comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 seconds ago
I trust you’re not allowed to have an opinion on Black Lives matter because you’re not black.

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Why would you trust that? Very odd. Especially as my Mrs and I went out on a march of support for them a few nights ago. We luckily left before the CS gas started.
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You’re not black though so you wouldn’t understand

comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 seconds ago
I trust you’re not allowed to have an opinion on Black Lives matter because you’re not black.

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Why would you trust that? Very odd. Especially as my Mrs and I went out on a march of support for them a few nights ago. We luckily left before the CS gas started.
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You’re not black though so you wouldn’t understand
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What wouldn’t I understand?

comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 seconds ago
I trust you’re not allowed to have an opinion on Black Lives matter because you’re not black.

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Why would you trust that? Very odd. Especially as my Mrs and I went out on a march of support for them a few nights ago. We luckily left before the CS gas started.
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You’re not black though so you wouldn’t understand
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I don't think he does understand, but he has a missus, it's about keeping her happy. You'd have to have a missus to understand that.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I trust you’re not allowed to have an opinion on Black Lives matter because you’re not black.

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Why would you trust that? Very odd. Especially as my Mrs and I went out on a march of support for them a few nights ago. We luckily left before the CS gas started.
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Stay safe ✌

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 13 seconds ago
I trust you’re not allowed to have an opinion on Black Lives matter because you’re not black.

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Why would you trust that? Very odd. Especially as my Mrs and I went out on a march of support for them a few nights ago. We luckily left before the CS gas started.
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You’re not black though so you wouldn’t understand
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What wouldn’t I understand?
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Dig deep within your own box of standards in which to judge people and get back to me

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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50 metres as the crow flies. 80m to walk back via the paths. With the steps, I guess you are looking at about 90 seconds to get back to the room. Much too far. When my youngest (5) is playing out on the street I am nervous if I can't cover the ground between us in a few seconds.
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You let your 5 year old play about on the street. So, would you deserve everything you got if he was (god forbid) snatched?
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I let her play on the street (by which I mean pavement) whilst I am standing no more than a few metres from here. She has also learnt to ride her bike in the last few weeks and she does ride on the road and I am even closer to her when she does this. I live on a quiet cul de sac in a rural town. How exactly do you think she is getting snatched in that situation? Also, how do you think it is even comparable to leaving your child in a hotel room in a foreign country about 80 metres from where you are eating and drinking?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)

Sorry mate, but your 'funny feeling' about people you have seen on the telly is really not any form of credible basis.
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I know. I was just clarifying the earlier point, which I think you had misunderstood.
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I hadn't! I just couldn't believe you felt that was relevant tbh.
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It was relevant to the comment I replied to.

Dig deep within your own box of standards in which to judge people and get back to me

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Yet again you can’t answer the question. So another avenue of spin has been closed down to you.

This is so easy.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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50 metres as the crow flies. 80m to walk back via the paths. With the steps, I guess you are looking at about 90 seconds to get back to the room. Much too far. When my youngest (5) is playing out on the street I am nervous if I can't cover the ground between us in a few seconds.
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You let your 5 year old play about on the street. So, would you deserve everything you got if he was (god forbid) snatched?
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I let her play on the street (by which I mean pavement) whilst I am standing no more than a few metres from here. She has also learnt to ride her bike in the last few weeks and she does ride on the road and I am even closer to her when she does this. I live on a quiet cul de sac in a rural town. How exactly do you think she is getting snatched in that situation? Also, how do you think it is even comparable to leaving your child in a hotel room in a foreign country about 80 metres from where you are eating and drinking?

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Let’s just say a parent in a medium sized town let’s a, say, 7/8 year old cycle off to a park or forest and that kid gets taken by an opportunistic paedophile - do you give the parents of that kid the same grief the McCanns are getting?

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Dig deep within your own box of standards in which to judge people and get back to me

....

Yet again you can’t answer the question. So another avenue of spin has been closed down to you.

This is so easy.
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Really? Because you are the one spinning. Saying that others have to belong to one category to ‘get it’ yet you feel qualified to talk about Black lives matter without being black.

You’ve backed yourself into a corner and have failed. Well done.

I find it disappointing that not one person on here who has been quick to condemn the McCanns for their actions - in some cases suggesting that they should have their other two children taken from them and put into care - can not even acknolwedge that there may have been some change in how parents view risk between 2007 and now.

Even if you still feel strongly, is it really so difficult to accept that maybe, just maybe, you're using 2020 risk assessment to retrospectively judge a situation that existed in a different world to the one we're now in?

I go back to the listening service and this article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/family-holidays/was-I-wrong-to-leave-my-baby-sleeping-in-a-hotel-room/

There are things that I would not do, which my parents had absolutely no concerns about doing.

Why?

Because the risk of these things is now perceived to be higher, in part because of cases like this.

How sad that we cannot discuss this and look for why it happened, why people may disagree.

If the McCanns are completely innocent of being involved then we all should be able to stop and think about why they did what they did and how they must feel about it now.

But then all of that said, this is JA606. Binary, entrenched positions are what it is all about I suppose.

mollycoddle your kid too much and it'll be them that turns out to be the murderer once they snap

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Are you new to ja606?

