comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.

But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.

There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
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They could never have foreseen a child would be abducted in such a setting. If they had, they wouldn’t have left them.

Are you actually thus stupid? I hope not

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It isn’t stupid. You just don’t agree with it. Your comments have been mostly stupid and ill informed because you are not a parent.

There are the 48 questions Kate McCann point black refused to answer in her police interview. She was asked a total of 49 questions, and only answered one. She invoked her right to remain silent in protest at being treated as a suspect.

She later said that she refused to co-operate because she thought the police treating her as a suspect was distracting them from the work they should have been doing to find Madeleine.

1. On May 3, 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. Did you search inside the master bedroom wardrobe?

3. (Shown two photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?

4. Why was the curtain by the sofa near the side window tampered with? Did someone go behind the sofa?

5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected Madeleine’s disappearance?

6. Why did you say Madeleine had been abducted?

. Assuming Madeleine was abducted, why did you leave the twins to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? The supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.

8. Why didn’t you ask the twins then what happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say – what were your exact words?

10. What happened after you raised the alarm there?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

12. Who contacted the authorities?

13. Who took place in the searches?

14. Did anyone outside the group learn of her disappearance in those following minutes?

15. Did any neighbour offer you help?

16. What does “we let her down” mean?

17. Did Jane Tanner tell you that night she’d seen a man with a child?

18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

19. During the searches, with the police there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?

20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?

21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?

22. Did you call Sky News?

23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

24. Did you ask for a priest?

25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?

26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

28. Did you manage to sleep?

29. Before travelling to Portugal, did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?

31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

35. What is your medical speciality?

36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

37. Did you work every day?

38. At a certain point you stopped working. Why?

39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

40. Is it true sometimes you despaired at your children’s behaviour and it left you feeling very uneasy?

41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?

42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

43. In the case files, you were shown canine forensic testing films. After watching them, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, carried out in a British lab, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
Only thing I’d say Baz is that it’s different in the respect that parents understand the dangers and so more easily avoid them, I guess.
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Which is exposure to it in the media.
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Absolutely.

But I think we all forget how that exposure was not as great when Maddie went missing.

Easy to take today’s knowledge and say that the McCanns should have had that knowledge back then, when in truth this case is one of the reasons parents are more guarded today.
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Was it? I can’t remember off top of head but was it pre glitter and pre Saville to think of high profile scandals here.
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Yes mate, long before.
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I’m sure there were plenty, but the furore rovers those and the Asian grooming gangs amongst other incidents has put it up high in parents minds, so in a way you were right in ‘changed world’.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 seconds ago
Are you actually thus stupid? I hope not

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It isn’t stupid. You just don’t agree with it. Your comments have been mostly stupid and ill informed because you are not a parent.
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Well, it is stupid because either you can’t read or just choose to skim over the details to go to your ‘you’re not a parent’ mantra.

So because you are a simple creature I’ll sit you down, get the crayons out ——> 🖍 and explain it to you.

They did answer the questions. They spent a whole day doing so. Then they were named as people of interest and were brought in for questioning again. Their lawyer advised them to say no comment the second time around.

Try and use your brain VC, I’m sure there is one there somewhere.

The whole 48 questions thing is irrelevant to this debate anyway.

The debate is about this German guy and if he is found guilty, will people apologise to the mccanns for finding them guilty in their minds.

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I am a parent.

I’m not being holier than thou. I’m taking the position that I think is sensible, right and decent.
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so you don't think they were bad parents for going to the pub and leaving them in bed?
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Weren't they in a tapas restaurant that was on the very same site as their apartment.What's all this nonsense about being in a pub?
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It was at the other side of the pool complex but almost in sight of the apartment. You should watch the Netflix series on it, very interesting.

I’m not sure what to believe. I can see why as a parent myself they’d want to head out, in what they though was safety and that They could ‘see’ the apartment complex. But I don’t think I’d do that myself unless I was sitting directly out front of it.

That said there’s some pretty big contradictions throughout. So I don’t know what to believe.

Hate to say it, but I wouldn’t rule out something going very wrong and the parents somehow being at fault, but I also wouldn’t rule our someone abducting her.

In that series they had a blood dog, trained to sniff out the slightest drop go into her room, and go absolutely mental a week or so after the abduction.

