comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 30 seconds ago
You can't void the relegation but keep the title race going. Either have both or neither.
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Exactly.
Teams facing relegation are often a banana skin at this time of the season as they are fighting like hell to avoid the drop. Take the relegation away and they'll be on the beach meaning that the teams trying to qualify for European places are going to get a far easier ride than they should do against the bottom 6. Which destroys the integrity of the campaign as a whole.
That said I can understand why any relegation threatened club would do anything they can to try and keep their home games in their own stadium. Villa have 6 of their last 10 games at home at even without fans thats a big advantage that they won't want to lose.
Everything I've read seems to confirm that going down loses a club far more money that the other scenarios so its inevitable the 6 teams will do all they can to take that possibility away.
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If there was ever a good time to be relegated then this would be it. They will have a massive advantage over struggling Championship clubs next season.
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That maybe true but I don't think it will comfort any of the 6 relegation candidates. They will all fight like rabid dogs to stay in the Prem and I wouldn't be shocked if a disproportionate number of positive tests occur at those clubs as the kick off date approaches.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Scarf (U21116)
posted 6 minutes ago
The FA have no power to dictate, only to veto; as usual, it will all go away with money.
There will be no relegation.
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You say they have no power, then you say they have the ultimate power, which is to veto any decision the PL make. 😂
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Read what I said again. I said they have no power to dictate.
Promotion from the Championship and relegation from the Premier League involves a maximum of 3 EFL Clubs. The other 71 could not care less right now.
This issue is nothing more than a negotiating stance for a financial settlement from the Prem to the EFL.
There will be no relegation.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scarf (U21116)
posted 6 minutes ago
The FA have no power to dictate, only to veto; as usual, it will all go away with money.
There will be no relegation.
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You say they have no power, then you say they have the ultimate power, which is to veto any decision the PL make. 😂
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They have power of veto,but can't unilaterally tell clubs what to do.
They can't make up new rules but have the power to veto.
So what happens if there's a stalemate and nothing can be decided
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😂
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Cool answer,you seem to be an expert on this so tell us what powers they have and how they can wield them
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The FA have told the PL, there will be promotion and relegation, and have also told them the season will not be voided.
The clubs will now refocus, and reach a decision within them parameters.
Now its up to the clubs to work within those criteria.
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Have they? Quotes? or just made up wishful thinking?
I think people are looking at this the wrong way.
The FA/EPL stopped the league!
They want to restart it.
However they have to restart it under different terms of engagement.
For that they need the approval of those participating.
Its not so much about voiding the season and scrapping relegation or not. Its about the FA/EPL proposing a way of recommencing, under different terms of engagement that is acceptable to 75% of participants.
It seems the bottom 6 are concerned about neutral venues. The view being that this takes away any sort of home advantage. They wil lnot vote for changed terms of engagement that will proposed neutral venues (and seemingly there are others on board with this too).
What is not clear is whether they would support a restart that simply had it behind closed doors - In the view of the majority this would be a necessary evil and a way forward.
SO it is not right to say that these teams are voting for scrapping relegation. They aren't. Currently they are simply not voting for a restart that sees games played behind closed doors and at neutral venues.
Fot this i do not think they can be criticised as the integrity of the season is hugely undermined by this
It remains to be seen how they would vote on just behind closed doors. If they still continued to reject this then they would, in most peoples opinion, be viewed as acting unreasonably given the circumstances of this crisis.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scarf (U21116)
posted 6 minutes ago
The FA have no power to dictate, only to veto; as usual, it will all go away with money.
There will be no relegation.
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You say they have no power, then you say they have the ultimate power, which is to veto any decision the PL make. 😂
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They have power of veto,but can't unilaterally tell clubs what to do.
They can't make up new rules but have the power to veto.
So what happens if there's a stalemate and nothing can be decided
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😂
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Cool answer,you seem to be an expert on this so tell us what powers they have and how they can wield them
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The FA have told the PL, there will be promotion and relegation, and have also told them the season will not be voided.
The clubs will now refocus, and reach a decision within them parameters.
Now its up to the clubs to work within those criteria.
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Have they? Quotes? or just made up wishful thinking?
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Well it has been widely reported.
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
To me the FA appear to be playing hardball to try and move on from the empasse on how to restart. However, i dont think they really have the power to impose changed terms on the participating teams, and anyone relegated when the season has not been finished would have compelling grounds of appeal.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 minutes ago
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
To me the FA appear to be playing hardball to try and move on from the empasse on how to restart. However, i dont think they really have the power to impose changed terms on the participating teams, and anyone relegated when the season has not been finished would have compelling grounds of appeal.
