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I’ll just add that a lot of the division we’re seeing now and false narratives all started under Obama. So again, I really don’t see it going away just because tango man is out.
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It’s gonna get infinitely better. In a divided country, not having the potus ranting like a lunatic on social media will be a great Place to start.
So will you he division go away? Probably not, but it’s going to be so much better without the most powerful man inciting hatred
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Well I hope you’re proven right but I don’t see it given as I said that most of this started before Trump.
Look at the mess that was Ferguson and all the anti-police propaganda.
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I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to say trump hasn’t stoked the fires and given extremists of all creed and color opportunity to act out.
There’s been divides in the us since it’s inception. It didn’t start with trump or Obama. Trump just made things worse and showed no desire to mediate and help heal.
The world is going to be better without him
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Agreed but let’s ask the more pertinent question: which do you think has a larger portion of blame for the current levels of division we’re seeing in America and spilling over to the rest of the world? Trump or the media?
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Both, with far left and right, BLM, proud boys, antifa, militias all stirred up by media, each other, dems and reps and cops getting it so wrong at times.
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Agreed but let’s ask the more pertinent question: which do you think has a larger portion of blame for the current levels of division we’re seeing in America and spilling over to the rest of the world? Trump or the media?
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How's that the more pertinent question? The media by definition reports what's happening.
Trump has actively sought to undermine people's trust in reputable news and professional reporting in favour of his own rhetoric. Rhetoric which has included open racism and repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him. He has emboldened some of the most dangerous groups in society. That's the words of the FBI by the way, before you accuse me of hyperbole.
Is the media responsible for reporting what he said? Maybe. For creating the divisions in society? No chance. As people have pointed out already - those divisions are what the States was founded on. And certainly predates mass media.
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Ok there has been no mass exaggeration, spin, lies, misinformation escalated to previously unseen levels in the last 10 years say? Ok then lol
Your post comes across as worryingly naive if you say thing like: The media by definition reports what's happening.
The media never cut things out that politicians say or what police officers say or cut videos to make a certain point, nah that never happens....they just by definition report what is happening. Oh dear me.
repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him
Hahaha this is the best bit, proving my point right here. Mate you need to wake up.
Supporters of the same candidate chanting “count all votes” or “stop the count” depending which state they’re in
Americans really are something else.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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I’ll just add that a lot of the division we’re seeing now and false narratives all started under Obama. So again, I really don’t see it going away just because tango man is out.
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It’s gonna get infinitely better. In a divided country, not having the potus ranting like a lunatic on social media will be a great Place to start.
So will you he division go away? Probably not, but it’s going to be so much better without the most powerful man inciting hatred
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Well I hope you’re proven right but I don’t see it given as I said that most of this started before Trump.
Look at the mess that was Ferguson and all the anti-police propaganda.
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I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to say trump hasn’t stoked the fires and given extremists of all creed and color opportunity to act out.
There’s been divides in the us since it’s inception. It didn’t start with trump or Obama. Trump just made things worse and showed no desire to mediate and help heal.
The world is going to be better without him
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Trumpets or even trumpet sympathisers are blind to his rhetoric though.
If I wake up won't I be woke? Don't the right hate that? That's exactly what they don't want. Don't think critically, don't read various news sources and think for yourself. Decry them all as lies and carry on with a false narrative of hate because that's easy to understand.
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If I wake up won't I be woke? Don't the right hate that? That's exactly what they don't want. Don't think critically, don't read various news sources and think for yourself. Decry them all as lies and carry on with a false narrative of hate because that's easy to understand.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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I’ll just add that a lot of the division we’re seeing now and false narratives all started under Obama. So again, I really don’t see it going away just because tango man is out.
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It’s gonna get infinitely better. In a divided country, not having the potus ranting like a lunatic on social media will be a great Place to start.
So will you he division go away? Probably not, but it’s going to be so much better without the most powerful man inciting hatred
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Well I hope you’re proven right but I don’t see it given as I said that most of this started before Trump.
Look at the mess that was Ferguson and all the anti-police propaganda.
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I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to say trump hasn’t stoked the fires and given extremists of all creed and color opportunity to act out.
There’s been divides in the us since it’s inception. It didn’t start with trump or Obama. Trump just made things worse and showed no desire to mediate and help heal.
The world is going to be better without him
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Trumpets or even trumpet sympathisers are blind to his rhetoric though.
