comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 9 minutes ago
really like Benitez tbf
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Think his stock has gone down now that Steve Bruce has done a better job than him at Newcastle.
Also, his football is tedious. We're not going to achieve anything under ENIC so we might as well play some decent football.
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
One outside choice I've not seen anyone mention but one you could really see Levy going for is Bielsa. Levy only seems to work in two speeds with hiring managers - PL/England proven or in-fashion hipster choice & Bielsa kind of fits into both categories.
First and foremost if he sacked Mourinho tonight the new managers going to be a free agent & Bielsa's technically out of contract as of now. And it's as close of a return to the Pochettino way of doing things without re-hiring him as he'll be able to get.
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Would love bielsa tbh
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Bielsa the best coach in the world who have won almost nothing the last 30 years.
Seen him improve mediocre players at Leeds who were coached by some awful British managere with no clue.
comment by SgtWilko (U12059)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 18 minutes ago
One outside choice I've not seen anyone mention but one you could really see Levy going for is Bielsa. Levy only seems to work in two speeds with hiring managers - PL/England proven or in-fashion hipster choice & Bielsa kind of fits into both categories.
First and foremost if he sacked Mourinho tonight the new managers going to be a free agent & Bielsa's technically out of contract as of now. And it's as close of a return to the Pochettino way of doing things without re-hiring him as he'll be able to get.
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Bielsa is not a bad shout tbf especially on a shortish term contract. The football would be high energy stuff Poch as no2?
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LOL - you never know, Pochettino's a disciple
He's even got ready made beef with the Chelsea manager, it feels right doesn't it
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
No one will replace Jose because he has been at the club barely six months, he needs at least a couple of seasons.
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sandy you're willing to unload any player but not undo the mistake that is mourinho.
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How do you know he is a mistake, he has only been at the club six months, and has all the rubbish the previous manager left him with. He needs three or four of his own transfer windows, and only then can he be judged.
That`s the way it works.
The previous manager had double figure transfer windows. And purchased some right dross.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Give Jose another year, sign what we need but make sure they're young promising players and not just experienced lumps that jose wants
Jose can probably get us top 4, we can bin him off after that before it goes all tiiiits up like United should have done
Can then bring in a proper long term manager who can rebuild and get the squad playing good football whilst still having champions league
This would have been the best case scenario to me but I dont even know if we can count on jose for a solid year, what he said after the game about how he didnt think we would win at half time and basically called out all the players publically for being soft was shocking and it seems like he's trying to see how quickly he can get the dressing room to turn on him
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I must have seen a different post match interview then, as I thought he said the right things. Doesn't mean I forgive him or even want to keep him but is interview was fair. Said he didn't want to blame the disallowed goal and that the performance was not good when we had no inspiration 20 yards from goal and defending was poor.
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Same here, about time we had a manager that says it as it is. The players under Pochettino were on easy street for far to long.
Some of them seriously need the kitchen sink thrown at them from time to time.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Sandy, those are not strictly Poch's players. The days when clubs sign players the manager demands are long gone. The club signed the players with little input from the manager. The only difference is the Poch got them to play to their maximum. Jose can't get close.
This is what gets me. Poch made those players what they were. Somewhere along the line people forget that and assume he's not doing enough with a brilliant squad. I'd argue he squeezed more out of them then any other manager could and made them greater than the sum of their parts.
Jose got one flukey win (and yes, it was flukey) for Porto in the CL and since then he's relied hugely on the kind of funds that make you expect victory. The man is a charlatan and the football itself is atrocious.
Sandy, as a man that grew up watching the Bill Nicholson teams I'd have assumed you'd have an issue with the current style, let alone the fact we're not winning. You've forgotten those great words...
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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I was brought up on the absolute that every manager has to be given a chance. Most on here have been slating Jose since Day 1. Absolutely not on.
Spurs had some awful results under Pochettino, didn`t hear the same lot slating Jose slating him.
He deserves at least two full seasons. Then is the time to judge him. Not this totally disrupted season, when he came in with Spurs in 14th position or something like that.
