People took against them for 2 main reasons.
1. In the early days the press were incredibly kind to them which led to the criticism that had they been shelf stackers from Tower Hamlets rather than doctors would they have been so leinent?
2. Parents couldn't believe that anybody with children that age would go to dinner leaving them alone in the apartment. Especially as a child minding service was available.
They also made comments about their parenting skills not being on trial when a bit of contrition would of been a better look.
I don't know many people who think they did it but I know plenty who think they should of been charged with neglect.
You seem to be so keen to point out the lapse of the parents,
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Which is a fact. They admit this. Why do they need my pity? By pity I presume you mean a cause for regret or disappointment. I will go with that then.
and so slow to talk about the murderer, if it is he
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He isn't the murderer as far as i know. If it is he we will find out one day.
If she was abducted I wouldn't blame the parents for that
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Who the hell came out with that gem.
If she was abducted I wouldn't blame the parents for that
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comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I am a parent.
I’m not being holier than thou. I’m taking the position that I think is sensible, right and decent.
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so you don't think they were bad parents for going to the pub and leaving them in bed?
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Weren't they in a tapas restaurant that was on the very same site as their apartment.What's all this nonsense about being in a pub?
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It was at the other side of the pool complex but almost in sight of the apartment. You should watch the Netflix series on it, very interesting.
I’m not sure what to believe. I can see why as a parent myself they’d want to head out, in what they though was safety and that They could ‘see’ the apartment complex. But I don’t think I’d do that myself unless I was sitting directly out front of it.
That said there’s some pretty big contradictions throughout. So I don’t know what to believe.
Hate to say it, but I wouldn’t rule out something going very wrong and the parents somehow being at fault, but I also wouldn’t rule our someone abducting her.
In that series they had a blood dog, trained to sniff out the slightest drop go into her room, and go absolutely mental a week or so after the abduction.
All I can say is that poor little girl.
Yes it is a fact. Nobody is denying it so why keep going on about it.
They deserve pity fot the disappearance or death of their daughter, do they not.
No we don't know if the German man is guilty or not, but he's in the frame.
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I am a parent.
I’m not being holier than thou. I’m taking the position that I think is sensible, right and decent.
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so you don't think they were bad parents for going to the pub and leaving them in bed?
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Weren't they in a tapas restaurant that was on the very same site as their apartment.What's all this nonsense about being in a pub?
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It was at the other side of the pool complex but almost in sight of the apartment. You should watch the Netflix series on it, very interesting.
I’m not sure what to believe. I can see why as a parent myself they’d want to head out, in what they though was safety and that They could ‘see’ the apartment complex. But I don’t think I’d do that myself unless I was sitting directly out front of it.
That said there’s some pretty big contradictions throughout. So I don’t know what to believe.
Hate to say it, but I wouldn’t rule out something going very wrong and the parents somehow being at fault, but I also wouldn’t rule our someone abducting her.
In that series they had a blood dog, trained to sniff out the slightest drop go into her room, and go absolutely mental a week or so after the abduction.
All I can say is that poor little girl.
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A fair summary.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
If she was abducted I wouldn't blame the parents for that
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Who the hell came out with that gem.
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It was me VC but there was a wider context there though I was trying to convey.
The 'fault' lies firmly at the door of the person who abducted her (if that is what happened). Of course it could have been avoided by being better parents in the first place but the abduction is a greater crime than their negligence IMO.
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I am a parent.
I’m not being holier than thou. I’m taking the position that I think is sensible, right and decent.
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so you don't think they were bad parents for going to the pub and leaving them in bed?
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Weren't they in a tapas restaurant that was on the very same site as their apartment.What's all this nonsense about being in a pub?
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It was at the other side of the pool complex but almost in sight of the apartment. You should watch the Netflix series on it, very interesting.
I’m not sure what to believe. I can see why as a parent myself they’d want to head out, in what they though was safety and that They could ‘see’ the apartment complex. But I don’t think I’d do that myself unless I was sitting directly out front of it.
That said there’s some pretty big contradictions throughout. So I don’t know what to believe.
Hate to say it, but I wouldn’t rule out something going very wrong and the parents somehow being at fault, but I also wouldn’t rule our someone abducting her.
In that series they had a blood dog, trained to sniff out the slightest drop go into her room, and go absolutely mental a week or so after the abduction.
All I can say is that poor little girl.
