comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
comment by * (U22266)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am sick and tired of this whole BLM rubbish to be honest.
Being called 'white privileged' - what a load of baws.
If being 'white privileged' means growing up wearing hand me down clothes and being 3rd in the bath (using the same water) after my Dad and older brother then sure - I was really 'privileged'.
Another point - I have saw good friends who were by far the 'best candidate' for positions being overlooked because of the colour of their skin (caucasian). You see - quotas had to be met.
The reason there are not as many black managers is because, quite frankly, none so far have proven to be any good - Sol Campbell being the prime example. You earn the right to be a manager - you don't automatically get the gig because of the colour of your skin.
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thats not what its about tbh.
white privilege is that you are not further held back due to the colour of your skin. Nobody is saying white many white people don't have tough backgrounds or upbringing. Just that we have one less hurdle to overcome from the very start.
I don't understand why people are so defensive about it.
Also your friends sound like they are making an excuse as i don't know any company who has a diversity plan that works like that. If it does its a crap company tbh.
I have seen plenty of folk say things like they only got that job over you because they were black. Could it perhaps have been because they interviewed better?
Anyway if its true your friends have a stick on discrimination case or if they have left the company a constructive dismissal one as any employer would have to demonstrate that a candidate scored equal to or higher than them in the interview process.
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Black Lives Matter. Unless they're in Africa, then they don't. They can starve. I only have so much room on my social media page you know.
Call Sign.
You referred to Pakistani and Asian guys being looked down on in Scotland...this is racist end of.
Just as some cops and white natzis are racist.
However, BLM is mainly about African American lives and now black Brits.....their call not mine, and one reason I think BLM are divisive.
Not many Asian, Hispanic or Chinese or other groups are on BLM gigs, which is mostly black and white left wing.
In the UK and America, Asian and Chinese folk do not shoot or stab each other in numbers and do not loot or riot....they just get educated and leave white and black kids behind in school and jobs.
Ofsted annually report white working class boys doing worse academically than all other groups, so These white lives matter.
If you ignore the white working class problems and say no lives matter until black lives matter, what message does that send out to the vast majority of kids and people in Scotland, Ulster, Wales and England?
In the UK black people account for 4% of the population.
So 96% of lives are on hold?
Many black people are not BLM or left wing or buying into the bigotry of low expectation in black lives, so do not assume BLM and their white liberal left backers represent All black people either.
And this labelling of racist for anyone not jumping on some yank BLM bandwagon is farcical.
Its now a corporate business and BBC brand ffs
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
Black Lives Matter. Unless they're in Africa, then they don't. They can starve. I only have so much room on my social media page you know.
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True actually.
It is all about black lives matter in Europe and America now.
Odd that....wonder why?
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
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1st point its not just an american problem, its rife in the UK too. Although i would accept not to nearly the same scale or severity. That should not mean we cant show solidarity. We have invaded countries and defended allied nations for less.
2nd point its not thousands of miles away it happens here to, we had just convinced ourselves it doenst and decided to be ignorant (myself included) of our role and part in the problem
3rd point nobody in the BLM movement has said those lives don't matter or those things don't happen. They are saying they happen massively disproportionately to black people.
Infact the only people who are saying that is the right wing media & alllivesmatter brigade and their counter narrative that racists, the ignorant and you for whatever reason are lapping up.
How does white privilege work in NI or Scotland where until recently, we were all evil whites in this corner of northern Europe?
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posted 9 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am sick and tired of this whole BLM rubbish to be honest.
Being called 'white privileged' - what a load of baws.
If being 'white privileged' means growing up wearing hand me down clothes and being 3rd in the bath (using the same water) after my Dad and older brother then sure - I was really 'privileged'.
Another point - I have saw good friends who were by far the 'best candidate' for positions being overlooked because of the colour of their skin (caucasian). You see - quotas had to be met.
The reason there are not as many black managers is because, quite frankly, none so far have proven to be any good - Sol Campbell being the prime example. You earn the right to be a manager - you don't automatically get the gig because of the colour of your skin.
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thats not what its about tbh.
white privilege is that you are not further held back due to the colour of your skin. Nobody is saying white many white people don't have tough backgrounds or upbringing. Just that we have one less hurdle to overcome from the very start.