To be fair I am pretty ashamed to be a Spurs fans right now, with some of the nonsense from some of the fans regarding our manager of just six months. It`s embarrassing.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
No one will replace Jose because he has been at the club barely six months, he needs at least a couple of seasons.
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sandy you're willing to unload any player but not undo the mistake that is mourinho.
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How do you know he is a mistake, he has only been at the club six months, and has all the rubbish the previous manager left him with. He needs three or four of his own transfer windows, and only then can he be judged.
That`s the way it works.
The previous manager had double figure transfer windows. And purchased some right dross.
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When poch was sacked sandy said we had a excellent set of players for mourinho to work with
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posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by MourOUTho (U22347)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 43 minutes ago
Serious suggestion: Nuno
Non-serious suggestion: Sherwood
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I wish he was, but Nuno isn't realistic.
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I think he is. We have more to offer than Wolves.
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I genuinely don't think that's the case. Wolves have a better setup by far in terms of moving up as a club. Richer owners who are also less tight, excellent scouts and the entire client base of a mega-agent to pick from. Plus all the upward momentum in the world. Nuno can hand-pick players who fit his system to a T.
The only thing Spurs have at the moment is a bigger ground and a shinier training ground. I'd back Wolves to become a regular fixture in the CL with Nuno at the helm, more than I would Spurs if Nuno took over with all the restraints Levy imposes.
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Oh man. Don't say this, he is my first choice
I seriously thought we could poach him, pay him more, find him a lovely house in London, show him our first class infrastructure and give him the chance to turn our club into contenders.
I will still hope.
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by MourOUTho (U22347)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 43 minutes ago
Serious suggestion: Nuno
Non-serious suggestion: Sherwood
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I wish he was, but Nuno isn't realistic.
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I think he is. We have more to offer than Wolves.
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I genuinely don't think that's the case. Wolves have a better setup by far in terms of moving up as a club. Richer owners who are also less tight, excellent scouts and the entire client base of a mega-agent to pick from. Plus all the upward momentum in the world. Nuno can hand-pick players who fit his system to a T.
The only thing Spurs have at the moment is a bigger ground and a shinier training ground. I'd back Wolves to become a regular fixture in the CL with Nuno at the helm, more than I would Spurs if Nuno took over with all the restraints Levy imposes.
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Oh man. Don't say this, he is my first choice
I seriously thought we could poach him, pay him more, find him a lovely house in London, show him our first class infrastructure and give him the chance to turn our club into contenders.
I will still hope.
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Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see him turn Spurs into a top side again. But I don't see why he'd leave Wolves where he's got it absolutely made. The whole setup is basically built for him - hell, the super agent (Jorge Mendes) is even the same nationality as he is, so most of the young prospects they bring in for cheapsies are Portuguese too.
Spurs might have a great stadium and training ground but it'd be a MUCH tougher job, and there's no way Levy would allow the whole setup to be structured around Nuno like Wolves has been. Fosun have been exceptional owners for Wolves. Proper plan.
comment by SgtWilko (U12059)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Sandy, those are not strictly Poch's players. The days when clubs sign players the manager demands are long gone. The club signed the players with little input from the manager. The only difference is the Poch got them to play to their maximum. Jose can't get close.
This is what gets me. Poch made those players what they were. Somewhere along the line people forget that and assume he's not doing enough with a brilliant squad. I'd argue he squeezed more out of them then any other manager could and made them greater than the sum of their parts.
Jose got one flukey win (and yes, it was flukey) for Porto in the CL and since then he's relied hugely on the kind of funds that make you expect victory. The man is a charlatan and the football itself is atrocious.
Sandy, as a man that grew up watching the Bill Nicholson teams I'd have assumed you'd have an issue with the current style, let alone the fact we're not winning. You've forgotten those great words...
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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I was brought up on the absolute that every manager has to be given a chance. Most on here have been slating Jose since Day 1. Absolutely not on.
Spurs had some awful results under Pochettino, didn`t hear the same lot slating Jose slating him.
He deserves at least two full seasons. Then is the time to judge him. Not this totally disrupted season, when he came in with Spurs in 14th position or something like that.
To be fair I am pretty ashamed to be a Spurs fans right now, with some of the nonsense from some of the fans regarding our manager of just six months. It`s embarrassing.
