comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Greg- (U1192)
2) he gives the ball away less than bruno - far less in fact. his passing accuracy is c. 10 pp better than bruno, and he has made 38 fewer inaccurate passes this season, despite having made 250 more passes. had they both made the same number of passes this season, bruno would have given it away over 100 times more.
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I think this is the big one with Pogba.
I'll sound like a bit of ahere, but what the hell... A lot of people just have no idea what they are watching in the midfield....
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i think with pogba one issue is that people expect far too much of him, they want him to be keane/xavi/fabregas rolled into one, and sh!t on him from a tediously great height when he fails to be so.
the way some people talk on here you'd think he spends every match strolling around the centre circle, dabbing and creating new emojis, occasionally receiving the ball, but immediately giving it straight to the opposition, before watching them run past him without a care in the world.
i think with pogba one issue is that people expect far too much of him, they want him to be keane/xavi/fabregas rolled into one
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That's fair, but it's partly because I don't think anyone really knows what kind of midfielder he actually is. It's why we have these problems fitting him in, and these endless debates about him.
Two spring to mind, its not that they are not rated as good players but
a.) Rooney - unbelievable player who use to get downplayed and underrated by all but utd fans and it seemed myself (amongst my friends)at some point. and
b.) drogba - people mention his goal record while ignoring injuries and the fact he played as a one man battering ram up front for most his career and didn't have the partners or support that other strikers did. His role was so much more.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Greg- (U1192)
2) he gives the ball away less than bruno - far less in fact. his passing accuracy is c. 10 pp better than bruno, and he has made 38 fewer inaccurate passes this season, despite having made 250 more passes. had they both made the same number of passes this season, bruno would have given it away over 100 times more.
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I think this is the big one with Pogba.
I'll sound like a bit of ahere, but what the hell... A lot of people just have no idea what they are watching in the midfield....
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i think with pogba one issue is that people expect far too much of him, they want him to be keane/xavi/fabregas rolled into one, and sh!t on him from a tediously great height when he fails to be so.
the way some people talk on here you'd think he spends every match strolling around the centre circle, dabbing and creating new emojis, occasionally receiving the ball, but immediately giving it straight to the opposition, before watching them run past him without a care in the world.
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Largely the reason why I don't care for stats.
You talk about Bruno losing the ball more, difference is he will chase back and go and get the ball back.
Much like my old man Rooney.
Pogba usually sulks when he loses the ball.
Also Bruno plays further forward than Pogba in most situations so of course his passing stats will look worse.
Pogbas penalty style shows exactly the type of character he is...
'oh look at me everyone I'm so great' - I honestly wouldn't care if he thought of himself as amazing .. if he showed it on the pitch... Ala Ronaldo .. but he just doesn't.
He should be in his peak years considering his age, have the ability to 'take the game by the scruff of the neck' (hate that saying) and force things to happen in games, considering the ability he apparently has but he just disappears if the going gets tough.
I honestly don't think he is the type of player we need in our team right now.
We did fine without him when he was injured and Bruno joined.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Scholes is another... Not with UTD fans, but opposition fans.
Whenever the topic of Enland's golden generation comes up... many, many fans don't see moving Scholes to the left to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard as a mistake, whereas I think it's the worst mistake any England manager has made.
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wasn't that debunked and he only played like 6 games there? Cant remember the exact stats
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Scholes is another... Not with UTD fans, but opposition fans.
Whenever the topic of Enland's golden generation comes up... many, many fans don't see moving Scholes to the left to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard as a mistake, whereas I think it's the worst mistake any England manager has made.
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wasn't that debunked and he only played like 6 games there? Cant remember the exact stats
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It wasn't many, but perhaps Scholes saw the way things were going and made the decision to pull out. That was in 2004, and I think we were still debating the Gerrard/Lampard conundrum in 2010. Eriksson, McLaren and Capello all failed to resolve the issue. Taking Scholes out of the equation for now, the repeated failure to sort that out was the main reason for the disappointment of the "Golden Generation", for me, though there were of course other problems.
And also I thought pogba was superb Vs Sevilla by the way..