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I lived in that area of the Algarve for 2 years in the mid 90's.Praia Da Luz was and always has been a family resort.Little to no nightlife in the resort,no rowdy behavior whatsoever.I would imagine a lot of parents would let there guard down in that resort,simply because it is so quiet.
The parents of Maddy let their guard down,probably like many other who have stayed at this resort,but they were the poor bastaards who paid for it.
Not making excuses for them,but unless you know that area and that particular complex you cannot understand exactly how quiet it actually is.It was always a big seller for families until that fateful evening
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes it is a fact. Nobody is denying it so why keep going on about it.
They deserve pity fot the disappearance or death of their daughter, do they not.
No we don't know if the German man is guilty or not, but he's in the frame.
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They absolutely deserve pity, but only if they weren’t involved. It’s murky, and it a horrid thing to say, but there’s a hell of a lot of contradictions in this.
The Portuguese police bungled a bit, then started getting trigger happy as pressure from the U.K. built.
There’s also rumours a paedo gabg we’re operating nearby, and another Portuguese kid that went missing a few years before. There’s conflicting accounts of who was checking on the kids etc...
Too many variables. Can’t see it getting solved. Haven’t read up in this latest development, so maybe there’s something in that, but the whole thing is really murky.
Not we’re, were ffs facking spellchecker.
For what it's worth, I don't like the parents, smug and unfeeling I thought.
But there are many, many people who I have not liked, and vice versa, and none of us have murdered our children.
So it's not an infallible rule.
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.
But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.
There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
Yes it is a fact. Nobody is denying it so why keep going on about it.
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Im not. You are.
OK, I pity them. There.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 seconds ago
For what it's worth, I don't like the parents, smug and unfeeling I thought.
But there are many, many people who I have not liked, and vice versa, and none of us have murdered our children.
So it's not an infallible rule.
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No, and the way they’ve campaigned over the years, it would be a hell of a racket to keep up if they had something to do with it.
But you want me to pity them rather than chastise them for it, as if they hadn't left her alone the girl would still probably be with them today.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 17 seconds ago
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.
But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.
There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
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You can say they made a mistake. It’s not like they went to a notorious paedophile house and just knocked on the door and left Maddie there.
From the sounds of it, this guy broke in and took her. That could have happened in a house where the parents were home.
By doing what they did they increased the risk - absolutely but you can’t say they were to blame if by a freak chance a paedophile just happened to be in that exact place at that exact time and hit the jackpot.
That Netflix series is with a look, it examines it from multiple angles. Very interesting watch, but also very sad.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.
But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.
There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
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I absolutely blame the parents for doing a stupid thing. I just don't think the punishment suffered by Maddie and them (if their account is genuine) fits their 'crime'. Sadly, the fact is that their actions, or inaction led to this, but I'm trying to show a little compassion here and saying the blame lies at the door of the abductor. Not every mistake is punished as harshly as this.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.
But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.
There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
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I absolutely blame the parents for doing a stupid thing. I just don't think the punishment suffered by Maddie and them (if their account is genuine) fits their 'crime'. Sadly, the fact is that their actions, or inaction led to this, but I'm trying to show a little compassion here and saying the blame lies at the door of the abductor. Not every mistake is punished as harshly as this.
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comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 18 seconds ago
But you want me to pity them rather than chastise them for it, as if they hadn't left her alone the girl would still probably be with them today.
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Their daughter has been missing for 13 years and is probably dead.They made a mistake and yet you will sooner chastise them than have pity for them even if their daughter was abducted and killed by a stranger.
When you go outside with your children,make sure you hold onto their hands from when you leave the house until you get back.If you don't and something happens to them then how would you feel if others call you a bad parent.
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
But you want me to pity them rather than chastise them for it, as if they hadn't left her alone the girl would still probably be with them today.
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There’s that. But parents also need some downtime, kids are mental and can be really hard work. They probably figured they go over the other side of the complex and keep an eye on it from there (which they could pretty much see).
As I said earlier, I wouldn’t chase it, unless I was directly out front, but I don’t overly blame them. Irresponsible, a little, but they are only human too.
So in that sense I pity them. Only trying to get sone respite.,
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posted on 4/6/20
People took against them for 2 main reasons.
1. In the early days the press were incredibly kind to them which led to the criticism that had they been shelf stackers from Tower Hamlets rather than doctors would they have been so leinent?
2. Parents couldn't believe that anybody with children that age would go to dinner leaving them alone in the apartment. Especially as a child minding service was available.
They also made comments about their parenting skills not being on trial when a bit of contrition would of been a better look.