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You absolutely hate Mourinho as your previous postings over the years showcase lol! Its just you love being a WUM so much you cant backtrack now youve started this pretend love in with Mou. Hilarious and sad in equal measure
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If is Spurs manager then back him for at least two seasons, as all Spurs supporters should do.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Sandy, those are not strictly Poch's players. The days when clubs sign players the manager demands are long gone. The club signed the players with little input from the manager. The only difference is the Poch got them to play to their maximum. Jose can't get close.
This is what gets me. Poch made those players what they were. Somewhere along the line people forget that and assume he's not doing enough with a brilliant squad. I'd argue he squeezed more out of them then any other manager could and made them greater than the sum of their parts.
Jose got one flukey win (and yes, it was flukey) for Porto in the CL and since then he's relied hugely on the kind of funds that make you expect victory. The man is a charlatan and the football itself is atrocious.
Sandy, as a man that grew up watching the Bill Nicholson teams I'd have assumed you'd have an issue with the current style, let alone the fact we're not winning. You've forgotten those great words...
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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I was brought up on the absolute that every manager has to be given a chance. Most on here have been slating Jose since Day 1. Absolutely not on.
Spurs had some awful results under Pochettino, didn`t hear the same lot slating Jose slating him.
He deserves at least two full seasons. Then is the time to judge him. Not this totally disrupted season, when he came in with Spurs in 14th position or something like that.
To be fair I am pretty ashamed to be a Spurs fans right now, with some of the nonsense from some of the fans regarding our manager of just six months. It`s embarrassing.
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Firstly, if our previous manager got us to a 2nd place finish in the league and later on a Champions League final, do you not think he had a level of credit in the bank in order to turn the ship around. Granted, the results weren't good but I think the CL defeat shattered everyone at the club. I'm sure he even doubted if he could do that again but he didn't deserve to go the ay he did. If you're allowing Jose 2 full seasons on top of this one (effectively 3) then from the moment Poch got us to the CL final, he should have been given whacking great 5 year contract as a reward and faith for all he's achieved. You can say he already had 5 but look where he picked us up from and where he left us. We became major European players overnight. You don't do that if you're not a good manager.
Secondly, if you eliminate emotion from your argument re: Jose then you have to look at bare statistics. They will tell you that the trend for Jose's style of management is never long term. In fact, he's supposed to get teams absolutely bouncing from the word go. That hasn't happened. The stats will tell you that he has two good seasons then falls off a cliff. He's not someone with a holistic, long term idea and I'm surprised you think he'll be the exception to the rule.
He normally gets a bounce, that slows down, results change, the blame game starts, falls out with players, then the entire squad before he's put out of his misery.
I guarantee you if results don't markedly improve, assuming the season starts as normal in August / September, he'll be gone by xmas.
Wolves have a great setup
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Sandy, those are not strictly Poch's players. The days when clubs sign players the manager demands are long gone. The club signed the players with little input from the manager. The only difference is the Poch got them to play to their maximum. Jose can't get close.
This is what gets me. Poch made those players what they were. Somewhere along the line people forget that and assume he's not doing enough with a brilliant squad. I'd argue he squeezed more out of them then any other manager could and made them greater than the sum of their parts.
Jose got one flukey win (and yes, it was flukey) for Porto in the CL and since then he's relied hugely on the kind of funds that make you expect victory. The man is a charlatan and the football itself is atrocious.
Sandy, as a man that grew up watching the Bill Nicholson teams I'd have assumed you'd have an issue with the current style, let alone the fact we're not winning. You've forgotten those great words...
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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I was brought up on the absolute that every manager has to be given a chance. Most on here have been slating Jose since Day 1. Absolutely not on.
Spurs had some awful results under Pochettino, didn`t hear the same lot slating Jose slating him.
He deserves at least two full seasons. Then is the time to judge him. Not this totally disrupted season, when he came in with Spurs in 14th position or something like that.
To be fair I am pretty ashamed to be a Spurs fans right now, with some of the nonsense from some of the fans regarding our manager of just six months. It`s embarrassing.