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the FA will win the hardball game, these clubs might not want to be relegated but when the FA side with the tv companies and start demanding money back relegation will be the cheaper and safer option for these clubs no doubt.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
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I think its beyond doubt by now that it would be the least litigious option. This has been discussed many times by various experts in the media and every single one has said the same thing.
Doesn’t it all depend on what the EFL do? If they complete the season, three teams will be expecting to be promoted, so three would have to be relegated, right?
Also, as already mentioned, how can the PL crown the champions, possibly have European places allocated but not have relegation. That really would be the cherry on top of Project Restarts sh*t Sunday.
There is a clear change in the rules of engagement and there is a question of "integrity" of the game. However, the relegation threatened teams are clearly moving to get out of relegation. One could argue that trying to use this one season to change the longer term rules of engagement is also damaging the integrity of the game in a much bigger manner. Relegation and promotion isn't a one season cycle. Teams often have a multi season strategy to be a consistant PL team and likewise to gain promotion. Yes, behind closed doors isn't the same as a full season with fans, but it is the closest we can get at this point and maintain the longer term integrity.
These 6 teams are trying to weasel out and press the reset button because they've had a bad season and I hope the FA and PL can knock them back down to earth.
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
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I think its beyond doubt by now that it would be the least litigious option. This has been discussed many times by various experts in the media and every single one has said the same thing.
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Experts? Link?
comment by Ban Wissaka (U5318)
posted 12 minutes ago
There is a clear change in the rules of engagement and there is a question of "integrity" of the game. However, the relegation threatened teams are clearly moving to get out of relegation. One could argue that trying to use this one season to change the longer term rules of engagement is also damaging the integrity of the game in a much bigger manner. Relegation and promotion isn't a one season cycle. Teams often have a multi season strategy to be a consistant PL team and likewise to gain promotion. Yes, behind closed doors isn't the same as a full season with fans, but it is the closest we can get at this point and maintain the longer term integrity.
These 6 teams are trying to weasel out and press the reset button because they've had a bad season and I hope the FA and PL can knock them back down to earth.
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As far as we know, the teams "weaseling out" object to the neutral venue issue fundamentally. Not so clear if they'd accept just behind closed doors.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
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I think its beyond doubt by now that it would be the least litigious option. This has been discussed many times by various experts in the media and every single one has said the same thing.
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Experts? Link?
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Rick Parry
"In all of the conversations we have had with the Premier League, I think their position is they expect three clubs to be relegated.
“I think you can expect the lawyers to get wealthy [if the Premier League change their mind].
"There will be a degree of outrage from a number of our clubs in the Championship, it would be a breach of the agreement between the Premier League, the Football League and the Football Association.
Devon, type this into google 'legal lawyers voiding premier league'.
Start with the articles there and take it from there. Its for real. Stuff like
“I can’t see a position where they would call the season null and void with the table as it is today. From a legal perspective, it would almost certainly be challenged. Any clubs challenging the League ending as it is today would in my view be successful with an appeal.
Every outcome is challengable so Parry is right, the laywers will be getting rich whatever happens.
I just hope the league restarts, BCD but with usual home and away matches. Its in Spurs' best interst and its in the best interest of the league otherwise the lawyers are going to have a field day. But i wouldnt blame the lower teams from taking legal action where they are either forced to play at neutral grounds or relegated on the basis of an incomplete season.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Every outcome is challengable so Parry is right, the laywers will be getting rich whatever happens.
I just hope the league restarts, BCD but with usual home and away matches. Its in Spurs' best interst and its in the best interest of the league otherwise the lawyers are going to have a field day. But i wouldnt blame the lower teams from taking legal action where they are either forced to play at neutral grounds or relegated on the basis of an incomplete season.
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This is why I have said null and void from day one.
Every other way of finishing it can legally challenged with a fair chance of success.
Whereas if something effectively never happened its got less chance of being overturned.
Well it looks like it's either completed behind closed doors, current standings as final, or points per game to decide, now that null and void has been ruled out.
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well it looks like it's either completed behind closed doors, current standings as final, or points per game to decide, now that null and void has been ruled out.
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Yes but they are all utter horseshit.
