comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
Robb & Winston
I direct this to all but name you both as you are the most recently involved in this entire discussion and I firmly believe that you do appreciate such discussions and hope that you respect others’ opinions.
Regardless of what you might think of my opinions, I can promise you I am reasonable person and I do listen and I truly enjoy hearing other people’s points of view, as long as it consists of more than ‘you don’t get it’ et cetera.
My question is if you have watched the video that pek posted from Jordan Peterson and if not whether you would be willing to or not? I am completely willing to watch any video that you may think I would benefit from watching.
Here is the link for ease:
https://youtu.be/sSDClxjcR-4
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Did they even reply?
I watched it. I've heard him say much of this in other videos, but always enjoy it when someone can analyse something academically. It beats all that wishy-washy stuff we constantly hear.
Also watched that other link you posted, and came across this one in the recommendations which I think is more relevant as it's about police brutality:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1C2HrbQTzwk
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I’m afraid not
Watching this other one now.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
when TOOR is backing you up you know you're on the unintelligent side of the debate
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Nah you’re just a diiickhead, I remember you made the topic where you thought that the Coronavirus is some sort of conspiracy and the normal flu kills more people.
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As I said, the most stupid person I've ever come across. You can't argue with stupidity on that level.
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that made me laugh out loud, I actually put you beneath robbing on the intellect level and that really is saying something.
cant see the forest through the trees this one
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
It's insane how little so many British people knkw about their history especially the history of the Empire, its not thought in schools though so understandable.
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Indeed we’re not taught anything about colonialism at school. It’s all Stone Age, Bronze Age, Gold Age, King Harald, Tudors, Henry Xiii, WWI & WW2
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Well, I did Gandhi at school, so the British Empire isn't totally blanked out - and that was back in the early 90s. I agree that British imperial history should be taught in schools. As a former English teacher, I can say that a lot has been done there, at least, to promote "non-Western" voices and perspectives.
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That's good to hear, its needed in a country that has a massive population of ethnic minorities who are in the UK because of colonialism.
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strange generalization
the folks from the Caribbean arrived to take up menial labor jobs that our working class couldn't be bothered to do until the industries got smashed by thatcher and we became a services economy
Poles arrived mainly during or after the war from fear of communism
most Indians arrived after they gained independence
most Bangladeshis arrived after they too formed a nation to escape persecution from Pakistan and poverty
Most Pakistanis arrived after the partition due to lax immigration laws owing to them being part of the commonwealth of nations.
look at the racial make up of the country both during and after our colonialism. People came to the UK for a better standard of living and due to lax immigration laws not because we were currently ruling their country.
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Nope, you throw away "gained independence" like it means little FFS.
The vast majority of ethnic minorities in the UK are there due to their home nations being colonised, France is the same especially with Africans.
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No he didn't throw it away. Most immigrants have arrived after their independence. And we often agreed to independence with war, unlike France.
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Again gained independence, from fecking who? And how was it done? Why was it necessary in the first place etc.?
Brittan were beaten out of multiple nations they illegally colonised and now expect everyone to just say ah it's grand.
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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Truth hurts mate, read up on some history like good lad.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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Truth hurts mate, read up on some history like good lad.
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Sure but we had tried to close this one mate as it will go on for years. 700+ comments is enough 😂 let’s enjoy a beer that isn’t Fosters
Sat Nav, sorry missed your post earlier.
I’ll start by repeating myself - I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your intentions. I’ll also apologise for lowering the tone. This is a sensitive subject but I shouldn’t have done.
But I’m not seeing a great deal of humility from you. Your comment about institutional racism having to involve discriminatory laws is simply incorrect. And being quick to bring up the fact that white people experience racism as well is, I’m afraid, not likely to be well received.
Onto your video... have watched 10 mins so far. What are you trying to prove?
This guy seems to believe that striving for equality is the same as striving for communism. He’s basically presenting an argument for a capitalist society... but I’ve not argued against that.
I’m sorry, but debating whether the UK has systemic racism issues is not the same as arguing against capitalism.
I found his comments bizarre.
Inequality isn’t fair pay for the work you do. It’s not being rewarded because you’ve performed better than your counterparts.
A bizarre standpoint.
Anyway it's pointless trying to debate this until folk actually learn about it.
Here's a good starting point, two famines in India and Ireland.