I don't know many people who think they did it but I know plenty who think they should of been charged with neglect.
posted on 4/6/20
Confirmation bias.
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posted on 4/6/20
Fack
posted on 4/6/20
You seem to be so keen to point out the lapse of the parents,
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Which is a fact. They admit this. Why do they need my pity? By pity I presume you mean a cause for regret or disappointment. I will go with that then.
and so slow to talk about the murderer, if it is he
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He isn't the murderer as far as i know. If it is he we will find out one day.
posted on 4/6/20
If she was abducted I wouldn't blame the parents for that
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Who the hell came out with that gem.
posted on 4/6/20
If she was abducted I wouldn't blame the parents for that
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posted on 4/6/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I am a parent.
I’m not being holier than thou. I’m taking the position that I think is sensible, right and decent.
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so you don't think they were bad parents for going to the pub and leaving them in bed?
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Weren't they in a tapas restaurant that was on the very same site as their apartment.What's all this nonsense about being in a pub?
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It was at the other side of the pool complex but almost in sight of the apartment. You should watch the Netflix series on it, very interesting.
I’m not sure what to believe. I can see why as a parent myself they’d want to head out, in what they though was safety and that They could ‘see’ the apartment complex. But I don’t think I’d do that myself unless I was sitting directly out front of it.
That said there’s some pretty big contradictions throughout. So I don’t know what to believe.
Hate to say it, but I wouldn’t rule out something going very wrong and the parents somehow being at fault, but I also wouldn’t rule our someone abducting her.
In that series they had a blood dog, trained to sniff out the slightest drop go into her room, and go absolutely mental a week or so after the abduction.
All I can say is that poor little girl.
posted on 4/6/20
Yes it is a fact. Nobody is denying it so why keep going on about it.
They deserve pity fot the disappearance or death of their daughter, do they not.
No we don't know if the German man is guilty or not, but he's in the frame.
posted on 4/6/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I am a parent.
I’m not being holier than thou. I’m taking the position that I think is sensible, right and decent.
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so you don't think they were bad parents for going to the pub and leaving them in bed?
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Weren't they in a tapas restaurant that was on the very same site as their apartment.What's all this nonsense about being in a pub?
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It was at the other side of the pool complex but almost in sight of the apartment. You should watch the Netflix series on it, very interesting.
I’m not sure what to believe. I can see why as a parent myself they’d want to head out, in what they though was safety and that They could ‘see’ the apartment complex. But I don’t think I’d do that myself unless I was sitting directly out front of it.
That said there’s some pretty big contradictions throughout. So I don’t know what to believe.
Hate to say it, but I wouldn’t rule out something going very wrong and the parents somehow being at fault, but I also wouldn’t rule our someone abducting her.
In that series they had a blood dog, trained to sniff out the slightest drop go into her room, and go absolutely mental a week or so after the abduction.
All I can say is that poor little girl.
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A fair summary.
posted on 4/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
If she was abducted I wouldn't blame the parents for that
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Who the hell came out with that gem.
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It was me VC but there was a wider context there though I was trying to convey.
The 'fault' lies firmly at the door of the person who abducted her (if that is what happened). Of course it could have been avoided by being better parents in the first place but the abduction is a greater crime than their negligence IMO.
posted on 4/6/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
I am a parent.
I’m not being holier than thou. I’m taking the position that I think is sensible, right and decent.
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so you don't think they were bad parents for going to the pub and leaving them in bed?
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Weren't they in a tapas restaurant that was on the very same site as their apartment.What's all this nonsense about being in a pub?
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It was at the other side of the pool complex but almost in sight of the apartment. You should watch the Netflix series on it, very interesting.
I’m not sure what to believe. I can see why as a parent myself they’d want to head out, in what they though was safety and that They could ‘see’ the apartment complex. But I don’t think I’d do that myself unless I was sitting directly out front of it.
That said there’s some pretty big contradictions throughout. So I don’t know what to believe.
Hate to say it, but I wouldn’t rule out something going very wrong and the parents somehow being at fault, but I also wouldn’t rule our someone abducting her.
In that series they had a blood dog, trained to sniff out the slightest drop go into her room, and go absolutely mental a week or so after the abduction.
All I can say is that poor little girl.
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I lived in that area of the Algarve for 2 years in the mid 90's.Praia Da Luz was and always has been a family resort.Little to no nightlife in the resort,no rowdy behavior whatsoever.I would imagine a lot of parents would let there guard down in that resort,simply because it is so quiet.
