Apparently it will be open source but the code hasn't been released yet so not sure you can say it's malevolent.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Ha missed your last sentence Bales! Yeah it's pretty damning.
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Can you direct me to an appropriate site re this company ‘Faculty’
I’m genuinely intrigued to read about them
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculty_(company)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculty_(company)
Warner worked with Dominic Cummings on the vote leave campaign (proven to break electorial law).
So yiu may have seen the examples of bots postimg on facebook posting the exact same lines of support about Johnson and the Government repeatedly also. That's them.
Alongside companies like Cambridge analytica they have produced bot programmes but also algorythms to identify swing viters and then will spam their social medua with pro Tory material.
It would be quite intetesting were it not so scarily Orwellian.
I would trust a word that comes out of their ŵhore mouths
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Ha missed your last sentence Bales! Yeah it's pretty damning.
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Can you direct me to an appropriate site re this company ‘Faculty’
I’m genuinely intrigued to read about them
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The Guardian have done a few pieces on them:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-government-using-confidential-patient-data-in-coronavirus-response
It's important to note that what's out there right now is in the context of them working on the Leave campaign and processing COVID-19 data from the NHS, which would've been annonymised before they got their hands on it.
This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit. This will include all of the personally identifiable information and location tracking. Google and Apple's proposed solution relied on that information being stored on people's phones instead. It would achieve the same thing without having to send sensitive information to a computer server.
Hancock was asked about this and basically said 'the app will be secure' but there is no good reason for the data to be centralised unless you want to use it for something. And as Robbing said above, people should have no reason for thinking they've got our best interests at heart when they are doing that.
If this kind if collusion and manipulation was about China people would lap it up but because it's here they don't want to believe it.
I think ultimately people dont want to accept that they have been mugged off and manipulated by the likes of Cummings and didn't have the mental strength or desire to see through it and I get that, it's embarrassing.
The fact you STILL see people saying Corbyn is an anti semitic terrorist, despite the wealth if evidence to the contrary, shows that those methods work just fine unfortunately.
I cant believe it's legal tbh.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/vote-leave-ai-firm-wins-seven-government-contracts-in-18-months
Im shocked
Im sure it was a legit tender process.
Robbing
It seems a good chunk of the UK population is sleep-walking into a fascist state because it's easier than thinking.
We can blame the manipulation of social media and the newspapers etc, but it's not Putin's Russia. People can share and access the truth without being punished. Their aren't boxes full of ballots being thrown in skips.. it's sad to say but to an extent the British people are getting what they deserve.
If you want it to be better you have to work for it, because for sure the politicians won't do anything against their best interests unless you stand up and make them.
Thanks Robbing
Will have a read of that
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robbing
It seems a good chunk of the UK population is sleep-walking into a fascist state because it's easier than thinking.
We can blame the manipulation of social media and the newspapers etc, but it's not Putin's Russia. People can share and access the truth without being punished. Their aren't boxes full of ballots being thrown in skips.. it's sad to say but to an extent the British people are getting what they deserve.
If you want it to be better you have to work for it, because for sure the politicians won't do anything against their best interests unless you stand up and make them.
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If you start to dig deeper and start looking into right wing think tanks that are fully influencing Tory policy it starts to get really scary.
People should look into organisations such as 'The Institute of Economic Affairs' and who is on that board, who they donate to and who they lobby. It's fvcking mental.
I couldn’t give a stuff about Corbyn being labelled an anti semite, but to use it as an excuse to not vote Labour and vote the Conservatives when the PM himself, and half of his cabinet, is an anti semite and islamophobe then I have no reason to believe you give an actual stuff about racism.
I’m sure this emerging story gives credence to what the OP is saying too. Absolute joke.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-nadia-whittome-sacked-21985519
comment by Sergio Marquina (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m sure this emerging story gives credence to what the OP is saying too. Absolute joke.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-nadia-whittome-sacked-21985519
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Although I dont know her personally we have a lot of mutual friends. Apparently incredibly sound. Pretty sure she's offered to donate half her MP's salary to charity actually.
Yeah it was the first thing she done when she was elected, youngest MP in the commons.
