Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
I didn't say it was comparable.
The point I'm getting at is that things have changed. People's perceptions of danger have changed - not least because of cases exactly like this.
I'm not defending the parents but I am saying we should be careful about retrospectively judging their assessment of risk to harshly.
I didn't see your reply, no, sorry.
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i cant believe Robb is actually trying to justify it and make it less severe than it is by saying they were only meters away and having a drink.
honestly thought he had more about him than that
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Really? You give him too much credit.
Robb isn’t a parent so doesn’t understand or care about the opinions of people who are. If you haven’t realised how low he will stoop to win an argument you haven’t been paying attention.
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Lots of people with kids on here are in agreement with me so I’d suggest it’s your obsession with labelling me that is the real low blow in this argument
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Any parent is ok with what the McCanns did is a bad parent.
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Who is saying it’s okay?
The only thing myself and many others on here are arguing is the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. Do you agree?
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No, not really. They probably deserved to face legal action in addition to the pain that they are suffering. My sympathy is all with that poor little girl that they left in a strange room, in a foreign country, on a complex right next to a public road.
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What laws did they break ??
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Abandonment.
Anyone with a brain knows that in that situation if your lawyer advises you to say no comment you don’t say anything
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How naive.
Before I was a parent I'd had a few iffy on/off relationships with dodgy women with kids and I thought I knew what it was all about.
I didn't have a clue. When my lad was born the most overwhelming need to protect the vunerable boy in my arms from all the nasty fackers out there hit me like a steam train and I have every right to judge the McCanns by those standards.
They failed and Maddy paid the ultimate price for it!
Genuinely hadn't seen this report before I made my point.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/family-holidays/was-I-wrong-to-leave-my-baby-sleeping-in-a-hotel-room/
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If George Floyd had not used a fake bank note/cheque then he would not have been killed.
You are blaming George Floyd's relatively minor mistake for his own death.
It is exactly the same idea.
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Great point. Be interesting to see how he wriggles out of this.
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Well, Barry is probably joking, but it's not a great point or comparison. Using a fake bank note, though it may be a crime, is not one that is likely to result in danger to life. Unfortunately, leaving very young children alone is likely to do that - even if there is not a dangerous criminal around.
Not getting drawn into the wider argument though.
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To be fair they probably do actually think "well if you hadn't broken the law like that then you wouldn't have been killed"
That's how their minds work. Please get drawn in.
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Anyone with a brain knows that in that situation if your lawyer advises you to say no comment you don’t say anything
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How naive.
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I think I’ll take a lawyer over VC’s ‘knowledge’
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If George Floyd had not used a fake bank note/cheque then he would not have been killed.
You are blaming George Floyd's relatively minor mistake for his own death.
It is exactly the same idea.
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Great point. Be interesting to see how he wriggles out of this.
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Its not a great point at all. As again, there are two actions. Floyd was wrong for passing fake tender. The cop was wrong for murdering him. Floyd certainly didn't deserve to die, but if he hadn't broken the law, he wouldn't have been arrested (and then murdered).
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Before I was a parent I'd had a few iffy on/off relationships with dodgy women with kids and I thought I knew what it was all about.
I didn't have a clue. When my lad was born the most overwhelming need to protect the vunerable boy in my arms from all the nasty fackers out there hit me like a steam train and I have every right to judge the McCanns by those standards.
They failed and Maddy paid the ultimate price for it!
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I hope one day that Robb becomes a parent because he will then understand it.
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but advocating that the other two children are taken into care?
Facking hell, there's some bizarre people in this world.
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I'll be honest here and say I think that they couldn't have really had much of a complaint had their other children been put into care.
A quick Google search gives me this story - https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mum-who-left-son-4-17451048 - where a key line is 'Care proceedings relating to the woman's children were said to be ongoing and she was having supervised contact.'
There's really not much difference between what the McCann's did and her other than social class IMO.
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Tbf there are differences. The McCanns were in the same complex at a holiday resort in an area which should be safe - not saying they were right to leave the kid alone but this woman in your example went into town and to a pub miles away from the home.
Neither family comes off great in these stories but the McCanns made a mistake which they’ll have to live with forever. They’ll never leave their kids again and to take their remaining kid(s) away doesn’t really help anyone except the voracious haters out there who want their pound of flesh.
