comment by Timothy (U14278)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 6 minutes ago
This might finish the filtering process.
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How?
Its actually positive racisim to claim black lives matter. Are you saying they matter more than white people?
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Someone’s insecure
Too many people seem to miss the point. There's lots of talk of equality, but equality only works with equity and the lack of equity has been a problem for POC for generations.
Simple analogy. You have three men, a very tall one, an average height, and a small man. There is a wall they all want to look over. Equality says give each man a box to stand on, but the tall man doesnt need a box to stand on to see over the wall, the average man needs one and the small man needs two. Equity means giving the small man two boxes and the tall man none, this results in equality as now all three men can see over the wall.
The lack of equity in society is the problem.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Too many people seem to miss the point. There's lots of talk of equality, but equality only works with equity and the lack of equity has been a problem for POC for generations.
Simple analogy. You have three men, a very tall one, an average height, and a small man. There is a wall they all want to look over. Equality says give each man a box to stand on, but the tall man doesnt need a box to stand on to see over the wall, the average man needs one and the small man needs two. Equity means giving the small man two boxes and the tall man none, this results in equality as now all three men can see over the wall.
The lack of equity in society is the problem.
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could just knock the wall doon. but i get the point
could just knock the wall doon.
That's anarchy I guess.
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 20 minutes ago
Nice bit of racism in the morning.
BLM is a thing because to many in positions of power black lives don't matter.
Alllivesmatter is a counter from the far right. A good one too because it sounds well meaning. It's not, if you use it you are either racist or ignorant. If the second then please educate yourself. Alllivesmatter don't matter until black lives do.
White lives matter? Well that's a new one. If you are promoting the majority race that holds all the wealth and power well that's also got a word. Supremacy
This isn't just an American problem which up until the past year I naively believed until I educated myself on the matter.
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No lives matter until black lives matter is gibberish.
White silence equals violence is racist and wring, as millions of white folk speak out, myself included.
Why raise black lives above Asian, Latino, Hispanic or white trash in America or here?
Why not raise up all lives and stop dividing on accidental courxat birth.
Class and poverty matter too.
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 seconds ago
You are correct, Fash but it is also correct to recognise that the rival protests are being hijacked by elements of the far left and right and also fuelled by a media gagging for something other than Covid portraying it as a battle between far left and right.
Then, of course, in Glasgow we have our own unique sub-text of neanderthals on both sides.
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I think more has been made of that than is accurate, the BLM protests were mainly a broader spectrum of protestors, i wouldn't deny some of those on the left caused problems but from what i seen on the TV it didnt look like much of that was ANTIFA. The right winger groups went for a pash up and to cause trouble not protect a statue that was already boarded up.
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Did you see random white guys battered in London last week, while out walking and presumed a football hooligan in a built up area?
Or black cops beaten by white BLM fanboys.
Or black cops killed by black looters and rioters after Floyd was killed.
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Whataboutery of the worst kind but i could play that game longer than you.
Do you remember the white cop kneeling on the black guys neck until he died?
Do you remember the white cop who shot an unarmed black woman in her house?
Do you remember the right wing guy being carried to safety on the shoulder of a black man? Do you know said white man was a Police man?
The whole point should be bad people are bad people regardless of the colour of their fooking skin you numpty.
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Totally agree with all of that.
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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White Girls groomed in England by mainly muslim men or married off to old guys in Africa.
Any views?
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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I watched that filthy rich on Netflix. Grim
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Watch Three Little Girls about muslim men raping, beating and drugging 12 year old white English girls.
Grimmer
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
You are correct, Fash but it is also correct to recognise that the rival protests are being hijacked by elements of the far left and right and also fuelled by a media gagging for something other than Covid portraying it as a battle between far left and right.
Then, of course, in Glasgow we have our own unique sub-text of neanderthals on both sides.
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Agreed.
Far left and right use this to recruit and stir it.
BLM are right calling for no black guys shot and equality and we all agree.
Now, it's turning into a hate white people and our history culture in UK or Europe or America.