Like in. 1847 when literally tons of food was taken from Irish towns and shipped to the UK while the people who grew it were starving to death. Or the two million people in Bengali who starved to death having been described as basically sub human by Churchill.
This is the history you either choose to ignore or are ignorant of, this is what people are angry about, its the same root cause in the America as it is with POC in Europe.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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Truth hurts mate, read up on some history like good lad.
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Sure but we had tried to close this one mate as it will go on for years. 700+ comments is enough 😂 let’s enjoy a beer that isn’t Fosters
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Its the sheer lack of empathy that's frustrating mate, or lack of knowledge.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 seconds ago
Sat Nav, sorry missed your post earlier.
I’ll start by repeating myself - I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your intentions. I’ll also apologise for lowering the tone. This is a sensitive subject but I shouldn’t have done.
But I’m not seeing a great deal of humility from you. Your comment about institutional racism having to involve discriminatory laws is simply incorrect. And being quick to bring up the fact that white people experience racism as well is, I’m afraid, not likely to be well received.
Onto your video... have watched 10 mins so far. What are you trying to prove?
This guy seems to believe that striving for equality is the same as striving for communism. He’s basically presenting an argument for a capitalist society... but I’ve not argued against that.
I’m sorry, but debating whether the UK has systemic racism issues is not the same as arguing against capitalism.
I found his comments bizarre.
Inequality isn’t fair pay for the work you do. It’s not being rewarded because you’ve performed better than your counterparts.
A bizarre standpoint.
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We’re having beers now Winston
Thanks for the reply but let’s leave it.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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Truth hurts mate, read up on some history like good lad.
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Sure but we had tried to close this one mate as it will go on for years. 700+ comments is enough 😂 let’s enjoy a beer that isn’t Fosters
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Its the sheer lack of empathy that's frustrating mate, or lack of knowledge.
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Get it completely, it’s a very sensitive topic, all of this is.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 6 minutes ago
Anyway it's pointless trying to debate this until folk actually learn about it.
Here's a good starting point, two famines in India and Ireland.
Like in. 1847 when literally tons of food was taken from Irish towns and shipped to the UK while the people who grew it were starving to death. Or the two million people in Bengali who starved to death having been described as basically sub human by Churchill.
This is the history you either choose to ignore or are ignorant of, this is what people are angry about, its the same root cause in the America as it is with POC in Europe.
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right so what's your MO here
what do you and the rest of your ilk want? or do you just want to sit here and bash your country, trash its heroes, burn its flags, remove the police force?
what exactly do you soapbox preachers actually want?
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 6 minutes ago
Anyway it's pointless trying to debate this until folk actually learn about it.
Here's a good starting point, two famines in India and Ireland.
Like in. 1847 when literally tons of food was taken from Irish towns and shipped to the UK while the people who grew it were starving to death. Or the two million people in Bengali who starved to death having been described as basically sub human by Churchill.
This is the history you either choose to ignore or are ignorant of, this is what people are angry about, its the same root cause in the America as it is with POC in Europe.
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right so what's your MO here
what do you and the rest of your ilk want? or do you just want to sit here and bash your country, trash its heroes, burn its flags, remove the police force?
what exactly do you soapbox preachers actually want?
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I'm not British mate, I've plenty of issues with British imperialism being Irish.
Why most people want is acknowledgement of why these protests are happening and are necessary. Not much to ask.
Accept that current Western society is built off the back of colonisation and slavery, understand this is how the powerful became powerful and how the systems they built are designed to keep the creators in power and the subjugated down.
This is what BLM means, how centuries of being treated like second class citizens has led to a society that is not balanced. Its getting better, but with this improvement it means more POC are much better educated and are now starting to have the ability to properly stand up for themselves.
Really though it's empathy they want. For people to listen to them and not to get so defensive when challenged with the reality of the life POC live. Basically don't go mental if a statue is defaced, better listen and try to understand why people feel the desire to do it.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 seconds ago
Sat Nav, sorry missed your post earlier.
I’ll start by repeating myself - I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your intentions. I’ll also apologise for lowering the tone. This is a sensitive subject but I shouldn’t have done.
But I’m not seeing a great deal of humility from you. Your comment about institutional racism having to involve discriminatory laws is simply incorrect. And being quick to bring up the fact that white people experience racism as well is, I’m afraid, not likely to be well received.
Onto your video... have watched 10 mins so far. What are you trying to prove?