All I can say is that poor little girl.
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I lived in that area of the Algarve for 2 years in the mid 90's.Praia Da Luz was and always has been a family resort.Little to no nightlife in the resort,no rowdy behavior whatsoever.I would imagine a lot of parents would let there guard down in that resort,simply because it is so quiet.

The parents of Maddy let their guard down,probably like many other who have stayed at this resort,but they were the poor bastaards who paid for it.

Not making excuses for them,but unless you know that area and that particular complex you cannot understand exactly how quiet it actually is.It was always a big seller for families until that fateful evening
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Well said. Only those incapable of admitting they may have been too judgmental initially would disagree with this.
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It is a Resort and area that has had no previous problems.No in resort violence,no 18-30 culture(in fact anyone of that age got taxis into Lagos) and no history of anything other than safe family holidays.

These poor fookers like many many before them let their guard down in a safe resort and paid the price.

I can't understand how people can be so cruel to not only blame them for negligence,but believe they actually killed their own child.

There's some fooking scvm out there

comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 56 minutes ago
If you were in a deep sleep and didn't hear anything.then how's that going to pan out exactly?
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cause i have a intercom in her bedroom and (both of us) will wake up if she just stops breathing. Never mind the merry hell she would create if a stranger walked into her room.

this is getting more ridiculous by the post.
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But if someone broke in and took her would you be at fault because you didn’t wake?

comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I am a parent.

I’m not being holier than thou. I’m taking the position that I think is sensible, right and decent.
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so you don't think they were bad parents for going to the pub and leaving them in bed?
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Weren't they in a tapas restaurant that was on the very same site as their apartment.What's all this nonsense about being in a pub?
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It was at the other side of the pool complex but almost in sight of the apartment. You should watch the Netflix series on it, very interesting.

I’m not sure what to believe. I can see why as a parent myself they’d want to head out, in what they though was safety and that They could ‘see’ the apartment complex. But I don’t think I’d do that myself unless I was sitting directly out front of it.

That said there’s some pretty big contradictions throughout. So I don’t know what to believe.

Hate to say it, but I wouldn’t rule out something going very wrong and the parents somehow being at fault, but I also wouldn’t rule our someone abducting her.

In that series they had a blood dog, trained to sniff out the slightest drop go into her room, and go absolutely mental a week or so after the abduction.

All I can say is that poor little girl.
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I lived in that area of the Algarve for 2 years in the mid 90's.Praia Da Luz was and always has been a family resort.Little to no nightlife in the resort,no rowdy behavior whatsoever.I would imagine a lot of parents would let there guard down in that resort,simply because it is so quiet.

The parents of Maddy let their guard down,probably like many other who have stayed at this resort,but they were the poor bastaards who paid for it.

Not making excuses for them,but unless you know that area and that particular complex you cannot understand exactly how quiet it actually is.It was always a big seller for families until that fateful evening
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Well said. Only those incapable of admitting they may have been too judgmental initially would disagree with this.
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It is a Resort and area that has had no previous problems.No in resort violence,no 18-30 culture(in fact anyone of that age got taxis into Lagos) and no history of anything other than safe family holidays.

These poor fookers like many many before them let their guard down in a safe resort and paid the price.

I can't understand how people can be so cruel to not only blame them for negligence,but believe they actually killed their own child.

There's some fooking scvm out there
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Yeah, but they looked shifty

Robb

She invoked her right to remain silent in protest at being treated as a suspect.

She later said that she refused to co-operate because she thought the police treating her as a suspect was distracting them from the work they should have been doing to find Madeleine.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 31 seconds ago
Some people on this thread, especially so-called parents, have absolutely no compassion or humanity for either the abducted child or her parents.

Grow up ffs!

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Apparently they look guilty which is enough to find them guilty in the court of public opinion.
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As soon as I saw Ian Huntley on TV I said to my mum that he did it. I know a few other people that felt the same. There is something not right about the McCanns. They are hiding something. But I suspect it is more likely to hide the level that they neglected their children rather than hiding the fact that they were actually involved.
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How exactly are they hiding that? The whole world knows they left the kids alone.

comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 16 seconds ago
Robb

She invoked her right to remain silent in protest at being treated as a suspect.

She later said that she refused to co-operate because she thought the police treating her as a suspect was distracting them from the work they should have been doing to find Madeleine.
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If you’re in a foreign country and the police are treating you like a suspect and your lawyer advises you to say nothing at a time of great stress it’s completely understandable that she did what he said.

