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Mane and Sterling.
Mane is currently best player in league.
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You typo'd Kane. Easy to do though with K being close to M.
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Nope, its Mane. By some distance he is a better player than Kane at this time.
And I am no fan of Liverpool either
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Mane been better last couple of seasons partly cause Kane was injured. Kane better than ever now and has been the better overall player. 7 assists and 5 goals to Mane's 1 assist and 4 goals so far.
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Oh, its goals alone....Okay, then by a country mile DCL is better than Kane. simple logic.
Or use your eyes and see that Mane is the best player in the league at the moment.
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Why you've taken it as just goals, when I mentioned assists as well, I don't know. Anyway, there's more to Kane than those things, it's his all round game, including getting back and defending. Not that Mane doesn't have more strings to his bow either but let's face it Kane Has been head and shoulders more consistent than Mane since his breakthrough season. He has been the better overall player, and right now is operating at a level that is above Mane.
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You a spurs fan by any chance? Kane hasnt lived up to the standards he set at the WC in 2018. See him slowly being withdrawn from the front by Jose. Could be pushing TAA for the best RB in the league soon....but let me guess, the spurs RB is better.
Kane isn't performing to a level above Mane's. You cannot tell me because Kane has added more assists to his game and because his overall game has changed/improved that he has now suddenly become better than Mane, because he hasn't. Just because Kane is capable of doing something other than scoring goals, does not make him a better player.
If you look at what Mane does more often, how he does it and what impact that has on the Liverpool team, you'll realise who the better player is at what they do. Mane is by no means a one trick pony either by his own accounts, but what he brings is something more than what Kane brings.
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.
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Mane and Sterling.
Mane is currently best player in league.
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You typo'd Kane. Easy to do though with K being close to M.
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Nope, its Mane. By some distance he is a better player than Kane at this time.
And I am no fan of Liverpool either
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Mane been better last couple of seasons partly cause Kane was injured. Kane better than ever now and has been the better overall player. 7 assists and 5 goals to Mane's 1 assist and 4 goals so far.
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Oh, its goals alone....Okay, then by a country mile DCL is better than Kane. simple logic.
Or use your eyes and see that Mane is the best player in the league at the moment.
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Why you've taken it as just goals, when I mentioned assists as well, I don't know. Anyway, there's more to Kane than those things, it's his all round game, including getting back and defending. Not that Mane doesn't have more strings to his bow either but let's face it Kane Has been head and shoulders more consistent than Mane since his breakthrough season. He has been the better overall player, and right now is operating at a level that is above Mane.
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You a spurs fan by any chance? Kane hasnt lived up to the standards he set at the WC in 2018. See him slowly being withdrawn from the front by Jose. Could be pushing TAA for the best RB in the league soon....but let me guess, the spurs RB is better.
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Yeah I am a Spurs fan but I don't see how it's biased, more just obvious. I even generously said Mane had been better the last couple of seasons.
Kane has 7 assists and 5 goals so far this season showing some sublime passing range (which he has shown for years by the way), has been regularly scoring goals for 7 seasons in all competitions, got 2 Golden Boots in the league, and would probably have got 2 more if not for injury, but he is miles behind Mane who has only really turned World Class in the last couple of years? Yeah, ok mate. Wahl is right, you are deluded.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
Kane isn't performing to a level above Mane's. You cannot tell me because Kane has added more assists to his game and because his overall game has changed/improved that he has now suddenly become better than Mane, because he hasn't. Just because Kane is capable of doing something other than scoring goals, does not make him a better player.
If you look at what Mane does more often, how he does it and what impact that has on the Liverpool team, you'll realise who the better player is at what they do. Mane is by no means a one trick pony either by his own accounts, but what he brings is something more than what Kane brings.
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.
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To say Kane is currently at Firmino's level of a few seasons ago is laughable. Kane has been one of the best players in the league for years, longer than any of Liverpool's front 3. To say he's suddenly surpassing Mane based on what he's doing this season so far clearly isn't telling the full story.