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 0 seconds ago
mollycoddle your kid too much and it'll be them that turns out to be the murderer once they snap
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You'd only understand if you were a murderer

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Are you new to ja606?
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comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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50 metres as the crow flies. 80m to walk back via the paths. With the steps, I guess you are looking at about 90 seconds to get back to the room. Much too far. When my youngest (5) is playing out on the street I am nervous if I can't cover the ground between us in a few seconds.
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You let your 5 year old play about on the street. So, would you deserve everything you got if he was (god forbid) snatched?
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I let her play on the street (by which I mean pavement) whilst I am standing no more than a few metres from here. She has also learnt to ride her bike in the last few weeks and she does ride on the road and I am even closer to her when she does this. I live on a quiet cul de sac in a rural town. How exactly do you think she is getting snatched in that situation? Also, how do you think it is even comparable to leaving your child in a hotel room in a foreign country about 80 metres from where you are eating and drinking?

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Let’s just say a parent in a medium sized town let’s a, say, 7/8 year old cycle off to a park or forest and that kid gets taken by an opportunistic paedophile - do you give the parents of that kid the same grief the McCanns are getting?
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If the parents made a decision to let them ride off then yes.

Let’s just say a parent in a medium sized town let’s a, say, 7/8 year old cycle off to a park or forest and that kid gets taken by an opportunistic paedophile - do you give the parents of that kid the same grief the McCanns are getting?
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I may be charged with hypocrisy but I do think that's different. The 7/8 year old is a bit more mature than a 3yo and a couple of 2yo and would be capable of taking on board some imstructions such as 'dont' talk with strangers' and 'scream if someone grabs you'. I know I was told similar when I was a kid.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)

Sorry mate, but your 'funny feeling' about people you have seen on the telly is really not any form of credible basis.
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I know. I was just clarifying the earlier point, which I think you had misunderstood.
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I hadn't! I just couldn't believe you felt that was relevant tbh.
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It was relevant to the comment I replied to.
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Rob was mocking the idea that you can tell by looking at them, and you decided to counter that by saying you could tell by looking at Huntley.

Sorry, but it's laughable.

You can't tell just by looking at someone. You got lucky.

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Are you new to ja606?
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Hey, I'm far from perfect, but this discussion... well, I'd hoped it could be a bit more sensitive.

dont really understand the argument.

how can you truly understand the trials and tribulations of a black man if you arent black... you cant.

the same as you cant have a true understanding if you arent a parent.

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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50 metres as the crow flies. 80m to walk back via the paths. With the steps, I guess you are looking at about 90 seconds to get back to the room. Much too far. When my youngest (5) is playing out on the street I am nervous if I can't cover the ground between us in a few seconds.
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You let your 5 year old play about on the street. So, would you deserve everything you got if he was (god forbid) snatched?
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I let her play on the street (by which I mean pavement) whilst I am standing no more than a few metres from here. She has also learnt to ride her bike in the last few weeks and she does ride on the road and I am even closer to her when she does this. I live on a quiet cul de sac in a rural town. How exactly do you think she is getting snatched in that situation? Also, how do you think it is even comparable to leaving your child in a hotel room in a foreign country about 80 metres from where you are eating and drinking?

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Let’s just say a parent in a medium sized town let’s a, say, 7/8 year old cycle off to a park or forest and that kid gets taken by an opportunistic paedophile - do you give the parents of that kid the same grief the McCanns are getting?
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If the parents made a decision to let them ride off then yes.
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Because myself and pretty much all my friends used to ride off as 8 year olds all over the town. It’s a common thing - or at least it used to be. Now, that doesn’t mean that what the McCanns did was right - it was wrong. But only the very paranoid (like the ones lampooned in the brilliant Brass Eye) think there are paedos lurking in every corner.

The mccanns made a terrible mistake. But surely they can be forgiven by the more reasonable of society if it turns out this paedo burglar is guilty?

comment by Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
posted 23 seconds ago
Let’s just say a parent in a medium sized town let’s a, say, 7/8 year old cycle off to a park or forest and that kid gets taken by an opportunistic paedophile - do you give the parents of that kid the same grief the McCanns are getting?
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I may be charged with hypocrisy but I do think that's different. The 7/8 year old is a bit more mature than a 3yo and a couple of 2yo and would be capable of taking on board some imstructions such as 'dont' talk with strangers' and 'scream if someone grabs you'. I know I was told similar when I was a kid.
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Bit irresponsible to put the responsibility on the 7 year old child not to get murdered. Although I am not a parent so it may be responsible.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 minutes ago
Rather than this be an argument and pointscoring about who is more qualified to judge, how about we keep it civil, exchange opinion and try to understand each other's view?
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Are you new to ja606?
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Hey, I'm far from perfect, but this discussion... well, I'd hoped it could be a bit more sensitive.
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Winston I am purely trying to lighten the mood

Really? Because you are the one spinning.

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I never bought Black Lives matter or Speeding cars into the equation.

My stance is that the McCanns at the very least are guilty of child neglect. And I feel no sympathy for them.

I do for poor little Maddie.

how can you truly understand the trials and tribulations of a black man if you arent black... you cant.

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How do you know he isn’t black?