He did still lose the ball in awful positions a couple of times though and dilly dallied on the ball for too long
My views.
Neymar
He has the talent no doubt. I think people rightly question his attitude and performances especially for Brazil and in the big games for PSG.
Modric
I will hold my hand up and say so didn’t rate him that highly at Sours. However he stepped up to another level at Real.
I don’t think he would have become the player he did had he stayed in the Prem. Some players just thrive in a different league.
comment by Greg- (U1192)
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Largely the reason why I don't care for stats.
yep, why use stats when you can just vaguely say "he doesn't provide enough in attack"
Pogba usually sulks when he loses the ball.
oh, well, i'm sold.
Also Bruno plays further forward than Pogba in most situations so of course his passing stats will look worse.
last season, when he spent more time in an advanced position, was one of the most productive midfielders in europe, and was the only non-pool/city player in the team of the year, his pass completion rate was almost 7pp better than bruno's.
Pogbas penalty style shows exactly the type of character he is...
'oh look at me everyone I'm so great' -
at this point i just give up.
He should be in his peak years considering his age, have the ability to 'take the game by the scruff of the neck' (hate that saying)
vague waffle, you should go and talk to baz about this, avoid any reference to stats, and just airily talk about "control"
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comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Scholes is another... Not with UTD fans, but opposition fans.
Whenever the topic of Enland's golden generation comes up... many, many fans don't see moving Scholes to the left to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard as a mistake, whereas I think it's the worst mistake any England manager has made.
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wasn't that debunked and he only played like 6 games there? Cant remember the exact stats
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That's not debunking it though...playing Scholes, one of the greatest midfielders England has seen, as LW to accommodate two great players that occupied the same area of the pitch was just ludicrous.
Pogbas penalty style shows exactly the type of character he is...
'oh look at me everyone I'm so great' -
at this point i just give up.
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Yep, it's clear when emotion has taken over.
Bruno's penalty style is hardly the most subtle (it's like an equestrian horse!), yet he doesn't get the "look at me" tag.
Not if you think, like the managers seemed to, that the other two were better in the middle. It was before scholes had dropped deeper into midfield as his career progressed. It did not work but if we had a decent left winger it may not have been an issue.
Maybe gerrard would have been the better shout but I would wager gerrard and Lampard were more of a goal threat for their clubs through the middle.
anyway no point getting into it ji, as the discussions been had many times before.
It was during the time when Scholes was a CM, not a #10/AMF.
Any manager with balls would have played a CM, Scholes and one of Lamps/Gerrard.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
anyway no point getting into it ji, as the discussions been had many times before.
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True enough!
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 7 seconds ago
It was during the time when Scholes was a CM, not a #10/AMF.
Any manager with balls would have played a CM, Scholes and one of Lamps/Gerrard.
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Not if they thought lamps and gerrard were better players. Which many did at the time. Why it didn't quite work out, were not sure, but a huge reason from seeing many interviews is the club divide between the players and lack of management/leadership.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
My views.
Neymar
He has the talent no doubt. I think people rightly question his attitude and performances especially for Brazil and in the big games for PSG.
Modric
I will hold my hand up and say so didn’t rate him that highly at Sours. However he stepped up to another level at Real.
I don’t think he would have become the player he did had he stayed in the Prem. Some players just thrive in a different league.
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Modric was nowhere near as good at Spurs as he became for Real. He was very good but isn’t as suited to a two man midfield, didn’t have the quality around him for him to truly shine and he also just kept improving as a player.
"And thanks to COVID, he could well be stuck there now, as I can't see anyone paying what it would cost to sign him from PSG. If he does see our his contract, what a waste of 5 of his peak years it will have been."
Unless he wins on Sunday of course....
comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
what a waste of 5 of his peak years it will have been.
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Why? PSG are a top team with many great players. I would consider playing for PSG currently to be more prestigious than playing for example for United or Chelsea at this moment in time.
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Yeh, but you are a massive wumtard.
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
what a waste of 5 of his peak years it will have been.
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Why? PSG are a top team with many great players. I would consider playing for PSG currently to be more prestigious than playing for example for United or Chelsea at this moment in time.
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Yeh, but you are a massive wumtard.