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no no no Robb... they didnt make a mistake at all... they made a CHOICE
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tell me Robb.... their child went missing and is probably dead after they CHOSE to leave her and her younger siblings alone while they went out enjoying themselves.... now it could have been one of the three that went missing..... so tell me.. why exactly did they deserve to keep their other 2 children that they put at just a great a risk as maddie
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Tell me what taking the other kids away would achieve?
Are the McCanns likely to leave their other kids alone ever again? Nope.
Have some empathy.
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what it would achieve?
it would ensure they never fecking done it again ( because it certainly wasnt the first time)
as for emapthy..i'd have more empathy for the shiiiite on my shoe, they deserve fack all empathy
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What an absolute 5cumbag you are. Imagine having such an existence that you would.put such time and energy into putting the boot into 2 peoplle who have had to live with such a terrible loss due to an error in judgement.
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yeah an error in judgement... most people call it child negligence resulting in abduction and probable death
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Would Maddie have been abducted had there not been a paedophile burglar at that exact spot on that same night?
The reason I ask is because you said if they didn’t leave her, she wasn’t taken.
But you can also argue that if there wasn’t a paedo burglar there she wouldn’t have been taken
It’s always nice to look at things from another angle
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youre assuming he is guilty Robb and thats your first mistake
I think I’ll take a lawyer over VC’s ‘knowledge’
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My knowledge is not what you are naive about.
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I am not taking any blame away from the abductor, but whoever they are, they are sick. They are driven by carnal desire. The McCanns are intelligent and educated people who thought it ok to risk the safety of their children so that they could dine (and drink) in peace. Unfortunately their poor girl paid the price for their selfishness.
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😹😹 wow, this is possibly the worst comment on this subject ever made. Well done.
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What is incorrect about it Robb?
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I think Robb may have read that as being all about the McCann's. I'm sure he'll retract once he realises it isn't to be fair to him.
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Diafol, surely you can see what he’s typed there. Almost excusing the abductor due to his ‘carnal desires’ and placing as much blame on the McCanns which is ludicrous
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I specifically said that I wasn't taking any blame away from the abducted. They want executing. And they are worse than the McCanns for sure. But what the McCanns did was very bad in my book. Maybe if you are lucky enough to ever have kids you will understand better.
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You’re inventing a viewpoint that doesn’t exist
Everyone here, myself included blames the parents for being negligent and taking a chance when they shouldn’t have.
But... what happened was an absolute freak occurrence and the punishment for their crime was waaaay bigger than they deserved. I don’t see how that’s even a debate
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If you risk the safety of your children so that you can eat and drink in peace, then you deserve the punishment that you get. Consider the horror that their daughter went through so that they could enjoy their meal without being bothered by their children. I have little sympathy for them.
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What If they didnt feel there was any real risk of her being snatched ?
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Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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It shouldn't be an argument, parents are clearly in a better position to judge the McCanns.
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Before I was a parent I'd had a few iffy on/off relationships with dodgy women with kids and I thought I knew what it was all about.
I didn't have a clue. When my lad was born the most overwhelming need to protect the vunerable boy in my arms from all the nasty fackers out there hit me like a steam train and I have every right to judge the McCanns by those standards.
They failed and Maddy paid the ultimate price for it!
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If you don't have kids you don't get it. That's not me being a tw@t, it is just the truth. I find it appalling that they left them every/most nights and especially that they left her after she had woken up and been upset that they weren't there.
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Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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It shouldn't be an argument, parents are clearly in a better position to judge the McCanns.
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That doesn't mean that all parents agree nor that Robb isn't entitled to his opinion. It's just a distraction from the discussion.
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Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Like telling people that they aren't intelligent enough to be involved in the conversation?
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Before I was a parent I'd had a few iffy on/off relationships with dodgy women with kids and I thought I knew what it was all about.
I didn't have a clue. When my lad was born the most overwhelming need to protect the vunerable boy in my arms from all the nasty fackers out there hit me like a steam train and I have every right to judge the McCanns by those standards.
They failed and Maddy paid the ultimate price for it!
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I hope one day that Robb becomes a parent because he will then understand it.