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Bales is seemingly blind to rhetoric also which was my entire point about media influence.
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posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
Agreed but let’s ask the more pertinent question: which do you think has a larger portion of blame for the current levels of division we’re seeing in America and spilling over to the rest of the world? Trump or the media?
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How's that the more pertinent question? The media by definition reports what's happening.
Trump has actively sought to undermine people's trust in reputable news and professional reporting in favour of his own rhetoric. Rhetoric which has included open racism and repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him. He has emboldened some of the most dangerous groups in society. That's the words of the FBI by the way, before you accuse me of hyperbole.
Is the media responsible for reporting what he said? Maybe. For creating the divisions in society? No chance. As people have pointed out already - those divisions are what the States was founded on. And certainly predates mass media.
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Ok there has been no mass exaggeration, spin, lies, misinformation escalated to previously unseen levels in the last 10 years say? Ok then lol
Your post comes across as worryingly naive if you say thing like: The media by definition reports what's happening.
The media never cut things out that politicians say or what police officers say or cut videos to make a certain point, nah that never happens....they just by definition report what is happening. Oh dear me.
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Are you saying Trump didnt make it worse?
What came first, trump's attacks on the media, both before and after a trump loving gun but shot up a newspaper..
Or a media bias against trump which whipped up hate?
Even when we do acknowledge media influence he's had a facking massive influence on coverage.
Trump definitely made things worse and brexit really ignited it over here.
However these divisions have always existed. Trump and Brexit just highlighted it more.
Its been happening for donkeys years that if someone says they support one party, someone who doesn't like them will throw abuse at that individual for not having the same opinions.
It is the main reason for shy voters by the way. Some things have been made socially unacceptable because some people just can't accept other people support a party they dont like.
We do need to get to a position where it doesn't matter if someone is tory, Labour, Republican or Democrat. We can debate nicely but if we don't agree we stay friends and move on.
Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get rid of that because some people have been so badly affected by certain party's in power they just can't accept anyone supporting them.
So the best thing we can do is try to reduce the possibility of these sorts of division by not having a racist sexist volatile man in power of the world's most powerful country
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
Agreed but let’s ask the more pertinent question: which do you think has a larger portion of blame for the current levels of division we’re seeing in America and spilling over to the rest of the world? Trump or the media?
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How's that the more pertinent question? The media by definition reports what's happening.
Trump has actively sought to undermine people's trust in reputable news and professional reporting in favour of his own rhetoric. Rhetoric which has included open racism and repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him. He has emboldened some of the most dangerous groups in society. That's the words of the FBI by the way, before you accuse me of hyperbole.
Is the media responsible for reporting what he said? Maybe. For creating the divisions in society? No chance. As people have pointed out already - those divisions are what the States was founded on. And certainly predates mass media.
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Ok there has been no mass exaggeration, spin, lies, misinformation escalated to previously unseen levels in the last 10 years say? Ok then lol
Your post comes across as worryingly naive if you say thing like: The media by definition reports what's happening.
The media never cut things out that politicians say or what police officers say or cut videos to make a certain point, nah that never happens....they just by definition report what is happening. Oh dear me.
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Are you saying Trump didnt make it worse?
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Did I write that? If I thought that, I would write it. So, no I am not saying that.
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comment by Bales (U22081)
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If I wake up won't I be woke? Don't the right hate that? That's exactly what they don't want. Don't think critically, don't read various news sources and think for yourself. Decry them all as lies and carry on with a false narrative of hate because that's easy to understand.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-white-nationalism-proud-boys-debate/616546/
I'm not sure why you can't understand that this happened?
Maybe because you believe the 'media' is to blame for all the bad things Trump says? Your brain is rotten.
Let’s take Trump’s repeated refusal to condemn white supremacist groups. Do we think that this is going to make people (like Bales clearly) hate Trump and his supporters more? Is it going to cause more division and hatred? Yes, of course it will.
Now let’s look at Bales specifically as he is a perfect example of what I am talking about in terms of media. Which, according to Bales, by definition only reports what happens.
So Bales thinks that Trump repeatedly refused to condemn white supremacist groups that support him. This is absolutely, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt completely untrue. But the media that he has been exposed to has convinced him of that despite him disavowing and condemning such groups at least 38 times.
That is just one example and of course the same thing happens right/left men/women straight/lgbtq Fox/CNN Daily Mail The New York Times Washington Post The Sun et cetera.