I don't understand why people are so defensive about it.
Also your friends sound like they are making an excuse as i don't know any company who has a diversity plan that works like that. If it does its a crap company tbh.
I have seen plenty of folk say things like they only got that job over you because they were black. Could it perhaps have been because they interviewed better?
Anyway if its true your friends have a stick on discrimination case or if they have left the company a constructive dismissal one as any employer would have to demonstrate that a candidate scored equal to or higher than them in the interview process.
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Have you benefited from being white in Scotland or in life.
I get that black people can be discriminated on race as well as class or wealth, so I know exactly what BLM tho k I have as a privilege in 98 % white Ulster, but how does it apply in places that were always white.
The Jim Crow laws were repealed but the ethos behind it is still alive and well in the hearts and minds of many.
You don't have 3-400 years of legal slavery for it to die out overnight.
We live in a very tolerant society. So can anyone really explain what these protesters hope to achieve?
Its not like the law needs changed.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
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1st point its not just an american problem, its rife in the UK too. Although i would accept not to nearly the same scale or severity. That should not mean we cant show solidarity. We have invaded countries and defended allied nations for less.
2nd point its not thousands of miles away it happens here to, we had just convinced ourselves it doenst and decided to be ignorant (myself included) of our role and part in the problem
3rd point nobody in the BLM movement has said those lives don't matter or those things don't happen. They are saying they happen massively disproportionately to black people.
Infact the only people who are saying that is the right wing media & alllivesmatter brigade and their counter narrative that racists, the ignorant and you for whatever reason are lapping up.
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Cop killings of black guys in UK...how many?
Why look to America and not say, Africa for how people are treated?
Are we concerned about Chinese police in Hong Kong here....not really?
We are choosing battles,that for our narratives and now it's bash Brits and yanks time, for a change.
Who is behind this....often those who hate brits and America.
And now, those who hate whites or being white lol.
comment by atheist (U2783)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Jim Crow laws were repealed but the ethos behind it is still alive and well in the hearts and minds of many.
You don't have 3-400 years of legal slavery for it to die out overnight.
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Maybe in deeo south America mate, but not uk.
I deplore slavery and stayed are being removed.
Whites helped end slavery too of course.
Today, Isis take yazidis and Christian slaves and few speak out, apart from nutters,such as me.
Africans took African slaves and even came to Ireland for white slaves....Africa and middle East now,are basket cases in many areas, but we look away.
Nobody is defending slavery or racist cops, mate.
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posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
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We should treat and view people equally, and I do.
I do not look down on a person based on skin.
That would be weird.
I disagree with the poltics of some in BLM and far left such as antifa.
That is not racist.
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Next you’ll be telling us your wife is black and that’s why you can’t be racist.
No wait, you already used that with her being catholic.
Maybe she’s a black catholic?
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A blatholic?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by atheist (U2783)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Jim Crow laws were repealed but the ethos behind it is still alive and well in the hearts and minds of many.
You don't have 3-400 years of legal slavery for it to die out overnight.
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Maybe in deeo south America mate, but not uk.
I deplore slavery and stayed are being removed.
Whites helped end slavery too of course.
Today, Isis take yazidis and Christian slaves and few speak out, apart from nutters,such as me.
Africans took African slaves and even came to Ireland for white slaves....Africa and middle East now,are basket cases in many areas, but we look away.
Nobody is defending slavery or racist cops, mate.
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Thats the most annoying part. You cant disagree with anything without being labelled a racist. Take this article. The point was someone flew a banner saying white lives matter ( which is a valid point ) and Mr lineaker immediately calls them racist.
Its that sort of closed thinking which is at the heart of the issue and stops any proper discussion on the subject.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
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1st point its not just an american problem, its rife in the UK too. Although i would accept not to nearly the same scale or severity. That should not mean we cant show solidarity. We have invaded countries and defended allied nations for less.
2nd point its not thousands of miles away it happens here to, we had just convinced ourselves it doenst and decided to be ignorant (myself included) of our role and part in the problem
3rd point nobody in the BLM movement has said those lives don't matter or those things don't happen. They are saying they happen massively disproportionately to black people.
Infact the only people who are saying that is the right wing media & alllivesmatter brigade and their counter narrative that racists, the ignorant and you for whatever reason are lapping up.
