all evidence for 4 years showed that voters didn't see him as strong or credible. The only time that changed was for around a month after the 2017 election. His ratings were weak amongst voters the whole time. It isn't just his fault. His ideologies are what they are. I agree with most of them. The issue is, in what is essentially a two party system for the most part, you cannot have someone who splits a party so much in charge. The Labour party has gone into free fall in the heart land of Labour areas due to his leadership. Without that support, it will never be back in power.
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Also there was a feeling that Labour would just say anything to anybody that they felt would get them the victory.
For example they claimed (although many experts felt it was too ambitious) that their manifesto was fully costed and doable. Yet the next day after as an afterthought they found another 58bil for the Waspi women. Folk simply didn't think this was credible.
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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Yes of course he did. He had to effectively be forced at gunpoint to shill for remain in order to keep his job.
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Oh my!
You don't believe Corbyns lies but you chomp up the Tories lies.
What was that about shill?
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No because Corbyn has always been a very, very decent human being all his political life. Johnson has constantly lied to keep himself relevant. Big difference between the two. Corbyn has never been sacked for lieing.
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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I'd ignore ttliv when it comes to anything political to be honest.
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Classic left wing response, enjoy screaming into your echo chamber.
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Not at all. It isn't your political beliefs that are the issue. It is your general understanding and knowledge.
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We all have differing opinions, its better for all concerned that when we argue the points its based on fact rather than propaganda.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
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The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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So nothing about his personal view on Brexit and EU, constantly dodge the questions on that subject.
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Why would his personal view on Brexit or the EU make him unelectable, every other politician has a personal view and also dodge questions. Why is he any different?
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Because people vote for a party want to know what direction of brexit they were voting for, that was the biggest question in the last GE. With Corbyn, he said that he would negotiate another new deal without taking a stand whether he's pro EU or not. Not a lot of people believe that is a good solution for Brexit
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
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Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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I'd ignore ttliv when it comes to anything political to be honest.
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Classic left wing response, enjoy screaming into your echo chamber.
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Not at all. It isn't your political beliefs that are the issue. It is your general understanding and knowledge.
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We all have differing opinions, its better for all concerned that when we argue the points its based on fact rather than propaganda.
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Sure thats no fun Hec
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Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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More than 70% of the party voted remain, why would he have gone against the voting demographic?
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In an election you need votes from the entire population, not just your party. In 2017 while many remainders were annoyed with the result there was general good losers consent for the vote to be respected, so he wouldn't have had too much trouble keeping the remained within his party. I'm fact that turned out true as he won almost all of the youth vote, who are all overhwelmingly remain.
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Unfortunately, there are swathes of the electorate who are just spoonfed nonsense, and follow it like sheep.
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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More than 70% of the party voted remain, why would he have gone against the voting demographic?
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In an election you need votes from the entire population, not just your party. In 2017 while many remainders were annoyed with the result there was general good losers consent for the vote to be respected, so he wouldn't have had too much trouble keeping the remained within his party. I'm fact that turned out true as he won almost all of the youth vote, who are all overhwelmingly remain.
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Unfortunately, there are swathes of the electorate who are just spoonfed nonsense, and follow it like sheep.
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That will always be the case Sandy unfortunately
Its like over here folk entrenched in their chosen political party and they will vote for them no matter what their policies are.
We are on the verge of a coalition government over here that 10 years ago would have been laughed at had it been suggested.
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The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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So nothing about his personal view on Brexit and EU, constantly dodge the questions on that subject.
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Why would his personal view on Brexit or the EU make him unelectable, every other politician has a personal view and also dodge questions. Why is he any different?
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Because people vote for a party want to know what direction of brexit they were voting for, that was the biggest question in the last GE. With Corbyn, he said that he would negotiate another new deal without taking a stand whether he's pro EU or not. Not a lot of people believe that is a good solution for Brexit
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Unfortunately the electorate for the last three years have been brainwashed into thinking all that mattered was to get Brexit over the line. When there were far more important issues at stake. The underfunding for years of the NHS for a start. And boy, oh boy has that come back to bite the Tories on the arris bigtime.
People will only wake up to the Tories, when they all start to lose their jobs post Corona and a Brexit no deal.
I accept that those who rate Jeremy as a person/leader will always feel that the media done him in but I'm not sure that the red wall voters who turned blue are big Mail or Telegraph readers.
I remember watching alot of Sky/BBC news on Oct 31st (dead in a ditch day) and I don't think I've ever seen a politician more savaged on the tv than Boris was that day.
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The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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It's not the view of a Tory voter. I have the exact same view and have voted Labour all my life. Corbyn and the whole party massively facked up the last 3.years. The fact someone like Johnoson and this terrible Conservative party filled with individuals who are so unlikable can win by such a majority is an indictment on just how poor Corbyn was as a leader. I am hoping Starmer can show some actual leadership and balls, something Corbyn never had.