This guy seems to believe that striving for equality is the same as striving for communism. He’s basically presenting an argument for a capitalist society... but I’ve not argued against that.
I’m sorry, but debating whether the UK has systemic racism issues is not the same as arguing against capitalism.
I found his comments bizarre.
Inequality isn’t fair pay for the work you do. It’s not being rewarded because you’ve performed better than your counterparts.
A bizarre standpoint.
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We’re having beers now Winston
Thanks for the reply but let’s leave it.
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Fair enough. Anytime you feel like explaining it then you’d be welcome.
I’d also encourage you to read a bit more about systemic racism and how it can be visualised when you know what you’re looking for.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
Accept that current Western society is built off the back of colonisation and slavery, understand this is how the powerful became powerful and how the systems they built are designed to keep the creators in power and the subjugated down.
This is what BLM means, how centuries of being treated like second class citizens has led to a society that is not balanced. Its getting better, but with this improvement it means more POC are much better educated and are now starting to have the ability to properly stand up for themselves.
Really though it's empathy they want. For people to listen to them and not to get so defensive when challenged with the reality of the life POC live. Basically don't go mental if a statue is defaced, better listen and try to understand why people feel the desire to do it.
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ok listened now what?
the stats don't back up the "feeling" of persecution these people have
most of these riots are attended by people deliberately set on their own agenda
Even the protestors who are 'fighting' for equality don't actually want equality they have some distorted view of what that is
take this
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501530-protestors-boo-chant-go-home-jacob-after-minneapolis-mayor-says-he
an unbelievably liberal mayor, walking with them, who has been beyond patient with their antics, because he refused to agree that the police force should be removed from he city in its entirety they turn on him.
same old same with liberal lefties, if you don't agree with them then you are the enemy. your point of view doesn't matter.
this is why they fail. they get there little uprising every now and again then we go back to good old reality and move on with our lives.
"defend the police" pull the other one. most of these idiots live in neighborhoods already over run with gang and drug problems, imagine if there was no police?
they'd be protesting that then, cant win.
give them their 5 mins of fame blow off some steam, back to work tomorrow. idiots.
I'm not British mate, I've plenty of issues with British imperialism being Irish.
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What are you 150? It is like the Jocks hating the English. All based on something that happened 500 years ago. Talk about holding a grudge.
let me ask you a serious question carra
if racism is truly systemic then one would rightfully assume every non-white ethnic group would suffer because racists usually despise anyone who isn't "their own"
but if that is the case, why do many other ethnic groups prosper?
why do people from India and the Far East come here and take full advantage of our opportunities and thrive but other ethnic groups continue to live below the bread line.
At some point can we ask the question? why certain thnicities are 2.5x more likely to come from broken homes, which countless studies have shown has a significant impact on the Childs outcome.
Why certain groups have their hand out constantly, feel persecuted even when there is little supporting evidence aside from blown up media portrayals?
you yourself are Irish, in Europe you were amongst the most persecuted and loathed and yet today would be laughed at by any ethnic group if you tried to say anything about your persecution as you are now just coupled in with us whites.
there are no doubt racist influences in every corner of society but to assume there is systemic racism in the UK when other hard working ethnic groups prosper given the same opportunities is just a sad indictment of a peoples who don't want to look inward at why they are where they are.
its always someone else's fault
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 4 hours ago
It’s actually brewed in Manchester
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Good grief, the home of Holts beer
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posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
It's insane how little so many British people knkw about their history especially the history of the Empire, its not thought in schools though so understandable.
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Indeed we’re not taught anything about colonialism at school. It’s all Stone Age, Bronze Age, Gold Age, King Harald, Tudors, Henry Xiii, WWI & WW2
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Well, I did Gandhi at school, so the British Empire isn't totally blanked out - and that was back in the early 90s. I agree that British imperial history should be taught in schools. As a former English teacher, I can say that a lot has been done there, at least, to promote "non-Western" voices and perspectives.
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That's good to hear, its needed in a country that has a massive population of ethnic minorities who are in the UK because of colonialism.
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strange generalization
the folks from the Caribbean arrived to take up menial labor jobs that our working class couldn't be bothered to do until the industries got smashed by thatcher and we became a services economy
Poles arrived mainly during or after the war from fear of communism
most Indians arrived after they gained independence
most Bangladeshis arrived after they too formed a nation to escape persecution from Pakistan and poverty
Most Pakistanis arrived after the partition due to lax immigration laws owing to them being part of the commonwealth of nations.
look at the racial make up of the country both during and after our colonialism. People came to the UK for a better standard of living and due to lax immigration laws not because we were currently ruling their country.