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Cop killings of black guys in UK...how many?
Why look to America and not say, Africa for how people are treated?
Are we concerned about Chinese police in Hong Kong here....not really?
We are choosing battles,that for our narratives and now it's bash Brits and yanks time, for a change.
Who is behind this....often those who hate brits and America.
And now, those who hate whites or being white lol.
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As I said lesser scale and severity coo killings are a far smaller issue here due to firearms but police stop and search and pulling people over is still an issue here. Happens far more of you are black.
We do look at Africa Britain has intervened in the past against many oppressive regimes admittedly less so now. There is plenty of campaigns against oppressive regimes in Africa. There have been marches and protests about them. Again not sure why you think there isn't.
Chinese in Hong Kong, did you miss the constant wall to wall coverage for the duration of it? There were marches in this country. Wide political condemnation across the world (until we needed out 5g set up) and recently offers of UK citizenship. Again not sure why you haven't seen that.
It's not bash Brits and yanks time, but for some reason many people are being ultra defensive and taking it that way.
We are being asked to educate and self reflect, at least that's how I and many from similar backgrounds have taken it.
I will admit to being part of the problem until recently. I used to believe it was an American problem, although a movement I believed should be supported. I have done some research and reading though off the back of this.
Additionally the response in this country from many people to BLM though has opened my eyes to the fact racism is rife in the UK.
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
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1st point its not just an american problem, its rife in the UK too. Although i would accept not to nearly the same scale or severity. That should not mean we cant show solidarity. We have invaded countries and defended allied nations for less.
2nd point its not thousands of miles away it happens here to, we had just convinced ourselves it doenst and decided to be ignorant (myself included) of our role and part in the problem
3rd point nobody in the BLM movement has said those lives don't matter or those things don't happen. They are saying they happen massively disproportionately to black people.
Infact the only people who are saying that is the right wing media & alllivesmatter brigade and their counter narrative that racists, the ignorant and you for whatever reason are lapping up.
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Cop killings of black guys in UK...how many?
Why look to America and not say, Africa for how people are treated?
Are we concerned about Chinese police in Hong Kong here....not really?
We are choosing battles,that for our narratives and now it's bash Brits and yanks time, for a change.
Who is behind this....often those who hate brits and America.
And now, those who hate whites or being white lol.
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As I said lesser scale and severity coo killings are a far smaller issue here due to firearms but police stop and search and pulling people over is still an issue here. Happens far more of you are black.
We do look at Africa Britain has intervened in the past against many oppressive regimes admittedly less so now. There is plenty of campaigns against oppressive regimes in Africa. There have been marches and protests about them. Again not sure why you think there isn't.
Chinese in Hong Kong, did you miss the constant wall to wall coverage for the duration of it? There were marches in this country. Wide political condemnation across the world (until we needed out 5g set up) and recently offers of UK citizenship. Again not sure why you haven't seen that.
It's not bash Brits and yanks time, but for some reason many people are being ultra defensive and taking it that way.
We are being asked to educate and self reflect, at least that's how I and many from similar backgrounds have taken it.
I will admit to being part of the problem until recently. I used to believe it was an American problem, although a movement I believed should be supported. I have done some research and reading though off the back of this.
Additionally the response in this country from many people to BLM though has opened my eyes to the fact racism is rife in the UK.
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Yes it is - and it is clearly evident a two-way matter, too. If you think that it is just whites who hate blacks then brother, you are very, very much mistaken.
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posted 24 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am sick and tired of this whole BLM rubbish to be honest.
Being called 'white privileged' - what a load of baws.
If being 'white privileged' means growing up wearing hand me down clothes and being 3rd in the bath (using the same water) after my Dad and older brother then sure - I was really 'privileged'.
Another point - I have saw good friends who were by far the 'best candidate' for positions being overlooked because of the colour of their skin (caucasian). You see - quotas had to be met.
The reason there are not as many black managers is because, quite frankly, none so far have proven to be any good - Sol Campbell being the prime example. You earn the right to be a manager - you don't automatically get the gig because of the colour of your skin.
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thats not what its about tbh.
white privilege is that you are not further held back due to the colour of your skin. Nobody is saying white many white people don't have tough backgrounds or upbringing. Just that we have one less hurdle to overcome from the very start.