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Good summary. I have no political allegiances, but know how incompetent this government is so didn't vote for them. However, because of Corbyn I didn't vote labour either. His pathetic Brexit stance and the fact he would very negatively affect the industry I work in along with general nonsensical plans meant I couldn't vote for him.
Starmer looks a class act, real pedigree from being a top lawyer and is handling things smartly. Will happily vote for him.
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Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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More than 70% of the party voted remain, why would he have gone against the voting demographic?
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The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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So nothing about his personal view on Brexit and EU, constantly dodge the questions on that subject.
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Why would his personal view on Brexit or the EU make him unelectable, every other politician has a personal view and also dodge questions. Why is he any different?
posted on 6/5/20
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 6 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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He would be the only one who knows how he voted, and if he said he voted to stay, then I believer him. You don`t know how he voted, other than what he constantly said, he voted to stay.
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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Yes of course he did. He had to effectively be forced at gunpoint to shill for remain in order to keep his job.
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Oh my!
You don't believe Corbyns lies but you chomp up the Tories lies.
What was that about shill?
posted on 6/5/20
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The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
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I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
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This.
He should be voted out long in leadership vote long before the GE and this is from a person who voted for Corbyn in the last election.
Besides, the remain votes were so splitted across parties - we have SNP in Scotland, then Lib Dem disaster where Jo Swinton suddenly felt she can be a PM. On the other side, Boris just needed Brexit party to stand aside and clearly someone had a word with Farage so he changed his tone within a day.
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What was it about his policies you didn`t like? I hear a lot about why he was unelectable. But nobody actually tells me why?
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He was undetectable because all evidence for 4 years showed that voters didn't see him as strong or credible. The only time that changed was for around a month after the 2017 election. His ratings were weak amongst voters the whole time. It isn't just his fault. His ideologies are what they are. I agree with most of them. The issue is, in what is essentially a two party system for the most part, you cannot have someone who splits a party so much in charge. The Labour party has gone into free fall in the heart land of Labour areas due to his leadership. Without that support, it will never be back in power.
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Strong and credible, like Johnson is, he messed up Brexit, couldn`t get it through, shut down Parliament, lied to the Queen, has messed up Coronavirus, and stupidly caught it himself.
That`s not strong leadership. That is about as bad it gets.
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posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I think the point is, you're blaming Labour for people voting Tory, then blaming Labour for the disastrous Tory rule, it is the mental gymnastics of the deluded.
The finger-pointing at Labour is this executives wet dream.
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I'm not blaming the voters for deserting any party that Corbyn fronted but the members and unions who put him in charge have to shoulder the blame. When you lose you have to look at the reasons why.
In conclusion the mismanagement of the C virus is 100% at the Tories door but the inability of the opposition to be heard is down to those who contributed to Corbyn getting the top job.
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This.
He should be voted out long in leadership vote long before the GE and this is from a person who voted for Corbyn in the last election.
Besides, the remain votes were so splitted across parties - we have SNP in Scotland, then Lib Dem disaster where Jo Swinton suddenly felt she can be a PM. On the other side, Boris just needed Brexit party to stand aside and clearly someone had a word with Farage so he changed his tone within a day.
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What was it about his policies you didn`t like? I hear a lot about why he was unelectable. But nobody actually tells me why?
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He was undetectable because all evidence for 4 years showed that voters didn't see him as strong or credible. The only time that changed was for around a month after the 2017 election. His ratings were weak amongst voters the whole time. It isn't just his fault. His ideologies are what they are. I agree with most of them. The issue is, in what is essentially a two party system for the most part, you cannot have someone who splits a party so much in charge. The Labour party has gone into free fall in the heart land of Labour areas due to his leadership. Without that support, it will never be back in power.
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Also there was a feeling that Labour would just say anything to anybody that they felt would get them the victory.
For example they claimed (although many experts felt it was too ambitious) that their manifesto was fully costed and doable. Yet the next day after as an afterthought they found another 58bil for the Waspi women. Folk simply didn't think this was credible.
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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Yes of course he did. He had to effectively be forced at gunpoint to shill for remain in order to keep his job.
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Oh my!
You don't believe Corbyns lies but you chomp up the Tories lies.
What was that about shill?
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No because Corbyn has always been a very, very decent human being all his political life. Johnson has constantly lied to keep himself relevant. Big difference between the two. Corbyn has never been sacked for lieing.
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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I'd ignore ttliv when it comes to anything political to be honest.
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Classic left wing response, enjoy screaming into your echo chamber.
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Not at all. It isn't your political beliefs that are the issue. It is your general understanding and knowledge.
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We all have differing opinions, its better for all concerned that when we argue the points its based on fact rather than propaganda.
posted on 6/5/20
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posted 11 minutes ago
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posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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So nothing about his personal view on Brexit and EU, constantly dodge the questions on that subject.
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Why would his personal view on Brexit or the EU make him unelectable, every other politician has a personal view and also dodge questions. Why is he any different?