There are millions and millions of Bales out there who absolutely believe something that is completely untrue and out of those people there are people that turn to violence because of it. I mentioned Ferguson earlier, Justin Smollett, Hunter Biden’s laptop et cetera.
If anyone thinks that Trump’s nonsense rhetoric even compares to mass media & social media globally then I think they need to think harder.
Don’t mean to attack Bales but he engaged with me on the subject and provided a perfect example whilst doing so. No offence intended Bales
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If I wake up won't I be woke? Don't the right hate that? That's exactly what they don't want. Don't think critically, don't read various news sources and think for yourself. Decry them all as lies and carry on with a false narrative of hate because that's easy to understand.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-white-nationalism-proud-boys-debate/616546/
I'm not sure why you can't understand that this happened?
Maybe because you believe the 'media' is to blame for all the bad things Trump says? Your brain is rotten.
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You keep proving me to be correct Bales.
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 25 minutes ago
Trump definitely made things worse and brexit really ignited it over here.
However these divisions have always existed. Trump and Brexit just highlighted it more.
Its been happening for donkeys years that if someone says they support one party, someone who doesn't like them will throw abuse at that individual for not having the same opinions.
It is the main reason for shy voters by the way. Some things have been made socially unacceptable because some people just can't accept other people support a party they dont like.
We do need to get to a position where it doesn't matter if someone is tory, Labour, Republican or Democrat. We can debate nicely but if we don't agree we stay friends and move on.
Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get rid of that because some people have been so badly affected by certain party's in power they just can't accept anyone supporting them.
So the best thing we can do is try to reduce the possibility of these sorts of division by not having a racist sexist volatile man in power of the world's most powerful country
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I don't understand why people support politic parties like football teams.
It shouldn't be a lifelong thing, it should be something you assess regularly based on policies and how they relate to your circumstances and what you stand for in that moment. Unfortunately many seem to vote on blind loyalty and shoot themselves in the foot as a result.
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comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 25 minutes ago
Trump definitely made things worse and brexit really ignited it over here.
However these divisions have always existed. Trump and Brexit just highlighted it more.
Its been happening for donkeys years that if someone says they support one party, someone who doesn't like them will throw abuse at that individual for not having the same opinions.
It is the main reason for shy voters by the way. Some things have been made socially unacceptable because some people just can't accept other people support a party they dont like.
We do need to get to a position where it doesn't matter if someone is tory, Labour, Republican or Democrat. We can debate nicely but if we don't agree we stay friends and move on.
Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get rid of that because some people have been so badly affected by certain party's in power they just can't accept anyone supporting them.
So the best thing we can do is try to reduce the possibility of these sorts of division by not having a racist sexist volatile man in power of the world's most powerful country
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I don't understand why people support politic parties like football teams.
It shouldn't be a lifelong thing, it should be something you assess regularly based on policies and how they relate to your circumstances and what you stand for in that moment. Unfortunately many seem to vote on blind loyalty and shoot themselves in the foot as a result.
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Couldn’t agree more. Personally I always go for individuals and policy.
Completely brainwashed. No point trying to engage in debate.
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Completely brainwashed. No point trying to engage in debate.
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Would you like to see Trump disavow white supremacy Bales or would you prefer to remain brainwashed?
Just seen a protester interviewed on Sky News who was talking about evidence of stacks of Trump votes being “burned”. He didn’t point to the source of said ‘evidence’.
All kinds of shiiiit getting traction on social media now.
Posts about machinery being sneaked into counting centres to shred Trump votes (already debunked by a press team explaining it was their equipment, but still circulating); others about votes being taken away in sacks without being counted (also debunked by external observers).
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Completely brainwashed. No point trying to engage in debate.
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Would you like to see Trump disavow white supremacy Bales or would you prefer to remain brainwashed?
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Completely brainwashed? Did you even read my post? What I am brainwashed by? Everything?
right/left men/women straight/lgbtq Fox/CNN Daily Mail The New York Times Washington Post The Sun et cetera.
I’m brainwashed by saying that media bias happens with all of these things? Lol
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 51 seconds ago
Just seen a protester interviewed on Sky News who was talking about evidence of stacks of Trump votes being “burned”. He didn’t point to the source of said ‘evidence’.
All kinds of shiiiit getting traction on social media now.