Any half decent lawyer will be able to make an excellent case against the season starting with crowds and finishing without and if you throw neutral stadiums into the mix its even easier.
As for current standings or points per game again it'll get blown out of the water by virtue of easier run ins and more games at home than away to come for certain teams (Villa have 6 out of 10 at home).
Getting it restarted under the suggested conditions is just Sky/BT trying to flog a dead horse. It should either be finished as it started or null and voided.
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
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Why? They've been told the bottom three will go down, no matter what.
What use would it be to ruin the season and miss out on millions, and then still be relegated?
You think they would make up positive test results?
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
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Why? They've been told the bottom three will go down, no matter what.
What use would it be to ruin the season and miss out on millions, and then still be relegated?
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Because everything I've read puts the cost of relegation at a great deal more than the money the bottom 6 clubs will receive for playing out the season.
I see Brighton have set the ball rolling with 3 positive tests.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
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Why? They've been told the bottom three will go down, no matter what.
What use would it be to ruin the season and miss out on millions, and then still be relegated?
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Because everything I've read puts the cost of relegation at a great deal more than the money the bottom 6 clubs will receive for playing out the season.
I see Brighton have set the ball rolling with 3 positive tests.
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Well two of them were earlier in the pandemic.
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 16 seconds ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
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Why? They've been told the bottom three will go down, no matter what.
What use would it be to ruin the season and miss out on millions, and then still be relegated?
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Because everything I've read puts the cost of relegation at a great deal more than the money the bottom 6 clubs will receive for playing out the season.
I see Brighton have set the ball rolling with 3 positive tests.
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Well two of them were earlier in the pandemic.
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A mate of mine lives/works in Germany and he was telling me yesterday that theres a tremendous amount of cynicism over there about Dynamo Dresdens recent positive results.
Don't rule anything out football is riddled with greed.
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posted on 12/5/20
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 30 seconds ago
You can't void the relegation but keep the title race going. Either have both or neither.
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Exactly.
Teams facing relegation are often a banana skin at this time of the season as they are fighting like hell to avoid the drop. Take the relegation away and they'll be on the beach meaning that the teams trying to qualify for European places are going to get a far easier ride than they should do against the bottom 6. Which destroys the integrity of the campaign as a whole.
That said I can understand why any relegation threatened club would do anything they can to try and keep their home games in their own stadium. Villa have 6 of their last 10 games at home at even without fans thats a big advantage that they won't want to lose.
Everything I've read seems to confirm that going down loses a club far more money that the other scenarios so its inevitable the 6 teams will do all they can to take that possibility away.
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If there was ever a good time to be relegated then this would be it. They will have a massive advantage over struggling Championship clubs next season.
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That maybe true but I don't think it will comfort any of the 6 relegation candidates. They will all fight like rabid dogs to stay in the Prem and I wouldn't be shocked if a disproportionate number of positive tests occur at those clubs as the kick off date approaches.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Scarf (U21116)
posted 6 minutes ago
The FA have no power to dictate, only to veto; as usual, it will all go away with money.
There will be no relegation.
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You say they have no power, then you say they have the ultimate power, which is to veto any decision the PL make. 😂
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Read what I said again. I said they have no power to dictate.
Promotion from the Championship and relegation from the Premier League involves a maximum of 3 EFL Clubs. The other 71 could not care less right now.
This issue is nothing more than a negotiating stance for a financial settlement from the Prem to the EFL.
There will be no relegation.
posted on 12/5/20
68 clubs.
It's early
posted on 12/5/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scarf (U21116)
posted 6 minutes ago
The FA have no power to dictate, only to veto; as usual, it will all go away with money.
There will be no relegation.
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You say they have no power, then you say they have the ultimate power, which is to veto any decision the PL make. 😂
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They have power of veto,but can't unilaterally tell clubs what to do.
They can't make up new rules but have the power to veto.
So what happens if there's a stalemate and nothing can be decided
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😂
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Cool answer,you seem to be an expert on this so tell us what powers they have and how they can wield them
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The FA have told the PL, there will be promotion and relegation, and have also told them the season will not be voided.
The clubs will now refocus, and reach a decision within them parameters.
Now its up to the clubs to work within those criteria.
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Have they? Quotes? or just made up wishful thinking?
posted on 12/5/20
I think people are looking at this the wrong way.
The FA/EPL stopped the league!
They want to restart it.
However they have to restart it under different terms of engagement.
For that they need the approval of those participating.