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???
Most players would absolutely rather play for PSG than United or Chelsea right now. They're in a CL final and have a couple of the best players in the world in their team.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Not if you think, like the managers seemed to, that the other two were better in the middle. It was before scholes had dropped deeper into midfield as his career progressed. It did not work but if we had a decent left winger it may not have been an issue.
Maybe gerrard would have been the better shout but I would wager gerrard and Lampard were more of a goal threat for their clubs through the middle.
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Didn't Scholes play on the left of a diamond for England? It wasn't really as a winger was it?
Pogba.
Now somehow spectacularly underrated by oppo and United fans alike.
Lukaku is the best example of what OP said for me, Neymar is a good one too, You could say a simple statement such as ‘Lukaku is a good striker, isn’t he’, which by literally all objective evidence he is. You’d still get lots of fans trying to disagree with you.
Another one that baffles me is fans who don’t rate TAA and Robertson. Sometimes I don’t now if I’m missing fans who are just trying to banter off Liverpool but they seriously get underappreciated/underrespected by a sizeable minority of fans.
Raheem Sterling is another classic one. Again, by literally all objective evidence he is a great player, you still have fans that maintain he’s average/he only scores goals because of his teammates etc. It is like Lukaku, bending over backwards to find any excuse to not just say he’s a good player.
May final one that I think fits what OP talks about is Kyle Walker. I have said this many times but he doesn’t get the respect he deserves. In PL team of the decade articles Walker never gets mentioned. He has started out this decade as one of the best RBs in the league and finishes the decade as such. Won everything domestically, x3 PFA team of the year. Yes he was not the individually most talented full back, but he has consistency, longevity, trophy success and playing at a good standard. Exactly the same principles why Gary Neville is seen as the best PL RB ever by most. I’m not saying Walker should be in that conversation obviously, but just showcasing the slight hypocrisy. Another example of a player not rate as he should be despite all objective evidence to the contrary.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
One match where is was a team player and this article comes out of the woodwork. He has been a selfish diving caaant ever before yesterday. Let him keep this new attitude up for a season and then this article has any merit.
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Absolute nonsense and backs up my point to perfection... He is a very hard working player and is far from selfish. He seems to be the type of player who gets as much enjoyment out of an assist as a goal.
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Agree with this. Bit of a weird comment. He has always had excellent vision and an ability to create chances. He also could never be described as ‘lazy’ - he constantly makes runs off the ball and presses other players. Some man have you believe that he literally just stands on the spot, doesn’t press and is a selfish player because they don’t like his haircut
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Two spring to mind, its not that they are not rated as good players but
a.) Rooney - unbelievable player who use to get downplayed and underrated by all but utd fans and it seemed myself (amongst my friends)at some point. and
b.) drogba - people mention his goal record while ignoring injuries and the fact he played as a one man battering ram up front for most his career and didn't have the partners or support that other strikers did. His role was so much more.
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Agree with both of these. I think they’re suffering from myths that are getting passed down and exaggerated to younger fans who never saw them play as much.
With Rooney I’ve noted some fans think he was an average striker essentially who was good in his youth but never reached his potential. I mean, whether he reaches his potential or not is debatable but the level he reached was still world class.
With Drogba I have noted fans as you said bring his goal record up a lot. Ok, fair enough, overall in his career it wasn’t as good as the beat. But they also forget the context. When he was at his best (eg.09/10) he was a great goalscorer. It would be fair to see season by season he could be inconsistent (vs the constant 20-25 league goals a season strikers) but till he offsets this in other ways. His big game record, the other strengths to his game.
I’ve also noted fans think he was just physical/power only. Disappointed, but not surprised that he’s been reduced to this, to say the least 🤷🏿♂️ I have had debates with fans (yes it was on Twitter..maybe my own fault) who were arguing Costa was better technically than Drogba and that Drogba was just a battering ram. He of course was powerful and had good physical strengths but had so much more to his game
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posted on 19/8/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Greg- (U1192)
2) he gives the ball away less than bruno - far less in fact. his passing accuracy is c. 10 pp better than bruno, and he has made 38 fewer inaccurate passes this season, despite having made 250 more passes. had they both made the same number of passes this season, bruno would have given it away over 100 times more.
