Id agree that Robertson is the better all rounder, but again wouldn't consider him world class.
Alex Telles isn't actually that good a full back, let alone top class or even world class. How him and Robertson come under the same sentence in beyond me. Juan Bernat is the same, he'd nowhere near better than Robertson.
Robertson gets into every team in the world at this moment in time, as does TAA, I wouldn't be too sure that would be up for much debate either.
TAA's primary role is not to defend in the role that he plays.
What do people deem as world class? For me I’d say top 5 in their position and Robertson definitely fits that description
Robertson gets into every team in the world at this moment in time,
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I suppose Jordan Henderson and James Milner do too
Wahl there is having a different opinion, then there is being a WUM, you honestly are the latter.
Like I say, Robertson gets into every side in the world at the moment at LB. The fact you even think the likes of Telles and Bernat are better probably means that any maybe's that you'd list are probably not even worth listening to.
Are we talking about Robertson here or Prime Ashley Cole, jesus....
I think you've just judged this one wrong Wahl that's all. In fairness as well, I can't say I've seen many other posters think the same as you either.
Robertson is absolutely the best left back going.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 42 minutes ago
Robertson would not start for all the elite teams in europe. Alphonso Davies, Alba, Bernat and Alex Sandro are all better than him.
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Again, you’re just listing names by default. Davies is the only one who is on Robertson’s level and he has only been performing at that level for a year. Sandro and Alba have not been his best for 2-3 years now and most fans want them dropped. Bernat for last 18 months barely even a regular starter for PSG.
Is it that hard to admit that TAA and Robertson are amongst the best full backs in Europe, as is backed up by their records, influence and success over last 2.5 seasons. To me it is objective fact backed up with clear evidence that they’re on that level, I don’t even get why so many fans bother arguing otherwise. With respect, but come on. It’s almost at a point of literally what more could they do to be seen on that level.
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 39 minutes ago
Id agree that Robertson is the better all rounder, but again wouldn't consider him world class.
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Who are your world class full backs in the world right now and why are TAA and Robertson not on that level?
FB's are primarily defenders. TAA isn't a good defender.
Robertson, I believe is the better of the 2 and could maybe be considered world class.
Marcelo isn’t/wasn’t a good defender. Dani Alves wasn’t a good defender. Roberto Carlos wasn’t a good defender. Three of the best full-backs ever. Simplistic and outdated rationale. Literally every single elite team for the last 10 years at least have played with at least one attacking full back, they’re key to being a great side. I ask again, which full backs do you consider world class right now and specifically what is it they do better than what TAA and Robertson have achieved over the last 2+ years?
Disagree about Dani Alves, he was a very good defender.
Yeah Dani Alves was a fantastic defender, best fullback I’ve ever seen
IF Robertson is world class, why is he useless for Scotland?
World Class players elevate those around them, no?
Is it possible that maybe Liverpool's system makes him look better than he is?
Fair enough. He certainly gets his fair share of criticism about his defending as well. I don’t think he was as bad was made out (eg. The more hyperbolic claims along lines he ‘can’t defend at all&rsquo, I’d class him as decent/average defensively though, not very good.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 35 seconds ago
IF Robertson is world class, why is he useless for Scotland?
World Class players elevate those around them, no?
Is it possible that maybe Liverpool's system makes him look better than he is?
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Literally all the ‘world class’ full backs you have mentioned that are supposedly better than Robertson have had little-no impact on their international team. It’s scraping the barrel stuff here.
Most of it was unfounded, he was a very good defender. The only full back I’ve seen handle Ronaldo as well as Dani Alves used to was Ashley Cole. And the Ronaldo Alves used to face was a more difficult player to play against.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 4 minutes ago
IF Robertson is world class, why is he useless for Scotland?
World Class players elevate those around them, no?
Is it possible that maybe Liverpool's system makes him look better than he is?
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You used this negligible argument yesterday I think as well, so I will respond accordingly.
Does that make Messi not a world class player because he doesn't elevate the Argentina squad around him?
Liverpool's system plays to the strengths of the full backs as well as the team. The system doesn't make him look better than he is, he makes the system as good as it is because his quality is good enough to do the job it is meant to do, hence why he has consistently played, been praised, won trophies and got assists over the last 2-3 seasons.
Jordi Alba not World Class for Spain? Telles and Sandro I assume could never get in the team ahead of Marcelo who was absolutely world class in his prime btw and two or three levels above Andy furrrking Robertson
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 4 minutes ago
IF Robertson is world class, why is he useless for Scotland?
World Class players elevate those around them, no?
Is it possible that maybe Liverpool's system makes him look better than he is?
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You used this negligible argument yesterday I think as well, so I will respond accordingly.
Does that make Messi not a world class player because he doesn't elevate the Argentina squad around him?
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Messi only carried Argentina to a World Cup final...
Generous with the word carried. Didn’t score once in the knock out stages.
That Argentina team wouldn't have gotten past the last 16 (being generous there) without Messi. Aguero wasn't playing well and they had no one else.
It was built on their defence and Mascherano being brilliant. Di Maria and Higuain scored their only two goals of the knock out stages and Messi didn’t do much at all. They conceded once, in et of the final. You’re talking shiiiiiit, Wahldude.
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posted on 30/10/20
Id agree that Robertson is the better all rounder, but again wouldn't consider him world class.
posted on 30/10/20
Alex Telles isn't actually that good a full back, let alone top class or even world class. How him and Robertson come under the same sentence in beyond me. Juan Bernat is the same, he'd nowhere near better than Robertson.