Not taking anything away from Mane, he is one of the league's best players. But what Kane is doing currently, as well as his consistency over the last decade puts him ahead IMO.
Mane makes the most of his physical attributes. I’d Say Kane was the better though.
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability.
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KANE = FIRMINO?!?!?!?!?!
Is this real life? Are Liverpool fans this biased and deluded! Absolutely Outrageous. I suppose Maguire is as good as Van Dijk and Mendy is as good as Alisson? Hell Callum Hudson Odoi = Salah if you think Firmino = Kane.
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 4 hours, 54 minutes ago
World Class:
Sadio Mane
Alisson
Bruno Fernandes
Heung-Min Son
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I'd agree with this and would probably add Robertson as he is a quality defender and excellent going forward too.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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No, you didn't just read that, in fact you obviously didn't read it at all.
I said Kane is essentially doing what Firmino did a couple of seasons ago with Liverpool. Linking the play up, getting assists, providing for faster players like Son, Moura, Bergwijn, Bale etc (similar to Mane and Salah), but with more goals to his game than what Firmino did. Kane nowadays is a similar player to what Firmino was/is, but with more goals to his game. As I say, at a similar level in terms of importance to the team and in terms of what they do for the team. Yes, Kane is the better player than Firmino, but not as good as what Mane does.
Like I say, just because Kane has added more depth to his game doesn't mean he is better at that than what Mane offers.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 19 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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Firmino is a classy player and has been key to the way LFC play but because he does a few tricks, the odd no-look tap in etc he seems to get ranked as this world class striker.
Last season, in their title winning season, crushing all before them he managed 9 goals having appeared in every single league game, and managed just 1 at Anfield. Also 8 assists which is his best return. These are not the stats of a world class striker or one who is at the level of Harry Kane has scored 2 every 3 games on average for 6 seasons. Kane is already this season just 5 goals and 1 assist of surpassing Firmino's record last season. Whatever Kane achieves this season it will blow Firmino's best season stats out of the water.
Mane is a different sort of player so hard to compare them really. He deserved the POTY last season over VVD IMO because actually Salah & Frimino were not performing at the same high level of previous seasons whereas Mane stepped it up and maintained amazing form all season. He also works hard for the team as well.. He's more comparable to Son IMO and has performed more consistently than Son. May be Son will step it up this season to challenge Mane's quality and that looks possible based on the start he's made.
Kane vs Firmino isn't an argument worth having. The answer is obviously Kane.
Kane vs Mane, again I'd say Kane, but I can see people having that debate. What's ridiculous is the Liverpool fan who said Mane is a level above Kane. That's completely absurd.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 14 minutes ago
Kane vs Firmino isn't an argument worth having. The answer is obviously Kane.
Kane vs Mane, again I'd say Kane, but I can see people having that debate. What's ridiculous is the Liverpool fan who said Mane is a level above Kane. That's completely absurd.
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As I say, I'd rather have Kane now than Firmino. Firmino has been more than what stats are in terms of goals and assists. Sometimes numbers don't have to make you a world class player which is what people fail to see in a player like Firmino, although admittedly he hasn't been as good as he was for a good year now.
Mane is a world class at what he does. Kane is top class at what he does. Kane has only been talked about as potentially THE best basically since the back end of last season. Kane has the potential to be a world class player, something to prove as of yet though. Mane has proven why he was and still is.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 19 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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Firmino is a classy player and has been key to the way LFC play but because he does a few tricks, the odd no-look tap in etc he seems to get ranked as this world class striker.
Last season, in their title winning season, crushing all before them he managed 9 goals having appeared in every single league game, and managed just 1 at Anfield. Also 8 assists which is his best return. These are not the stats of a world class striker or one who is at the level of Harry Kane has scored 2 every 3 games on average for 6 seasons. Kane is already this season just 5 goals and 1 assist of surpassing Firmino's record last season. Whatever Kane achieves this season it will blow Firmino's best season stats out of the water.