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Everyone understands it
The McCanns screwed up - everyone knows that. But the resulting events were so heinous that anyone with a heart will be able to both scorn the McCanns while at the same time sympathise with fellow human beings making a horrendous error of judgment.
I hope you teach your step kids to be more empathetic than you seem to be.
So they had looked at this paedo previously and had dismissed him as a suspect but now he is back on the radar?
What new info has caused this?
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Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Like telling people that they aren't intelligent enough to be involved in the conversation?
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If you want to compare two very different threads and two very different exchanges then be my guest.
Feel free to keep it civil and actually reply to my response to you, plus the article I posted.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but advocating that the other two children are taken into care?
Facking hell, there's some bizarre people in this world.
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I'll be honest here and say I think that they couldn't have really had much of a complaint had their other children been put into care.
A quick Google search gives me this story - https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mum-who-left-son-4-17451048 - where a key line is 'Care proceedings relating to the woman's children were said to be ongoing and she was having supervised contact.'
There's really not much difference between what the McCann's did and her other than social class IMO.
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Tbf there are differences. The McCanns were in the same complex at a holiday resort in an area which should be safe - not saying they were right to leave the kid alone but this woman in your example went into town and to a pub miles away from the home.
Neither family comes off great in these stories but the McCanns made a mistake which they’ll have to live with forever. They’ll never leave their kids again and to take their remaining kid(s) away doesn’t really help anyone except the voracious haters out there who want their pound of flesh.
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no no no Robb... they didnt make a mistake at all... they made a CHOICE
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tell me Robb.... their child went missing and is probably dead after they CHOSE to leave her and her younger siblings alone while they went out enjoying themselves.... now it could have been one of the three that went missing..... so tell me.. why exactly did they deserve to keep their other 2 children that they put at just a great a risk as maddie
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Tell me what taking the other kids away would achieve?
Are the McCanns likely to leave their other kids alone ever again? Nope.
Have some empathy.
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what it would achieve?
it would ensure they never fecking done it again ( because it certainly wasnt the first time)
as for emapthy..i'd have more empathy for the shiiiite on my shoe, they deserve fack all empathy
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What an absolute 5cumbag you are. Imagine having such an existence that you would.put such time and energy into putting the boot into 2 peoplle who have had to live with such a terrible loss due to an error in judgement.
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yeah an error in judgement... most people call it child negligence resulting in abduction and probable death
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Would Maddie have been abducted had there not been a paedophile burglar at that exact spot on that same night?
The reason I ask is because you said if they didn’t leave her, she wasn’t taken.
But you can also argue that if there wasn’t a paedo burglar there she wouldn’t have been taken
It’s always nice to look at things from another angle
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youre assuming he is guilty Robb and thats your first mistake
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Indeed - this article is based upon the premise that he is guilty
And if he is, how do you answer the question I posed
Everyone understands it
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You don’t. Your comments have made that perfectly clear.
The fact that you have insulted actual parents because they don’t subscribe to your views beggars belief.
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Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
I didn't say it was comparable.
The point I'm getting at is that things have changed. People's perceptions of danger have changed - not least because of cases exactly like this.
I'm not defending the parents but I am saying we should be careful about retrospectively judging their assessment of risk to harshly.
I didn't see your reply, no, sorry.
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The point I made about Huntley earlier wasn't that I thought he was guilty after it became apparent that he was a suspect. Huntley was actually on TV being interviewed whilst the police were still searching for the girls. And it was then that I thought that it was him.
I had the same feeling with Shannon Briggs' mum and my dad pointed the finger at the bloke that burnt his house down and killed all his kids when he was on TV too.
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Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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It shouldn't be an argument, parents are clearly in a better position to judge the McCanns.
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That doesn't mean that all parents agree nor that Robb isn't entitled to his opinion. It's just a distraction from the discussion.
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Indeed - how would VC like it if someone told him he couldn’t debate a Black lives matter debate because he’s not black
And the ‘being a parent thing’ really only comes into play if every parent in the world feels the same way Vc and some others on here do which is clearly not the case.
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Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
I didn't say it was comparable.
The point I'm getting at is that things have changed. People's perceptions of danger have changed - not least because of cases exactly like this.