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I think this is the big one with Pogba.
I'll sound like a bit of ahere, but what the hell... A lot of people just have no idea what they are watching in the midfield....
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i think with pogba one issue is that people expect far too much of him, they want him to be keane/xavi/fabregas rolled into one, and sh!t on him from a tediously great height when he fails to be so.
the way some people talk on here you'd think he spends every match strolling around the centre circle, dabbing and creating new emojis, occasionally receiving the ball, but immediately giving it straight to the opposition, before watching them run past him without a care in the world.
posted on 19/8/20
i think with pogba one issue is that people expect far too much of him, they want him to be keane/xavi/fabregas rolled into one
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That's fair, but it's partly because I don't think anyone really knows what kind of midfielder he actually is. It's why we have these problems fitting him in, and these endless debates about him.
posted on 19/8/20
Two spring to mind, its not that they are not rated as good players but
a.) Rooney - unbelievable player who use to get downplayed and underrated by all but utd fans and it seemed myself (amongst my friends)at some point. and
b.) drogba - people mention his goal record while ignoring injuries and the fact he played as a one man battering ram up front for most his career and didn't have the partners or support that other strikers did. His role was so much more.
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Greg- (U1192)
2) he gives the ball away less than bruno - far less in fact. his passing accuracy is c. 10 pp better than bruno, and he has made 38 fewer inaccurate passes this season, despite having made 250 more passes. had they both made the same number of passes this season, bruno would have given it away over 100 times more.
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I think this is the big one with Pogba.
I'll sound like a bit of ahere, but what the hell... A lot of people just have no idea what they are watching in the midfield....
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i think with pogba one issue is that people expect far too much of him, they want him to be keane/xavi/fabregas rolled into one, and sh!t on him from a tediously great height when he fails to be so.
the way some people talk on here you'd think he spends every match strolling around the centre circle, dabbing and creating new emojis, occasionally receiving the ball, but immediately giving it straight to the opposition, before watching them run past him without a care in the world.
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Largely the reason why I don't care for stats.
You talk about Bruno losing the ball more, difference is he will chase back and go and get the ball back.
Much like my old man Rooney.
Pogba usually sulks when he loses the ball.
Also Bruno plays further forward than Pogba in most situations so of course his passing stats will look worse.
Pogbas penalty style shows exactly the type of character he is...
'oh look at me everyone I'm so great' - I honestly wouldn't care if he thought of himself as amazing .. if he showed it on the pitch... Ala Ronaldo .. but he just doesn't.
He should be in his peak years considering his age, have the ability to 'take the game by the scruff of the neck' (hate that saying) and force things to happen in games, considering the ability he apparently has but he just disappears if the going gets tough.
I honestly don't think he is the type of player we need in our team right now.
We did fine without him when he was injured and Bruno joined.
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Scholes is another... Not with UTD fans, but opposition fans.
Whenever the topic of Enland's golden generation comes up... many, many fans don't see moving Scholes to the left to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard as a mistake, whereas I think it's the worst mistake any England manager has made.
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wasn't that debunked and he only played like 6 games there? Cant remember the exact stats
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Scholes is another... Not with UTD fans, but opposition fans.
Whenever the topic of Enland's golden generation comes up... many, many fans don't see moving Scholes to the left to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard as a mistake, whereas I think it's the worst mistake any England manager has made.
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wasn't that debunked and he only played like 6 games there? Cant remember the exact stats
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It wasn't many, but perhaps Scholes saw the way things were going and made the decision to pull out. That was in 2004, and I think we were still debating the Gerrard/Lampard conundrum in 2010. Eriksson, McLaren and Capello all failed to resolve the issue. Taking Scholes out of the equation for now, the repeated failure to sort that out was the main reason for the disappointment of the "Golden Generation", for me, though there were of course other problems.
posted on 19/8/20
And also I thought pogba was superb Vs Sevilla by the way..
He did still lose the ball in awful positions a couple of times though and dilly dallied on the ball for too long
posted on 19/8/20
My views.