Mane is a different sort of player so hard to compare them really. He deserved the POTY last season over VVD IMO because actually Salah & Frimino were not performing at the same high level of previous seasons whereas Mane stepped it up and maintained amazing form all season. He also works hard for the team as well.. He's more comparable to Son IMO and has performed more consistently than Son. May be Son will step it up this season to challenge Mane's quality and that looks possible based on the start he's made.
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I’m not sure anyone’s put Firmino into the WC category on here, have they? Don’t fall into Wahl’s trap, he’s just making things up again.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 27 minutes ago
Kane vs Firmino isn't an argument worth having. The answer is obviously Kane.
Kane vs Mane, again I'd say Kane, but I can see people having that debate. What's ridiculous is the Liverpool fan who said Mane is a level above Kane. That's completely absurd.
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Come on, who’s done Kane v Firmino? All I’ve seen is someone saying that Kane is bringing other players into the game more, which is something he seems to be doing more this season than ever before. It’s what Firmino has done his whole career at Liverpool.
No one’s seriously suggesting he’s better than Kane. You need to stop making things up, and peeing your y-fronts.
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 19 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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Firmino is a classy player and has been key to the way LFC play but because he does a few tricks, the odd no-look tap in etc he seems to get ranked as this world class striker.
Last season, in their title winning season, crushing all before them he managed 9 goals having appeared in every single league game, and managed just 1 at Anfield. Also 8 assists which is his best return. These are not the stats of a world class striker or one who is at the level of Harry Kane has scored 2 every 3 games on average for 6 seasons. Kane is already this season just 5 goals and 1 assist of surpassing Firmino's record last season. Whatever Kane achieves this season it will blow Firmino's best season stats out of the water.
Mane is a different sort of player so hard to compare them really. He deserved the POTY last season over VVD IMO because actually Salah & Frimino were not performing at the same high level of previous seasons whereas Mane stepped it up and maintained amazing form all season. He also works hard for the team as well.. He's more comparable to Son IMO and has performed more consistently than Son. May be Son will step it up this season to challenge Mane's quality and that looks possible based on the start he's made.
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I’m not sure anyone’s put Firmino into the WC category on here, have they? Don’t fall into Wahl’s trap, he’s just making things up again.
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"Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago"
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
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comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
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comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 19 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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Firmino is a classy player and has been key to the way LFC play but because he does a few tricks, the odd no-look tap in etc he seems to get ranked as this world class striker.
Last season, in their title winning season, crushing all before them he managed 9 goals having appeared in every single league game, and managed just 1 at Anfield. Also 8 assists which is his best return. These are not the stats of a world class striker or one who is at the level of Harry Kane has scored 2 every 3 games on average for 6 seasons. Kane is already this season just 5 goals and 1 assist of surpassing Firmino's record last season. Whatever Kane achieves this season it will blow Firmino's best season stats out of the water.
Mane is a different sort of player so hard to compare them really. He deserved the POTY last season over VVD IMO because actually Salah & Frimino were not performing at the same high level of previous seasons whereas Mane stepped it up and maintained amazing form all season. He also works hard for the team as well.. He's more comparable to Son IMO and has performed more consistently than Son. May be Son will step it up this season to challenge Mane's quality and that looks possible based on the start he's made.
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I’m not sure anyone’s put Firmino into the WC category on here, have they? Don’t fall into Wahl’s trap, he’s just making things up again.
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"Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago"
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That has nothing to do with Firmino being world class. Do you make stuff up for a living?
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comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 27 minutes ago
Kane vs Firmino isn't an argument worth having. The answer is obviously Kane.
Kane vs Mane, again I'd say Kane, but I can see people having that debate. What's ridiculous is the Liverpool fan who said Mane is a level above Kane. That's completely absurd.
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Come on, who’s done Kane v Firmino? All I’ve seen is someone saying that Kane is bringing other players into the game more, which is something he seems to be doing more this season than ever before. It’s what Firmino has done his whole career at Liverpool.
No one’s seriously suggesting he’s better than Kane. You need to stop making things up, and peeing your y-fronts.
