comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
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comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
You don’t have to agree with every Liverpool fan Term, you can have your own opinion.
Is Kane operating at a ‘similar level’ to what Firmino was a few years back? No, he quite clearly is operating at a level above, unless Firmino had the most productive season (or even close) in PL history because that is what Kane is on course for currently.
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I think the point was firmino plays a deeper role linking play instead of at the tip of the attack. Lane has played deeper under Jose and there are similarities but I don't think anyone would suggest he is a better finisher than Kane.
Kane wouldn't be ideal for Pool due to his pace but he is world class. Mane would be a beast for spurs but he wouldn't have the attacking freedom he does at pool as a left attacker. Different attributes. Both deadly. Best fit for your team is the one fans will sway towards.
Kane is shearer mk 2 and a rarity nowadays in the PL. Mane has insane energy levels and can create a goal from nothing. Both could go up levels too.
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His point was that Kane and Firmino were at a similar level which is why he admitted that.
I also disagree with your Kane and Mane posts; both would improve each club significantly. Spurs would be title challengers with Mane in the front line and Liverpool would be unstoppable with Kane; even better than they are.
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comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 21 minutes ago
Id say TAA could be a world class winger given his delivery, but defensively he is shocking. Constantly got in behind and dawdling around.
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This.
As a defender no where world class
I think Mane is comfortably your best player and always has been actually. On top of being super productive, he tends to step up in the tougher games more than even Salah and his ability to carry the ball from deep into the attacking third is one of the main reasons why you don’t need an attacking mid.
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comment by *GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 12 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 10 minutes ago
Id say TAA could be a world class winger given his delivery, but defensively he is shocking. Constantly got in behind and dawdling around.
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Its not 2018.
He hasn't been great so far this season, but none of our defensive players have. Last season i doubt you can find 3 goals across 50 plus games that were down to anything he did wrong. He isn't a great defender but he certainly isn't shocking. His positioning when the ball is on the other side of the pitch is very good.
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I disagree.
My mate is a Liverpool fan and we have had this debate re TAA, so iv watched TAA very closely.
He isn’t a good defender in any sense of the word. Constantly caught out to high up the pitch or having drifted inside. He is quite poor in the air and weak in he challenge.
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by *GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 12 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 10 minutes ago
Id say TAA could be a world class winger given his delivery, but defensively he is shocking. Constantly got in behind and dawdling around.
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Its not 2018.
He hasn't been great so far this season, but none of our defensive players have. Last season i doubt you can find 3 goals across 50 plus games that were down to anything he did wrong. He isn't a great defender but he certainly isn't shocking. His positioning when the ball is on the other side of the pitch is very good.
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I disagree.
My mate is a Liverpool fan and we have had this debate re TAA, so iv watched TAA very closely.
He isn’t a good defender in any sense of the word. Constantly caught out to high up the pitch or having drifted inside. He is quite poor in the air and weak in he challenge.
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I've watched TAA virtually every game, and I've said this before, he isn't great but he's improving. Still has a tendency to get caught out but I don't see as many errors directly down his side as what I used to do. Not to say he has become a good defender, but he isn't as poor as he used to be.
Looking at his physique (and full backs in general really), what full backs at the top level have ever really been good in the air anyway? Wouldn't say he is necessarily weak in the challenge, think that is being a little harsh.
Him and Robertson are not going to be your new Phillip Lahm's, Lillian Thuram's, Patrice Evra's etc in terms of their defensive abilities, but if you don't think either of them are world class full backs then you need to have a rethink.
Full back is a defensive role. You have said yourself TAA isn’t great, so how is he world class?
Think you need to read into modern football a little bit more if I'm honest.
Dani Alves was world class, defending was not his strong point though was it. I could probably sit here and rattle off many, many names from the last decade of world class full backs where defensively they are not as sound as some from the turn of the century, that doesn't make them not world class does it.
You don't have to be the complete player in your position to be world class.
I’m not about tomorrow, but if I was, I would do a thread commenting on TAA’s game as it happens.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 seconds ago
Think you need to read into modern football a little bit more if I'm honest.
Dani Alves was world class, defending was not his strong point though was it. I could probably sit here and rattle off many, many names from the last decade of world class full backs where defensively they are not as sound as some from the turn of the century, that doesn't make them not world class does it.
You don't have to be the complete player in your position to be world class.
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Are you suggesting you don’t need to be a very good defender to be considered a world class defender ?
I'm saying you don't have to be fantastic at everything to be considered a world class player, otherwise nobody would be.
TAA isn't a "bad" defender. Not the best, but improving. If he wasn't a good enough defender, he wouldn't be playing at the level he is. People just compare his defensive ability with the attacking side of his game which is quite clearly stronger.
