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What did Macron say about Islam yesterday?

comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 5 minutes ago
What did Macron say about Islam yesterday?
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He doesn't rate Islam Slimani

Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

comment by Pun™ (U21588)
posted 34 seconds ago
Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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I'd agree with most of that really. Think mocking ideas is OK.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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Yep, this i do agree with tbh.

comment by Pun™ (U21588)
posted 2 minutes ago
Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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I agree with him.

comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Pun™ (U21588)
posted 34 seconds ago
Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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I'd agree with most of that really. Think mocking ideas is OK.
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I'd disagree, religion is not there to be mocked or ridiculed. It should be critiqued.

If people take religion seriously why should people of non faith ridicule the followers or any aspects of the religion?

comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
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comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Pun™ (U21588)
posted 34 seconds ago
Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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I'd agree with most of that really. Think mocking ideas is OK.
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I'd disagree, religion is not there to be mocked or ridiculed. It should be critiqued.

If people take religion seriously why should people of non faith ridicule the followers or any aspects of the religion?
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Ever watch Father Ted?

Not sure what to make of this, will wait until Souness pronounces judgment.

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comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Pun™ (U21588)
posted 34 seconds ago
Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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I'd agree with most of that really. Think mocking ideas is OK.
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I'd disagree, religion is not there to be mocked or ridiculed. It should be critiqued.

If people take religion seriously why should people of non faith ridicule the followers or any aspects of the religion?
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I wouldn't be mocking the followers. Maybe mocking isn't the best word to use but if we can't make fun of ideas then I don't know.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 55 seconds ago
Not sure what to make of this, will wait until Souness pronounces judgment.
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"Pogba lost Faith there. He always allows it to run off him. He really does need to put his body on the line and get stigmata for me. Even then it'd be nothing more than a token gesture".

comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 55 seconds ago
Not sure what to make of this, will wait until Souness pronounces judgment.
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"Pogba lost Faith there. He always allows it to run off him. He really does need to put his body on the line and get stigmata for me. Even then it'd be nothing more than a token gesture".
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comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Pun™ (U21588)
posted 34 seconds ago
Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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I'd agree with most of that really. Think mocking ideas is OK.
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I'd disagree, religion is not there to be mocked or ridiculed. It should be critiqued.

If people take religion seriously why should people of non faith ridicule the followers or any aspects of the religion?
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I wouldn't be mocking the followers. Maybe mocking isn't the best word to use but if we can't make fun of ideas then I don't know.
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Followers of any religion should be roundly mocked, same as we do with other conspiracy theorists - flat earthers etc

comment by Keep It Greasy - Music is the BEST (U1396)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Pun™ (U21588)
posted 34 seconds ago
Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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I'd agree with most of that really. Think mocking ideas is OK.
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I'd disagree, religion is not there to be mocked or ridiculed. It should be critiqued.

If people take religion seriously why should people of non faith ridicule the followers or any aspects of the religion?
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I wouldn't be mocking the followers. Maybe mocking isn't the best word to use but if we can't make fun of ideas then I don't know.
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Followers of any religion should be roundly mocked, same as we do with other conspiracy theorists - flat earthers etc
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Actually, when it's put this way, I have every right to mock an idea which thinks things like Noah's Ark and a talking snake are true.

Religion is fine as a basic guide, the problem arises when it overtakes common sense and people follow it too...religiously.

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Pun™ (U21588)
posted 34 seconds ago
Was earlier in the month, he defended France's secular values and said Islam was in crisis all over the world. Announced a bill to strengthen a law that officially separated church and state in France.

Also defended the right to blaspheme and backed satire such as the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.
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I'd agree with most of that really. Think mocking ideas is OK.
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I'd disagree, religion is not there to be mocked or ridiculed. It should be critiqued.

If people take religion seriously why should people of non faith ridicule the followers or any aspects of the religion?
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Ever watch Father Ted?
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Yes

It's hilarious to me as an atheist but if I were Christian it would be highly offensive.

Christianity has gone through many changes, from period Enlightenment onwards. Mockery of Jesus is often accepted. Depictions of Jesus in pictorial or inanimate form is also accepted.