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JustYourAverageFan literally does this.
There are so many bad takes regarding Kane, it’s ridiculous. Firmino isn’t on his level and never has been, it’s not much of an insult to Firmino, he hasn’t ever been on Lewandowski or Suarez’s level either - doesn’t make him a bad player.
Kane has probably been the best player this season in the league so far, that’s not a particularly outrageous shout. No player has ever had more goals and assists by this point in the season in PL history, the numbers he is putting up is pretty special and he is doing much more than goals and assists.
Who is better between Mane and Kane is a tough one and a bit more subjective. Peak Kane vs Peak Mane is close - but the last three years Mane has been the superior performer quite easily and between him and KDB for the best player in the league. He is an incredible player.
I never actually said Firmino was better than Kane if you read what I put, I said that Kane is performing to a similar, but probably better, level than Firmino of a couple of seasons ago, probably due to the fact Kane has more impressive stats. But stats will never tell the full story anyway.
I would say Kane is the better player, especially now, but they are performing to similar levels. Please, before anybody has a go, remember what the word "similar" means. It does not mean the same (I'm looking at you Wahl), for when that inevitable comment comes.
Similar level meaning they're both professional footballers in the top tier of English football yes.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never actually said Firmino was better than Kane if you read what I put, I said that Kane is performing to a similar, but probably better, level than Firmino of a couple of seasons ago, probably due to the fact Kane has more impressive stats. But stats will never tell the full story anyway.
I would say Kane is the better player, especially now, but they are performing to similar levels. Please, before anybody has a go, remember what the word "similar" means. It does not mean the same (I'm looking at you Wahl), for when that inevitable comment comes.
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No, you literally said this:
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Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.’
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comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never actually said Firmino was better than Kane if you read what I put, I said that Kane is performing to a similar, but probably better, level than Firmino of a couple of seasons ago, probably due to the fact Kane has more impressive stats. But stats will never tell the full story anyway.
I would say Kane is the better player, especially now, but they are performing to similar levels. Please, before anybody has a go, remember what the word "similar" means. It does not mean the same (I'm looking at you Wahl), for when that inevitable comment comes.
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No, you literally said this:
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Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.’
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So where does that say Firmino is better than Kane? Or does it essentially say they are working at similar levels.
Or I'll correct myself and say Kane is a slightly better version of Firmino from a couple of years ago. Performing at a similar level, playing a fairly similar role, but with Kane having more impressive stats.
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comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never actually said Firmino was better than Kane if you read what I put, I said that Kane is performing to a similar, but probably better, level than Firmino of a couple of seasons ago, probably due to the fact Kane has more impressive stats. But stats will never tell the full story anyway.
I would say Kane is the better player, especially now, but they are performing to similar levels. Please, before anybody has a go, remember what the word "similar" means. It does not mean the same (I'm looking at you Wahl), for when that inevitable comment comes.
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No, you literally said this:
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Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.’
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He’s explained what he meant. I got it, but it seems you and Wahl either don’t understand or are wilfully ignoring it for the sake of an argument.
Either way, the fact you’re in the same script as Wahl should be setting all kinds of alarm bells in your head.
You don’t have to agree with every Liverpool fan Term, you can have your own opinion.
Is Kane operating at a ‘similar level’ to what Firmino was a few years back? No, he quite clearly is operating at a level above, unless Firmino had the most productive season (or even close) in PL history because that is what Kane is on course for currently.
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by Beckenbauer Wear Adidas Mick Keanes (U1308)
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Beckenbauer Wear Adidas Mick Keanes (U1308)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by Beckenbauer Wear Adidas Mick Keanes (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Mane and Sterling.
Mane is currently best player in league.
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You typo'd Kane. Easy to do though with K being close to M.
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Nope, its Mane. By some distance he is a better player than Kane at this time.
And I am no fan of Liverpool either
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Mane been better last couple of seasons partly cause Kane was injured. Kane better than ever now and has been the better overall player. 7 assists and 5 goals to Mane's 1 assist and 4 goals so far.
