comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 seconds ago
If he’d bitten Evra then that would be totally relevant.

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Anti social behavior is always relevant in things like this. The big toothed one just decided to change his modus operandi.
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Nah - think that would be a stretch!
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You are not from Liverpool are you? Otherwise you would be more familiar with how a court works.
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Is that dig necessary to win your argument? Maybe try saying ‘calm down, calm down’ ?

comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Cutme’s comment suggests that he hasn’t yet realised, after almost a decade since it happened, that Suarez himself has said that he used the word “negro”

Cutme is well behind the times, both in terms of this thread and the incident that took place with Suarez.

But for what it’s worth, the Cavani incident yesterday has nothing whatsoever to do with what happened between Suarez and Evra.
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Not really - I’m aware of the facts, but as context seems to be the main point, my point still stands - unless I’ve missed Suarez saying he said it in a racist way rather than a way common in his culture?
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What you’ve missed is that Suarez said it in the heat of an argument as part of an insult towards a European opponent.

Whether it’s an allegation vs Cavani’s factual event etc is irrelevant and misleading when considered in isolation.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 52 minutes ago
Read through all of this thread, and thankfully it’s evolved from the playground antics by Liverpool fans trying to use this incident as a kind of “gotcha” towards United fans in regards to an incident that happened almost a decade ago.

The whole thing is in my opinion a joke. The FA, so eager to be seen as a progressive and “with it” organisation will undoubtedly make its token gesture of banning a player for a game or two, while slapping itself on that back and congratulating itself by showing just how accepting they are of all cultures (as long as people from other cultures don’t use any words from their own language that this country may have a problem with).

As though a one, two, three, whatever game ban really addresses the issue in question, which, let’s be honest, has really become an elephant in the room.

Racism, which this incident with Cavani most certainly is not, is fast becoming something that is dealt with by authorities in this country by way of a gesture. A ban, a fine, a suspension of a social media account. It’s pathetic. The likes of the FA are approaching this azz about face.

By the same token, the players themselves are stupid. They know what is acceptable and what isn’t. Yet they still open themselves up to punishment by posting infantile memes, congratulations, whatever, on social media platforms with no thought whatsoever that someone somewhere will always take offence (I’m looking at you Bernardo Silva).

They even employ social media managers to look after their profiles for gods sake, and yet they fall for it time and again, and give an organisation like the FA an excuse just to show the world how accepting and tolerant of all cultures and races that “it really so very much so is”
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A very well written and considered post.

Is that dig necessary to win your argument? Maybe try saying ‘calm down, calm down’ ?

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I don’t have to try to win my argument. It isn’t in dispute.

Your point (which was that one without doubt was said and the other only has the word of one person to verify it) definitely does not stand.

I doubt that you are aware of the facts. If you were you wouldn’t have made the comment that you did a few posts ago. If you actually are aware of the facts and still made your comment, then you’re being an idiot.

I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Cutme’s comment suggests that he hasn’t yet realised, after almost a decade since it happened, that Suarez himself has said that he used the word “negro”

Cutme is well behind the times, both in terms of this thread and the incident that took place with Suarez.

But for what it’s worth, the Cavani incident yesterday has nothing whatsoever to do with what happened between Suarez and Evra.
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Not really - I’m aware of the facts, but as context seems to be the main point, my point still stands - unless I’ve missed Suarez saying he said it in a racist way rather than a way common in his culture?
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What you’ve missed is that Suarez said it in the heat of an argument as part of an insult towards a European opponent.

Whether it’s an allegation vs Cavani’s factual event etc is irrelevant and misleading when considered in isolation.
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I’ve not missed it - whatever your thoughts are on the Suarez incident, it’s not proven and therefore incomparable to this situation.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Is that dig necessary to win your argument? Maybe try saying ‘calm down, calm down’ ?

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I don’t have to try to win my argument. It isn’t in dispute.
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I am disputing what you’re saying, so it in dispute!

comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Cutme’s comment suggests that he hasn’t yet realised, after almost a decade since it happened, that Suarez himself has said that he used the word “negro”

Cutme is well behind the times, both in terms of this thread and the incident that took place with Suarez.