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That's a bit simplistic in my opinion. I think its more do not celebrate the greatness of something built on the back of slavery, racism and exploitation. But inevitably it will cause problems as it can easily slide into a witch hunt finding evil everywhere. But for the most part it has simply challenged the idea that Britain and our history is great or even good.
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You mean they call it GREAT Britain when it is not great?
A bit like the UNITED Kingdom then?
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Wait til the Scots anthem, flag and history is targeted, lol
Even more.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
OP
Is this a wum or a call to have this conversation?
Critics of BLM argue it actually focuses on race and identity, over say class and poverty.
We all condemn the murder of Floyd by brutal cops.
Now, elements in the movement and far left seek to say every thing American, Scottish, British is racist and bad and a bit rubbish.
We just saw white guys murdered last weekend after white guys were attacked on their own in London the previous weekend.
White people get killed by cops and black racists, just as black people get killed by cops and white racists.
We have white girls groomed by Pakistani and north African men in England.
We have poor white trash in UK and America, who also get killed by UK cops.
Who speaks for them...if nobody does, the Far Right will.
Not sure why the EPL has to wear BLM tops and take the knee, after a shooting thousands of miles away either?
We can condemn police brutality and racism without jumping on a political far leftist and racialist bandwagon.
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Watch 13th on Netflix, or Kalief Browder Story or When They See Us... and then you'll understand why BLM.
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 20 minutes ago
Nice bit of racism in the morning.
BLM is a thing because to many in positions of power black lives don't matter.
Alllivesmatter is a counter from the far right. A good one too because it sounds well meaning. It's not, if you use it you are either racist or ignorant. If the second then please educate yourself. Alllivesmatter don't matter until black lives do.
White lives matter? Well that's a new one. If you are promoting the majority race that holds all the wealth and power well that's also got a word. Supremacy
This isn't just an American problem which up until the past year I naively believed until I educated myself on the matter.
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No lives matter until black lives matter is gibberish.
White silence equals violence is racist and wring, as millions of white folk speak out, myself included.
Why raise black lives above Asian, Latino, Hispanic or white trash in America or here?
Why not raise up all lives and stop dividing on accidental courxat birth.
Class and poverty matter too.
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Well if you were actually to talk to people from BAME minority groups then you would know that they fully support BLM and that people from Asain backgrounds while having experienced challenges themselves actually agree that the issues are far worse for black people.
Or have you heard something totally different than that from those groups?
Class and poverty do matter absolutely but if you are black you are far more likely to be affected by those problems and far less likely to be afforded the benefits.
If you are black and poor you will get less job opportunities. Also if you are black and wealthy you will get stopped by the police more often so even if we lived in a perfect class and wealth distribution utopia it wouldn't solve the racism issue.
That's the reason racism needs tackled first.
But then if you truly believe No lives matter until black lives matter is gibberish. Then there is probably no point in me saying any of that.
Chicago sees 600 black on black murders annually.
Asian Americans do not do this in White power America, but tend to just get on with life.
Explain why the difference.
Why do white trash as we lovingly call them, not murder in such numbers.
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
OP
Is this a wum or a call to have this conversation?
Critics of BLM argue it actually focuses on race and identity, over say class and poverty.
We all condemn the murder of Floyd by brutal cops.
Now, elements in the movement and far left seek to say every thing American, Scottish, British is racist and bad and a bit rubbish.
We just saw white guys murdered last weekend after white guys were attacked on their own in London the previous weekend.
White people get killed by cops and black racists, just as black people get killed by cops and white racists.
We have white girls groomed by Pakistani and north African men in England.
We have poor white trash in UK and America, who also get killed by UK cops.
Who speaks for them...if nobody does, the Far Right will.
Not sure why the EPL has to wear BLM tops and take the knee, after a shooting thousands of miles away either?
We can condemn police brutality and racism without jumping on a political far leftist and racialist bandwagon.
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Watch 13th on Netflix, or Kalief Browder Story or When They See Us... and then you'll understand why BLM.
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Understand BLM
Watch Reggie Yates in America after the Racist Roof church shootings where black people tell whites to Fook off from their protest, call white BBC crew pink pig eyes.
Google Nation of Islam or black power on white devils.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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White Girls groomed in England by mainly muslim men or married off to old guys in Africa.