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Nope, you throw away "gained independence" like it means little FFS.
The vast majority of ethnic minorities in the UK are there due to their home nations being colonised, France is the same especially with Africans.
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No he didn't throw it away. Most immigrants have arrived after their independence. And we often agreed to independence with war, unlike France.
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Again gained independence, from fecking who? And how was it done? Why was it necessary in the first place etc.?
Brittan were beaten out of multiple nations they illegally colonised and now expect everyone to just say ah it's grand.
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I'm not saying it's grand. I was reply to a specific point, when there was most immigration from colonised countries, and most was after independence. A lot, but not all colonisation was done with a good heart, we could make the peoples lives better. But a lot wanted to enrich themselves.
But how long after an event do we have to have angst.
Second w w.
First w w
American independence
Colonial independence
Aquitaine
Vikings
Saxons
Romans
Neanderthals
I know I'm being facetious but lines have to be drawn somewhere, wrongs can't be righted for ever..
this is why they fail. they get there little uprising every now and again then we go back to good old reality and move on with our lives
Civil rights movement in the 60s in America? Pretty sure they dramatically changed America.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
It's insane how little so many British people knkw about their history especially the history of the Empire, its not thought in schools though so understandable.
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Indeed we’re not taught anything about colonialism at school. It’s all Stone Age, Bronze Age, Gold Age, King Harald, Tudors, Henry Xiii, WWI & WW2
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Well, I did Gandhi at school, so the British Empire isn't totally blanked out - and that was back in the early 90s. I agree that British imperial history should be taught in schools. As a former English teacher, I can say that a lot has been done there, at least, to promote "non-Western" voices and perspectives.
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That's good to hear, its needed in a country that has a massive population of ethnic minorities who are in the UK because of colonialism.
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strange generalization
the folks from the Caribbean arrived to take up menial labor jobs that our working class couldn't be bothered to do until the industries got smashed by thatcher and we became a services economy
Poles arrived mainly during or after the war from fear of communism
most Indians arrived after they gained independence
most Bangladeshis arrived after they too formed a nation to escape persecution from Pakistan and poverty
Most Pakistanis arrived after the partition due to lax immigration laws owing to them being part of the commonwealth of nations.
look at the racial make up of the country both during and after our colonialism. People came to the UK for a better standard of living and due to lax immigration laws not because we were currently ruling their country.
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Nope, you throw away "gained independence" like it means little FFS.
The vast majority of ethnic minorities in the UK are there due to their home nations being colonised, France is the same especially with Africans.
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No he didn't throw it away. Most immigrants have arrived after their independence. And we often agreed to independence with war, unlike France.
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Again gained independence, from fecking who? And how was it done? Why was it necessary in the first place etc.?
Brittan were beaten out of multiple nations they illegally colonised and now expect everyone to just say ah it's grand.
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I'm not saying it's grand. I was reply to a specific point, when there was most immigration from colonised countries, and most was after independence. A lot, but not all colonisation was done with a good heart, we could make the peoples lives better. But a lot wanted to enrich themselves.
But how long after an event do we have to have angst.
Second w w.
First w w
American independence
Colonial independence
Aquitaine
Vikings
Saxons
Romans
Neanderthals
I know I'm being facetious but lines have to be drawn somewhere, wrongs can't be righted for ever..
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I think they should teach it 52, and teach it properly. That would go some way to acknowledging what happened? As it is it must be a bit of a slap in the face to anyone we’ve written out as being on the wrong side of history. For example what we were up to in Kenya in the 50s I only read about for the first time today... Proper education on the darker side of the Empire might go some way to quelling some of the more toxic nationalism we’ve got bubbling away at the moment too.
defend the police" pull the other one. most of these idiots live in neighborhoods already over run with gang and drug problems, imagine if there was no police?
Any insight into why these neighbourhoods exist?
Honedtly mate you're just showing a complete lack of historical knowledge.
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posted on 8/6/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
Robb & Winston
I direct this to all but name you both as you are the most recently involved in this entire discussion and I firmly believe that you do appreciate such discussions and hope that you respect others’ opinions.
Regardless of what you might think of my opinions, I can promise you I am reasonable person and I do listen and I truly enjoy hearing other people’s points of view, as long as it consists of more than ‘you don’t get it’ et cetera.