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Firstly, if our previous manager got us to a 2nd place finish in the league and later on a Champions League final, do you not think he had a level of credit in the bank in order to turn the ship around. Granted, the results weren't good but I think the CL defeat shattered everyone at the club. I'm sure he even doubted if he could do that again but he didn't deserve to go the ay he did. If you're allowing Jose 2 full seasons on top of this one (effectively 3) then from the moment Poch got us to the CL final, he should have been given whacking great 5 year contract as a reward and faith for all he's achieved. You can say he already had 5 but look where he picked us up from and where he left us. We became major European players overnight. You don't do that if you're not a good manager.
Secondly, if you eliminate emotion from your argument re: Jose then you have to look at bare statistics. They will tell you that the trend for Jose's style of management is never long term. In fact, he's supposed to get teams absolutely bouncing from the word go. That hasn't happened. The stats will tell you that he has two good seasons then falls off a cliff. He's not someone with a holistic, long term idea and I'm surprised you think he'll be the exception to the rule.
He normally gets a bounce, that slows down, results change, the blame game starts, falls out with players, then the entire squad before he's put out of his misery.
I guarantee you if results don't markedly improve, assuming the season starts as normal in August / September, he'll be gone by xmas.
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Poch had enough time five years. Fluking a CL final, where the player that got Spurs to the final was promptly dropped doesn't deserve any contract. His time was up.
Sherwood not deserve 2 seasons sandy?
Sandy wants to brag about attending football in the 1800s but it's unreal how a man who's been around for two centuries could learn so little.
Have the balls to admit you were wrong and have a proper objective opinion for once.
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 minute ago
Sandy wants to brag about attending football in the 1800s but it's unreal how a man who's been around for two centuries could learn so little.
Have the balls to admit you were wrong and have a proper objective opinion for once.
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Give him time mate as he’s still struggling with the offside rule
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. We. Hire.
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it does. at least we could have a couple more years of good to watch hope before this happens again.
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I get that but who cares. We've been there for decades and for once we hit another level but instead of building on that momentum Daniel Levy thought it was wise to stagnate and took our position for granted, again.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
No one will replace Jose because he has been at the club barely six months, he needs at least a couple of seasons.
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Though I am still not impressed with Jose, this is a valid point.
Klopp was abysmal in his first three years and God know how Liverpool who were trigger happy in sacking managers didn't show him the door!
Jose has barely been with us and sacking him won't achieve anything. No one in football can change a style brand of playing in 6 months!
Fools!
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Klopp was abysmal in his first three years?
In each year he progressed on the year before.
League Cup and Europa league final, first European final since 2007 in his first half year.
Finished in CL place in his first full year
Finished in CL place in his second full year
CL final in third full year
If that's abysmal then how did all the other managers do?
It was that foundation which was built on to then go and win the CL and PL the following seasons.
Two key players remain from the side he took over he replaced them all and bought new players with £90m net, progressed every season, until finally winning the CL, then the PL.
I'm sure some of the more sensible Spurs fans wish they were abysmal if that's abysmal.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
No one will replace Jose because he has been at the club barely six months, he needs at least a couple of seasons.
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Though I am still not impressed with Jose, this is a valid point.
Klopp was abysmal in his first three years and God know how Liverpool who were trigger happy in sacking managers didn't show him the door!
Jose has barely been with us and sacking him won't achieve anything. No one in football can change a style brand of playing in 6 months!
Fools!
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Klopp was abysmal in his first three years?
In each year he progressed on the year before.
League Cup and Europa league final, first European final since 2007 in his first half year.
Finished in CL place in his first full year
Finished in CL place in his second full year
CL final in third full year
If that's abysmal then how did all the other managers do?
It was that foundation which was built on to then go and win the CL and PL the following seasons.
Two key players remain from the side he took over he replaced them all and bought new players with £90m net, progressed every season, until finally winning the CL, then the PL.
I'm sure some of the more sensible Spurs fans wish they were abysmal if that's abysmal.
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Klopp has been a sensational appointment from day one.
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comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 9 minutes ago
really like Benitez tbf
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Think his stock has gone down now that Steve Bruce has done a better job than him at Newcastle.