Its not so much about voiding the season and scrapping relegation or not. Its about the FA/EPL proposing a way of recommencing, under different terms of engagement that is acceptable to 75% of participants.
It seems the bottom 6 are concerned about neutral venues. The view being that this takes away any sort of home advantage. They wil lnot vote for changed terms of engagement that will proposed neutral venues (and seemingly there are others on board with this too).
What is not clear is whether they would support a restart that simply had it behind closed doors - In the view of the majority this would be a necessary evil and a way forward.
SO it is not right to say that these teams are voting for scrapping relegation. They aren't. Currently they are simply not voting for a restart that sees games played behind closed doors and at neutral venues.
Fot this i do not think they can be criticised as the integrity of the season is hugely undermined by this
It remains to be seen how they would vote on just behind closed doors. If they still continued to reject this then they would, in most peoples opinion, be viewed as acting unreasonably given the circumstances of this crisis.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Scarf (U21116)
posted 6 minutes ago
The FA have no power to dictate, only to veto; as usual, it will all go away with money.
There will be no relegation.
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You say they have no power, then you say they have the ultimate power, which is to veto any decision the PL make. 😂
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They have power of veto,but can't unilaterally tell clubs what to do.
They can't make up new rules but have the power to veto.
So what happens if there's a stalemate and nothing can be decided
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😂
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Cool answer,you seem to be an expert on this so tell us what powers they have and how they can wield them
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The FA have told the PL, there will be promotion and relegation, and have also told them the season will not be voided.
The clubs will now refocus, and reach a decision within them parameters.
Now its up to the clubs to work within those criteria.
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Have they? Quotes? or just made up wishful thinking?
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Well it has been widely reported.
posted on 12/5/20
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
To me the FA appear to be playing hardball to try and move on from the empasse on how to restart. However, i dont think they really have the power to impose changed terms on the participating teams, and anyone relegated when the season has not been finished would have compelling grounds of appeal.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 minutes ago
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
To me the FA appear to be playing hardball to try and move on from the empasse on how to restart. However, i dont think they really have the power to impose changed terms on the participating teams, and anyone relegated when the season has not been finished would have compelling grounds of appeal.
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the FA will win the hardball game, these clubs might not want to be relegated but when the FA side with the tv companies and start demanding money back relegation will be the cheaper and safer option for these clubs no doubt.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
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I think its beyond doubt by now that it would be the least litigious option. This has been discussed many times by various experts in the media and every single one has said the same thing.
posted on 12/5/20
Doesn’t it all depend on what the EFL do? If they complete the season, three teams will be expecting to be promoted, so three would have to be relegated, right?
Also, as already mentioned, how can the PL crown the champions, possibly have European places allocated but not have relegation. That really would be the cherry on top of Project Restarts sh*t Sunday.
posted on 12/5/20
There is a clear change in the rules of engagement and there is a question of "integrity" of the game. However, the relegation threatened teams are clearly moving to get out of relegation. One could argue that trying to use this one season to change the longer term rules of engagement is also damaging the integrity of the game in a much bigger manner. Relegation and promotion isn't a one season cycle. Teams often have a multi season strategy to be a consistant PL team and likewise to gain promotion. Yes, behind closed doors isn't the same as a full season with fans, but it is the closest we can get at this point and maintain the longer term integrity.
These 6 teams are trying to weasel out and press the reset button because they've had a bad season and I hope the FA and PL can knock them back down to earth.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
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I think its beyond doubt by now that it would be the least litigious option. This has been discussed many times by various experts in the media and every single one has said the same thing.
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Experts? Link?
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Ban Wissaka (U5318)
posted 12 minutes ago
There is a clear change in the rules of engagement and there is a question of "integrity" of the game. However, the relegation threatened teams are clearly moving to get out of relegation. One could argue that trying to use this one season to change the longer term rules of engagement is also damaging the integrity of the game in a much bigger manner. Relegation and promotion isn't a one season cycle. Teams often have a multi season strategy to be a consistant PL team and likewise to gain promotion. Yes, behind closed doors isn't the same as a full season with fans, but it is the closest we can get at this point and maintain the longer term integrity.
These 6 teams are trying to weasel out and press the reset button because they've had a bad season and I hope the FA and PL can knock them back down to earth.