My question is if you have watched the video that pek posted from Jordan Peterson and if not whether you would be willing to or not? I am completely willing to watch any video that you may think I would benefit from watching.
Here is the link for ease:
https://youtu.be/sSDClxjcR-4
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Did they even reply?
I watched it. I've heard him say much of this in other videos, but always enjoy it when someone can analyse something academically. It beats all that wishy-washy stuff we constantly hear.
Also watched that other link you posted, and came across this one in the recommendations which I think is more relevant as it's about police brutality:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1C2HrbQTzwk
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I’m afraid not
Watching this other one now.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
when TOOR is backing you up you know you're on the unintelligent side of the debate
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Nah you’re just a diiickhead, I remember you made the topic where you thought that the Coronavirus is some sort of conspiracy and the normal flu kills more people.
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As I said, the most stupid person I've ever come across. You can't argue with stupidity on that level.
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that made me laugh out loud, I actually put you beneath robbing on the intellect level and that really is saying something.
cant see the forest through the trees this one
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
posted on 8/6/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
It's insane how little so many British people knkw about their history especially the history of the Empire, its not thought in schools though so understandable.
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Indeed we’re not taught anything about colonialism at school. It’s all Stone Age, Bronze Age, Gold Age, King Harald, Tudors, Henry Xiii, WWI & WW2
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Well, I did Gandhi at school, so the British Empire isn't totally blanked out - and that was back in the early 90s. I agree that British imperial history should be taught in schools. As a former English teacher, I can say that a lot has been done there, at least, to promote "non-Western" voices and perspectives.
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That's good to hear, its needed in a country that has a massive population of ethnic minorities who are in the UK because of colonialism.
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strange generalization
the folks from the Caribbean arrived to take up menial labor jobs that our working class couldn't be bothered to do until the industries got smashed by thatcher and we became a services economy
Poles arrived mainly during or after the war from fear of communism
most Indians arrived after they gained independence
most Bangladeshis arrived after they too formed a nation to escape persecution from Pakistan and poverty
Most Pakistanis arrived after the partition due to lax immigration laws owing to them being part of the commonwealth of nations.
look at the racial make up of the country both during and after our colonialism. People came to the UK for a better standard of living and due to lax immigration laws not because we were currently ruling their country.
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Nope, you throw away "gained independence" like it means little FFS.
The vast majority of ethnic minorities in the UK are there due to their home nations being colonised, France is the same especially with Africans.
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No he didn't throw it away. Most immigrants have arrived after their independence. And we often agreed to independence with war, unlike France.
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Again gained independence, from fecking who? And how was it done? Why was it necessary in the first place etc.?
Brittan were beaten out of multiple nations they illegally colonised and now expect everyone to just say ah it's grand.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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Truth hurts mate, read up on some history like good lad.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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Truth hurts mate, read up on some history like good lad.
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Sure but we had tried to close this one mate as it will go on for years. 700+ comments is enough 😂 let’s enjoy a beer that isn’t Fosters
posted on 8/6/20
Sat Nav, sorry missed your post earlier.
I’ll start by repeating myself - I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your intentions. I’ll also apologise for lowering the tone. This is a sensitive subject but I shouldn’t have done.
But I’m not seeing a great deal of humility from you. Your comment about institutional racism having to involve discriminatory laws is simply incorrect. And being quick to bring up the fact that white people experience racism as well is, I’m afraid, not likely to be well received.
Onto your video... have watched 10 mins so far. What are you trying to prove?
This guy seems to believe that striving for equality is the same as striving for communism. He’s basically presenting an argument for a capitalist society... but I’ve not argued against that.
I’m sorry, but debating whether the UK has systemic racism issues is not the same as arguing against capitalism.
I found his comments bizarre.
Inequality isn’t fair pay for the work you do. It’s not being rewarded because you’ve performed better than your counterparts.
A bizarre standpoint.
posted on 8/6/20
Anyway it's pointless trying to debate this until folk actually learn about it.
Here's a good starting point, two famines in India and Ireland.
Like in. 1847 when literally tons of food was taken from Irish towns and shipped to the UK while the people who grew it were starving to death. Or the two million people in Bengali who starved to death having been described as basically sub human by Churchill.
