comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'll happily admit Van Dijk, Alisson, Salah, Mane are top players. But I just can't say the same about the likes of Hendo and Wijnaldum. Top teams sometimes have players who aren't great but just fill a hole in the team. Just because a team is very good, doesn't mean all their players are very good.
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Gini scored twice off the bench in a CL semi final. Been a regular for a team that has lost about five games in two years, you not being able to see what that means doesn't equate to gini not being a top player it means you don't really get football.

Wahl you bang on about the here and now all the time, your recent city article is a great example, yet refuse to accept the fact that in the past two years you won't find a better set of midfielders in Europe, the stats are all there to see.

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'll happily admit Van Dijk, Alisson, Salah, Mane are top players. But I just can't say the same about the likes of Hendo and Wijnaldum. Top teams sometimes have players who aren't great but just fill a hole in the team. Just because a team is very good, doesn't mean all their players are very good.
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What you fail to understand is that these players are as good as what they are because of the likes of Henderson, Winaldum and Fabinho in the team.

Liverpool's back 4 used to be so exposed and they were crying out for a proper ball winning defensive midfielder for years, now they've got that in Fabinho. Of course Van Djik is an excellent individual and it seems every CB he is partnered is looks a lot more solid as well, but Liverpool's defence would not be so solid without somebody like Fabinho in front.

Henderson, Winaldum, Milner etc all do a good job in possession, keeping hold of the ball and getting the ball into areas where they can hurt the opposition. They can keep hold of the ball well, press well and recycle possession well. They are capable of constantly keeping momentum and pressure on the opposition. They allow the likes of Mane and Salah to stay so high up the field and not have to do the defensive duties of tracking a full back and they allow the likes of Robertson and TAA to bomb on down the flanks as well which is why they get so many assist per season. The very definition of a support midfield trio which do an excellent job in making Liverpool what they are.

You're too busy looking at individual talent, again, rather than the full picture.

If Pogba is so good why have united fans been crying out for a midfielder and now Bruno is adored after a few games.

You're not very good at this mate. Bit like Pogba.

Henderson, Winaldum, Milner etc all do a good job in possession, keeping hold of the ball and getting the ball into areas where they can hurt the opposition. They can keep hold of the ball well, press well and recycle possession well. They are capable of constantly keeping momentum and pressure on the opposition. They allow the likes of Mane and Salah to stay so high up the field and not have to do the defensive duties of tracking a full back and they allow the likes of Robertson and TAA to bomb on down the flanks as well which is why they get so many assist per season. The very definition of a support midfield trio which do an excellent job in making Liverpool what they are.
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OK? Doing a simple job well doesn't make you a top player. And none of Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Henderson and Milner are top players.

I'm not talking about the big picture, I'm talking about these players as individuals.

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 12 seconds ago
Henderson, Winaldum, Milner etc all do a good job in possession, keeping hold of the ball and getting the ball into areas where they can hurt the opposition. They can keep hold of the ball well, press well and recycle possession well. They are capable of constantly keeping momentum and pressure on the opposition. They allow the likes of Mane and Salah to stay so high up the field and not have to do the defensive duties of tracking a full back and they allow the likes of Robertson and TAA to bomb on down the flanks as well which is why they get so many assist per season. The very definition of a support midfield trio which do an excellent job in making Liverpool what they are.
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OK? Doing a simple job well doesn't make you a top player. And none of Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Henderson and Milner are top players.

I'm not talking about the big picture, I'm talking about these players as individuals.
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FFS lad watch a game of football

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
Henderson, Winaldum, Milner etc all do a good job in possession, keeping hold of the ball and getting the ball into areas where they can hurt the opposition. They can keep hold of the ball well, press well and recycle possession well. They are capable of constantly keeping momentum and pressure on the opposition. They allow the likes of Mane and Salah to stay so high up the field and not have to do the defensive duties of tracking a full back and they allow the likes of Robertson and TAA to bomb on down the flanks as well which is why they get so many assist per season. The very definition of a support midfield trio which do an excellent job in making Liverpool what they are.
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OK? Doing a simple job well doesn't make you a top player. And none of Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Henderson and Milner are top players.

I'm not talking about the big picture, I'm talking about these players as individuals.
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All you hear about when talking about a Guardiola side is how "simple" his style of play is, but yet it is so effective. Why is that any different here?

All of them 4 you have mentioned are top players, what do you define a top player? You call Pogba "borderline world class" for inconsistent performances but yet these 4 consistently perform their roles but are not considered top players?