The parents of Maddy let their guard down,probably like many other who have stayed at this resort,but they were the poor bastaards who paid for it.
Not making excuses for them,but unless you know that area and that particular complex you cannot understand exactly how quiet it actually is.It was always a big seller for families until that fateful evening
posted on 4/6/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes it is a fact. Nobody is denying it so why keep going on about it.
They deserve pity fot the disappearance or death of their daughter, do they not.
No we don't know if the German man is guilty or not, but he's in the frame.
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They absolutely deserve pity, but only if they weren’t involved. It’s murky, and it a horrid thing to say, but there’s a hell of a lot of contradictions in this.
The Portuguese police bungled a bit, then started getting trigger happy as pressure from the U.K. built.
There’s also rumours a paedo gabg we’re operating nearby, and another Portuguese kid that went missing a few years before. There’s conflicting accounts of who was checking on the kids etc...
Too many variables. Can’t see it getting solved. Haven’t read up in this latest development, so maybe there’s something in that, but the whole thing is really murky.
posted on 4/6/20
Not we’re, were ffs facking spellchecker.
posted on 4/6/20
For what it's worth, I don't like the parents, smug and unfeeling I thought.
But there are many, many people who I have not liked, and vice versa, and none of us have murdered our children.
So it's not an infallible rule.
posted on 4/6/20
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.
But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.
There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
posted on 4/6/20
Yes it is a fact. Nobody is denying it so why keep going on about it.
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Im not. You are.
OK, I pity them. There.
posted on 4/6/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 seconds ago
For what it's worth, I don't like the parents, smug and unfeeling I thought.
But there are many, many people who I have not liked, and vice versa, and none of us have murdered our children.
So it's not an infallible rule.
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No, and the way they’ve campaigned over the years, it would be a hell of a racket to keep up if they had something to do with it.
posted on 4/6/20
But you want me to pity them rather than chastise them for it, as if they hadn't left her alone the girl would still probably be with them today.
posted on 4/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 17 seconds ago
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.
But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.
There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
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You can say they made a mistake. It’s not like they went to a notorious paedophile house and just knocked on the door and left Maddie there.
From the sounds of it, this guy broke in and took her. That could have happened in a house where the parents were home.
By doing what they did they increased the risk - absolutely but you can’t say they were to blame if by a freak chance a paedophile just happened to be in that exact place at that exact time and hit the jackpot.
posted on 4/6/20
That Netflix series is with a look, it examines it from multiple angles. Very interesting watch, but also very sad.
posted on 4/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.
But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.
There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
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I absolutely blame the parents for doing a stupid thing. I just don't think the punishment suffered by Maddie and them (if their account is genuine) fits their 'crime'. Sadly, the fact is that their actions, or inaction led to this, but I'm trying to show a little compassion here and saying the blame lies at the door of the abductor. Not every mistake is punished as harshly as this.
posted on 4/6/20
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 7 seconds ago
Obviously the abduction is the greater crime.
But had the parents not left Maddie alone then she wouldn’t have been abducted in the first place.
There is no reasoning where you can say the parents are not to blame.
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I absolutely blame the parents for doing a stupid thing. I just don't think the punishment suffered by Maddie and them (if their account is genuine) fits their 'crime'. Sadly, the fact is that their actions, or inaction led to this, but I'm trying to show a little compassion here and saying the blame lies at the door of the abductor. Not every mistake is punished as harshly as this.
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posted on 4/6/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 18 seconds ago
But you want me to pity them rather than chastise them for it, as if they hadn't left her alone the girl would still probably be with them today.
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Their daughter has been missing for 13 years and is probably dead.They made a mistake and yet you will sooner chastise them than have pity for them even if their daughter was abducted and killed by a stranger.
When you go outside with your children,make sure you hold onto their hands from when you leave the house until you get back.If you don't and something happens to them then how would you feel if others call you a bad parent.
posted on 4/6/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
But you want me to pity them rather than chastise them for it, as if they hadn't left her alone the girl would still probably be with them today.
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There’s that. But parents also need some downtime, kids are mental and can be really hard work. They probably figured they go over the other side of the complex and keep an eye on it from there (which they could pretty much see).
As I said earlier, I wouldn’t chase it, unless I was directly out front, but I don’t overly blame them. Irresponsible, a little, but they are only human too.
So in that sense I pity them. Only trying to get sone respite.,
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