Neymar
He has the talent no doubt. I think people rightly question his attitude and performances especially for Brazil and in the big games for PSG.
Modric
I will hold my hand up and say so didn’t rate him that highly at Sours. However he stepped up to another level at Real.
I don’t think he would have become the player he did had he stayed in the Prem. Some players just thrive in a different league.
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Greg- (U1192)
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Largely the reason why I don't care for stats.
yep, why use stats when you can just vaguely say "he doesn't provide enough in attack"
Pogba usually sulks when he loses the ball.
oh, well, i'm sold.
Also Bruno plays further forward than Pogba in most situations so of course his passing stats will look worse.
last season, when he spent more time in an advanced position, was one of the most productive midfielders in europe, and was the only non-pool/city player in the team of the year, his pass completion rate was almost 7pp better than bruno's.
Pogbas penalty style shows exactly the type of character he is...
'oh look at me everyone I'm so great' -
at this point i just give up.
He should be in his peak years considering his age, have the ability to 'take the game by the scruff of the neck' (hate that saying)
vague waffle, you should go and talk to baz about this, avoid any reference to stats, and just airily talk about "control"
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posted on 19/8/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
Scholes is another... Not with UTD fans, but opposition fans.
Whenever the topic of Enland's golden generation comes up... many, many fans don't see moving Scholes to the left to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard as a mistake, whereas I think it's the worst mistake any England manager has made.
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wasn't that debunked and he only played like 6 games there? Cant remember the exact stats
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That's not debunking it though...playing Scholes, one of the greatest midfielders England has seen, as LW to accommodate two great players that occupied the same area of the pitch was just ludicrous.
posted on 19/8/20
Pogbas penalty style shows exactly the type of character he is...
'oh look at me everyone I'm so great' -
at this point i just give up.
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Yep, it's clear when emotion has taken over.
Bruno's penalty style is hardly the most subtle (it's like an equestrian horse!), yet he doesn't get the "look at me" tag.
posted on 19/8/20
Not if you think, like the managers seemed to, that the other two were better in the middle. It was before scholes had dropped deeper into midfield as his career progressed. It did not work but if we had a decent left winger it may not have been an issue.
Maybe gerrard would have been the better shout but I would wager gerrard and Lampard were more of a goal threat for their clubs through the middle.
posted on 19/8/20
anyway no point getting into it ji, as the discussions been had many times before.
posted on 19/8/20
It was during the time when Scholes was a CM, not a #10/AMF.
Any manager with balls would have played a CM, Scholes and one of Lamps/Gerrard.
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
anyway no point getting into it ji, as the discussions been had many times before.
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True enough!
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 7 seconds ago
It was during the time when Scholes was a CM, not a #10/AMF.
Any manager with balls would have played a CM, Scholes and one of Lamps/Gerrard.
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Not if they thought lamps and gerrard were better players. Which many did at the time. Why it didn't quite work out, were not sure, but a huge reason from seeing many interviews is the club divide between the players and lack of management/leadership.
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 11 minutes ago
My views.
Neymar
He has the talent no doubt. I think people rightly question his attitude and performances especially for Brazil and in the big games for PSG.
Modric
I will hold my hand up and say so didn’t rate him that highly at Sours. However he stepped up to another level at Real.
I don’t think he would have become the player he did had he stayed in the Prem. Some players just thrive in a different league.
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Modric was nowhere near as good at Spurs as he became for Real. He was very good but isn’t as suited to a two man midfield, didn’t have the quality around him for him to truly shine and he also just kept improving as a player.
posted on 19/8/20
"And thanks to COVID, he could well be stuck there now, as I can't see anyone paying what it would cost to sign him from PSG. If he does see our his contract, what a waste of 5 of his peak years it will have been."
Unless he wins on Sunday of course....
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
what a waste of 5 of his peak years it will have been.
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Why? PSG are a top team with many great players. I would consider playing for PSG currently to be more prestigious than playing for example for United or Chelsea at this moment in time.
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Yeh, but you are a massive wumtard.
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht ^ (U22443)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
what a waste of 5 of his peak years it will have been.