And to repeat, this debate isn’t about whether or not the Mccanns did it. Go back to those older debates. It’s about this German suspect who is hugely promising to solving this mystery once and for all. And if he is found guilty, should people apologise to the McCanns for finding them guilty in their minds?

comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 50 seconds ago
Robb

She invoked her right to remain silent in protest at being treated as a suspect.

She later said that she refused to co-operate because she thought the police treating her as a suspect was distracting them from the work they should have been doing to find Madeleine.
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Imagine your daughter at the age of 4 yrs old was abducted.Imagine that you've already answered all questions put to you as a distraught parent wanting the best for your daughter.

Then imagine being totally innocent of any crime committed being told you are a prime suspect.

Put yourself in their shoes

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 34 minutes ago
You and I will have to disagree with this. I know what you mean I just think it needs re phrasing a bit.
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How would you rephrase it?

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Like this

The blame is two fold here. Obviously the abductor is responsible for committing the crime. Likewise the parents were responsible for leaving the child alone to enable the abductor the ease to commit the crime.
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The fact they were irresponsible leaving the kids isn’t in dispute though

This has been interesting.

I'll admit to having misgivings about the McCann's pretty soon after it happened. Maybe that's unfair but their actions after the incident didn't quite sit right with me.

However, based on the assumption that they had nothing to do with her disappearance (other than leaving the kids alone in the apartment) then I'm trying my best to show compassion to them as they, and Maddie, have paid a terrible price for what was from them a poor sense of judgement.

Are they to blame? Yes and No.
Yes because they increased the risk of something bad happening to the kids (I'm thinking more medical more than anything else).
No, for their misfortune an abductor was about.

Whatever happened after they left Maddie they were guilty of being negligent anyway but in most cases they'd have got away with it.

Robb

the debate is about how it has evolved not about what you now it to be about.

If you want to start one as you want then you know how to do that. Otherwise let the OP moderate the debate it if he isn't happy with the comments. Its a good thread and apart from Colemanballs calling me and my daughter cos he doesn't agree with me... its been a good couple of hours for me.

comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 12 seconds ago
Robb

the debate is about how it has evolved not about what you now it to be about.

If you want to start one as you want then you know how to do that. Otherwise let the OP moderate the debate it if he isn't happy with the comments. Its a good thread and apart from Colemanballs calling me and my daughter cos he doesn't agree with me... its been a good couple of hours for me.
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Why drag up the old debates about why you think the parents are guilty of killing their kid though? We could be on the verge of the resolution of the whole mystery. From the look of things, this guy is a very promising suspect.

The bottom line for me is this.

They shouldn't have left her alone and the abductor shouldn't have committed the crime.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 53 seconds ago
The bottom line for me is this.

They shouldn't have left her alone and the abductor shouldn't have committed the crime.
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Absolutely - as long as people remember that it’s not a 50/50 thing

The parents facked up but what happened was so abnormal and incredible that they’ve been punished a thousand times more than they deserved.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
The bottom line for me is this.

They shouldn't have left her alone and the abductor shouldn't have committed the crime.
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Did the parents deserve all of the abuse they got / get?

comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
The bottom line for me is this.

They shouldn't have left her alone and the abductor shouldn't have committed the crime.
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I agree with you that the parents killed her

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
The bottom line for me is this.

They shouldn't have left her alone and the abductor shouldn't have committed the crime.
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Did the parents deserve all of the abuse they got / get?
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I don't see how me giving an answer is relevant really. I believe in innocent until proven guilty if that helps.

Lets see what the German police come up with regarding the perv in the beat up VW Campervan.(Thought Ozzies and Kiwis drove them around Europe, Robb)

Maybe..... this will come to an end after this time. My hope was that Maddie would just turn up one day as an adult woman... but with this twist its is currently looking unlikely. Shame if so. And if he is guilty then as I said hours ago I will hold my hands up to the parents, however inadequate that is.

Laters

comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
The bottom line for me is this.

They shouldn't have left her alone and the abductor shouldn't have committed the crime.
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Did the parents deserve all of the abuse they got / get?
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I don't see how me giving an answer is relevant really. I believe in innocent until proven guilty if that helps.
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Kate was pictured shopping in 2014 what the hellll else evidence do you need? Pc gone mad

It’s a pretty simple question so il assume you believe they did deserve it.

Shocking.