Winston are you a parent?

Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)

Sorry mate, but your 'funny feeling' about people you have seen on the telly is really not any form of credible basis.

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 30 seconds ago
Winston are you a parent?
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Yes mate

comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 6 hours, 30 minutes ago
Can't believe people are defending these selfish cants who left their kids alone to go on a bender

I mean really

Wtf is wrong with people. Basic parenting ffs
They were fecking under 4s for crying out loud

They refused child minding service which was available to them because it wasn't convenient

Selfish bastardss
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They didn't go on a bender, they went for a meal.

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
I am not taking any blame away from the abductor, but whoever they are, they are sick. They are driven by carnal desire. The McCanns are intelligent and educated people who thought it ok to risk the safety of their children so that they could dine (and drink) in peace. Unfortunately their poor girl paid the price for their selfishness.
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😹😹 wow, this is possibly the worst comment on this subject ever made. Well done.
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What is incorrect about it Robb?

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I think Robb may have read that as being all about the McCann's. I'm sure he'll retract once he realises it isn't to be fair to him.
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Diafol, surely you can see what he’s typed there. Almost excusing the abductor due to his ‘carnal desires’ and placing as much blame on the McCanns which is ludicrous
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I specifically said that I wasn't taking any blame away from the abducted. They want executing. And they are worse than the McCanns for sure. But what the McCanns did was very bad in my book. Maybe if you are lucky enough to ever have kids you will understand better.
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You’re inventing a viewpoint that doesn’t exist

Everyone here, myself included blames the parents for being negligent and taking a chance when they shouldn’t have.

But... what happened was an absolute freak occurrence and the punishment for their crime was waaaay bigger than they deserved. I don’t see how that’s even a debate
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If you risk the safety of your children so that you can eat and drink in peace, then you deserve the punishment that you get. Consider the horror that their daughter went through so that they could enjoy their meal without being bothered by their children. I have little sympathy for them.
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What If they didnt feel there was any real risk of her being snatched ?
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Then they are stupid. And there is also the risk of a medical emergency. The kid waking up and wondering off and drowning in the pool, or getting run over on the road etc.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 seconds ago
Everyone understands it

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You don’t. Your comments have made that perfectly clear.

The fact that you have insulted actual parents because they don’t subscribe to your views beggars belief.
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You’re clinging onto this ‘you have to be a parent to understand it’ thing like a lifejacket in an open ocean

So do you speak for all parents when making the claims you are making? Spoiler alert, you’re not. You’re not even a real parent yourself. So you’re hardly qualifying for your own standards of debate

Indeed - how would VC like it if someone told him he couldn’t debate a Black lives matter debate because he’s not black

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I haven’t told you that you can’t debate the subject.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 30 seconds ago
Winston are you a parent?
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Yes mate
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Can you explain empathy to Vidic guy? Me and robb not allowed

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
If George Floyd had not used a fake bank note/cheque then he would not have been killed.

You are blaming George Floyd's relatively minor mistake for his own death.

It is exactly the same idea.
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Great point. Be interesting to see how he wriggles out of this.
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Its not a great point at all. As again, there are two actions. Floyd was wrong for passing fake tender. The cop was wrong for murdering him. Floyd certainly didn't deserve to die, but if he hadn't broken the law, he wouldn't have been arrested (and then murdered).
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It's also not a great point as, at the very worst, the only person George Floyd was putting in danger was himself.

Also, and I feel I have to say this, you don't have to be a parent (like I'm not) to realise the McCanns made an error of judgement. If being parents makes you more protective then their failure is brought into even sharper focus.

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 30 seconds ago
Winston are you a parent?
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Yes mate
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Can you explain empathy to Vidic guy? Me and robb not allowed
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He's filtered to me - waste of time trying to reason with him.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Like telling people that they aren't intelligent enough to be involved in the conversation?
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If you want to compare two very different threads and two very different exchanges then be my guest.

Feel free to keep it civil and actually reply to my response to you, plus the article I posted.
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I was talking about this thread. You said it to another poster earlier on.

You’re clinging onto this ‘you have to be a parent to understand it’ thing

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It is 100% apparent in your case.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Like telling people that they aren't intelligent enough to be involved in the conversation?
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If you want to compare two very different threads and two very different exchanges then be my guest.