I don't understand why people are so defensive about it.
Also your friends sound like they are making an excuse as i don't know any company who has a diversity plan that works like that. If it does its a crap company tbh.
I have seen plenty of folk say things like they only got that job over you because they were black. Could it perhaps have been because they interviewed better?
Anyway if its true your friends have a stick on discrimination case or if they have left the company a constructive dismissal one as any employer would have to demonstrate that a candidate scored equal to or higher than them in the interview process.
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Have you benefited from being white in Scotland or in life.
I get that black people can be discriminated on race as well as class or wealth, so I know exactly what BLM tho k I have as a privilege in 98 % white Ulster, but how does it apply in places that were always white.
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I probably have if I'm being honest.
First from age 12 I lived in a suburb of Glasgow (a crap one) Glasgow wealth and prosperity are built off the back of the slave trade. That's not to say there aren't wealth and class issues in Glasgow (my dad grew up, deaf in easterhouse so no special school for him) but it does make getting a decent job possible no matter what part of Glasgow you are from.
I went to one of the worst rated schools in the UK (at the time) got a few highers, nothing amazing. Bright kid but no ambition or drive. Dropped out of uni after a few months a because we couldn't really afford it and I had to work full time and it was too much for me and b because I didn't really like my course and didn't know what to do.
My lack of education hasn't stopped me getting good jobs that I have generally coasted into with minimal effort.
I have seen well educated people from minorities not even get interviewed for roles I or others got.
I currently hold a position in a multi national company as a senior manager in a specialist health care team.
There is someone in my department who has a degree and experience in the sector but wasn't even considered for my role so I didn't even have to compete against them.
Based on what I have seen in the financial institutions and big companies I have worked for I do honestly think if I wasn't white I would not have been able to essentially coast my way to the jobs I have had no matter how bright or talented I think I am.
The company I work for is by far the best when it comes to diversity but even then there are still plenty of examples.
So yes I do think I have benefitted from white privilege despite having poor education, divorced parents, growing up with little to no money from 12 onwards
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 16 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
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it's about sub-conscious bias
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This is the key bit for me.
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I enjoy observing these discussions where people who are capable of seeing the bigger picture, attempt to persuade smaller minded folk, who do not have to capacity to think in such a way. No offence to anyone here who may be small minded. Apart from the part about you being small minded.
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comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
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This is the key bit for me.
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Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
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Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
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This is the key bit for me.
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Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
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Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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Yet they make up a disproportionate amount of front line doctors yet little or no representation at senior or leadership level. There is certainly something pointing to a bias.
Also worth noting that due to BAME people making up a disproportionate amount of front line doctors they have been nearly 70% of frontline NHS death's.
Some scary numbers that do point to inequality in the NHS
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Bluebells
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by * (U22266)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am sick and tired of this whole BLM rubbish to be honest.
Being called 'white privileged' - what a load of baws.
If being 'white privileged' means growing up wearing hand me down clothes and being 3rd in the bath (using the same water) after my Dad and older brother then sure - I was really 'privileged'.
Another point - I have saw good friends who were by far the 'best candidate' for positions being overlooked because of the colour of their skin (caucasian). You see - quotas had to be met.
The reason there are not as many black managers is because, quite frankly, none so far have proven to be any good - Sol Campbell being the prime example. You earn the right to be a manager - you don't automatically get the gig because of the colour of your skin.
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thats not what its about tbh.
white privilege is that you are not further held back due to the colour of your skin. Nobody is saying white many white people don't have tough backgrounds or upbringing. Just that we have one less hurdle to overcome from the very start.
I don't understand why people are so defensive about it.
Also your friends sound like they are making an excuse as i don't know any company who has a diversity plan that works like that. If it does its a crap company tbh.
I have seen plenty of folk say things like they only got that job over you because they were black. Could it perhaps have been because they interviewed better?
Anyway if its true your friends have a stick on discrimination case or if they have left the company a constructive dismissal one as any employer would have to demonstrate that a candidate scored equal to or higher than them in the interview process.
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Black Lives Matter. Unless they're in Africa, then they don't. They can starve. I only have so much room on my social media page you know.
posted on 23/6/20
Call Sign.