This is the history you either choose to ignore or are ignorant of, this is what people are angry about, its the same root cause in the America as it is with POC in Europe.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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Truth hurts mate, read up on some history like good lad.
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Sure but we had tried to close this one mate as it will go on for years. 700+ comments is enough 😂 let’s enjoy a beer that isn’t Fosters
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Its the sheer lack of empathy that's frustrating mate, or lack of knowledge.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 seconds ago
Sat Nav, sorry missed your post earlier.
I’ll start by repeating myself - I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your intentions. I’ll also apologise for lowering the tone. This is a sensitive subject but I shouldn’t have done.
But I’m not seeing a great deal of humility from you. Your comment about institutional racism having to involve discriminatory laws is simply incorrect. And being quick to bring up the fact that white people experience racism as well is, I’m afraid, not likely to be well received.
Onto your video... have watched 10 mins so far. What are you trying to prove?
This guy seems to believe that striving for equality is the same as striving for communism. He’s basically presenting an argument for a capitalist society... but I’ve not argued against that.
I’m sorry, but debating whether the UK has systemic racism issues is not the same as arguing against capitalism.
I found his comments bizarre.
Inequality isn’t fair pay for the work you do. It’s not being rewarded because you’ve performed better than your counterparts.
A bizarre standpoint.
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We’re having beers now Winston
Thanks for the reply but let’s leave it.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 26 minutes ago
Right, have we burnt all nations flags now given they have all committed varying degrees of atrocity?
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Yes I think we’re drinking beers now 🍻 🍺
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we were until kneegash and TOOpid turned up restarting it
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Truth hurts mate, read up on some history like good lad.
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Sure but we had tried to close this one mate as it will go on for years. 700+ comments is enough 😂 let’s enjoy a beer that isn’t Fosters
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Its the sheer lack of empathy that's frustrating mate, or lack of knowledge.
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Get it completely, it’s a very sensitive topic, all of this is.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 6 minutes ago
Anyway it's pointless trying to debate this until folk actually learn about it.
Here's a good starting point, two famines in India and Ireland.
Like in. 1847 when literally tons of food was taken from Irish towns and shipped to the UK while the people who grew it were starving to death. Or the two million people in Bengali who starved to death having been described as basically sub human by Churchill.
This is the history you either choose to ignore or are ignorant of, this is what people are angry about, its the same root cause in the America as it is with POC in Europe.
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right so what's your MO here
what do you and the rest of your ilk want? or do you just want to sit here and bash your country, trash its heroes, burn its flags, remove the police force?
what exactly do you soapbox preachers actually want?
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 6 minutes ago
Anyway it's pointless trying to debate this until folk actually learn about it.
Here's a good starting point, two famines in India and Ireland.
Like in. 1847 when literally tons of food was taken from Irish towns and shipped to the UK while the people who grew it were starving to death. Or the two million people in Bengali who starved to death having been described as basically sub human by Churchill.
This is the history you either choose to ignore or are ignorant of, this is what people are angry about, its the same root cause in the America as it is with POC in Europe.
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right so what's your MO here
what do you and the rest of your ilk want? or do you just want to sit here and bash your country, trash its heroes, burn its flags, remove the police force?
what exactly do you soapbox preachers actually want?
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I'm not British mate, I've plenty of issues with British imperialism being Irish.
Why most people want is acknowledgement of why these protests are happening and are necessary. Not much to ask.
posted on 8/6/20
Accept that current Western society is built off the back of colonisation and slavery, understand this is how the powerful became powerful and how the systems they built are designed to keep the creators in power and the subjugated down.
This is what BLM means, how centuries of being treated like second class citizens has led to a society that is not balanced. Its getting better, but with this improvement it means more POC are much better educated and are now starting to have the ability to properly stand up for themselves.
Really though it's empathy they want. For people to listen to them and not to get so defensive when challenged with the reality of the life POC live. Basically don't go mental if a statue is defaced, better listen and try to understand why people feel the desire to do it.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 seconds ago
Sat Nav, sorry missed your post earlier.
I’ll start by repeating myself - I will give you the benefit of the doubt with your intentions. I’ll also apologise for lowering the tone. This is a sensitive subject but I shouldn’t have done.
But I’m not seeing a great deal of humility from you. Your comment about institutional racism having to involve discriminatory laws is simply incorrect. And being quick to bring up the fact that white people experience racism as well is, I’m afraid, not likely to be well received.
Onto your video... have watched 10 mins so far. What are you trying to prove?