I'm not defending the parents but I am saying we should be careful about retrospectively judging their assessment of risk to harshly.
I didn't see your reply, no, sorry.
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i cant believe Robb is actually trying to justify it and make it less severe than it is by saying they were only meters away and having a drink.
honestly thought he had more about him than that
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Really? You give him too much credit.
Robb isn’t a parent so doesn’t understand or care about the opinions of people who are. If you haven’t realised how low he will stoop to win an argument you haven’t been paying attention.
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Lots of people with kids on here are in agreement with me so I’d suggest it’s your obsession with labelling me that is the real low blow in this argument
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Any parent is ok with what the McCanns did is a bad parent.
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Who is saying it’s okay?
The only thing myself and many others on here are arguing is the punishment doesn’t fit the crime. Do you agree?
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No, not really. They probably deserved to face legal action in addition to the pain that they are suffering. My sympathy is all with that poor little girl that they left in a strange room, in a foreign country, on a complex right next to a public road.
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What laws did they break ??
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Abandonment.
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Anyone with a brain knows that in that situation if your lawyer advises you to say no comment you don’t say anything
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How naive.
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Before I was a parent I'd had a few iffy on/off relationships with dodgy women with kids and I thought I knew what it was all about.
I didn't have a clue. When my lad was born the most overwhelming need to protect the vunerable boy in my arms from all the nasty fackers out there hit me like a steam train and I have every right to judge the McCanns by those standards.
They failed and Maddy paid the ultimate price for it!
posted on 5/6/20
Genuinely hadn't seen this report before I made my point.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/family-holidays/was-I-wrong-to-leave-my-baby-sleeping-in-a-hotel-room/
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comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
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If George Floyd had not used a fake bank note/cheque then he would not have been killed.
You are blaming George Floyd's relatively minor mistake for his own death.
It is exactly the same idea.
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Great point. Be interesting to see how he wriggles out of this.
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Well, Barry is probably joking, but it's not a great point or comparison. Using a fake bank note, though it may be a crime, is not one that is likely to result in danger to life. Unfortunately, leaving very young children alone is likely to do that - even if there is not a dangerous criminal around.
Not getting drawn into the wider argument though.
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To be fair they probably do actually think "well if you hadn't broken the law like that then you wouldn't have been killed"
That's how their minds work. Please get drawn in.
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Anyone with a brain knows that in that situation if your lawyer advises you to say no comment you don’t say anything
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How naive.
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I think I’ll take a lawyer over VC’s ‘knowledge’
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comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
If George Floyd had not used a fake bank note/cheque then he would not have been killed.
You are blaming George Floyd's relatively minor mistake for his own death.
It is exactly the same idea.
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Great point. Be interesting to see how he wriggles out of this.
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Its not a great point at all. As again, there are two actions. Floyd was wrong for passing fake tender. The cop was wrong for murdering him. Floyd certainly didn't deserve to die, but if he hadn't broken the law, he wouldn't have been arrested (and then murdered).
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Before I was a parent I'd had a few iffy on/off relationships with dodgy women with kids and I thought I knew what it was all about.
I didn't have a clue. When my lad was born the most overwhelming need to protect the vunerable boy in my arms from all the nasty fackers out there hit me like a steam train and I have every right to judge the McCanns by those standards.
They failed and Maddy paid the ultimate price for it!
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I hope one day that Robb becomes a parent because he will then understand it.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but advocating that the other two children are taken into care?
Facking hell, there's some bizarre people in this world.
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I'll be honest here and say I think that they couldn't have really had much of a complaint had their other children been put into care.
A quick Google search gives me this story - https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mum-who-left-son-4-17451048 - where a key line is 'Care proceedings relating to the woman's children were said to be ongoing and she was having supervised contact.'
There's really not much difference between what the McCann's did and her other than social class IMO.
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Tbf there are differences. The McCanns were in the same complex at a holiday resort in an area which should be safe - not saying they were right to leave the kid alone but this woman in your example went into town and to a pub miles away from the home.
Neither family comes off great in these stories but the McCanns made a mistake which they’ll have to live with forever. They’ll never leave their kids again and to take their remaining kid(s) away doesn’t really help anyone except the voracious haters out there who want their pound of flesh.