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Oh, its goals alone....Okay, then by a country mile DCL is better than Kane. simple logic.
Or use your eyes and see that Mane is the best player in the league at the moment.
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Why you've taken it as just goals, when I mentioned assists as well, I don't know. Anyway, there's more to Kane than those things, it's his all round game, including getting back and defending. Not that Mane doesn't have more strings to his bow either but let's face it Kane Has been head and shoulders more consistent than Mane since his breakthrough season. He has been the better overall player, and right now is operating at a level that is above Mane.
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You a spurs fan by any chance? Kane hasnt lived up to the standards he set at the WC in 2018. See him slowly being withdrawn from the front by Jose. Could be pushing TAA for the best RB in the league soon....but let me guess, the spurs RB is better.
posted on 29/10/20
Kane isn't performing to a level above Mane's. You cannot tell me because Kane has added more assists to his game and because his overall game has changed/improved that he has now suddenly become better than Mane, because he hasn't. Just because Kane is capable of doing something other than scoring goals, does not make him a better player.
If you look at what Mane does more often, how he does it and what impact that has on the Liverpool team, you'll realise who the better player is at what they do. Mane is by no means a one trick pony either by his own accounts, but what he brings is something more than what Kane brings.
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.
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comment by Beckenbauer Wear Adidas Mick Keanes (U1308)
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comment by Beckenbauer Wear Adidas Mick Keanes (U1308)
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comment by Beckenbauer Wear Adidas Mick Keanes (U1308)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Mane and Sterling.
Mane is currently best player in league.
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You typo'd Kane. Easy to do though with K being close to M.
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Nope, its Mane. By some distance he is a better player than Kane at this time.
And I am no fan of Liverpool either
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Mane been better last couple of seasons partly cause Kane was injured. Kane better than ever now and has been the better overall player. 7 assists and 5 goals to Mane's 1 assist and 4 goals so far.
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Oh, its goals alone....Okay, then by a country mile DCL is better than Kane. simple logic.
Or use your eyes and see that Mane is the best player in the league at the moment.
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Why you've taken it as just goals, when I mentioned assists as well, I don't know. Anyway, there's more to Kane than those things, it's his all round game, including getting back and defending. Not that Mane doesn't have more strings to his bow either but let's face it Kane Has been head and shoulders more consistent than Mane since his breakthrough season. He has been the better overall player, and right now is operating at a level that is above Mane.
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You a spurs fan by any chance? Kane hasnt lived up to the standards he set at the WC in 2018. See him slowly being withdrawn from the front by Jose. Could be pushing TAA for the best RB in the league soon....but let me guess, the spurs RB is better.
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Yeah I am a Spurs fan but I don't see how it's biased, more just obvious. I even generously said Mane had been better the last couple of seasons.
Kane has 7 assists and 5 goals so far this season showing some sublime passing range (which he has shown for years by the way), has been regularly scoring goals for 7 seasons in all competitions, got 2 Golden Boots in the league, and would probably have got 2 more if not for injury, but he is miles behind Mane who has only really turned World Class in the last couple of years? Yeah, ok mate. Wahl is right, you are deluded.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 4 minutes ago
Kane isn't performing to a level above Mane's. You cannot tell me because Kane has added more assists to his game and because his overall game has changed/improved that he has now suddenly become better than Mane, because he hasn't. Just because Kane is capable of doing something other than scoring goals, does not make him a better player.
If you look at what Mane does more often, how he does it and what impact that has on the Liverpool team, you'll realise who the better player is at what they do. Mane is by no means a one trick pony either by his own accounts, but what he brings is something more than what Kane brings.
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.
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To say Kane is currently at Firmino's level of a few seasons ago is laughable. Kane has been one of the best players in the league for years, longer than any of Liverpool's front 3. To say he's suddenly surpassing Mane based on what he's doing this season so far clearly isn't telling the full story.