Also, his football is tedious. We're not going to achieve anything under ENIC so we might as well play some decent football.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 10 minutes ago
One outside choice I've not seen anyone mention but one you could really see Levy going for is Bielsa. Levy only seems to work in two speeds with hiring managers - PL/England proven or in-fashion hipster choice & Bielsa kind of fits into both categories.
First and foremost if he sacked Mourinho tonight the new managers going to be a free agent & Bielsa's technically out of contract as of now. And it's as close of a return to the Pochettino way of doing things without re-hiring him as he'll be able to get.
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Would love bielsa tbh
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Bielsa the best coach in the world who have won almost nothing the last 30 years.
Seen him improve mediocre players at Leeds who were coached by some awful British managere with no clue.
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comment by SgtWilko (U12059)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 18 minutes ago
One outside choice I've not seen anyone mention but one you could really see Levy going for is Bielsa. Levy only seems to work in two speeds with hiring managers - PL/England proven or in-fashion hipster choice & Bielsa kind of fits into both categories.
First and foremost if he sacked Mourinho tonight the new managers going to be a free agent & Bielsa's technically out of contract as of now. And it's as close of a return to the Pochettino way of doing things without re-hiring him as he'll be able to get.
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Bielsa is not a bad shout tbf especially on a shortish term contract. The football would be high energy stuff Poch as no2?
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LOL - you never know, Pochettino's a disciple
He's even got ready made beef with the Chelsea manager, it feels right doesn't it
posted on 3/7/20
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
No one will replace Jose because he has been at the club barely six months, he needs at least a couple of seasons.
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sandy you're willing to unload any player but not undo the mistake that is mourinho.
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How do you know he is a mistake, he has only been at the club six months, and has all the rubbish the previous manager left him with. He needs three or four of his own transfer windows, and only then can he be judged.
That`s the way it works.
The previous manager had double figure transfer windows. And purchased some right dross.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Christopher - High Priest of The Church of Ndombele (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Give Jose another year, sign what we need but make sure they're young promising players and not just experienced lumps that jose wants
Jose can probably get us top 4, we can bin him off after that before it goes all tiiiits up like United should have done
Can then bring in a proper long term manager who can rebuild and get the squad playing good football whilst still having champions league
This would have been the best case scenario to me but I dont even know if we can count on jose for a solid year, what he said after the game about how he didnt think we would win at half time and basically called out all the players publically for being soft was shocking and it seems like he's trying to see how quickly he can get the dressing room to turn on him
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I must have seen a different post match interview then, as I thought he said the right things. Doesn't mean I forgive him or even want to keep him but is interview was fair. Said he didn't want to blame the disallowed goal and that the performance was not good when we had no inspiration 20 yards from goal and defending was poor.
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Same here, about time we had a manager that says it as it is. The players under Pochettino were on easy street for far to long.
Some of them seriously need the kitchen sink thrown at them from time to time.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Sandy, those are not strictly Poch's players. The days when clubs sign players the manager demands are long gone. The club signed the players with little input from the manager. The only difference is the Poch got them to play to their maximum. Jose can't get close.
This is what gets me. Poch made those players what they were. Somewhere along the line people forget that and assume he's not doing enough with a brilliant squad. I'd argue he squeezed more out of them then any other manager could and made them greater than the sum of their parts.
Jose got one flukey win (and yes, it was flukey) for Porto in the CL and since then he's relied hugely on the kind of funds that make you expect victory. The man is a charlatan and the football itself is atrocious.
Sandy, as a man that grew up watching the Bill Nicholson teams I'd have assumed you'd have an issue with the current style, let alone the fact we're not winning. You've forgotten those great words...
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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I was brought up on the absolute that every manager has to be given a chance. Most on here have been slating Jose since Day 1. Absolutely not on.
Spurs had some awful results under Pochettino, didn`t hear the same lot slating Jose slating him.
He deserves at least two full seasons. Then is the time to judge him. Not this totally disrupted season, when he came in with Spurs in 14th position or something like that.
To be fair I am pretty ashamed to be a Spurs fans right now, with some of the nonsense from some of the fans regarding our manager of just six months. It`s embarrassing.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
No one will replace Jose because he has been at the club barely six months, he needs at least a couple of seasons.