However, in Islam the scriptures are unaltered, depictions of Mohammed in any form is forbidden. Generally they are tolerant but there is a far right element to the religion which highjacks the generally moderate following. Yes, if you scratch the surface and examine the true teachings and meanings they are archaic and irrelevant to modern life, the teachings are nothing more than fables of morality, guidance to mankind. It bears a spiritual significance to its followers. Its prophet is held is high esteem.

Once people, who feel they have right to mock, pictorially depict a religious figure with a bomb as a head gear it is being reasonable, it crosses the provocative line. The French feel they have a given right to rile Muslims and Islam, it does it institutionally, it has it overtly, it does it unapologetically.

Actions by right wing extremists masquerading as Muslims can't be condoned. Provocation by satirists and endorsements of such provocation by the state can be condoned.

Actions of a few cannot be used as means to bersmich the vast majority of the Islamic faith.

*beyond

I think the issue arises from the importance people give to religion.

It's great if it's kept personal but if it affects everyone then perhaps it isn't the greatest force for good.

comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think the issue arises from the importance people give to religion.

It's great if it's kept personal but if it affects everyone then perhaps it isn't the greatest force for good.
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We are hard wired to be spiritual beings, it's always there. For some it is central to their lives, for others it' s a subject they dip in and out. For others it is meaningless.

I respect all views and everyone's perspective on religion. However, I will not openly mock them or ridicule any aspect of their belief system. Presence (however big or small) or absence of religion in a person makes them who they are.

comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think the issue arises from the importance people give to religion.

It's great if it's kept personal but if it affects everyone then perhaps it isn't the greatest force for good.
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We are hard wired to be spiritual beings, it's always there. For some it is central to their lives, for others it' s a subject they dip in and out. For others it is meaningless.

I respect all views and everyone's perspective on religion. However, I will not openly mock them or ridicule any aspect of their belief system. Presence (however big or small) or absence of religion in a person makes them who they are.
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I won't mock anyone for their beliefs but I think I do have the right to at least question talking snakes, Noah's Ark etc. I'd expect to be laughed at if I said I talked with a snake yesterday!

comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think the issue arises from the importance people give to religion.

It's great if it's kept personal but if it affects everyone then perhaps it isn't the greatest force for good.
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All our beliefs affect someone. Islam, christianity, communism, capitalism etc etc etc

I just find it strange that things become freedom of speech when they affect a.n other. I'm not just talking about charlie Hebdo here although the censoring of jewish cartoons or one of the politicians etc shows how "free" they are

I just think a certain responsibility goes with certain things. And certain positions have certain responsibility.

I mean I grew up with kids putting bacon on Muslim doors but I wouldn't expect boris to start doing it and saying it's freedom

comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)

I mean I grew up with kids putting bacon on Muslim doors but I wouldn't expect boris to start doing it and saying it's freedom
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this is exactly the sort of thing i would expect him to do

comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Plump Pumped (U22314)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Diallo Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think the issue arises from the importance people give to religion.

It's great if it's kept personal but if it affects everyone then perhaps it isn't the greatest force for good.
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We are hard wired to be spiritual beings, it's always there. For some it is central to their lives, for others it' s a subject they dip in and out. For others it is meaningless.

I respect all views and everyone's perspective on religion. However, I will not openly mock them or ridicule any aspect of their belief system. Presence (however big or small) or absence of religion in a person makes them who they are.
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I won't mock anyone for their beliefs but I think I do have the right to at least question talking snakes, Noah's Ark etc. I'd expect to be laughed at if I said I talked with a snake yesterday!
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Absolutely, fables created over 2000 years ago to the modern mind does seem hilarious and I also question many aspects of it.

How far do you and I take our hilarious interpretation is the key. Do we critique it with logic? Do we critique it with science? It may be implausible on both counts.

But to a believer it bears a profound meaning you and I will never get.

There is a saying in certain religions. The ones born into a religion are not true followers, it is those who seek to find the true meaning of God who growcloser and it is they who find deeper meanings behind scriptures, fables