You referred to Pakistani and Asian guys being looked down on in Scotland...this is racist end of.
Just as some cops and white natzis are racist.
However, BLM is mainly about African American lives and now black Brits.....their call not mine, and one reason I think BLM are divisive.
Not many Asian, Hispanic or Chinese or other groups are on BLM gigs, which is mostly black and white left wing.
In the UK and America, Asian and Chinese folk do not shoot or stab each other in numbers and do not loot or riot....they just get educated and leave white and black kids behind in school and jobs.
Ofsted annually report white working class boys doing worse academically than all other groups, so These white lives matter.
If you ignore the white working class problems and say no lives matter until black lives matter, what message does that send out to the vast majority of kids and people in Scotland, Ulster, Wales and England?
In the UK black people account for 4% of the population.
So 96% of lives are on hold?
Many black people are not BLM or left wing or buying into the bigotry of low expectation in black lives, so do not assume BLM and their white liberal left backers represent All black people either.
And this labelling of racist for anyone not jumping on some yank BLM bandwagon is farcical.
Its now a corporate business and BBC brand ffs
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Benjamin Kallman (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
Black Lives Matter. Unless they're in Africa, then they don't. They can starve. I only have so much room on my social media page you know.
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True actually.
It is all about black lives matter in Europe and America now.
Odd that....wonder why?
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
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1st point its not just an american problem, its rife in the UK too. Although i would accept not to nearly the same scale or severity. That should not mean we cant show solidarity. We have invaded countries and defended allied nations for less.
2nd point its not thousands of miles away it happens here to, we had just convinced ourselves it doenst and decided to be ignorant (myself included) of our role and part in the problem
3rd point nobody in the BLM movement has said those lives don't matter or those things don't happen. They are saying they happen massively disproportionately to black people.
Infact the only people who are saying that is the right wing media & alllivesmatter brigade and their counter narrative that racists, the ignorant and you for whatever reason are lapping up.
posted on 23/6/20
How does white privilege work in NI or Scotland where until recently, we were all evil whites in this corner of northern Europe?
posted on 23/6/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am sick and tired of this whole BLM rubbish to be honest.
Being called 'white privileged' - what a load of baws.
If being 'white privileged' means growing up wearing hand me down clothes and being 3rd in the bath (using the same water) after my Dad and older brother then sure - I was really 'privileged'.
Another point - I have saw good friends who were by far the 'best candidate' for positions being overlooked because of the colour of their skin (caucasian). You see - quotas had to be met.
The reason there are not as many black managers is because, quite frankly, none so far have proven to be any good - Sol Campbell being the prime example. You earn the right to be a manager - you don't automatically get the gig because of the colour of your skin.
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thats not what its about tbh.
white privilege is that you are not further held back due to the colour of your skin. Nobody is saying white many white people don't have tough backgrounds or upbringing. Just that we have one less hurdle to overcome from the very start.
I don't understand why people are so defensive about it.
Also your friends sound like they are making an excuse as i don't know any company who has a diversity plan that works like that. If it does its a crap company tbh.
I have seen plenty of folk say things like they only got that job over you because they were black. Could it perhaps have been because they interviewed better?
Anyway if its true your friends have a stick on discrimination case or if they have left the company a constructive dismissal one as any employer would have to demonstrate that a candidate scored equal to or higher than them in the interview process.
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Have you benefited from being white in Scotland or in life.
I get that black people can be discriminated on race as well as class or wealth, so I know exactly what BLM tho k I have as a privilege in 98 % white Ulster, but how does it apply in places that were always white.
posted on 23/6/20
The Jim Crow laws were repealed but the ethos behind it is still alive and well in the hearts and minds of many.
You don't have 3-400 years of legal slavery for it to die out overnight.
posted on 23/6/20
We live in a very tolerant society. So can anyone really explain what these protesters hope to achieve?
Its not like the law needs changed.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
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1st point its not just an american problem, its rife in the UK too. Although i would accept not to nearly the same scale or severity. That should not mean we cant show solidarity. We have invaded countries and defended allied nations for less.
2nd point its not thousands of miles away it happens here to, we had just convinced ourselves it doenst and decided to be ignorant (myself included) of our role and part in the problem
3rd point nobody in the BLM movement has said those lives don't matter or those things don't happen. They are saying they happen massively disproportionately to black people.