Feel free to keep it civil and actually reply to my response to you, plus the article I posted.
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I was talking about this thread. You said it to another poster earlier on.
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Did I?

Don't remember the context.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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50 metres as the crow flies. 80m to walk back via the paths. With the steps, I guess you are looking at about 90 seconds to get back to the room. Much too far. When my youngest (5) is playing out on the street I am nervous if I can't cover the ground between us in a few seconds.
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You let your 5 year old play about on the street. So, would you deserve everything you got if he was (god forbid) snatched?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 30 seconds ago
Winston are you a parent?
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Yes mate
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Can you explain empathy to Vidic guy? Me and robb not allowed
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He's filtered to me - waste of time trying to reason with him.
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But you are a parent so have the same views as him

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 38 seconds ago
You’re clinging onto this ‘you have to be a parent to understand it’ thing

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It is 100% apparent in your case.
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I trust you’re not allowed to have an opinion on Black Lives matter because you’re not black. I’ll hold you to that 👍

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)

Sorry mate, but your 'funny feeling' about people you have seen on the telly is really not any form of credible basis.
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I know. I was just clarifying the earlier point, which I think you had misunderstood.

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 30 seconds ago
Winston are you a parent?
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Yes mate
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Can you explain empathy to Vidic guy? Me and robb not allowed
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He's filtered to me - waste of time trying to reason with him.
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But you are a parent so have the same views as him
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He's filtered to me - waste of time trying to reason with him.

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I think you will find it is you who has filtered me Winston.

I haven’t filtered you.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)

Sorry mate, but your 'funny feeling' about people you have seen on the telly is really not any form of credible basis.
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I know. I was just clarifying the earlier point, which I think you had misunderstood.
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I hadn't! I just couldn't believe you felt that was relevant tbh.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 8 minutes ago
Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)

I didn't say it was comparable.

The point I'm getting at is that things have changed. People's perceptions of danger have changed - not least because of cases exactly like this.

I'm not defending the parents but I am saying we should be careful about retrospectively judging their assessment of risk to harshly.

I didn't see your reply, no, sorry.
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The point I made about Huntley earlier wasn't that I thought he was guilty after it became apparent that he was a suspect. Huntley was actually on TV being interviewed whilst the police were still searching for the girls. And it was then that I thought that it was him.

I had the same feeling with Shannon Briggs' mum and my dad pointed the finger at the bloke that burnt his house down and killed all his kids when he was on TV too.
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Assessment of risk? Were talking about under 4 year olds. Kids like that are more likely to fall out the window. The risk of leaving 5 year olds unattended has not increased IMO. Anything could have happened. On this occasion it was a kidnapping but leaving 4 year olds unattended is a joke no matter how you look at it because they could even choke on a toy, no?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Like telling people that they aren't intelligent enough to be involved in the conversation?
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If you want to compare two very different threads and two very different exchanges then be my guest.

Feel free to keep it civil and actually reply to my response to you, plus the article I posted.
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I was talking about this thread. You said it to another poster earlier on.
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Did I?

Don't remember the context.
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Convenient.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Like telling people that they aren't intelligent enough to be involved in the conversation?
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If you want to compare two very different threads and two very different exchanges then be my guest.

Feel free to keep it civil and actually reply to my response to you, plus the article I posted.
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I was talking about this thread. You said it to another poster earlier on.
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Did I?

Don't remember the context.
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Convenient.
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Grow up.

comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Why do you speed when you know you could kill someone's child? Some parents you guys are.
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not this sh iitt again
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Yup. Guy went through our village back home (30mph limit) He was doing about 40mph and knocked my friend's brother off his bike and killed him. Had he been going within the speed limit then it is likely that he would have survived.

He knew the speed limit. He must have known why there is a speed limit. You guys who do the same also know. But this time he hit a kid and due to his speed, the kid died.

It is still difficult not to have some sympathy for the driver though.

.....Waits for kid to be blamed.
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Sorry to hear that

Think you could do a separate thread on speeding as it's not comparable to leaving young children alone in foreign countries to fend for themselves whilst you go on a bender miles and miles away
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Fend for themselves They didnt drop them in the hills and say see you in a few days mate.

I trust you’re not allowed to have an opinion on Black Lives matter because you’re not black.

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Why would you trust that? Very odd. Especially as my Mrs and I went out on a march of support for them a few nights ago. We luckily left before the CS gas started.