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no no no Robb... they didnt make a mistake at all... they made a CHOICE
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tell me Robb.... their child went missing and is probably dead after they CHOSE to leave her and her younger siblings alone while they went out enjoying themselves.... now it could have been one of the three that went missing..... so tell me.. why exactly did they deserve to keep their other 2 children that they put at just a great a risk as maddie
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Tell me what taking the other kids away would achieve?
Are the McCanns likely to leave their other kids alone ever again? Nope.
Have some empathy.
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what it would achieve?
it would ensure they never fecking done it again ( because it certainly wasnt the first time)
as for emapthy..i'd have more empathy for the shiiiite on my shoe, they deserve fack all empathy
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What an absolute 5cumbag you are. Imagine having such an existence that you would.put such time and energy into putting the boot into 2 peoplle who have had to live with such a terrible loss due to an error in judgement.
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yeah an error in judgement... most people call it child negligence resulting in abduction and probable death
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Would Maddie have been abducted had there not been a paedophile burglar at that exact spot on that same night?
The reason I ask is because you said if they didn’t leave her, she wasn’t taken.
But you can also argue that if there wasn’t a paedo burglar there she wouldn’t have been taken
It’s always nice to look at things from another angle
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youre assuming he is guilty Robb and thats your first mistake
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I think I’ll take a lawyer over VC’s ‘knowledge’
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My knowledge is not what you are naive about.
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comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
I am not taking any blame away from the abductor, but whoever they are, they are sick. They are driven by carnal desire. The McCanns are intelligent and educated people who thought it ok to risk the safety of their children so that they could dine (and drink) in peace. Unfortunately their poor girl paid the price for their selfishness.
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😹😹 wow, this is possibly the worst comment on this subject ever made. Well done.
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What is incorrect about it Robb?
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I think Robb may have read that as being all about the McCann's. I'm sure he'll retract once he realises it isn't to be fair to him.
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Diafol, surely you can see what he’s typed there. Almost excusing the abductor due to his ‘carnal desires’ and placing as much blame on the McCanns which is ludicrous
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I specifically said that I wasn't taking any blame away from the abducted. They want executing. And they are worse than the McCanns for sure. But what the McCanns did was very bad in my book. Maybe if you are lucky enough to ever have kids you will understand better.
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You’re inventing a viewpoint that doesn’t exist
Everyone here, myself included blames the parents for being negligent and taking a chance when they shouldn’t have.
But... what happened was an absolute freak occurrence and the punishment for their crime was waaaay bigger than they deserved. I don’t see how that’s even a debate
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If you risk the safety of your children so that you can eat and drink in peace, then you deserve the punishment that you get. Consider the horror that their daughter went through so that they could enjoy their meal without being bothered by their children. I have little sympathy for them.
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What If they didnt feel there was any real risk of her being snatched ?
posted on 5/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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It shouldn't be an argument, parents are clearly in a better position to judge the McCanns.
posted on 5/6/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
Before I was a parent I'd had a few iffy on/off relationships with dodgy women with kids and I thought I knew what it was all about.
I didn't have a clue. When my lad was born the most overwhelming need to protect the vunerable boy in my arms from all the nasty fackers out there hit me like a steam train and I have every right to judge the McCanns by those standards.
They failed and Maddy paid the ultimate price for it!
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If you don't have kids you don't get it. That's not me being a tw@t, it is just the truth. I find it appalling that they left them every/most nights and especially that they left her after she had woken up and been upset that they weren't there.
posted on 5/6/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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It shouldn't be an argument, parents are clearly in a better position to judge the McCanns.
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That doesn't mean that all parents agree nor that Robb isn't entitled to his opinion. It's just a distraction from the discussion.
posted on 5/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Like telling people that they aren't intelligent enough to be involved in the conversation?
posted on 5/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 second ago
Before I was a parent I'd had a few iffy on/off relationships with dodgy women with kids and I thought I knew what it was all about.
I didn't have a clue. When my lad was born the most overwhelming need to protect the vunerable boy in my arms from all the nasty fackers out there hit me like a steam train and I have every right to judge the McCanns by those standards.
They failed and Maddy paid the ultimate price for it!
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I hope one day that Robb becomes a parent because he will then understand it.