Infact the only people who are saying that is the right wing media & alllivesmatter brigade and their counter narrative that racists, the ignorant and you for whatever reason are lapping up.
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Cop killings of black guys in UK...how many?
Why look to America and not say, Africa for how people are treated?
Are we concerned about Chinese police in Hong Kong here....not really?
We are choosing battles,that for our narratives and now it's bash Brits and yanks time, for a change.
Who is behind this....often those who hate brits and America.
And now, those who hate whites or being white lol.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by atheist (U2783)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Jim Crow laws were repealed but the ethos behind it is still alive and well in the hearts and minds of many.
You don't have 3-400 years of legal slavery for it to die out overnight.
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Maybe in deeo south America mate, but not uk.
I deplore slavery and stayed are being removed.
Whites helped end slavery too of course.
Today, Isis take yazidis and Christian slaves and few speak out, apart from nutters,such as me.
Africans took African slaves and even came to Ireland for white slaves....Africa and middle East now,are basket cases in many areas, but we look away.
Nobody is defending slavery or racist cops, mate.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 4 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
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We should treat and view people equally, and I do.
I do not look down on a person based on skin.
That would be weird.
I disagree with the poltics of some in BLM and far left such as antifa.
That is not racist.
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Next you’ll be telling us your wife is black and that’s why you can’t be racist.
No wait, you already used that with her being catholic.
Maybe she’s a black catholic?
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A blatholic?
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by atheist (U2783)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Jim Crow laws were repealed but the ethos behind it is still alive and well in the hearts and minds of many.
You don't have 3-400 years of legal slavery for it to die out overnight.
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Maybe in deeo south America mate, but not uk.
I deplore slavery and stayed are being removed.
Whites helped end slavery too of course.
Today, Isis take yazidis and Christian slaves and few speak out, apart from nutters,such as me.
Africans took African slaves and even came to Ireland for white slaves....Africa and middle East now,are basket cases in many areas, but we look away.
Nobody is defending slavery or racist cops, mate.
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Thats the most annoying part. You cant disagree with anything without being labelled a racist. Take this article. The point was someone flew a banner saying white lives matter ( which is a valid point ) and Mr lineaker immediately calls them racist.
Its that sort of closed thinking which is at the heart of the issue and stops any proper discussion on the subject.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
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1st point its not just an american problem, its rife in the UK too. Although i would accept not to nearly the same scale or severity. That should not mean we cant show solidarity. We have invaded countries and defended allied nations for less.
2nd point its not thousands of miles away it happens here to, we had just convinced ourselves it doenst and decided to be ignorant (myself included) of our role and part in the problem
3rd point nobody in the BLM movement has said those lives don't matter or those things don't happen. They are saying they happen massively disproportionately to black people.
Infact the only people who are saying that is the right wing media & alllivesmatter brigade and their counter narrative that racists, the ignorant and you for whatever reason are lapping up.
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Cop killings of black guys in UK...how many?
Why look to America and not say, Africa for how people are treated?
Are we concerned about Chinese police in Hong Kong here....not really?
We are choosing battles,that for our narratives and now it's bash Brits and yanks time, for a change.
Who is behind this....often those who hate brits and America.
And now, those who hate whites or being white lol.
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As I said lesser scale and severity coo killings are a far smaller issue here due to firearms but police stop and search and pulling people over is still an issue here. Happens far more of you are black.
We do look at Africa Britain has intervened in the past against many oppressive regimes admittedly less so now. There is plenty of campaigns against oppressive regimes in Africa. There have been marches and protests about them. Again not sure why you think there isn't.
Chinese in Hong Kong, did you miss the constant wall to wall coverage for the duration of it? There were marches in this country. Wide political condemnation across the world (until we needed out 5g set up) and recently offers of UK citizenship. Again not sure why you haven't seen that.
It's not bash Brits and yanks time, but for some reason many people are being ultra defensive and taking it that way.
We are being asked to educate and self reflect, at least that's how I and many from similar backgrounds have taken it.
I will admit to being part of the problem until recently. I used to believe it was an American problem, although a movement I believed should be supported. I have done some research and reading though off the back of this.