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Because people vote for a party want to know what direction of brexit they were voting for, that was the biggest question in the last GE. With Corbyn, he said that he would negotiate another new deal without taking a stand whether he's pro EU or not. Not a lot of people believe that is a good solution for Brexit
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/745886722987294720?lang=en
Eek! Awkward!
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I'd ignore ttliv when it comes to anything political to be honest.
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Classic left wing response, enjoy screaming into your echo chamber.
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Not at all. It isn't your political beliefs that are the issue. It is your general understanding and knowledge.
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We all have differing opinions, its better for all concerned that when we argue the points its based on fact rather than propaganda.
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Sure thats no fun Hec
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comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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More than 70% of the party voted remain, why would he have gone against the voting demographic?
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In an election you need votes from the entire population, not just your party. In 2017 while many remainders were annoyed with the result there was general good losers consent for the vote to be respected, so he wouldn't have had too much trouble keeping the remained within his party. I'm fact that turned out true as he won almost all of the youth vote, who are all overhwelmingly remain.
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Unfortunately, there are swathes of the electorate who are just spoonfed nonsense, and follow it like sheep.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 12 seconds ago
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posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Sergio Marquina (U11781)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't like Starmer. The big mistake Corbyn did was sell himself out to the remain camp. It was the worst kept secret that he voted to leave and his 2017 platform to leave every institution of the EU was great. 2019 Corbyn was being a puppet of the Nu-Labour lot while being thrown some economic left wing scraps.
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More than 70% of the party voted remain, why would he have gone against the voting demographic?
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In an election you need votes from the entire population, not just your party. In 2017 while many remainders were annoyed with the result there was general good losers consent for the vote to be respected, so he wouldn't have had too much trouble keeping the remained within his party. I'm fact that turned out true as he won almost all of the youth vote, who are all overhwelmingly remain.
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Unfortunately, there are swathes of the electorate who are just spoonfed nonsense, and follow it like sheep.
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That will always be the case Sandy unfortunately
Its like over here folk entrenched in their chosen political party and they will vote for them no matter what their policies are.
We are on the verge of a coalition government over here that 10 years ago would have been laughed at had it been suggested.
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 15 minutes ago
The Tories have mismanaged the situation from the very start, 250k at Cheltenham over 4 days was bonkers.
However due to the 80 seat majority nobody can lay a glove on them and thats Labours fault for having Corbyn at the helm. Starmer is a big improvement and has a much better shadow cabinet but he's got a huge job on his hands especially as he was the minister in charge of Labours ridiculous vote losing Brexit policy.
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So basically you are saying it is Labours fault. Sorry mate, but that is a typical answer from a Tory voter. The Brexit vote was too narrow to put down as an absolute victory, and it is up to the Tories to take the whole country with them. I suspect they will just pander to Farage and the extreme Brexiteers though, thus plunging the country to an even worse outcome than it should be, just through dogmatic ideology.
At this time of crisis, Brexit will be the biggest mistake this country has ever made. When the whole world will try to pull together post Corona, Britain will be taking an isolationist position to financial ruin in all probability.
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I know you're a Corbyn fan Sandy and thats your prerogative but the 2 reasons that alot of Labour mp's (some current, some former) have cited for the big GE defeat was their Brexit stance and Corbyns leadership.
As I've said and the stats prove the government have not handled the situation well but the Tory majority is allowing them to get away with it. Had Labour had an electable leader they wouldn't have lost so heavily and wouldn't be so easy to ignore.
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I support whoever is leading the Labour Party, whether it be Corbyn or Blair. But I just don`t get why Corbyn would have been any worse than what we have.
Nobody has given me an explanation. He ticks all the boxes re Health Service, Jobs, Public Services. So what is it that made him so unelectable.
It was just a media frenzy against him, and the electorate brought it.
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So nothing about his personal view on Brexit and EU, constantly dodge the questions on that subject.
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Why would his personal view on Brexit or the EU make him unelectable, every other politician has a personal view and also dodge questions. Why is he any different?
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Because people vote for a party want to know what direction of brexit they were voting for, that was the biggest question in the last GE. With Corbyn, he said that he would negotiate another new deal without taking a stand whether he's pro EU or not. Not a lot of people believe that is a good solution for Brexit
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Unfortunately the electorate for the last three years have been brainwashed into thinking all that mattered was to get Brexit over the line. When there were far more important issues at stake. The underfunding for years of the NHS for a start. And boy, oh boy has that come back to bite the Tories on the arris bigtime.
People will only wake up to the Tories, when they all start to lose their jobs post Corona and a Brexit no deal.
posted on 6/5/20
I accept that those who rate Jeremy as a person/leader will always feel that the media done him in but I'm not sure that the red wall voters who turned blue are big Mail or Telegraph readers.
I remember watching alot of Sky/BBC news on Oct 31st (dead in a ditch day) and I don't think I've ever seen a politician more savaged on the tv than Boris was that day.
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