But for what it’s worth, the Cavani incident yesterday has nothing whatsoever to do with what happened between Suarez and Evra.
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Not really - I’m aware of the facts, but as context seems to be the main point, my point still stands - unless I’ve missed Suarez saying he said it in a racist way rather than a way common in his culture?
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What you’ve missed is that Suarez said it in the heat of an argument as part of an insult towards a European opponent.

Whether it’s an allegation vs Cavani’s factual event etc is irrelevant and misleading when considered in isolation.
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I’ve not missed it - whatever your thoughts are on the Suarez incident, it’s not proven and therefore incomparable to this situation.
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Okay, so it seems that what you’ve missed is the multitude of other points that are relevant when considering each situation.

Except you haven’t missed them, have you?

You’ve left them out in order to take two facts out of context, helping with an implication that you’ve chosen to offer.

You go ahead with your ‘fact’. It adds nothing to the conversation, though.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Your point (which was that one without doubt was said and the other only has the word of one person to verify it) definitely does not stand.

I doubt that you are aware of the facts. If you were you wouldn’t have made the comment that you did a few posts ago. If you actually are aware of the facts and still made your comment, then you’re being an idiot.

I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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What facts do I not know, which comments? Once again I want to be clear - I agree that this is not comparable and I’m not defending Suarez!!

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 49 seconds ago
Is that dig necessary to win your argument? Maybe try saying ‘calm down, calm down’ ?

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I don’t have to try to win my argument. It isn’t in dispute.
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It's not really an argument anyway, no-one sane thinks the Cavani and Suarez incidents are similar.

I still think the club should do more when players come in from overseas for the first time. Simple stuff like, 'Edinson, don't say Negrito on twitter'. A cursory read through his history would probably have been enough to see if it's a term he uses. If you're going to spend a fortune in wages and/or transfer fees you might want to make sure they don't get bans for their social media.

Simple stuff like, 'Edinson, don't say Negrito on twitter'.

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“What about Instagram?”

Cutme

I’ve already told you. In a post that you previously replied to no less.

You are tiresome. And obstinate. You should have joined this thread several hours ago. At least then you would have fitted in alongside the idiotic comments of several other Liverpool fans at that time.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Cutme’s comment suggests that he hasn’t yet realised, after almost a decade since it happened, that Suarez himself has said that he used the word “negro”

Cutme is well behind the times, both in terms of this thread and the incident that took place with Suarez.

But for what it’s worth, the Cavani incident yesterday has nothing whatsoever to do with what happened between Suarez and Evra.
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Not really - I’m aware of the facts, but as context seems to be the main point, my point still stands - unless I’ve missed Suarez saying he said it in a racist way rather than a way common in his culture?
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What you’ve missed is that Suarez said it in the heat of an argument as part of an insult towards a European opponent.

Whether it’s an allegation vs Cavani’s factual event etc is irrelevant and misleading when considered in isolation.
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I’ve not missed it - whatever your thoughts are on the Suarez incident, it’s not proven and therefore incomparable to this situation.
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Okay, so it seems that what you’ve missed is the multitude of other points that are relevant when considering each situation.

Except you haven’t missed them, have you?

You’ve left them out in order to take two facts out of context, helping with an implication that you’ve chosen to offer.

You go ahead with your ‘fact’. It adds nothing to the conversation, though.
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Just to be clear on what I’m saying:

What was said in a tweet was a cultural reference (from my understanding) and therefore shouldn’t be seen as racist. If, in the current culture, he gets a match ban, that is understandable but not as a punishment as such but an awareness exercise (for want off a better phrase).

If what Evra said is true, these situations are totally different. If what Suarez said is true, they are very slightly similar at best. But without know for a fact which is true, some people will argue they former, others the later, so completely pointless trying to compare.

Hope that clears up where I am! 😊

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simple stuff like, 'Edinson, don't say Negrito on twitter'.