It's been updated on wiki. Apparently all her wages from being a carer went to charity too.
Another self serving looney lefty.
Still Johnson had his 6th kid the other day and no-one had to take him to court to make him admit he's the father this time so I imagine that'll fill the papers instead.
I think he’s got more than 6, even the media didn’t know the exact figure when the latest sprog popped out.
So Nadia Whittome had to drop out of Uni here because she couldnt afford it.
This tweet about Johnsons son last week make me properly lol;
"I’d like to be the first to congratulate Boris Johnson’s son for being accepted into Eton, his internship at Goldman Sachs, getting into Oxford and a nice entry level job at Deutsche Bank before accepting a safe seat. Well done lad!"
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Ha missed your last sentence Bales! Yeah it's pretty damning.
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Can you direct me to an appropriate site re this company ‘Faculty’
I’m genuinely intrigued to read about them
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The Guardian have done a few pieces on them:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-government-using-confidential-patient-data-in-coronavirus-response
It's important to note that what's out there right now is in the context of them working on the Leave campaign and processing COVID-19 data from the NHS, which would've been annonymised before they got their hands on it.
This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit. This will include all of the personally identifiable information and location tracking. Google and Apple's proposed solution relied on that information being stored on people's phones instead. It would achieve the same thing without having to send sensitive information to a computer server.
Hancock was asked about this and basically said 'the app will be secure' but there is no good reason for the data to be centralised unless you want to use it for something. And as Robbing said above, people should have no reason for thinking they've got our best interests at heart when they are doing that.
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Re this comment:
‘ This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit.’
Surely the only data that will be fed will be whatever data we provide, which, presumably for covid 19 purposes will just be current health, whereabouts etc.
Am I missing something?
It's open bluetooth, so bluetooth HAS to be on to enable the app, and this allows free transfer of data. So even your phone numbers and internet search history for example. Fvck that.
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Ha missed your last sentence Bales! Yeah it's pretty damning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you direct me to an appropriate site re this company ‘Faculty’
I’m genuinely intrigued to read about them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Guardian have done a few pieces on them:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-government-using-confidential-patient-data-in-coronavirus-response
It's important to note that what's out there right now is in the context of them working on the Leave campaign and processing COVID-19 data from the NHS, which would've been annonymised before they got their hands on it.
This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit. This will include all of the personally identifiable information and location tracking. Google and Apple's proposed solution relied on that information being stored on people's phones instead. It would achieve the same thing without having to send sensitive information to a computer server.
Hancock was asked about this and basically said 'the app will be secure' but there is no good reason for the data to be centralised unless you want to use it for something. And as Robbing said above, people should have no reason for thinking they've got our best interests at heart when they are doing that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Re this comment:
‘ This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit.’
Surely the only data that will be fed will be whatever data we provide, which, presumably for covid 19 purposes will just be current health, whereabouts etc.
Am I missing something?
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I'm not 100% on what the app asks for but will likely include an email address, gender, and date of birth.
Even if it doesn't include those details they would be easy to get once you've granted access. Also, thanks to the tracking and Bluetooth they will know where you go, who you meet etc.
As I said previously - this might not seem so invasive or important to you but you have to consider who has this data, and why they need to store it. Hint: their track record with this stuff is terrible, and there is no good reason to store it.
Even after all that you think you might trust it anyway, think about the future. This data won't be deleted once the current government are booted out. Even if you agree with this lot there's a good chance you won't with a government down the line.
Also, it's worth considering the privacy issue on a purely human level. If someone asked you for a detailed report of all of your habits and people you meet etc it would seem incredibly invasive. It's not the best way to fight the virus, and the government storing the data in this way would be unnecessary even if you believed it was.
Have their been any potential security or privacy issues in South Korea following their adoption of an app.
They are using a similar app aren’t they? Has there been any opposition to an app bring used by their government?
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posted on 6/5/20
Apparently it will be open source but the code hasn't been released yet so not sure you can say it's malevolent.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Ha missed your last sentence Bales! Yeah it's pretty damning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you direct me to an appropriate site re this company ‘Faculty’
I’m genuinely intrigued to read about them
posted on 6/5/20
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculty_(company)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faculty_(company)
Warner worked with Dominic Cummings on the vote leave campaign (proven to break electorial law).