Not taking anything away from Mane, he is one of the league's best players. But what Kane is doing currently, as well as his consistency over the last decade puts him ahead IMO.
posted on 29/10/20
Mane makes the most of his physical attributes. I’d Say Kane was the better though.
posted on 29/10/20
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability.
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o.O
KANE = FIRMINO?!?!?!?!?!
Is this real life? Are Liverpool fans this biased and deluded! Absolutely Outrageous. I suppose Maguire is as good as Van Dijk and Mendy is as good as Alisson? Hell Callum Hudson Odoi = Salah if you think Firmino = Kane.
posted on 29/10/20
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 4 hours, 54 minutes ago
World Class:
Sadio Mane
Alisson
Bruno Fernandes
Heung-Min Son
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I'd agree with this and would probably add Robertson as he is a quality defender and excellent going forward too.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 18 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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No, you didn't just read that, in fact you obviously didn't read it at all.
I said Kane is essentially doing what Firmino did a couple of seasons ago with Liverpool. Linking the play up, getting assists, providing for faster players like Son, Moura, Bergwijn, Bale etc (similar to Mane and Salah), but with more goals to his game than what Firmino did. Kane nowadays is a similar player to what Firmino was/is, but with more goals to his game. As I say, at a similar level in terms of importance to the team and in terms of what they do for the team. Yes, Kane is the better player than Firmino, but not as good as what Mane does.
Like I say, just because Kane has added more depth to his game doesn't mean he is better at that than what Mane offers.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 19 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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Firmino is a classy player and has been key to the way LFC play but because he does a few tricks, the odd no-look tap in etc he seems to get ranked as this world class striker.
Last season, in their title winning season, crushing all before them he managed 9 goals having appeared in every single league game, and managed just 1 at Anfield. Also 8 assists which is his best return. These are not the stats of a world class striker or one who is at the level of Harry Kane has scored 2 every 3 games on average for 6 seasons. Kane is already this season just 5 goals and 1 assist of surpassing Firmino's record last season. Whatever Kane achieves this season it will blow Firmino's best season stats out of the water.
Mane is a different sort of player so hard to compare them really. He deserved the POTY last season over VVD IMO because actually Salah & Frimino were not performing at the same high level of previous seasons whereas Mane stepped it up and maintained amazing form all season. He also works hard for the team as well.. He's more comparable to Son IMO and has performed more consistently than Son. May be Son will step it up this season to challenge Mane's quality and that looks possible based on the start he's made.
posted on 29/10/20
Kane vs Firmino isn't an argument worth having. The answer is obviously Kane.
Kane vs Mane, again I'd say Kane, but I can see people having that debate. What's ridiculous is the Liverpool fan who said Mane is a level above Kane. That's completely absurd.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 14 minutes ago
Kane vs Firmino isn't an argument worth having. The answer is obviously Kane.
Kane vs Mane, again I'd say Kane, but I can see people having that debate. What's ridiculous is the Liverpool fan who said Mane is a level above Kane. That's completely absurd.
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As I say, I'd rather have Kane now than Firmino. Firmino has been more than what stats are in terms of goals and assists. Sometimes numbers don't have to make you a world class player which is what people fail to see in a player like Firmino, although admittedly he hasn't been as good as he was for a good year now.
Mane is a world class at what he does. Kane is top class at what he does. Kane has only been talked about as potentially THE best basically since the back end of last season. Kane has the potential to be a world class player, something to prove as of yet though. Mane has proven why he was and still is.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 19 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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Firmino is a classy player and has been key to the way LFC play but because he does a few tricks, the odd no-look tap in etc he seems to get ranked as this world class striker.
Last season, in their title winning season, crushing all before them he managed 9 goals having appeared in every single league game, and managed just 1 at Anfield. Also 8 assists which is his best return. These are not the stats of a world class striker or one who is at the level of Harry Kane has scored 2 every 3 games on average for 6 seasons. Kane is already this season just 5 goals and 1 assist of surpassing Firmino's record last season. Whatever Kane achieves this season it will blow Firmino's best season stats out of the water.