This guy seems to believe that striving for equality is the same as striving for communism. He’s basically presenting an argument for a capitalist society... but I’ve not argued against that.
I’m sorry, but debating whether the UK has systemic racism issues is not the same as arguing against capitalism.
I found his comments bizarre.
Inequality isn’t fair pay for the work you do. It’s not being rewarded because you’ve performed better than your counterparts.
A bizarre standpoint.
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We’re having beers now Winston
Thanks for the reply but let’s leave it.
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Fair enough. Anytime you feel like explaining it then you’d be welcome.
I’d also encourage you to read a bit more about systemic racism and how it can be visualised when you know what you’re looking for.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 10 minutes ago
Accept that current Western society is built off the back of colonisation and slavery, understand this is how the powerful became powerful and how the systems they built are designed to keep the creators in power and the subjugated down.
This is what BLM means, how centuries of being treated like second class citizens has led to a society that is not balanced. Its getting better, but with this improvement it means more POC are much better educated and are now starting to have the ability to properly stand up for themselves.
Really though it's empathy they want. For people to listen to them and not to get so defensive when challenged with the reality of the life POC live. Basically don't go mental if a statue is defaced, better listen and try to understand why people feel the desire to do it.
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ok listened now what?
the stats don't back up the "feeling" of persecution these people have
most of these riots are attended by people deliberately set on their own agenda
Even the protestors who are 'fighting' for equality don't actually want equality they have some distorted view of what that is
take this
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/501530-protestors-boo-chant-go-home-jacob-after-minneapolis-mayor-says-he
an unbelievably liberal mayor, walking with them, who has been beyond patient with their antics, because he refused to agree that the police force should be removed from he city in its entirety they turn on him.
same old same with liberal lefties, if you don't agree with them then you are the enemy. your point of view doesn't matter.
this is why they fail. they get there little uprising every now and again then we go back to good old reality and move on with our lives.
"defend the police" pull the other one. most of these idiots live in neighborhoods already over run with gang and drug problems, imagine if there was no police?
they'd be protesting that then, cant win.
give them their 5 mins of fame blow off some steam, back to work tomorrow. idiots.
posted on 8/6/20
*defund
posted on 8/6/20
I'm not British mate, I've plenty of issues with British imperialism being Irish.
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What are you 150? It is like the Jocks hating the English. All based on something that happened 500 years ago. Talk about holding a grudge.
posted on 8/6/20
let me ask you a serious question carra
if racism is truly systemic then one would rightfully assume every non-white ethnic group would suffer because racists usually despise anyone who isn't "their own"
but if that is the case, why do many other ethnic groups prosper?
why do people from India and the Far East come here and take full advantage of our opportunities and thrive but other ethnic groups continue to live below the bread line.
At some point can we ask the question? why certain thnicities are 2.5x more likely to come from broken homes, which countless studies have shown has a significant impact on the Childs outcome.
Why certain groups have their hand out constantly, feel persecuted even when there is little supporting evidence aside from blown up media portrayals?
you yourself are Irish, in Europe you were amongst the most persecuted and loathed and yet today would be laughed at by any ethnic group if you tried to say anything about your persecution as you are now just coupled in with us whites.
there are no doubt racist influences in every corner of society but to assume there is systemic racism in the UK when other hard working ethnic groups prosper given the same opportunities is just a sad indictment of a peoples who don't want to look inward at why they are where they are.
its always someone else's fault
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 4 hours ago
It’s actually brewed in Manchester
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Good grief, the home of Holts beer
posted on 8/6/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
It's insane how little so many British people knkw about their history especially the history of the Empire, its not thought in schools though so understandable.
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Indeed we’re not taught anything about colonialism at school. It’s all Stone Age, Bronze Age, Gold Age, King Harald, Tudors, Henry Xiii, WWI & WW2
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Well, I did Gandhi at school, so the British Empire isn't totally blanked out - and that was back in the early 90s. I agree that British imperial history should be taught in schools. As a former English teacher, I can say that a lot has been done there, at least, to promote "non-Western" voices and perspectives.
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That's good to hear, its needed in a country that has a massive population of ethnic minorities who are in the UK because of colonialism.