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Why? PSG are a top team with many great players. I would consider playing for PSG currently to be more prestigious than playing for example for United or Chelsea at this moment in time.
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Yeh, but you are a massive wumtard.
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???
Most players would absolutely rather play for PSG than United or Chelsea right now. They're in a CL final and have a couple of the best players in the world in their team.
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Not if you think, like the managers seemed to, that the other two were better in the middle. It was before scholes had dropped deeper into midfield as his career progressed. It did not work but if we had a decent left winger it may not have been an issue.
Maybe gerrard would have been the better shout but I would wager gerrard and Lampard were more of a goal threat for their clubs through the middle.
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Didn't Scholes play on the left of a diamond for England? It wasn't really as a winger was it?
posted on 19/8/20
Pogba.
Now somehow spectacularly underrated by oppo and United fans alike.
posted on 19/8/20
Lukaku is the best example of what OP said for me, Neymar is a good one too, You could say a simple statement such as ‘Lukaku is a good striker, isn’t he’, which by literally all objective evidence he is. You’d still get lots of fans trying to disagree with you.
Another one that baffles me is fans who don’t rate TAA and Robertson. Sometimes I don’t now if I’m missing fans who are just trying to banter off Liverpool but they seriously get underappreciated/underrespected by a sizeable minority of fans.
Raheem Sterling is another classic one. Again, by literally all objective evidence he is a great player, you still have fans that maintain he’s average/he only scores goals because of his teammates etc. It is like Lukaku, bending over backwards to find any excuse to not just say he’s a good player.
May final one that I think fits what OP talks about is Kyle Walker. I have said this many times but he doesn’t get the respect he deserves. In PL team of the decade articles Walker never gets mentioned. He has started out this decade as one of the best RBs in the league and finishes the decade as such. Won everything domestically, x3 PFA team of the year. Yes he was not the individually most talented full back, but he has consistency, longevity, trophy success and playing at a good standard. Exactly the same principles why Gary Neville is seen as the best PL RB ever by most. I’m not saying Walker should be in that conversation obviously, but just showcasing the slight hypocrisy. Another example of a player not rate as he should be despite all objective evidence to the contrary.
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 1 minute ago
One match where is was a team player and this article comes out of the woodwork. He has been a selfish diving caaant ever before yesterday. Let him keep this new attitude up for a season and then this article has any merit.
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Absolute nonsense and backs up my point to perfection... He is a very hard working player and is far from selfish. He seems to be the type of player who gets as much enjoyment out of an assist as a goal.
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Agree with this. Bit of a weird comment. He has always had excellent vision and an ability to create chances. He also could never be described as ‘lazy’ - he constantly makes runs off the ball and presses other players. Some man have you believe that he literally just stands on the spot, doesn’t press and is a selfish player because they don’t like his haircut
posted on 19/8/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Two spring to mind, its not that they are not rated as good players but
a.) Rooney - unbelievable player who use to get downplayed and underrated by all but utd fans and it seemed myself (amongst my friends)at some point. and
b.) drogba - people mention his goal record while ignoring injuries and the fact he played as a one man battering ram up front for most his career and didn't have the partners or support that other strikers did. His role was so much more.
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Agree with both of these. I think they’re suffering from myths that are getting passed down and exaggerated to younger fans who never saw them play as much.
With Rooney I’ve noted some fans think he was an average striker essentially who was good in his youth but never reached his potential. I mean, whether he reaches his potential or not is debatable but the level he reached was still world class.
With Drogba I have noted fans as you said bring his goal record up a lot. Ok, fair enough, overall in his career it wasn’t as good as the beat. But they also forget the context. When he was at his best (eg.09/10) he was a great goalscorer. It would be fair to see season by season he could be inconsistent (vs the constant 20-25 league goals a season strikers) but till he offsets this in other ways. His big game record, the other strengths to his game.
I’ve also noted fans think he was just physical/power only. Disappointed, but not surprised that he’s been reduced to this, to say the least 🤷🏿♂️ I have had debates with fans (yes it was on Twitter..maybe my own fault) who were arguing Costa was better technically than Drogba and that Drogba was just a battering ram. He of course was powerful and had good physical strengths but had so much more to his game
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