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As far as we know, the teams "weaseling out" object to the neutral venue issue fundamentally. Not so clear if they'd accept just behind closed doors.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 32 minutes ago
If the EPL teams could not find an acceptable way to restart and the season was determined in a way like average points, or current standings, then i think there would be numerous legal challenges.
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I think its beyond doubt by now that it would be the least litigious option. This has been discussed many times by various experts in the media and every single one has said the same thing.
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Experts? Link?
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Rick Parry
"In all of the conversations we have had with the Premier League, I think their position is they expect three clubs to be relegated.
“I think you can expect the lawyers to get wealthy [if the Premier League change their mind].
"There will be a degree of outrage from a number of our clubs in the Championship, it would be a breach of the agreement between the Premier League, the Football League and the Football Association.
Devon, type this into google 'legal lawyers voiding premier league'.
Start with the articles there and take it from there. Its for real. Stuff like
“I can’t see a position where they would call the season null and void with the table as it is today. From a legal perspective, it would almost certainly be challenged. Any clubs challenging the League ending as it is today would in my view be successful with an appeal.
posted on 12/5/20
Every outcome is challengable so Parry is right, the laywers will be getting rich whatever happens.
I just hope the league restarts, BCD but with usual home and away matches. Its in Spurs' best interst and its in the best interest of the league otherwise the lawyers are going to have a field day. But i wouldnt blame the lower teams from taking legal action where they are either forced to play at neutral grounds or relegated on the basis of an incomplete season.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Every outcome is challengable so Parry is right, the laywers will be getting rich whatever happens.
I just hope the league restarts, BCD but with usual home and away matches. Its in Spurs' best interst and its in the best interest of the league otherwise the lawyers are going to have a field day. But i wouldnt blame the lower teams from taking legal action where they are either forced to play at neutral grounds or relegated on the basis of an incomplete season.
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This is why I have said null and void from day one.
Every other way of finishing it can legally challenged with a fair chance of success.
Whereas if something effectively never happened its got less chance of being overturned.
posted on 12/5/20
Well it looks like it's either completed behind closed doors, current standings as final, or points per game to decide, now that null and void has been ruled out.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
Well it looks like it's either completed behind closed doors, current standings as final, or points per game to decide, now that null and void has been ruled out.
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Yes but they are all utter horseshit.
Any half decent lawyer will be able to make an excellent case against the season starting with crowds and finishing without and if you throw neutral stadiums into the mix its even easier.
As for current standings or points per game again it'll get blown out of the water by virtue of easier run ins and more games at home than away to come for certain teams (Villa have 6 out of 10 at home).
Getting it restarted under the suggested conditions is just Sky/BT trying to flog a dead horse. It should either be finished as it started or null and voided.
posted on 12/5/20
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
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Why? They've been told the bottom three will go down, no matter what.
What use would it be to ruin the season and miss out on millions, and then still be relegated?
posted on 12/5/20
You think they would make up positive test results?
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
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Why? They've been told the bottom three will go down, no matter what.
What use would it be to ruin the season and miss out on millions, and then still be relegated?
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Because everything I've read puts the cost of relegation at a great deal more than the money the bottom 6 clubs will receive for playing out the season.
I see Brighton have set the ball rolling with 3 positive tests.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
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Why? They've been told the bottom three will go down, no matter what.
What use would it be to ruin the season and miss out on millions, and then still be relegated?
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Because everything I've read puts the cost of relegation at a great deal more than the money the bottom 6 clubs will receive for playing out the season.
I see Brighton have set the ball rolling with 3 positive tests.
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Well two of them were earlier in the pandemic.
posted on 12/5/20
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Thor (U22388)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they can get it working behind closed doors in the correct venues then those worried about being relegated using neutral venues will be happier and it will be finished that way.
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Thats certainly better than neutral grounds but I don't expect the 3 relegated teams to go quietly.
As I said in an earlier comment I can see a disproportionate number of positive tests at the bottom 6 clubs as we get closer to the restart date.
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Why? They've been told the bottom three will go down, no matter what.
What use would it be to ruin the season and miss out on millions, and then still be relegated?
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Because everything I've read puts the cost of relegation at a great deal more than the money the bottom 6 clubs will receive for playing out the season.
I see Brighton have set the ball rolling with 3 positive tests.
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Well two of them were earlier in the pandemic.
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A mate of mine lives/works in Germany and he was telling me yesterday that theres a tremendous amount of cynicism over there about Dynamo Dresdens recent positive results.
Don't rule anything out football is riddled with greed.
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