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sandy you're willing to unload any player but not undo the mistake that is mourinho.
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How do you know he is a mistake, he has only been at the club six months, and has all the rubbish the previous manager left him with. He needs three or four of his own transfer windows, and only then can he be judged.
That`s the way it works.
The previous manager had double figure transfer windows. And purchased some right dross.
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When poch was sacked sandy said we had a excellent set of players for mourinho to work with
posted on 3/7/20
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by MourOUTho (U22347)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 43 minutes ago
Serious suggestion: Nuno
Non-serious suggestion: Sherwood
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I wish he was, but Nuno isn't realistic.
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I think he is. We have more to offer than Wolves.
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I genuinely don't think that's the case. Wolves have a better setup by far in terms of moving up as a club. Richer owners who are also less tight, excellent scouts and the entire client base of a mega-agent to pick from. Plus all the upward momentum in the world. Nuno can hand-pick players who fit his system to a T.
The only thing Spurs have at the moment is a bigger ground and a shinier training ground. I'd back Wolves to become a regular fixture in the CL with Nuno at the helm, more than I would Spurs if Nuno took over with all the restraints Levy imposes.
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Oh man. Don't say this, he is my first choice
I seriously thought we could poach him, pay him more, find him a lovely house in London, show him our first class infrastructure and give him the chance to turn our club into contenders.
I will still hope.
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comment by MourOUTho (U22347)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
comment by MourOUTho (U22347)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 43 minutes ago
Serious suggestion: Nuno
Non-serious suggestion: Sherwood
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I wish he was, but Nuno isn't realistic.
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I think he is. We have more to offer than Wolves.
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I genuinely don't think that's the case. Wolves have a better setup by far in terms of moving up as a club. Richer owners who are also less tight, excellent scouts and the entire client base of a mega-agent to pick from. Plus all the upward momentum in the world. Nuno can hand-pick players who fit his system to a T.
The only thing Spurs have at the moment is a bigger ground and a shinier training ground. I'd back Wolves to become a regular fixture in the CL with Nuno at the helm, more than I would Spurs if Nuno took over with all the restraints Levy imposes.
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Oh man. Don't say this, he is my first choice
I seriously thought we could poach him, pay him more, find him a lovely house in London, show him our first class infrastructure and give him the chance to turn our club into contenders.
I will still hope.
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Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see him turn Spurs into a top side again. But I don't see why he'd leave Wolves where he's got it absolutely made. The whole setup is basically built for him - hell, the super agent (Jorge Mendes) is even the same nationality as he is, so most of the young prospects they bring in for cheapsies are Portuguese too.
Spurs might have a great stadium and training ground but it'd be a MUCH tougher job, and there's no way Levy would allow the whole setup to be structured around Nuno like Wolves has been. Fosun have been exceptional owners for Wolves. Proper plan.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by SgtWilko (U12059)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Sandy, those are not strictly Poch's players. The days when clubs sign players the manager demands are long gone. The club signed the players with little input from the manager. The only difference is the Poch got them to play to their maximum. Jose can't get close.
This is what gets me. Poch made those players what they were. Somewhere along the line people forget that and assume he's not doing enough with a brilliant squad. I'd argue he squeezed more out of them then any other manager could and made them greater than the sum of their parts.
Jose got one flukey win (and yes, it was flukey) for Porto in the CL and since then he's relied hugely on the kind of funds that make you expect victory. The man is a charlatan and the football itself is atrocious.
Sandy, as a man that grew up watching the Bill Nicholson teams I'd have assumed you'd have an issue with the current style, let alone the fact we're not winning. You've forgotten those great words...
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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I was brought up on the absolute that every manager has to be given a chance. Most on here have been slating Jose since Day 1. Absolutely not on.
Spurs had some awful results under Pochettino, didn`t hear the same lot slating Jose slating him.
He deserves at least two full seasons. Then is the time to judge him. Not this totally disrupted season, when he came in with Spurs in 14th position or something like that.
To be fair I am pretty ashamed to be a Spurs fans right now, with some of the nonsense from some of the fans regarding our manager of just six months. It`s embarrassing.