Honestly, please tell me how you judge what makes a top player in your view.

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They're limited players. They can only perform limited simple roles in their team. They aren't top players. Pogba, like it or not, is capable of real brilliance on a football pitch. He is a top player at his best.

toordude, you don't get to spend hours and hours arguing with winston over pointless crap and tell other people whether they're wasting time or not.

The thing is, TOOR was right! Winston could argue with himself in the mirror as well so that's irrelevant.

Again though, all you've done is just say something without any evidence. I've said my part that Pogba has the potential to be a world class player, but he is not consistent enough to be put in that bracket.

I am not saying any of the 4 players are world class, but I would rather have them in my side, because they perform consistently. I don't know why you can say they are limited players, I remember at the back end of last season (especially apparent vs the 3-1 win away at Southampton) where Henderson and Milner were both introduced at 1-1, Liverpool gained control of the midfield and you saw Henderson breaking forward at every opportunity and rightfully got on the scoresheet that night. I also saw him perform that role for some time afterwards as well and he did it well. Just shows how not limited Henderson is really.

Why do you keep saying "I'd rather have them in my side"? This whole discussion is about considering the players Pogba and Henderson individually and saying who is the better player. Forget Liverpool's system, forget the role Henderson plays in that system, forget any of that.

You have Henderson and Pogba as two individuals. Who's the better player? It's an easy question with an easy answer - Pogba.

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 7 minutes ago
toordude, you don't get to spend hours and hours arguing with winston over pointless crap and tell other people whether they're wasting time or not.
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Yeah Winston isn't an idiot so can actually understand what is being said. There's no point arguing with idiots as you can't win. You can't win with Winston as he doesnt stop so you have to leave at a certain point. I learnt that.

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why do you keep saying "I'd rather have them in my side"? This whole discussion is about considering the players Pogba and Henderson individually and saying who is the better player. Forget Liverpool's system, forget the role Henderson plays in that system, forget any of that.

You have Henderson and Pogba as two individuals. Who's the better player? It's an easy question with an easy answer - Pogba.
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And that is what everybody has said! Pogba is more talented but they'd rather have Henderson as he actually utilizes the talent he has.

Winston is an idiot, as are you. Hope that clears things up for you.

Not talented. Say Pogba is the better player.

Actually, if you refer back to your original post, I'd bet that the user who posted that response to you was in fact talking about Henderson being a better player, because of his role in the Liverpool side, that's why he's said he is better than Pogba. You're the one making it up about individual talent because you didn't understand what the original poster was talking about.

I agree, Pogba is a technically better player than Henderson. But I would rather have Henderson over Pogba in my team. Your footballing knowledge seems about as limited as your view of Henderson himself.

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 2 minutes ago
Winston is an idiot, as are you. Hope that clears things up for you.
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Thanks for clearing it up.

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 14 minutes ago
They're limited players. They can only perform limited simple roles in their team. They aren't top players. Pogba, like it or not, is capable of real brilliance on a football pitch. He is a top player at his best.
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Yeah limited to winning the biggest prize in club football,. OK chief

It's not limited, I just don't care who you would rather have in your team. I care about who's the better player since that's what actually matters.

Yeah alright, Henderson is the better player, hence why nearly everybody has said they would rather have Henderson over Pogba, except yourself.

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 6 minutes ago
Why do you keep saying "I'd rather have them in my side"? This whole discussion is about considering the players Pogba and Henderson individually and saying who is the better player. Forget Liverpool's system, forget the role Henderson plays in that system, forget any of that.

You have Henderson and Pogba as two individuals. Who's the better player? It's an easy question with an easy answer - Pogba.
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Because of course how you play consistently isn't at all important if you scored a good goal once.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 14 minutes ago
They're limited players. They can only perform limited simple roles in their team. They aren't top players. Pogba, like it or not, is capable of real brilliance on a football pitch. He is a top player at his best.
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Yeah limited to winning the biggest prize in club football,. OK chief
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How is Henderson not limited. Can he play like Xavi or Iniesta? Or Zidane or Gerrard or Lampard? Can he play like Pogba?

He's a limited player. He just is, I don't know what else I can say.

comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 1 minute ago
It's not limited, I just don't care who you would rather have in your team. I care about who's the better player since that's what actually matters.
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Nope, your ignorance knows no bounds, I think you have the least knowledge on this site about football.

Jesus Christ Knee dude wtf. I thought we were friends.

This is boring now, you used to be a laugh but now you're just boring trying to wind people up.