Mane is a different sort of player so hard to compare them really. He deserved the POTY last season over VVD IMO because actually Salah & Frimino were not performing at the same high level of previous seasons whereas Mane stepped it up and maintained amazing form all season. He also works hard for the team as well.. He's more comparable to Son IMO and has performed more consistently than Son. May be Son will step it up this season to challenge Mane's quality and that looks possible based on the start he's made.
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I’m not sure anyone’s put Firmino into the WC category on here, have they? Don’t fall into Wahl’s trap, he’s just making things up again.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 27 minutes ago
Kane vs Firmino isn't an argument worth having. The answer is obviously Kane.
Kane vs Mane, again I'd say Kane, but I can see people having that debate. What's ridiculous is the Liverpool fan who said Mane is a level above Kane. That's completely absurd.
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Come on, who’s done Kane v Firmino? All I’ve seen is someone saying that Kane is bringing other players into the game more, which is something he seems to be doing more this season than ever before. It’s what Firmino has done his whole career at Liverpool.
No one’s seriously suggesting he’s better than Kane. You need to stop making things up, and peeing your y-fronts.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 19 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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Firmino is a classy player and has been key to the way LFC play but because he does a few tricks, the odd no-look tap in etc he seems to get ranked as this world class striker.
Last season, in their title winning season, crushing all before them he managed 9 goals having appeared in every single league game, and managed just 1 at Anfield. Also 8 assists which is his best return. These are not the stats of a world class striker or one who is at the level of Harry Kane has scored 2 every 3 games on average for 6 seasons. Kane is already this season just 5 goals and 1 assist of surpassing Firmino's record last season. Whatever Kane achieves this season it will blow Firmino's best season stats out of the water.
Mane is a different sort of player so hard to compare them really. He deserved the POTY last season over VVD IMO because actually Salah & Frimino were not performing at the same high level of previous seasons whereas Mane stepped it up and maintained amazing form all season. He also works hard for the team as well.. He's more comparable to Son IMO and has performed more consistently than Son. May be Son will step it up this season to challenge Mane's quality and that looks possible based on the start he's made.
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I’m not sure anyone’s put Firmino into the WC category on here, have they? Don’t fall into Wahl’s trap, he’s just making things up again.
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"Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago"
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 19 minutes ago
Firmino
Not even top 5 strikers in the league, Maybe just about makes a top 10. Absolute delusion, I'm lost for words, did I really just read that? Incredible.
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Firmino is a classy player and has been key to the way LFC play but because he does a few tricks, the odd no-look tap in etc he seems to get ranked as this world class striker.
Last season, in their title winning season, crushing all before them he managed 9 goals having appeared in every single league game, and managed just 1 at Anfield. Also 8 assists which is his best return. These are not the stats of a world class striker or one who is at the level of Harry Kane has scored 2 every 3 games on average for 6 seasons. Kane is already this season just 5 goals and 1 assist of surpassing Firmino's record last season. Whatever Kane achieves this season it will blow Firmino's best season stats out of the water.
Mane is a different sort of player so hard to compare them really. He deserved the POTY last season over VVD IMO because actually Salah & Frimino were not performing at the same high level of previous seasons whereas Mane stepped it up and maintained amazing form all season. He also works hard for the team as well.. He's more comparable to Son IMO and has performed more consistently than Son. May be Son will step it up this season to challenge Mane's quality and that looks possible based on the start he's made.
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I’m not sure anyone’s put Firmino into the WC category on here, have they? Don’t fall into Wahl’s trap, he’s just making things up again.
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"Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago"
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That has nothing to do with Firmino being world class. Do you make stuff up for a living?
posted on 29/10/20
Is Kane not world class?
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 27 minutes ago
Kane vs Firmino isn't an argument worth having. The answer is obviously Kane.
Kane vs Mane, again I'd say Kane, but I can see people having that debate. What's ridiculous is the Liverpool fan who said Mane is a level above Kane. That's completely absurd.