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You absolutely hate Mourinho as your previous postings over the years showcase lol! Its just you love being a WUM so much you cant backtrack now youve started this pretend love in with Mou. Hilarious and sad in equal measure
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If is Spurs manager then back him for at least two seasons, as all Spurs supporters should do.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Sandy, those are not strictly Poch's players. The days when clubs sign players the manager demands are long gone. The club signed the players with little input from the manager. The only difference is the Poch got them to play to their maximum. Jose can't get close.
This is what gets me. Poch made those players what they were. Somewhere along the line people forget that and assume he's not doing enough with a brilliant squad. I'd argue he squeezed more out of them then any other manager could and made them greater than the sum of their parts.
Jose got one flukey win (and yes, it was flukey) for Porto in the CL and since then he's relied hugely on the kind of funds that make you expect victory. The man is a charlatan and the football itself is atrocious.
Sandy, as a man that grew up watching the Bill Nicholson teams I'd have assumed you'd have an issue with the current style, let alone the fact we're not winning. You've forgotten those great words...
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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I was brought up on the absolute that every manager has to be given a chance. Most on here have been slating Jose since Day 1. Absolutely not on.
Spurs had some awful results under Pochettino, didn`t hear the same lot slating Jose slating him.
He deserves at least two full seasons. Then is the time to judge him. Not this totally disrupted season, when he came in with Spurs in 14th position or something like that.
To be fair I am pretty ashamed to be a Spurs fans right now, with some of the nonsense from some of the fans regarding our manager of just six months. It`s embarrassing.
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Firstly, if our previous manager got us to a 2nd place finish in the league and later on a Champions League final, do you not think he had a level of credit in the bank in order to turn the ship around. Granted, the results weren't good but I think the CL defeat shattered everyone at the club. I'm sure he even doubted if he could do that again but he didn't deserve to go the ay he did. If you're allowing Jose 2 full seasons on top of this one (effectively 3) then from the moment Poch got us to the CL final, he should have been given whacking great 5 year contract as a reward and faith for all he's achieved. You can say he already had 5 but look where he picked us up from and where he left us. We became major European players overnight. You don't do that if you're not a good manager.
Secondly, if you eliminate emotion from your argument re: Jose then you have to look at bare statistics. They will tell you that the trend for Jose's style of management is never long term. In fact, he's supposed to get teams absolutely bouncing from the word go. That hasn't happened. The stats will tell you that he has two good seasons then falls off a cliff. He's not someone with a holistic, long term idea and I'm surprised you think he'll be the exception to the rule.
He normally gets a bounce, that slows down, results change, the blame game starts, falls out with players, then the entire squad before he's put out of his misery.
I guarantee you if results don't markedly improve, assuming the season starts as normal in August / September, he'll be gone by xmas.
posted on 3/7/20
Wolves have a great setup
posted on 3/7/20
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Sandy, those are not strictly Poch's players. The days when clubs sign players the manager demands are long gone. The club signed the players with little input from the manager. The only difference is the Poch got them to play to their maximum. Jose can't get close.
This is what gets me. Poch made those players what they were. Somewhere along the line people forget that and assume he's not doing enough with a brilliant squad. I'd argue he squeezed more out of them then any other manager could and made them greater than the sum of their parts.
Jose got one flukey win (and yes, it was flukey) for Porto in the CL and since then he's relied hugely on the kind of funds that make you expect victory. The man is a charlatan and the football itself is atrocious.
Sandy, as a man that grew up watching the Bill Nicholson teams I'd have assumed you'd have an issue with the current style, let alone the fact we're not winning. You've forgotten those great words...
"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom."
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I was brought up on the absolute that every manager has to be given a chance. Most on here have been slating Jose since Day 1. Absolutely not on.
Spurs had some awful results under Pochettino, didn`t hear the same lot slating Jose slating him.
He deserves at least two full seasons. Then is the time to judge him. Not this totally disrupted season, when he came in with Spurs in 14th position or something like that.
To be fair I am pretty ashamed to be a Spurs fans right now, with some of the nonsense from some of the fans regarding our manager of just six months. It`s embarrassing.