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strange generalization
the folks from the Caribbean arrived to take up menial labor jobs that our working class couldn't be bothered to do until the industries got smashed by thatcher and we became a services economy
Poles arrived mainly during or after the war from fear of communism
most Indians arrived after they gained independence
most Bangladeshis arrived after they too formed a nation to escape persecution from Pakistan and poverty
Most Pakistanis arrived after the partition due to lax immigration laws owing to them being part of the commonwealth of nations.
look at the racial make up of the country both during and after our colonialism. People came to the UK for a better standard of living and due to lax immigration laws not because we were currently ruling their country.
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Nope, you throw away "gained independence" like it means little FFS.
The vast majority of ethnic minorities in the UK are there due to their home nations being colonised, France is the same especially with Africans.
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No he didn't throw it away. Most immigrants have arrived after their independence. And we often agreed to independence with war, unlike France.
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Again gained independence, from fecking who? And how was it done? Why was it necessary in the first place etc.?
Brittan were beaten out of multiple nations they illegally colonised and now expect everyone to just say ah it's grand.
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I'm not saying it's grand. I was reply to a specific point, when there was most immigration from colonised countries, and most was after independence. A lot, but not all colonisation was done with a good heart, we could make the peoples lives better. But a lot wanted to enrich themselves.
But how long after an event do we have to have angst.
Second w w.
First w w
American independence
Colonial independence
Aquitaine
Vikings
Saxons
Romans
Neanderthals
I know I'm being facetious but lines have to be drawn somewhere, wrongs can't be righted for ever..
posted on 8/6/20
this is why they fail. they get there little uprising every now and again then we go back to good old reality and move on with our lives
Civil rights movement in the 60s in America? Pretty sure they dramatically changed America.
posted on 8/6/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jim Lahey (U22183)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
It's insane how little so many British people knkw about their history especially the history of the Empire, its not thought in schools though so understandable.
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Indeed we’re not taught anything about colonialism at school. It’s all Stone Age, Bronze Age, Gold Age, King Harald, Tudors, Henry Xiii, WWI & WW2
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Well, I did Gandhi at school, so the British Empire isn't totally blanked out - and that was back in the early 90s. I agree that British imperial history should be taught in schools. As a former English teacher, I can say that a lot has been done there, at least, to promote "non-Western" voices and perspectives.
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That's good to hear, its needed in a country that has a massive population of ethnic minorities who are in the UK because of colonialism.
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strange generalization
the folks from the Caribbean arrived to take up menial labor jobs that our working class couldn't be bothered to do until the industries got smashed by thatcher and we became a services economy
Poles arrived mainly during or after the war from fear of communism
most Indians arrived after they gained independence
most Bangladeshis arrived after they too formed a nation to escape persecution from Pakistan and poverty
Most Pakistanis arrived after the partition due to lax immigration laws owing to them being part of the commonwealth of nations.
look at the racial make up of the country both during and after our colonialism. People came to the UK for a better standard of living and due to lax immigration laws not because we were currently ruling their country.
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Nope, you throw away "gained independence" like it means little FFS.
The vast majority of ethnic minorities in the UK are there due to their home nations being colonised, France is the same especially with Africans.
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No he didn't throw it away. Most immigrants have arrived after their independence. And we often agreed to independence with war, unlike France.
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Again gained independence, from fecking who? And how was it done? Why was it necessary in the first place etc.?
Brittan were beaten out of multiple nations they illegally colonised and now expect everyone to just say ah it's grand.
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I'm not saying it's grand. I was reply to a specific point, when there was most immigration from colonised countries, and most was after independence. A lot, but not all colonisation was done with a good heart, we could make the peoples lives better. But a lot wanted to enrich themselves.
But how long after an event do we have to have angst.
Second w w.
First w w
American independence
Colonial independence
Aquitaine
Vikings
Saxons
Romans
Neanderthals
I know I'm being facetious but lines have to be drawn somewhere, wrongs can't be righted for ever..
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I think they should teach it 52, and teach it properly. That would go some way to acknowledging what happened? As it is it must be a bit of a slap in the face to anyone we’ve written out as being on the wrong side of history. For example what we were up to in Kenya in the 50s I only read about for the first time today... Proper education on the darker side of the Empire might go some way to quelling some of the more toxic nationalism we’ve got bubbling away at the moment too.
posted on 8/6/20
defend the police" pull the other one. most of these idiots live in neighborhoods already over run with gang and drug problems, imagine if there was no police?
Any insight into why these neighbourhoods exist?
Honedtly mate you're just showing a complete lack of historical knowledge.
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