Like I've said with Dani Alves, I think most would put him down as a world class full back, but not so sound defensively.
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 seconds ago
Think you need to read into modern football a little bit more if I'm honest.
Dani Alves was world class, defending was not his strong point though was it. I could probably sit here and rattle off many, many names from the last decade of world class full backs where defensively they are not as sound as some from the turn of the century, that doesn't make them not world class does it.
You don't have to be the complete player in your position to be world class.
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Are you suggesting you don’t need to be a very good defender to be considered a world class defender ?
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Not when his primary function in the team is to attack.
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 38 minutes ago
Full back is a defensive role. You have said yourself TAA isn’t great, so how is he world class?
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No it isn’t, it’s just been viewed as a defensive role in this country for the last few decades. In some countries like Brazil the role is considered completely differently.
In the modern game it's 100% not a defensive role anymore.
It’s not even necessarily a defence role as the likes of Marcelo have proven.
TAA would start and be a key player for all the elite sides in Europe. Same with Robertson. Robertson in 11 games this season - 6 assists, 2 goals. Tends to be just behind TAA’s assists tallies each season and like most can apprehend he is also a generally good defender in his own right at the same time as his offensive output.
Robertson would not start for all the elite teams in europe. Alphonso Davies, Alba, Bernat and Alex Sandro are all better than him.
Alex Telles is better than Robertson as well.
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 seconds ago
Think you need to read into modern football a little bit more if I'm honest.
Dani Alves was world class, defending was not his strong point though was it. I could probably sit here and rattle off many, many names from the last decade of world class full backs where defensively they are not as sound as some from the turn of the century, that doesn't make them not world class does it.
You don't have to be the complete player in your position to be world class.
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Are you suggesting you don’t need to be a very good defender to be considered a world class defender ?
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Not when his primary function in the team is to attack.
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But it isn't is it. He is a defender given licence to get forward, but primarily he is a defender.
I mean, hell, Bayern have two left backs better than Robertson. Davies and Alaba.
I disagree.
My mate is a Liverpool fan and we have had this debate re TAA, so iv watched TAA very closely.
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posted on 29/10/20
& now Thiago
posted on 29/10/20
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
You don’t have to agree with every Liverpool fan Term, you can have your own opinion.
Is Kane operating at a ‘similar level’ to what Firmino was a few years back? No, he quite clearly is operating at a level above, unless Firmino had the most productive season (or even close) in PL history because that is what Kane is on course for currently.
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I think the point was firmino plays a deeper role linking play instead of at the tip of the attack. Lane has played deeper under Jose and there are similarities but I don't think anyone would suggest he is a better finisher than Kane.
Kane wouldn't be ideal for Pool due to his pace but he is world class. Mane would be a beast for spurs but he wouldn't have the attacking freedom he does at pool as a left attacker. Different attributes. Both deadly. Best fit for your team is the one fans will sway towards.
Kane is shearer mk 2 and a rarity nowadays in the PL. Mane has insane energy levels and can create a goal from nothing. Both could go up levels too.
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His point was that Kane and Firmino were at a similar level which is why he admitted that.
I also disagree with your Kane and Mane posts; both would improve each club significantly. Spurs would be title challengers with Mane in the front line and Liverpool would be unstoppable with Kane; even better than they are.
posted on 29/10/20
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posted on 29/10/20
Yeah forgot about him.
posted on 29/10/20
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 21 minutes ago
Id say TAA could be a world class winger given his delivery, but defensively he is shocking. Constantly got in behind and dawdling around.
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This.
As a defender no where world class
posted on 29/10/20
I think Mane is comfortably your best player and always has been actually. On top of being super productive, he tends to step up in the tougher games more than even Salah and his ability to carry the ball from deep into the attacking third is one of the main reasons why you don’t need an attacking mid.
posted on 29/10/20
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posted on 30/10/20
comment by *GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 12 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 10 minutes ago
Id say TAA could be a world class winger given his delivery, but defensively he is shocking. Constantly got in behind and dawdling around.
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Its not 2018.
He hasn't been great so far this season, but none of our defensive players have. Last season i doubt you can find 3 goals across 50 plus games that were down to anything he did wrong. He isn't a great defender but he certainly isn't shocking. His positioning when the ball is on the other side of the pitch is very good.
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I disagree.
My mate is a Liverpool fan and we have had this debate re TAA, so iv watched TAA very closely.
He isn’t a good defender in any sense of the word. Constantly caught out to high up the pitch or having drifted inside. He is quite poor in the air and weak in he challenge.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by *GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 12 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 10 minutes ago
Id say TAA could be a world class winger given his delivery, but defensively he is shocking. Constantly got in behind and dawdling around.
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Its not 2018.