Any views?
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Its called a crime, a horrific one that carries severe penalties. not sure your point. there are plenty of white people guilty of child abuse too. I will be honest i have never looked into the stats to see if its disproportionate based on population because well that would be crazy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443669/ESTHER-KRAKUE-dared-question-aims-Black-Lives-Matter.html?ito=facebook_share_article-top&fbclid=IwAR3ePrh6mJgTpwKljJ65abyDEsORKoSjaZmGSb6iCMi8kuoVgm9KYIQHaPA
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
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We should treat and view people equally, and I do.
I do not look down on a person based on skin.
That would be weird.
I disagree with the poltics of some in BLM and far left such as antifa.
That is not racist.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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I watched that filthy rich on Netflix. Grim
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Watch Three Little Girls about muslim men raping, beating and drugging 12 year old white English girls.
Grimmer
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Why is that grimmer?
Ah I see, because one involves Muslim or men of colour committing the crime.
Predictable as ever.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Chicago sees 600 black on black murders annually.
Asian Americans do not do this in White power America, but tend to just get on with life.
Explain why the difference.
Why do white trash as we lovingly call them, not murder in such numbers.
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Well asian americans were not part of the slave trade and are seen as a completely different class group. as i explained if you speake to asain groups they acknowledge the challenges they face are not on a scale with black poeple.
THey never faced the stigma black people do, they never had their neighborhoods red lined as they were allowed to live in the white ones.
Like you say class and wealth matter, black people have been historically denied access to it, asains have not.
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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White Girls groomed in England by mainly muslim men or married off to old guys in Africa.
Any views?
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Its called a crime, a horrific one that carries severe penalties. not sure your point. there are plenty of white people guilty of child abuse too. I will be honest i have never looked into the stats to see if its disproportionate based on population because well that would be crazy.
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Some may say they are looking for stats to hide racism behind.
Some may say these kind of statements with "facts" are the rhetoric behind the type of people you see in American History X.
People don't want to admit they are racist. They tend to say "I'm not racist BUT look at this example or these stats.
They don't look at socio-economic, they don't look at why crime is so high in areas and ask what can be done to help. They are too interested in using to justify being racist.
Don't like me saying that these people are the invisible racists then don't look for stats to back up an anti-black narrative
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
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We should treat and view people equally, and I do.
I do not look down on a person based on skin.
That would be weird.
I disagree with the poltics of some in BLM and far left such as antifa.
That is not racist.
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Next you’ll be telling us your wife is black and that’s why you can’t be racist.
No wait, you already used that with her being catholic.
Maybe she’s a black catholic?
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
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We should treat and view people equally, and I do.
I do not look down on a person based on skin.
That would be weird.
I disagree with the poltics of some in BLM and far left such as antifa.
That is not racist.
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Next you’ll be telling us your wife is black and that’s why you can’t be racist.
No wait, you already used that with her being catholic.
Maybe she’s a black catholic?
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and ginger haired
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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White Girls groomed in England by mainly muslim men or married off to old guys in Africa.
Any views?
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Its called a crime, a horrific one that carries severe penalties. not sure your point. there are plenty of white people guilty of child abuse too. I will be honest i have never looked into the stats to see if its disproportionate based on population because well that would be crazy.
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Point is, cops and social workers were scared to look after white girls as groomers were muslim Pakistani, so cops could be called racist.
On child brides in Africa and ME, there are thousands of young lives ruined, and no BLM protests...why?
Of course there are white groomers and do they get away with it based on their race or religion?
No, but they might based on power and money.
The who BLM 'movement' has been well and truly hijacked by the 'Champagne Socialists' who are clearly bored with not being able to travel to Daddy's pied de terre in Monaco for 'hols' with Tristan and Tabitha.
A very valid point now totally diluted due to the actions of the very 'white privileged' whom they vent their anger on.The irony is biblical.
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posted on 23/6/20
comment by Timothy (U14278)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 6 minutes ago
This might finish the filtering process.
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How?
Its actually positive racisim to claim black lives matter. Are you saying they matter more than white people?