Posts about machinery being sneaked into counting centres to shred Trump votes (already debunked by a press team explaining it was their equipment, but still circulating); others about votes being taken away in sacks without being counted (also debunked by external observers).
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Trump has been telling everyone this election was going to be rigged since 2016, and he said that one would be too. He also claimed to have won the popular vote then. His supporters have realised that they can believe whatever they want to because in Trump's America reality is what you want it to be. So Trump losing must be fraudulent, there is no other way he could lose.
Trump has been telling everyone this election was going to be rigged since 2016, and he said that one would be too. He also claimed to have won the popular vote then. His supporters have realised that they can believe whatever they want to because in Trump's America reality is what you want it to be. So Trump losing must be fraudulent, there is no other way he could lose.
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I was watching a video earlier where Hilary was saying he claimed his Republic primary was rigged, he was rigged to not win an Emmy, some other stuff and it's just how it's his character and how it's funny but troubling.
It's just some crazy complex he has and I can't believe we're in an age where so many people would not only shrug him off, but actively get behind him.
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
Just seen a protester interviewed on Sky News who was talking about evidence of stacks of Trump votes being “burned”. He didn’t point to the source of said ‘evidence’.
All kinds of shiiiit getting traction on social media now.
Posts about machinery being sneaked into counting centres to shred Trump votes (already debunked by a press team explaining it was their equipment, but still circulating); others about votes being taken away in sacks without being counted (also debunked by external observers).
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There is no such thing as truth anymore. This is a combination of the social media age and the increasingly solipsistic nature of human beings: I think a lot of people genuinely feel, on some level, that truth is whatever they want it to be.
Donald Trump has always been a sore loser. Anyone who thought he'd just concede and accept it where living with too much hope
Biden knew he'd do this hence why he was hoping for landslide. Personally he may be winning and he has almost certainly won the election but the fact its so close tells me he wasn't a very good candidate.
Trump would have still complained had it been a Biden landslide but no one would listen due to the size of the victory
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I’ll just add that a lot of the division we’re seeing now and false narratives all started under Obama. So again, I really don’t see it going away just because tango man is out.
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It’s gonna get infinitely better. In a divided country, not having the potus ranting like a lunatic on social media will be a great Place to start.
So will you he division go away? Probably not, but it’s going to be so much better without the most powerful man inciting hatred
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Well I hope you’re proven right but I don’t see it given as I said that most of this started before Trump.
Look at the mess that was Ferguson and all the anti-police propaganda.
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I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to say trump hasn’t stoked the fires and given extremists of all creed and color opportunity to act out.
There’s been divides in the us since it’s inception. It didn’t start with trump or Obama. Trump just made things worse and showed no desire to mediate and help heal.
The world is going to be better without him
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Agreed but let’s ask the more pertinent question: which do you think has a larger portion of blame for the current levels of division we’re seeing in America and spilling over to the rest of the world? Trump or the media?
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Both, with far left and right, BLM, proud boys, antifa, militias all stirred up by media, each other, dems and reps and cops getting it so wrong at times.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
Agreed but let’s ask the more pertinent question: which do you think has a larger portion of blame for the current levels of division we’re seeing in America and spilling over to the rest of the world? Trump or the media?
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How's that the more pertinent question? The media by definition reports what's happening.
Trump has actively sought to undermine people's trust in reputable news and professional reporting in favour of his own rhetoric. Rhetoric which has included open racism and repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him. He has emboldened some of the most dangerous groups in society. That's the words of the FBI by the way, before you accuse me of hyperbole.
Is the media responsible for reporting what he said? Maybe. For creating the divisions in society? No chance. As people have pointed out already - those divisions are what the States was founded on. And certainly predates mass media.
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Ok there has been no mass exaggeration, spin, lies, misinformation escalated to previously unseen levels in the last 10 years say? Ok then lol
Your post comes across as worryingly naive if you say thing like: The media by definition reports what's happening.
The media never cut things out that politicians say or what police officers say or cut videos to make a certain point, nah that never happens....they just by definition report what is happening. Oh dear me.
posted on 5/11/20
repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him
Hahaha this is the best bit, proving my point right here. Mate you need to wake up.
posted on 5/11/20
Supporters of the same candidate chanting “count all votes” or “stop the count” depending which state they’re in
Americans really are something else.
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posted 1 hour ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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I’ll just add that a lot of the division we’re seeing now and false narratives all started under Obama. So again, I really don’t see it going away just because tango man is out.