So yiu may have seen the examples of bots postimg on facebook posting the exact same lines of support about Johnson and the Government repeatedly also. That's them.
Alongside companies like Cambridge analytica they have produced bot programmes but also algorythms to identify swing viters and then will spam their social medua with pro Tory material.
It would be quite intetesting were it not so scarily Orwellian.
I would trust a word that comes out of their ŵhore mouths
posted on 6/5/20
Haha wouldnt*
posted on 6/5/20
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Ha missed your last sentence Bales! Yeah it's pretty damning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you direct me to an appropriate site re this company ‘Faculty’
I’m genuinely intrigued to read about them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Guardian have done a few pieces on them:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-government-using-confidential-patient-data-in-coronavirus-response
It's important to note that what's out there right now is in the context of them working on the Leave campaign and processing COVID-19 data from the NHS, which would've been annonymised before they got their hands on it.
This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit. This will include all of the personally identifiable information and location tracking. Google and Apple's proposed solution relied on that information being stored on people's phones instead. It would achieve the same thing without having to send sensitive information to a computer server.
Hancock was asked about this and basically said 'the app will be secure' but there is no good reason for the data to be centralised unless you want to use it for something. And as Robbing said above, people should have no reason for thinking they've got our best interests at heart when they are doing that.
posted on 6/5/20
If this kind if collusion and manipulation was about China people would lap it up but because it's here they don't want to believe it.
I think ultimately people dont want to accept that they have been mugged off and manipulated by the likes of Cummings and didn't have the mental strength or desire to see through it and I get that, it's embarrassing.
The fact you STILL see people saying Corbyn is an anti semitic terrorist, despite the wealth if evidence to the contrary, shows that those methods work just fine unfortunately.
I cant believe it's legal tbh.
posted on 6/5/20
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/vote-leave-ai-firm-wins-seven-government-contracts-in-18-months
posted on 6/5/20
Im shocked
Im sure it was a legit tender process.
posted on 6/5/20
Robbing
It seems a good chunk of the UK population is sleep-walking into a fascist state because it's easier than thinking.
We can blame the manipulation of social media and the newspapers etc, but it's not Putin's Russia. People can share and access the truth without being punished. Their aren't boxes full of ballots being thrown in skips.. it's sad to say but to an extent the British people are getting what they deserve.
If you want it to be better you have to work for it, because for sure the politicians won't do anything against their best interests unless you stand up and make them.
posted on 6/5/20
^there aren't
posted on 6/5/20
Thanks Robbing
Will have a read of that
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 2 minutes ago
Robbing
It seems a good chunk of the UK population is sleep-walking into a fascist state because it's easier than thinking.
We can blame the manipulation of social media and the newspapers etc, but it's not Putin's Russia. People can share and access the truth without being punished. Their aren't boxes full of ballots being thrown in skips.. it's sad to say but to an extent the British people are getting what they deserve.
If you want it to be better you have to work for it, because for sure the politicians won't do anything against their best interests unless you stand up and make them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you start to dig deeper and start looking into right wing think tanks that are fully influencing Tory policy it starts to get really scary.
People should look into organisations such as 'The Institute of Economic Affairs' and who is on that board, who they donate to and who they lobby. It's fvcking mental.
posted on 6/5/20
I couldn’t give a stuff about Corbyn being labelled an anti semite, but to use it as an excuse to not vote Labour and vote the Conservatives when the PM himself, and half of his cabinet, is an anti semite and islamophobe then I have no reason to believe you give an actual stuff about racism.
posted on 6/5/20
And Bales
posted on 6/5/20
I’m sure this emerging story gives credence to what the OP is saying too. Absolute joke.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-nadia-whittome-sacked-21985519
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Sergio Marquina (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
I’m sure this emerging story gives credence to what the OP is saying too. Absolute joke.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-nadia-whittome-sacked-21985519
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Although I dont know her personally we have a lot of mutual friends. Apparently incredibly sound. Pretty sure she's offered to donate half her MP's salary to charity actually.
posted on 6/5/20
Yeah it was the first thing she done when she was elected, youngest MP in the commons.
posted on 6/5/20
It's been updated on wiki. Apparently all her wages from being a carer went to charity too.