Robertson gets into every team in the world at this moment in time, as does TAA, I wouldn't be too sure that would be up for much debate either.
TAA's primary role is not to defend in the role that he plays.
posted on 30/10/20
What do people deem as world class? For me I’d say top 5 in their position and Robertson definitely fits that description
posted on 30/10/20
Robertson gets into every team in the world at this moment in time,
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I suppose Jordan Henderson and James Milner do too
posted on 30/10/20
Wahl there is having a different opinion, then there is being a WUM, you honestly are the latter.
Like I say, Robertson gets into every side in the world at the moment at LB. The fact you even think the likes of Telles and Bernat are better probably means that any maybe's that you'd list are probably not even worth listening to.
posted on 30/10/20
Are we talking about Robertson here or Prime Ashley Cole, jesus....
posted on 30/10/20
I think you've just judged this one wrong Wahl that's all. In fairness as well, I can't say I've seen many other posters think the same as you either.
posted on 30/10/20
Robertson is absolutely the best left back going.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 42 minutes ago
Robertson would not start for all the elite teams in europe. Alphonso Davies, Alba, Bernat and Alex Sandro are all better than him.
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Again, you’re just listing names by default. Davies is the only one who is on Robertson’s level and he has only been performing at that level for a year. Sandro and Alba have not been his best for 2-3 years now and most fans want them dropped. Bernat for last 18 months barely even a regular starter for PSG.
Is it that hard to admit that TAA and Robertson are amongst the best full backs in Europe, as is backed up by their records, influence and success over last 2.5 seasons. To me it is objective fact backed up with clear evidence that they’re on that level, I don’t even get why so many fans bother arguing otherwise. With respect, but come on. It’s almost at a point of literally what more could they do to be seen on that level.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 39 minutes ago
Id agree that Robertson is the better all rounder, but again wouldn't consider him world class.
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Who are your world class full backs in the world right now and why are TAA and Robertson not on that level?
posted on 30/10/20
FB's are primarily defenders. TAA isn't a good defender.
Robertson, I believe is the better of the 2 and could maybe be considered world class.
posted on 30/10/20
Marcelo isn’t/wasn’t a good defender. Dani Alves wasn’t a good defender. Roberto Carlos wasn’t a good defender. Three of the best full-backs ever. Simplistic and outdated rationale. Literally every single elite team for the last 10 years at least have played with at least one attacking full back, they’re key to being a great side. I ask again, which full backs do you consider world class right now and specifically what is it they do better than what TAA and Robertson have achieved over the last 2+ years?
posted on 30/10/20
Disagree about Dani Alves, he was a very good defender.
posted on 30/10/20
Yeah Dani Alves was a fantastic defender, best fullback I’ve ever seen
posted on 30/10/20
IF Robertson is world class, why is he useless for Scotland?
World Class players elevate those around them, no?
Is it possible that maybe Liverpool's system makes him look better than he is?
posted on 30/10/20
Fair enough. He certainly gets his fair share of criticism about his defending as well. I don’t think he was as bad was made out (eg. The more hyperbolic claims along lines he ‘can’t defend at all&rsquo, I’d class him as decent/average defensively though, not very good.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 35 seconds ago
IF Robertson is world class, why is he useless for Scotland?
World Class players elevate those around them, no?
Is it possible that maybe Liverpool's system makes him look better than he is?
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Literally all the ‘world class’ full backs you have mentioned that are supposedly better than Robertson have had little-no impact on their international team. It’s scraping the barrel stuff here.
posted on 30/10/20
Most of it was unfounded, he was a very good defender. The only full back I’ve seen handle Ronaldo as well as Dani Alves used to was Ashley Cole. And the Ronaldo Alves used to face was a more difficult player to play against.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 4 minutes ago
IF Robertson is world class, why is he useless for Scotland?
World Class players elevate those around them, no?
Is it possible that maybe Liverpool's system makes him look better than he is?
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You used this negligible argument yesterday I think as well, so I will respond accordingly.
Does that make Messi not a world class player because he doesn't elevate the Argentina squad around him?
posted on 30/10/20
Liverpool's system plays to the strengths of the full backs as well as the team. The system doesn't make him look better than he is, he makes the system as good as it is because his quality is good enough to do the job it is meant to do, hence why he has consistently played, been praised, won trophies and got assists over the last 2-3 seasons.
posted on 30/10/20
Jordi Alba not World Class for Spain? Telles and Sandro I assume could never get in the team ahead of Marcelo who was absolutely world class in his prime btw and two or three levels above Andy furrrking Robertson
posted on 30/10/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 4 minutes ago
IF Robertson is world class, why is he useless for Scotland?
World Class players elevate those around them, no?
Is it possible that maybe Liverpool's system makes him look better than he is?
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You used this negligible argument yesterday I think as well, so I will respond accordingly.
Does that make Messi not a world class player because he doesn't elevate the Argentina squad around him?
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Messi only carried Argentina to a World Cup final...
posted on 30/10/20
Generous with the word carried. Didn’t score once in the knock out stages.
posted on 30/10/20
That Argentina team wouldn't have gotten past the last 16 (being generous there) without Messi. Aguero wasn't playing well and they had no one else.
posted on 30/10/20
It was built on their defence and Mascherano being brilliant. Di Maria and Higuain scored their only two goals of the knock out stages and Messi didn’t do much at all. They conceded once, in et of the final. You’re talking shiiiiiit, Wahldude.
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