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Everyone understands it
The McCanns screwed up - everyone knows that. But the resulting events were so heinous that anyone with a heart will be able to both scorn the McCanns while at the same time sympathise with fellow human beings making a horrendous error of judgment.
I hope you teach your step kids to be more empathetic than you seem to be.
posted on 5/6/20
So they had looked at this paedo previously and had dismissed him as a suspect but now he is back on the radar?
What new info has caused this?
posted on 5/6/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Like telling people that they aren't intelligent enough to be involved in the conversation?
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If you want to compare two very different threads and two very different exchanges then be my guest.
Feel free to keep it civil and actually reply to my response to you, plus the article I posted.
posted on 5/6/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
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comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 35 seconds ago
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comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 minutes ago
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but advocating that the other two children are taken into care?
Facking hell, there's some bizarre people in this world.
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I'll be honest here and say I think that they couldn't have really had much of a complaint had their other children been put into care.
A quick Google search gives me this story - https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/mum-who-left-son-4-17451048 - where a key line is 'Care proceedings relating to the woman's children were said to be ongoing and she was having supervised contact.'
There's really not much difference between what the McCann's did and her other than social class IMO.
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Tbf there are differences. The McCanns were in the same complex at a holiday resort in an area which should be safe - not saying they were right to leave the kid alone but this woman in your example went into town and to a pub miles away from the home.
Neither family comes off great in these stories but the McCanns made a mistake which they’ll have to live with forever. They’ll never leave their kids again and to take their remaining kid(s) away doesn’t really help anyone except the voracious haters out there who want their pound of flesh.
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no no no Robb... they didnt make a mistake at all... they made a CHOICE
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tell me Robb.... their child went missing and is probably dead after they CHOSE to leave her and her younger siblings alone while they went out enjoying themselves.... now it could have been one of the three that went missing..... so tell me.. why exactly did they deserve to keep their other 2 children that they put at just a great a risk as maddie
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Tell me what taking the other kids away would achieve?
Are the McCanns likely to leave their other kids alone ever again? Nope.
Have some empathy.
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what it would achieve?
it would ensure they never fecking done it again ( because it certainly wasnt the first time)
as for emapthy..i'd have more empathy for the shiiiite on my shoe, they deserve fack all empathy
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What an absolute 5cumbag you are. Imagine having such an existence that you would.put such time and energy into putting the boot into 2 peoplle who have had to live with such a terrible loss due to an error in judgement.
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yeah an error in judgement... most people call it child negligence resulting in abduction and probable death
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Would Maddie have been abducted had there not been a paedophile burglar at that exact spot on that same night?
The reason I ask is because you said if they didn’t leave her, she wasn’t taken.
But you can also argue that if there wasn’t a paedo burglar there she wouldn’t have been taken
It’s always nice to look at things from another angle
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youre assuming he is guilty Robb and thats your first mistake
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Indeed - this article is based upon the premise that he is guilty
And if he is, how do you answer the question I posed
posted on 5/6/20
Everyone understands it
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You don’t. Your comments have made that perfectly clear.
The fact that you have insulted actual parents because they don’t subscribe to your views beggars belief.
posted on 5/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
I didn't say it was comparable.
The point I'm getting at is that things have changed. People's perceptions of danger have changed - not least because of cases exactly like this.
I'm not defending the parents but I am saying we should be careful about retrospectively judging their assessment of risk to harshly.
I didn't see your reply, no, sorry.
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The point I made about Huntley earlier wasn't that I thought he was guilty after it became apparent that he was a suspect. Huntley was actually on TV being interviewed whilst the police were still searching for the girls. And it was then that I thought that it was him.
I had the same feeling with Shannon Briggs' mum and my dad pointed the finger at the bloke that burnt his house down and killed all his kids when he was on TV too.
posted on 5/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 seconds ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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It shouldn't be an argument, parents are clearly in a better position to judge the McCanns.
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That doesn't mean that all parents agree nor that Robb isn't entitled to his opinion. It's just a distraction from the discussion.
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Indeed - how would VC like it if someone told him he couldn’t debate a Black lives matter debate because he’s not black
And the ‘being a parent thing’ really only comes into play if every parent in the world feels the same way Vc and some others on here do which is clearly not the case.
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