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It’s gonna get infinitely better. In a divided country, not having the potus ranting like a lunatic on social media will be a great Place to start.
So will you he division go away? Probably not, but it’s going to be so much better without the most powerful man inciting hatred
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Well I hope you’re proven right but I don’t see it given as I said that most of this started before Trump.
Look at the mess that was Ferguson and all the anti-police propaganda.
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I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to say trump hasn’t stoked the fires and given extremists of all creed and color opportunity to act out.
There’s been divides in the us since it’s inception. It didn’t start with trump or Obama. Trump just made things worse and showed no desire to mediate and help heal.
The world is going to be better without him
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Trumpets or even trumpet sympathisers are blind to his rhetoric though.
posted on 5/11/20
If I wake up won't I be woke? Don't the right hate that? That's exactly what they don't want. Don't think critically, don't read various news sources and think for yourself. Decry them all as lies and carry on with a false narrative of hate because that's easy to understand.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 48 seconds ago
If I wake up won't I be woke? Don't the right hate that? That's exactly what they don't want. Don't think critically, don't read various news sources and think for yourself. Decry them all as lies and carry on with a false narrative of hate because that's easy to understand.
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repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him
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comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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I’ll just add that a lot of the division we’re seeing now and false narratives all started under Obama. So again, I really don’t see it going away just because tango man is out.
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It’s gonna get infinitely better. In a divided country, not having the potus ranting like a lunatic on social media will be a great Place to start.
So will you he division go away? Probably not, but it’s going to be so much better without the most powerful man inciting hatred
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Well I hope you’re proven right but I don’t see it given as I said that most of this started before Trump.
Look at the mess that was Ferguson and all the anti-police propaganda.
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I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to say trump hasn’t stoked the fires and given extremists of all creed and color opportunity to act out.
There’s been divides in the us since it’s inception. It didn’t start with trump or Obama. Trump just made things worse and showed no desire to mediate and help heal.
The world is going to be better without him
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Trumpets or even trumpet sympathisers are blind to his rhetoric though.
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Bales is seemingly blind to rhetoric also which was my entire point about media influence.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
Agreed but let’s ask the more pertinent question: which do you think has a larger portion of blame for the current levels of division we’re seeing in America and spilling over to the rest of the world? Trump or the media?
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How's that the more pertinent question? The media by definition reports what's happening.
Trump has actively sought to undermine people's trust in reputable news and professional reporting in favour of his own rhetoric. Rhetoric which has included open racism and repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him. He has emboldened some of the most dangerous groups in society. That's the words of the FBI by the way, before you accuse me of hyperbole.
Is the media responsible for reporting what he said? Maybe. For creating the divisions in society? No chance. As people have pointed out already - those divisions are what the States was founded on. And certainly predates mass media.
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Ok there has been no mass exaggeration, spin, lies, misinformation escalated to previously unseen levels in the last 10 years say? Ok then lol
Your post comes across as worryingly naive if you say thing like: The media by definition reports what's happening.
The media never cut things out that politicians say or what police officers say or cut videos to make a certain point, nah that never happens....they just by definition report what is happening. Oh dear me.
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Are you saying Trump didnt make it worse?
posted on 5/11/20
What came first, trump's attacks on the media, both before and after a trump loving gun but shot up a newspaper..
Or a media bias against trump which whipped up hate?
Even when we do acknowledge media influence he's had a facking massive influence on coverage.
posted on 5/11/20
Trump definitely made things worse and brexit really ignited it over here.
However these divisions have always existed. Trump and Brexit just highlighted it more.
Its been happening for donkeys years that if someone says they support one party, someone who doesn't like them will throw abuse at that individual for not having the same opinions.
It is the main reason for shy voters by the way. Some things have been made socially unacceptable because some people just can't accept other people support a party they dont like.
We do need to get to a position where it doesn't matter if someone is tory, Labour, Republican or Democrat. We can debate nicely but if we don't agree we stay friends and move on.
Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get rid of that because some people have been so badly affected by certain party's in power they just can't accept anyone supporting them.
So the best thing we can do is try to reduce the possibility of these sorts of division by not having a racist sexist volatile man in power of the world's most powerful country
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Hansaplast (U1250)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 8 seconds ago
Agreed but let’s ask the more pertinent question: which do you think has a larger portion of blame for the current levels of division we’re seeing in America and spilling over to the rest of the world? Trump or the media?