Additionally the response in this country from many people to BLM though has opened my eyes to the fact racism is rife in the UK.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 26 minutes ago
Bluebells
Please change your name to
Whataboutery Man
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I prefer, free thinker, in pursuit of individual thought that does not see a trend coming from America, and thinks...yea, we are racist pieces of Schit.
Better get a slogan on a football top about something that happened thousands of miles away, in a country I normally dislike and ignore.
Better bend my knee for a guy in America, rip statues down, even though black cops are being killed and white people killed by cops, but hey.....those lives don't matter as black cops and white people are bad.
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1st point its not just an american problem, its rife in the UK too. Although i would accept not to nearly the same scale or severity. That should not mean we cant show solidarity. We have invaded countries and defended allied nations for less.
2nd point its not thousands of miles away it happens here to, we had just convinced ourselves it doenst and decided to be ignorant (myself included) of our role and part in the problem
3rd point nobody in the BLM movement has said those lives don't matter or those things don't happen. They are saying they happen massively disproportionately to black people.
Infact the only people who are saying that is the right wing media & alllivesmatter brigade and their counter narrative that racists, the ignorant and you for whatever reason are lapping up.
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Cop killings of black guys in UK...how many?
Why look to America and not say, Africa for how people are treated?
Are we concerned about Chinese police in Hong Kong here....not really?
We are choosing battles,that for our narratives and now it's bash Brits and yanks time, for a change.
Who is behind this....often those who hate brits and America.
And now, those who hate whites or being white lol.
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As I said lesser scale and severity coo killings are a far smaller issue here due to firearms but police stop and search and pulling people over is still an issue here. Happens far more of you are black.
We do look at Africa Britain has intervened in the past against many oppressive regimes admittedly less so now. There is plenty of campaigns against oppressive regimes in Africa. There have been marches and protests about them. Again not sure why you think there isn't.
Chinese in Hong Kong, did you miss the constant wall to wall coverage for the duration of it? There were marches in this country. Wide political condemnation across the world (until we needed out 5g set up) and recently offers of UK citizenship. Again not sure why you haven't seen that.
It's not bash Brits and yanks time, but for some reason many people are being ultra defensive and taking it that way.
We are being asked to educate and self reflect, at least that's how I and many from similar backgrounds have taken it.
I will admit to being part of the problem until recently. I used to believe it was an American problem, although a movement I believed should be supported. I have done some research and reading though off the back of this.
Additionally the response in this country from many people to BLM though has opened my eyes to the fact racism is rife in the UK.
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Yes it is - and it is clearly evident a two-way matter, too. If you think that it is just whites who hate blacks then brother, you are very, very much mistaken.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by super phoenix rangers - Blacklivesmatter (U14864)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by * (U22266)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am sick and tired of this whole BLM rubbish to be honest.
Being called 'white privileged' - what a load of baws.
If being 'white privileged' means growing up wearing hand me down clothes and being 3rd in the bath (using the same water) after my Dad and older brother then sure - I was really 'privileged'.
Another point - I have saw good friends who were by far the 'best candidate' for positions being overlooked because of the colour of their skin (caucasian). You see - quotas had to be met.
The reason there are not as many black managers is because, quite frankly, none so far have proven to be any good - Sol Campbell being the prime example. You earn the right to be a manager - you don't automatically get the gig because of the colour of your skin.
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thats not what its about tbh.
white privilege is that you are not further held back due to the colour of your skin. Nobody is saying white many white people don't have tough backgrounds or upbringing. Just that we have one less hurdle to overcome from the very start.
I don't understand why people are so defensive about it.
Also your friends sound like they are making an excuse as i don't know any company who has a diversity plan that works like that. If it does its a crap company tbh.
I have seen plenty of folk say things like they only got that job over you because they were black. Could it perhaps have been because they interviewed better?
Anyway if its true your friends have a stick on discrimination case or if they have left the company a constructive dismissal one as any employer would have to demonstrate that a candidate scored equal to or higher than them in the interview process.
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Have you benefited from being white in Scotland or in life.
I get that black people can be discriminated on race as well as class or wealth, so I know exactly what BLM tho k I have as a privilege in 98 % white Ulster, but how does it apply in places that were always white.
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I probably have if I'm being honest.