He hasn't been great so far this season, but none of our defensive players have. Last season i doubt you can find 3 goals across 50 plus games that were down to anything he did wrong. He isn't a great defender but he certainly isn't shocking. His positioning when the ball is on the other side of the pitch is very good.
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I disagree.
My mate is a Liverpool fan and we have had this debate re TAA, so iv watched TAA very closely.
He isn’t a good defender in any sense of the word. Constantly caught out to high up the pitch or having drifted inside. He is quite poor in the air and weak in he challenge.
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I've watched TAA virtually every game, and I've said this before, he isn't great but he's improving. Still has a tendency to get caught out but I don't see as many errors directly down his side as what I used to do. Not to say he has become a good defender, but he isn't as poor as he used to be.
Looking at his physique (and full backs in general really), what full backs at the top level have ever really been good in the air anyway? Wouldn't say he is necessarily weak in the challenge, think that is being a little harsh.
Him and Robertson are not going to be your new Phillip Lahm's, Lillian Thuram's, Patrice Evra's etc in terms of their defensive abilities, but if you don't think either of them are world class full backs then you need to have a rethink.
posted on 30/10/20
Full back is a defensive role. You have said yourself TAA isn’t great, so how is he world class?
posted on 30/10/20
Think you need to read into modern football a little bit more if I'm honest.
Dani Alves was world class, defending was not his strong point though was it. I could probably sit here and rattle off many, many names from the last decade of world class full backs where defensively they are not as sound as some from the turn of the century, that doesn't make them not world class does it.
You don't have to be the complete player in your position to be world class.
posted on 30/10/20
I’m not about tomorrow, but if I was, I would do a thread commenting on TAA’s game as it happens.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 seconds ago
Think you need to read into modern football a little bit more if I'm honest.
Dani Alves was world class, defending was not his strong point though was it. I could probably sit here and rattle off many, many names from the last decade of world class full backs where defensively they are not as sound as some from the turn of the century, that doesn't make them not world class does it.
You don't have to be the complete player in your position to be world class.
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Are you suggesting you don’t need to be a very good defender to be considered a world class defender ?
posted on 30/10/20
I'm saying you don't have to be fantastic at everything to be considered a world class player, otherwise nobody would be.
TAA isn't a "bad" defender. Not the best, but improving. If he wasn't a good enough defender, he wouldn't be playing at the level he is. People just compare his defensive ability with the attacking side of his game which is quite clearly stronger.
Like I've said with Dani Alves, I think most would put him down as a world class full back, but not so sound defensively.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 seconds ago
Think you need to read into modern football a little bit more if I'm honest.
Dani Alves was world class, defending was not his strong point though was it. I could probably sit here and rattle off many, many names from the last decade of world class full backs where defensively they are not as sound as some from the turn of the century, that doesn't make them not world class does it.
You don't have to be the complete player in your position to be world class.
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Are you suggesting you don’t need to be a very good defender to be considered a world class defender ?
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Not when his primary function in the team is to attack.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 38 minutes ago
Full back is a defensive role. You have said yourself TAA isn’t great, so how is he world class?
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No it isn’t, it’s just been viewed as a defensive role in this country for the last few decades. In some countries like Brazil the role is considered completely differently.
posted on 30/10/20
In the modern game it's 100% not a defensive role anymore.
posted on 30/10/20
It’s not even necessarily a defence role as the likes of Marcelo have proven.
posted on 30/10/20
TAA would start and be a key player for all the elite sides in Europe. Same with Robertson. Robertson in 11 games this season - 6 assists, 2 goals. Tends to be just behind TAA’s assists tallies each season and like most can apprehend he is also a generally good defender in his own right at the same time as his offensive output.
posted on 30/10/20
Robertson would not start for all the elite teams in europe. Alphonso Davies, Alba, Bernat and Alex Sandro are all better than him.
posted on 30/10/20
Alex Telles is better than Robertson as well.
posted on 30/10/20
comment by Take Mahomes, Country Roads (U3979)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 seconds ago
Think you need to read into modern football a little bit more if I'm honest.
Dani Alves was world class, defending was not his strong point though was it. I could probably sit here and rattle off many, many names from the last decade of world class full backs where defensively they are not as sound as some from the turn of the century, that doesn't make them not world class does it.
You don't have to be the complete player in your position to be world class.
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Are you suggesting you don’t need to be a very good defender to be considered a world class defender ?
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Not when his primary function in the team is to attack.
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But it isn't is it. He is a defender given licence to get forward, but primarily he is a defender.
posted on 30/10/20
Sandro? It’s not 2017
posted on 30/10/20
I mean, hell, Bayern have two left backs better than Robertson. Davies and Alaba.
posted on 30/10/20
I disagree.
My mate is a Liverpool fan and we have had this debate re TAA, so iv watched TAA very closely.
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Nobody believes you have friends, RDD.
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