Another self serving looney lefty.
Still Johnson had his 6th kid the other day and no-one had to take him to court to make him admit he's the father this time so I imagine that'll fill the papers instead.
posted on 6/5/20
I think he’s got more than 6, even the media didn’t know the exact figure when the latest sprog popped out.
posted on 6/5/20
So Nadia Whittome had to drop out of Uni here because she couldnt afford it.
This tweet about Johnsons son last week make me properly lol;
"I’d like to be the first to congratulate Boris Johnson’s son for being accepted into Eton, his internship at Goldman Sachs, getting into Oxford and a nice entry level job at Deutsche Bank before accepting a safe seat. Well done lad!"
posted on 6/5/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Ha missed your last sentence Bales! Yeah it's pretty damning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you direct me to an appropriate site re this company ‘Faculty’
I’m genuinely intrigued to read about them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Guardian have done a few pieces on them:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-government-using-confidential-patient-data-in-coronavirus-response
It's important to note that what's out there right now is in the context of them working on the Leave campaign and processing COVID-19 data from the NHS, which would've been annonymised before they got their hands on it.
This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit. This will include all of the personally identifiable information and location tracking. Google and Apple's proposed solution relied on that information being stored on people's phones instead. It would achieve the same thing without having to send sensitive information to a computer server.
Hancock was asked about this and basically said 'the app will be secure' but there is no good reason for the data to be centralised unless you want to use it for something. And as Robbing said above, people should have no reason for thinking they've got our best interests at heart when they are doing that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Re this comment:
‘ This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit.’
Surely the only data that will be fed will be whatever data we provide, which, presumably for covid 19 purposes will just be current health, whereabouts etc.
Am I missing something?
posted on 6/5/20
It's open bluetooth, so bluetooth HAS to be on to enable the app, and this allows free transfer of data. So even your phone numbers and internet search history for example. Fvck that.
posted on 6/5/20
I think.
posted on 6/5/20
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
Ha missed your last sentence Bales! Yeah it's pretty damning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can you direct me to an appropriate site re this company ‘Faculty’
I’m genuinely intrigued to read about them
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Guardian have done a few pieces on them:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/uk-government-using-confidential-patient-data-in-coronavirus-response
It's important to note that what's out there right now is in the context of them working on the Leave campaign and processing COVID-19 data from the NHS, which would've been annonymised before they got their hands on it.
This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit. This will include all of the personally identifiable information and location tracking. Google and Apple's proposed solution relied on that information being stored on people's phones instead. It would achieve the same thing without having to send sensitive information to a computer server.
Hancock was asked about this and basically said 'the app will be secure' but there is no good reason for the data to be centralised unless you want to use it for something. And as Robbing said above, people should have no reason for thinking they've got our best interests at heart when they are doing that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Re this comment:
‘ This app will feed the data directly from people's phones to a central database that can be used by the government as they see fit.’
Surely the only data that will be fed will be whatever data we provide, which, presumably for covid 19 purposes will just be current health, whereabouts etc.
Am I missing something?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not 100% on what the app asks for but will likely include an email address, gender, and date of birth.
Even if it doesn't include those details they would be easy to get once you've granted access. Also, thanks to the tracking and Bluetooth they will know where you go, who you meet etc.
As I said previously - this might not seem so invasive or important to you but you have to consider who has this data, and why they need to store it. Hint: their track record with this stuff is terrible, and there is no good reason to store it.
Even after all that you think you might trust it anyway, think about the future. This data won't be deleted once the current government are booted out. Even if you agree with this lot there's a good chance you won't with a government down the line.
Also, it's worth considering the privacy issue on a purely human level. If someone asked you for a detailed report of all of your habits and people you meet etc it would seem incredibly invasive. It's not the best way to fight the virus, and the government storing the data in this way would be unnecessary even if you believed it was.
posted on 6/5/20
Have their been any potential security or privacy issues in South Korea following their adoption of an app.
They are using a similar app aren’t they? Has there been any opposition to an app bring used by their government?
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