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How's that the more pertinent question? The media by definition reports what's happening.
Trump has actively sought to undermine people's trust in reputable news and professional reporting in favour of his own rhetoric. Rhetoric which has included open racism and repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him. He has emboldened some of the most dangerous groups in society. That's the words of the FBI by the way, before you accuse me of hyperbole.
Is the media responsible for reporting what he said? Maybe. For creating the divisions in society? No chance. As people have pointed out already - those divisions are what the States was founded on. And certainly predates mass media.
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Ok there has been no mass exaggeration, spin, lies, misinformation escalated to previously unseen levels in the last 10 years say? Ok then lol
Your post comes across as worryingly naive if you say thing like: The media by definition reports what's happening.
The media never cut things out that politicians say or what police officers say or cut videos to make a certain point, nah that never happens....they just by definition report what is happening. Oh dear me.
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Are you saying Trump didnt make it worse?
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Did I write that? If I thought that, I would write it. So, no I am not saying that.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 48 seconds ago
If I wake up won't I be woke? Don't the right hate that? That's exactly what they don't want. Don't think critically, don't read various news sources and think for yourself. Decry them all as lies and carry on with a false narrative of hate because that's easy to understand.
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repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-white-nationalism-proud-boys-debate/616546/
I'm not sure why you can't understand that this happened?
Maybe because you believe the 'media' is to blame for all the bad things Trump says? Your brain is rotten.
posted on 5/11/20
Let’s take Trump’s repeated refusal to condemn white supremacist groups. Do we think that this is going to make people (like Bales clearly) hate Trump and his supporters more? Is it going to cause more division and hatred? Yes, of course it will.
Now let’s look at Bales specifically as he is a perfect example of what I am talking about in terms of media. Which, according to Bales, by definition only reports what happens.
So Bales thinks that Trump repeatedly refused to condemn white supremacist groups that support him. This is absolutely, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt completely untrue. But the media that he has been exposed to has convinced him of that despite him disavowing and condemning such groups at least 38 times.
That is just one example and of course the same thing happens right/left men/women straight/lgbtq Fox/CNN Daily Mail The New York Times Washington Post The Sun et cetera.
There are millions and millions of Bales out there who absolutely believe something that is completely untrue and out of those people there are people that turn to violence because of it. I mentioned Ferguson earlier, Justin Smollett, Hunter Biden’s laptop et cetera.
If anyone thinks that Trump’s nonsense rhetoric even compares to mass media & social media globally then I think they need to think harder.
Don’t mean to attack Bales but he engaged with me on the subject and provided a perfect example whilst doing so. No offence intended Bales
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 48 seconds ago
If I wake up won't I be woke? Don't the right hate that? That's exactly what they don't want. Don't think critically, don't read various news sources and think for yourself. Decry them all as lies and carry on with a false narrative of hate because that's easy to understand.
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repeated refusal to condemn hate groups that support him
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-white-nationalism-proud-boys-debate/616546/
I'm not sure why you can't understand that this happened?
Maybe because you believe the 'media' is to blame for all the bad things Trump says? Your brain is rotten.
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You keep proving me to be correct Bales.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 25 minutes ago
Trump definitely made things worse and brexit really ignited it over here.
However these divisions have always existed. Trump and Brexit just highlighted it more.
Its been happening for donkeys years that if someone says they support one party, someone who doesn't like them will throw abuse at that individual for not having the same opinions.
It is the main reason for shy voters by the way. Some things have been made socially unacceptable because some people just can't accept other people support a party they dont like.
We do need to get to a position where it doesn't matter if someone is tory, Labour, Republican or Democrat. We can debate nicely but if we don't agree we stay friends and move on.
Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get rid of that because some people have been so badly affected by certain party's in power they just can't accept anyone supporting them.
So the best thing we can do is try to reduce the possibility of these sorts of division by not having a racist sexist volatile man in power of the world's most powerful country
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I don't understand why people support politic parties like football teams.
It shouldn't be a lifelong thing, it should be something you assess regularly based on policies and how they relate to your circumstances and what you stand for in that moment. Unfortunately many seem to vote on blind loyalty and shoot themselves in the foot as a result.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Emperor Kami (U9880)
posted 25 minutes ago
Trump definitely made things worse and brexit really ignited it over here.
However these divisions have always existed. Trump and Brexit just highlighted it more.