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Someone’s insecure
posted on 23/6/20
Too many people seem to miss the point. There's lots of talk of equality, but equality only works with equity and the lack of equity has been a problem for POC for generations.
Simple analogy. You have three men, a very tall one, an average height, and a small man. There is a wall they all want to look over. Equality says give each man a box to stand on, but the tall man doesnt need a box to stand on to see over the wall, the average man needs one and the small man needs two. Equity means giving the small man two boxes and the tall man none, this results in equality as now all three men can see over the wall.
The lack of equity in society is the problem.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
Too many people seem to miss the point. There's lots of talk of equality, but equality only works with equity and the lack of equity has been a problem for POC for generations.
Simple analogy. You have three men, a very tall one, an average height, and a small man. There is a wall they all want to look over. Equality says give each man a box to stand on, but the tall man doesnt need a box to stand on to see over the wall, the average man needs one and the small man needs two. Equity means giving the small man two boxes and the tall man none, this results in equality as now all three men can see over the wall.
The lack of equity in society is the problem.
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could just knock the wall doon. but i get the point
posted on 23/6/20
could just knock the wall doon.
That's anarchy I guess.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 20 minutes ago
Nice bit of racism in the morning.
BLM is a thing because to many in positions of power black lives don't matter.
Alllivesmatter is a counter from the far right. A good one too because it sounds well meaning. It's not, if you use it you are either racist or ignorant. If the second then please educate yourself. Alllivesmatter don't matter until black lives do.
White lives matter? Well that's a new one. If you are promoting the majority race that holds all the wealth and power well that's also got a word. Supremacy
This isn't just an American problem which up until the past year I naively believed until I educated myself on the matter.
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No lives matter until black lives matter is gibberish.
White silence equals violence is racist and wring, as millions of white folk speak out, myself included.
Why raise black lives above Asian, Latino, Hispanic or white trash in America or here?
Why not raise up all lives and stop dividing on accidental courxat birth.
Class and poverty matter too.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 seconds ago
You are correct, Fash but it is also correct to recognise that the rival protests are being hijacked by elements of the far left and right and also fuelled by a media gagging for something other than Covid portraying it as a battle between far left and right.
Then, of course, in Glasgow we have our own unique sub-text of neanderthals on both sides.
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I think more has been made of that than is accurate, the BLM protests were mainly a broader spectrum of protestors, i wouldn't deny some of those on the left caused problems but from what i seen on the TV it didnt look like much of that was ANTIFA. The right winger groups went for a pash up and to cause trouble not protect a statue that was already boarded up.
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Did you see random white guys battered in London last week, while out walking and presumed a football hooligan in a built up area?
Or black cops beaten by white BLM fanboys.
Or black cops killed by black looters and rioters after Floyd was killed.
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Whataboutery of the worst kind but i could play that game longer than you.
Do you remember the white cop kneeling on the black guys neck until he died?
Do you remember the white cop who shot an unarmed black woman in her house?
Do you remember the right wing guy being carried to safety on the shoulder of a black man? Do you know said white man was a Police man?
The whole point should be bad people are bad people regardless of the colour of their fooking skin you numpty.
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Totally agree with all of that.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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White Girls groomed in England by mainly muslim men or married off to old guys in Africa.
Any views?
posted on 23/6/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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I watched that filthy rich on Netflix. Grim
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Watch Three Little Girls about muslim men raping, beating and drugging 12 year old white English girls.
Grimmer
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
You are correct, Fash but it is also correct to recognise that the rival protests are being hijacked by elements of the far left and right and also fuelled by a media gagging for something other than Covid portraying it as a battle between far left and right.
Then, of course, in Glasgow we have our own unique sub-text of neanderthals on both sides.
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Agreed.
Far left and right use this to recruit and stir it.
BLM are right calling for no black guys shot and equality and we all agree.
Now, it's turning into a hate white people and our history culture in UK or Europe or America.
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That's a bit simplistic in my opinion. I think its more do not celebrate the greatness of something built on the back of slavery, racism and exploitation. But inevitably it will cause problems as it can easily slide into a witch hunt finding evil everywhere. But for the most part it has simply challenged the idea that Britain and our history is great or even good.
