real madrid defender nacho fernandez's brother, alex, who plays for cadiz id a proper spanish ginge

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/89733-1447228139.jpg

comment by RB&W (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
you do get the occasional red haired italian
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United had one who played for us
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Carlo Sartori?

I am so sick of woko-haram

Cavani's case would be roughly equivalent to an English-speaking player being banned in Spain for using the word gay in a tweet written in English in which it was clearly used in its meaning of colourful or cheerful, because the Spanish FA deemed it cannot be stripped of its homophobic connotations even in English.
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Good example

Robbing, I often agree with you, but on this thread you have been an absolute tw@t and wrong

Not that you care

comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 39 minutes ago
Would this be an issue if he'd fondly referred to his friend as Ginger haired?
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So just to be clear, you're asking if references to skin colour and hair colour are the same/different?
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Do they even have ginger hair in Uruguay?
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yes

uruguay is probably the latin american population with the highest % of european ancestry (and the lowest % of native american and african ancestry)

most ppl in uruguay are italian/spanish

you do get the occasional red haired italian or spaniard

incidentally..luis suarez is clearly of mixed racial origins himself...he is certainly not a bog standard Italian/Spanish ...he has some native american and or black african in him
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“Bog standard Spanish” is chock full of North African genes.

comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 39 minutes ago
Would this be an issue if he'd fondly referred to his friend as Ginger haired?
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So just to be clear, you're asking if references to skin colour and hair colour are the same/different?
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Do they even have ginger hair in Uruguay?
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yes

uruguay is probably the latin american population with the highest % of european ancestry (and the lowest % of native american and african ancestry)

most ppl in uruguay are italian/spanish

you do get the occasional red haired italian or spaniard

incidentally..luis suarez is clearly of mixed racial origins himself...he is certainly not a bog standard Italian/Spanish ...he has some native american and or black african in him
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“Bog standard Spanish” is chock full of North African genes.
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no it's not

North African Admix in Iberia (excluding the canary islands) peaks at only around 8% in the south west

comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso - it’s not good enough to be right; you have to be effective (U17054)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Andrew Cole (U22481)
posted 39 minutes ago
Would this be an issue if he'd fondly referred to his friend as Ginger haired?
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So just to be clear, you're asking if references to skin colour and hair colour are the same/different?
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Do they even have ginger hair in Uruguay?
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yes

uruguay is probably the latin american population with the highest % of european ancestry (and the lowest % of native american and african ancestry)

most ppl in uruguay are italian/spanish

you do get the occasional red haired italian or spaniard

incidentally..luis suarez is clearly of mixed racial origins himself...he is certainly not a bog standard Italian/Spanish ...he has some native american and or black african in him
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“Bog standard Spanish” is chock full of North African genes.
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no it's not

North African Admix in Iberia (excluding the canary islands) peaks at only around 8% in the south west
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Bit more than that according to this:

https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/37/4/1041/5670533

I’d call that chock full on a genetic scale, personally, but whatever. It’s certainly much higher than your average European makeup.

Then there’s a heavy Near/Middle Eastern influence, as well as the Sub-Saharan.

all europeans have middle eastern genes via the neolithic farmers who introduced agriculture to the continent circa 8000 years ago

they are one of the 3 main ancestral groups of modern europeans (western hunter gatherers and ancestral north eurasians being the other 2)

actually south east euros like greeks and southern italians/sicilians have a far higher % of middle eastern genes than iberians

SSA genes is iberia as in the rest of europe are negligible

behave rosso

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-united/edinson-cavani-instagram-post-racism-statement-b1763989.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR31WJNHsh64a_Ys-OPVxswN8sB8WvaXTy2RbklPBCGyfKSaR6lv0gLjQgk#Echobox=1606750219

Just hope that everyone who read Cavanis original post are okay, and that they get the help they need to deal with it all.

We’re all Africans at the end of the day.

The whole gamut of genetic diversity in humans is negligible compared with most other species too. Chimps, for example, are much, much more genetically diverse than sapiens. About 1 in every 1,000 base pairs for sapiens if I remember rightly, which makes us, as far the animal kingdom is concerned, as good as clones.

Plus the greatest proportion of genetic variation (about 90%) exists *within* continental populations rather than between them. Two individuals from different continental groups can be much more similar to one another than any two individuals from the same population.

So the ancestral group distinction is of minuscule significance anyway.

Thereswsybtoo much pc in this world now. He never went out of his way to cos offence.that should be the end of the matter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55124852

Rules aside, it's absolutely crazy that a possible three game ban is on the table for this.

Of all the prejudice in society affecting minorities, focusing on incidents like this cheapens the fight against those real issues imo.

Rules aside, it's absolutely crazy that a possible three game ban is on the table for this.
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Dont think it will happen. It would be very difficult for the FA to justify IMO. (Wouldnt stop them from doing it of course)

the same people saying the world is too pc or that 3 game ban are part of the problem.

comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 8 seconds ago
the same people saying the world is too pc or that 3 game ban are part of the problem.
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Part of what problem?

Not sure if that was aimed at comments like mine as it didn't make a great deal of sense.

comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 1 minute ago
the same people saying the world is too pc or that 3 game ban are part of the problem.
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What?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
Rules aside, it's absolutely crazy that a possible three game ban is on the table for this.

Of all the prejudice in society affecting minorities, focusing on incidents like this cheapens the fight against those real issues imo.
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exactly
for those who have zero understanding of the spanish language and cannot understand why suarez use od of negrito is different from cavani's see the definition below

The general rule of diminutives is that you will simply add "ito/ita" to the ending of a word to indicate either smallness or affection. So please keep in mind that diminutivies are not only used to indicate affection but also. to indicate smallness

a 3 game ban may be considered harsh given the context but the whole point of a punishment is that it should deter people from making the same mistakes.

At the end of the day, people can use racist terminology and it can be meant as a term of endearment but it is still racist.

If a blackwas a guest in Cavani's home country they would have to abide by the culture and the laws of that country the same as the home citizens.

It should be the same for Cavani hear. It's sad an unfortunate but its 2020, we need to stamp out this kind of ignorance.

Let's not pretend that colourism and racism isn't a big problem in south America.

If you want to look at the wider context, you have to consider than also.

The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)

Two problems.

Firstly, you don't get to define racism with specific words. The manner that he used the term in could easily be debated as not racist.

However, it is true to say that in some contexts it is racist.

Which is why context is important.

The second problem is about the culture of this country.

To my knowledge, Cavani hasn't broken any law nor any rule of Instagram/Facebook.

So, what we're actually discussing is the culture/laws of football, which is entirely different.

I think that's an important distinction.

At the heart of this, we have a guy saying something to a mate of his using words that are not considered at all racist to him, and in his country.

Punishing people like that, severely, imo does just as much damage to the fight against racism as it does good.

If a blackwas a guest in Cavani's home country they would have to abide by the culture and the laws of that country the same as the home citizens.
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I'm not sure we're really supposed to use "black" as a noun anymore...

black person*