Its been happening for donkeys years that if someone says they support one party, someone who doesn't like them will throw abuse at that individual for not having the same opinions.
It is the main reason for shy voters by the way. Some things have been made socially unacceptable because some people just can't accept other people support a party they dont like.
We do need to get to a position where it doesn't matter if someone is tory, Labour, Republican or Democrat. We can debate nicely but if we don't agree we stay friends and move on.
Unfortunately I don't think we will ever get rid of that because some people have been so badly affected by certain party's in power they just can't accept anyone supporting them.
So the best thing we can do is try to reduce the possibility of these sorts of division by not having a racist sexist volatile man in power of the world's most powerful country
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I don't understand why people support politic parties like football teams.
It shouldn't be a lifelong thing, it should be something you assess regularly based on policies and how they relate to your circumstances and what you stand for in that moment. Unfortunately many seem to vote on blind loyalty and shoot themselves in the foot as a result.
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Couldn’t agree more. Personally I always go for individuals and policy.
posted on 5/11/20
Completely brainwashed. No point trying to engage in debate.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 20 seconds ago
Completely brainwashed. No point trying to engage in debate.
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Would you like to see Trump disavow white supremacy Bales or would you prefer to remain brainwashed?
posted on 5/11/20
Just seen a protester interviewed on Sky News who was talking about evidence of stacks of Trump votes being “burned”. He didn’t point to the source of said ‘evidence’.
All kinds of shiiiit getting traction on social media now.
Posts about machinery being sneaked into counting centres to shred Trump votes (already debunked by a press team explaining it was their equipment, but still circulating); others about votes being taken away in sacks without being counted (also debunked by external observers).
posted on 5/11/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 20 seconds ago
Completely brainwashed. No point trying to engage in debate.
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Would you like to see Trump disavow white supremacy Bales or would you prefer to remain brainwashed?
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Completely brainwashed? Did you even read my post? What I am brainwashed by? Everything?
right/left men/women straight/lgbtq Fox/CNN Daily Mail The New York Times Washington Post The Sun et cetera.
I’m brainwashed by saying that media bias happens with all of these things? Lol
posted on 5/11/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 51 seconds ago
Just seen a protester interviewed on Sky News who was talking about evidence of stacks of Trump votes being “burned”. He didn’t point to the source of said ‘evidence’.
All kinds of shiiiit getting traction on social media now.
Posts about machinery being sneaked into counting centres to shred Trump votes (already debunked by a press team explaining it was their equipment, but still circulating); others about votes being taken away in sacks without being counted (also debunked by external observers).
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Trump has been telling everyone this election was going to be rigged since 2016, and he said that one would be too. He also claimed to have won the popular vote then. His supporters have realised that they can believe whatever they want to because in Trump's America reality is what you want it to be. So Trump losing must be fraudulent, there is no other way he could lose.
posted on 5/11/20
Trump has been telling everyone this election was going to be rigged since 2016, and he said that one would be too. He also claimed to have won the popular vote then. His supporters have realised that they can believe whatever they want to because in Trump's America reality is what you want it to be. So Trump losing must be fraudulent, there is no other way he could lose.
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I was watching a video earlier where Hilary was saying he claimed his Republic primary was rigged, he was rigged to not win an Emmy, some other stuff and it's just how it's his character and how it's funny but troubling.
It's just some crazy complex he has and I can't believe we're in an age where so many people would not only shrug him off, but actively get behind him.
posted on 5/11/20
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
Just seen a protester interviewed on Sky News who was talking about evidence of stacks of Trump votes being “burned”. He didn’t point to the source of said ‘evidence’.
All kinds of shiiiit getting traction on social media now.
Posts about machinery being sneaked into counting centres to shred Trump votes (already debunked by a press team explaining it was their equipment, but still circulating); others about votes being taken away in sacks without being counted (also debunked by external observers).
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There is no such thing as truth anymore. This is a combination of the social media age and the increasingly solipsistic nature of human beings: I think a lot of people genuinely feel, on some level, that truth is whatever they want it to be.
posted on 5/11/20
Donald Trump has always been a sore loser. Anyone who thought he'd just concede and accept it where living with too much hope
Biden knew he'd do this hence why he was hoping for landslide. Personally he may be winning and he has almost certainly won the election but the fact its so close tells me he wasn't a very good candidate.
Trump would have still complained had it been a Biden landslide but no one would listen due to the size of the victory
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