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You mean they call it GREAT Britain when it is not great?
A bit like the UNITED Kingdom then?
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Wait til the Scots anthem, flag and history is targeted, lol
Even more.
posted on 23/6/20
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
OP
Is this a wum or a call to have this conversation?
Critics of BLM argue it actually focuses on race and identity, over say class and poverty.
We all condemn the murder of Floyd by brutal cops.
Now, elements in the movement and far left seek to say every thing American, Scottish, British is racist and bad and a bit rubbish.
We just saw white guys murdered last weekend after white guys were attacked on their own in London the previous weekend.
White people get killed by cops and black racists, just as black people get killed by cops and white racists.
We have white girls groomed by Pakistani and north African men in England.
We have poor white trash in UK and America, who also get killed by UK cops.
Who speaks for them...if nobody does, the Far Right will.
Not sure why the EPL has to wear BLM tops and take the knee, after a shooting thousands of miles away either?
We can condemn police brutality and racism without jumping on a political far leftist and racialist bandwagon.
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Watch 13th on Netflix, or Kalief Browder Story or When They See Us... and then you'll understand why BLM.
posted on 23/6/20
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 20 minutes ago
Nice bit of racism in the morning.
BLM is a thing because to many in positions of power black lives don't matter.
Alllivesmatter is a counter from the far right. A good one too because it sounds well meaning. It's not, if you use it you are either racist or ignorant. If the second then please educate yourself. Alllivesmatter don't matter until black lives do.
White lives matter? Well that's a new one. If you are promoting the majority race that holds all the wealth and power well that's also got a word. Supremacy
This isn't just an American problem which up until the past year I naively believed until I educated myself on the matter.
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No lives matter until black lives matter is gibberish.
White silence equals violence is racist and wring, as millions of white folk speak out, myself included.
Why raise black lives above Asian, Latino, Hispanic or white trash in America or here?
Why not raise up all lives and stop dividing on accidental courxat birth.
Class and poverty matter too.
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Well if you were actually to talk to people from BAME minority groups then you would know that they fully support BLM and that people from Asain backgrounds while having experienced challenges themselves actually agree that the issues are far worse for black people.
Or have you heard something totally different than that from those groups?
Class and poverty do matter absolutely but if you are black you are far more likely to be affected by those problems and far less likely to be afforded the benefits.
If you are black and poor you will get less job opportunities. Also if you are black and wealthy you will get stopped by the police more often so even if we lived in a perfect class and wealth distribution utopia it wouldn't solve the racism issue.
That's the reason racism needs tackled first.
But then if you truly believe No lives matter until black lives matter is gibberish. Then there is probably no point in me saying any of that.
posted on 23/6/20
Chicago sees 600 black on black murders annually.
Asian Americans do not do this in White power America, but tend to just get on with life.
Explain why the difference.
Why do white trash as we lovingly call them, not murder in such numbers.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
OP
Is this a wum or a call to have this conversation?
Critics of BLM argue it actually focuses on race and identity, over say class and poverty.
We all condemn the murder of Floyd by brutal cops.
Now, elements in the movement and far left seek to say every thing American, Scottish, British is racist and bad and a bit rubbish.
We just saw white guys murdered last weekend after white guys were attacked on their own in London the previous weekend.
White people get killed by cops and black racists, just as black people get killed by cops and white racists.
We have white girls groomed by Pakistani and north African men in England.
We have poor white trash in UK and America, who also get killed by UK cops.
Who speaks for them...if nobody does, the Far Right will.
Not sure why the EPL has to wear BLM tops and take the knee, after a shooting thousands of miles away either?
We can condemn police brutality and racism without jumping on a political far leftist and racialist bandwagon.
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Watch 13th on Netflix, or Kalief Browder Story or When They See Us... and then you'll understand why BLM.
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Understand BLM
Watch Reggie Yates in America after the Racist Roof church shootings where black people tell whites to Fook off from their protest, call white BBC crew pink pig eyes.
Google Nation of Islam or black power on white devils.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
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Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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White Girls groomed in England by mainly muslim men or married off to old guys in Africa.
Any views?