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Firstly, if our previous manager got us to a 2nd place finish in the league and later on a Champions League final, do you not think he had a level of credit in the bank in order to turn the ship around. Granted, the results weren't good but I think the CL defeat shattered everyone at the club. I'm sure he even doubted if he could do that again but he didn't deserve to go the ay he did. If you're allowing Jose 2 full seasons on top of this one (effectively 3) then from the moment Poch got us to the CL final, he should have been given whacking great 5 year contract as a reward and faith for all he's achieved. You can say he already had 5 but look where he picked us up from and where he left us. We became major European players overnight. You don't do that if you're not a good manager.
Secondly, if you eliminate emotion from your argument re: Jose then you have to look at bare statistics. They will tell you that the trend for Jose's style of management is never long term. In fact, he's supposed to get teams absolutely bouncing from the word go. That hasn't happened. The stats will tell you that he has two good seasons then falls off a cliff. He's not someone with a holistic, long term idea and I'm surprised you think he'll be the exception to the rule.
He normally gets a bounce, that slows down, results change, the blame game starts, falls out with players, then the entire squad before he's put out of his misery.
I guarantee you if results don't markedly improve, assuming the season starts as normal in August / September, he'll be gone by xmas.
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Poch had enough time five years. Fluking a CL final, where the player that got Spurs to the final was promptly dropped doesn't deserve any contract. His time was up.
posted on 3/7/20
Sherwood not deserve 2 seasons sandy?
posted on 3/7/20
Sandy wants to brag about attending football in the 1800s but it's unreal how a man who's been around for two centuries could learn so little.
Have the balls to admit you were wrong and have a proper objective opinion for once.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 minute ago
Sandy wants to brag about attending football in the 1800s but it's unreal how a man who's been around for two centuries could learn so little.
Have the balls to admit you were wrong and have a proper objective opinion for once.
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Give him time mate as he’s still struggling with the offside rule
posted on 3/7/20
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 4 minutes ago
It. Does. Not. Matter. Who. We. Hire.
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it does. at least we could have a couple more years of good to watch hope before this happens again.
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I get that but who cares. We've been there for decades and for once we hit another level but instead of building on that momentum Daniel Levy thought it was wise to stagnate and took our position for granted, again.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
No one will replace Jose because he has been at the club barely six months, he needs at least a couple of seasons.
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Though I am still not impressed with Jose, this is a valid point.
Klopp was abysmal in his first three years and God know how Liverpool who were trigger happy in sacking managers didn't show him the door!
Jose has barely been with us and sacking him won't achieve anything. No one in football can change a style brand of playing in 6 months!
Fools!
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Klopp was abysmal in his first three years?
In each year he progressed on the year before.
League Cup and Europa league final, first European final since 2007 in his first half year.
Finished in CL place in his first full year
Finished in CL place in his second full year
CL final in third full year
If that's abysmal then how did all the other managers do?
It was that foundation which was built on to then go and win the CL and PL the following seasons.
Two key players remain from the side he took over he replaced them all and bought new players with £90m net, progressed every season, until finally winning the CL, then the PL.
I'm sure some of the more sensible Spurs fans wish they were abysmal if that's abysmal.
posted on 3/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 7 minutes ago
No one will replace Jose because he has been at the club barely six months, he needs at least a couple of seasons.
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Though I am still not impressed with Jose, this is a valid point.
Klopp was abysmal in his first three years and God know how Liverpool who were trigger happy in sacking managers didn't show him the door!
Jose has barely been with us and sacking him won't achieve anything. No one in football can change a style brand of playing in 6 months!
Fools!
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Klopp was abysmal in his first three years?
In each year he progressed on the year before.
League Cup and Europa league final, first European final since 2007 in his first half year.
Finished in CL place in his first full year
Finished in CL place in his second full year
CL final in third full year
If that's abysmal then how did all the other managers do?
It was that foundation which was built on to then go and win the CL and PL the following seasons.
Two key players remain from the side he took over he replaced them all and bought new players with £90m net, progressed every season, until finally winning the CL, then the PL.
I'm sure some of the more sensible Spurs fans wish they were abysmal if that's abysmal.
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Klopp has been a sensational appointment from day one.
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