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Come on, who’s done Kane v Firmino? All I’ve seen is someone saying that Kane is bringing other players into the game more, which is something he seems to be doing more this season than ever before. It’s what Firmino has done his whole career at Liverpool.
No one’s seriously suggesting he’s better than Kane. You need to stop making things up, and peeing your y-fronts.
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JustYourAverageFan literally does this.
There are so many bad takes regarding Kane, it’s ridiculous. Firmino isn’t on his level and never has been, it’s not much of an insult to Firmino, he hasn’t ever been on Lewandowski or Suarez’s level either - doesn’t make him a bad player.
Kane has probably been the best player this season in the league so far, that’s not a particularly outrageous shout. No player has ever had more goals and assists by this point in the season in PL history, the numbers he is putting up is pretty special and he is doing much more than goals and assists.
Who is better between Mane and Kane is a tough one and a bit more subjective. Peak Kane vs Peak Mane is close - but the last three years Mane has been the superior performer quite easily and between him and KDB for the best player in the league. He is an incredible player.
posted on 29/10/20
I never actually said Firmino was better than Kane if you read what I put, I said that Kane is performing to a similar, but probably better, level than Firmino of a couple of seasons ago, probably due to the fact Kane has more impressive stats. But stats will never tell the full story anyway.
I would say Kane is the better player, especially now, but they are performing to similar levels. Please, before anybody has a go, remember what the word "similar" means. It does not mean the same (I'm looking at you Wahl), for when that inevitable comment comes.
posted on 29/10/20
Similar level meaning they're both professional footballers in the top tier of English football yes.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never actually said Firmino was better than Kane if you read what I put, I said that Kane is performing to a similar, but probably better, level than Firmino of a couple of seasons ago, probably due to the fact Kane has more impressive stats. But stats will never tell the full story anyway.
I would say Kane is the better player, especially now, but they are performing to similar levels. Please, before anybody has a go, remember what the word "similar" means. It does not mean the same (I'm looking at you Wahl), for when that inevitable comment comes.
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No, you literally said this:
‘
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.’
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never actually said Firmino was better than Kane if you read what I put, I said that Kane is performing to a similar, but probably better, level than Firmino of a couple of seasons ago, probably due to the fact Kane has more impressive stats. But stats will never tell the full story anyway.
I would say Kane is the better player, especially now, but they are performing to similar levels. Please, before anybody has a go, remember what the word "similar" means. It does not mean the same (I'm looking at you Wahl), for when that inevitable comment comes.
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No, you literally said this:
‘
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.’
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So where does that say Firmino is better than Kane? Or does it essentially say they are working at similar levels.
posted on 29/10/20
Or I'll correct myself and say Kane is a slightly better version of Firmino from a couple of years ago. Performing at a similar level, playing a fairly similar role, but with Kane having more impressive stats.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 5 minutes ago
I never actually said Firmino was better than Kane if you read what I put, I said that Kane is performing to a similar, but probably better, level than Firmino of a couple of seasons ago, probably due to the fact Kane has more impressive stats. But stats will never tell the full story anyway.
I would say Kane is the better player, especially now, but they are performing to similar levels. Please, before anybody has a go, remember what the word "similar" means. It does not mean the same (I'm looking at you Wahl), for when that inevitable comment comes.
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No, you literally said this:
‘
Kane is essentially working at what Firmino's level was a few seasons ago, being a similar player but with a more natural goalscoring ability. Firmino was always regarded as an underrated, crucial player, but not on the same level as Mane and Salah.’
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He’s explained what he meant. I got it, but it seems you and Wahl either don’t understand or are wilfully ignoring it for the sake of an argument.
Either way, the fact you’re in the same script as Wahl should be setting all kinds of alarm bells in your head.
posted on 29/10/20
You don’t have to agree with every Liverpool fan Term, you can have your own opinion.
Is Kane operating at a ‘similar level’ to what Firmino was a few years back? No, he quite clearly is operating at a level above, unless Firmino had the most productive season (or even close) in PL history because that is what Kane is on course for currently.
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