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“What about Instagram?”
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And MySpace

comment by The Gentleman Entrepreneur (U13709)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
a 3 game ban may be considered harsh given the context but the whole point of a punishment is that it should deter people from making the same mistakes.

At the end of the day, people can use racist terminology and it can be meant as a term of endearment but it is still racist.

If a blackwas a guest in Cavani's home country they would have to abide by the culture and the laws of that country the same as the home citizens.

It should be the same for Cavani hear. It's sad an unfortunate but its 2020, we need to stamp out this kind of ignorance.
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You are deeming a word racist based on a faulty interpretation of how that word ought to be used in its original language.

Why don't you try to educate yourself before you call other people ignorant?

I don’t have to try to win my argument. It isn’t in dispute.
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I am disputing what you’re saying, so it in dispute!

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Yes but your dispute is flawed due to ignorance of what is factual.

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cutme

I’ve already told you. In a post that you previously replied to no less.

You are tiresome. And obstinate. You should have joined this thread several hours ago. At least then you would have fitted in alongside the idiotic comments of several other Liverpool fans at that time.


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Sorry you feel that way - I’m not trying to be obstinate so apologies if I’ve come across that way. From my understanding, there was no conclusive evidence in the case and was one mans word against another. The FA ruled in favour of Evra. All I’m saying is that without conclusive prove, there will always be always section of people who will say it didn’t happen, so trying to compare these two situations is pointless! Again apologise if that wasn’t clear - I’m not defending Suarez, or even trying to give an opinion on the outcome, just saying (as I think you are) that it’s a completely pointless and non-constructive comparison.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 19 seconds ago
I don’t have to try to win my argument. It isn’t in dispute.
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I am disputing what you’re saying, so it in dispute!

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Yes but your dispute is flawed due to ignorance of what is factual.
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I’m disputing that his track record for being bitey wouldn’t have a huge impact on the outcome of a racism argument in court. I’m no lawyer though (no nasty comments please) so that’s just my unqualified opinion! 😊. If it’s a fact that it would, then I stand corrected.

CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)

Okay, thank you for at least elaborating.

On the balance of evidence, it’s clear to me that Suarez and Evra were arguing, not exchanging pleasantries.

Not going to drag up that whole debate again but ultimately it’s quite clear he used a certain term whilst in the process of a heated exchange.

That is why his charge was different to the one that Cavani faces and was ultimately more serious.

I’m disputing that his track record for being bitey wouldn’t have a huge impact on the outcome of a racism argument in court.

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Then you don’t know how courts work.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
CutMeAndIBleedRed (U7593)

Okay, thank you for at least elaborating.

On the balance of evidence, it’s clear to me that Suarez and Evra were arguing, not exchanging pleasantries.

Not going to drag up that whole debate again but ultimately it’s quite clear he used a certain term whilst in the process of a heated exchange.

That is why his charge was different to the one that Cavani faces and was ultimately more serious.
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I agree!!

I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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Indeed.

With the exception of Poolmyfinger none of them are idiots either.

Just very odd behaviour really.

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
If a blackwas a guest in Cavani's home country they would have to abide by the culture and the laws of that country the same as the home citizens.
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I'm not sure we're really supposed to use "black" as a noun anymore...
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And then ended with “we need to stamp out the ignorance” bit haha.

Sorry TGE I know it was a typo, but that was great/awful timing

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 31 seconds ago
I’m disputing that his track record for being bitey wouldn’t have a huge impact on the outcome of a racism argument in court.

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Then you don’t know how courts work.
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Indeed (thankfully) I don’t! I would have thought that, although taken into consideration, it wouldnt have been enough to prove guilt? I suppose, due to the potential sentence (compared to say murder), that they could afford to give it more weight to the outcome?

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
I have no affinity to either United or Liverpool. So I say the following without bias: The Liverpool fans contributions on this thread (with the notable exception of Welshpool and Naby) has been embarrassing.
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Indeed.

With the exception of Poolmyfinger none of them are idiots either.

Just very odd behaviour really.
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I’m sure some are - we are football fans after all 😉