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Its called a crime, a horrific one that carries severe penalties. not sure your point. there are plenty of white people guilty of child abuse too. I will be honest i have never looked into the stats to see if its disproportionate based on population because well that would be crazy.
posted on 23/6/20
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443669/ESTHER-KRAKUE-dared-question-aims-Black-Lives-Matter.html?ito=facebook_share_article-top&fbclid=IwAR3ePrh6mJgTpwKljJ65abyDEsORKoSjaZmGSb6iCMi8kuoVgm9KYIQHaPA
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
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We should treat and view people equally, and I do.
I do not look down on a person based on skin.
That would be weird.
I disagree with the poltics of some in BLM and far left such as antifa.
That is not racist.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
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I watched that filthy rich on Netflix. Grim
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Watch Three Little Girls about muslim men raping, beating and drugging 12 year old white English girls.
Grimmer
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Why is that grimmer?
Ah I see, because one involves Muslim or men of colour committing the crime.
Predictable as ever.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Chicago sees 600 black on black murders annually.
Asian Americans do not do this in White power America, but tend to just get on with life.
Explain why the difference.
Why do white trash as we lovingly call them, not murder in such numbers.
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Well asian americans were not part of the slave trade and are seen as a completely different class group. as i explained if you speake to asain groups they acknowledge the challenges they face are not on a scale with black poeple.
THey never faced the stigma black people do, they never had their neighborhoods red lined as they were allowed to live in the white ones.
Like you say class and wealth matter, black people have been historically denied access to it, asains have not.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
White Girls groomed in England by mainly muslim men or married off to old guys in Africa.
Any views?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its called a crime, a horrific one that carries severe penalties. not sure your point. there are plenty of white people guilty of child abuse too. I will be honest i have never looked into the stats to see if its disproportionate based on population because well that would be crazy.
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Some may say they are looking for stats to hide racism behind.
Some may say these kind of statements with "facts" are the rhetoric behind the type of people you see in American History X.
People don't want to admit they are racist. They tend to say "I'm not racist BUT look at this example or these stats.
They don't look at socio-economic, they don't look at why crime is so high in areas and ask what can be done to help. They are too interested in using to justify being racist.
Don't like me saying that these people are the invisible racists then don't look for stats to back up an anti-black narrative
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We should treat and view people equally, and I do.
I do not look down on a person based on skin.
That would be weird.
I disagree with the poltics of some in BLM and far left such as antifa.
That is not racist.
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Next you’ll be telling us your wife is black and that’s why you can’t be racist.
No wait, you already used that with her being catholic.
Maybe she’s a black catholic?
posted on 23/6/20
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We should treat and view people equally, and I do.
I do not look down on a person based on skin.
That would be weird.
I disagree with the poltics of some in BLM and far left such as antifa.
That is not racist.
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Next you’ll be telling us your wife is black and that’s why you can’t be racist.
No wait, you already used that with her being catholic.
Maybe she’s a black catholic?
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and ginger haired
posted on 23/6/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash - GERRARD OUT (U21935)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Andy having 'relations' with a 17 year old party girl isn't the same as Saville molesting 13/14 year olds in hospital.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Party girl.
Really? That's where you went with that. Wow.
Groomed sexual abuse victim but to you that's a party girl. Jesus wept.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
White Girls groomed in England by mainly muslim men or married off to old guys in Africa.
Any views?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its called a crime, a horrific one that carries severe penalties. not sure your point. there are plenty of white people guilty of child abuse too. I will be honest i have never looked into the stats to see if its disproportionate based on population because well that would be crazy.
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Point is, cops and social workers were scared to look after white girls as groomers were muslim Pakistani, so cops could be called racist.
On child brides in Africa and ME, there are thousands of young lives ruined, and no BLM protests...why?
Of course there are white groomers and do they get away with it based on their race or religion?
No, but they might based on power and money.
posted on 23/6/20
The who BLM 'movement' has been well and truly hijacked by the 'Champagne Socialists' who are clearly bored with not being able to travel to Daddy's pied de terre in Monaco for 'hols' with Tristan and Tabitha.
A very valid point now totally diluted due to the actions of the very 'white privileged' whom they vent their anger on.The irony is biblical.
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