First from age 12 I lived in a suburb of Glasgow (a crap one) Glasgow wealth and prosperity are built off the back of the slave trade. That's not to say there aren't wealth and class issues in Glasgow (my dad grew up, deaf in easterhouse so no special school for him) but it does make getting a decent job possible no matter what part of Glasgow you are from.
I went to one of the worst rated schools in the UK (at the time) got a few highers, nothing amazing. Bright kid but no ambition or drive. Dropped out of uni after a few months a because we couldn't really afford it and I had to work full time and it was too much for me and b because I didn't really like my course and didn't know what to do.
My lack of education hasn't stopped me getting good jobs that I have generally coasted into with minimal effort.
I have seen well educated people from minorities not even get interviewed for roles I or others got.
I currently hold a position in a multi national company as a senior manager in a specialist health care team.
There is someone in my department who has a degree and experience in the sector but wasn't even considered for my role so I didn't even have to compete against them.
Based on what I have seen in the financial institutions and big companies I have worked for I do honestly think if I wasn't white I would not have been able to essentially coast my way to the jobs I have had no matter how bright or talented I think I am.
The company I work for is by far the best when it comes to diversity but even then there are still plenty of examples.
So yes I do think I have benefitted from white privilege despite having poor education, divorced parents, growing up with little to no money from 12 onwards
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Call Sign: Clarence (U3627)
posted 16 minutes ago
I am absolutely burst with this ALM narrative. It is an excuse to be racist but pretending you aren't. It is like a God send for the invisible racism in the country
If you don't want to get it, you are never going to get it. BLM is not about poverty, it's not about white people not having bad experiences. It's not about "yeah but this immigrant did a bad thing".
It's about opportunity, it's about sub-conscious bias. It's about an even playing field for all.
I've used this example before but imagine you own a shop and need new staff. Two young 16 year olds apply. One is white from Newton Mearns. The other is black from Sighthill. Your first instinct is to hire the white lad. Don't pretend it's not true. Your first instinct is to trust the white boy and already start wondering if the black lad is trustworthy or not, what gang he runs about in, is he pushing drugs.
If that were two white lads the initial bias isn't there, you are taking them on merit.
The whole poverty thing is a sham as well. It's about opportunity. I grew up in a scheme as did many people on here. I have made a pretty good success of my life I'd say. The ALM will say "see a white boy in poverty too". I got out of that scheme easily. I got out of that because I had the desire to do so as did my family. It was my desire to improve my life that got me there. I had no barriers, I had no social sub-conscious bias to deal with. Why? because I was white.
You can't deny that the sub-conscious bias isn't there. Think back to your school days. There weren't many black kids in Scotland then but there were plenty of Indian and Pakistani children. Go on, tell me honestly you didn't look down on them because their parents owned the local shop because 99% who say they didn't are liars. I did, I am ashamed to say it but I did. i thought I was better than them.
Until Black Lives truly Matter, All Lives DO NOT Matter
Equality is a right, it doesn't deserve credit.
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posted on 23/6/20
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
posted on 23/6/20
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posted on 23/6/20
I enjoy observing these discussions where people who are capable of seeing the bigger picture, attempt to persuade smaller minded folk, who do not have to capacity to think in such a way. No offence to anyone here who may be small minded. Apart from the part about you being small minded.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
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Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
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Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
posted on 23/6/20
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 10 minutes ago
it's about sub-conscious bias
________________________
This is the key bit for me.
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Good luck proving that. How can you alter something that someone may or may not have without any conscious control themselves.
How does that conversation even go?
A. You believe that because of this?
B. No, I don't.
A. Yes you do. You just don't know it.
B. Errrrm
Seriously, wtf.
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Funny you should say that - it's something I've been involved with in work.
BAME junior doctors have statistically worse outcomes in training than white doctors. Even those who were born in the UK and have been through UK medical schools.
Is the NHS racist? Not in my opinion. But is there something within the system that disadvantages BAME doctors? It's hard to argue against that when the numbers are so consistent.
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Yet they make up a disproportionate amount of front line doctors yet little or no representation at senior or leadership level. There is certainly something pointing to a bias.
Also worth noting that due to BAME people making up a disproportionate amount of front line doctors they have been nearly 70% of frontline NHS death's.
Some scary numbers that do point to inequality in the NHS
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