"and we KNOW Evra changed his story three times"

And the lies come out yet again.

I suppose if you say it enough, you start to believe it.

I think generally people accepted that Suarez didn't necessarily use the term as an intentional racist insult.

However, he said what he said as part of an abusive comment to a European - so even if he didn't mean it as a racist insult, it effectively became one, didn't it?

No, I'm talking specifically about people raising points about the Suarez incident and getting piled on by some ravenous mancs and basically accused of defending a racist. Thats pathetic. You have to start every comment with a disclaimer or else.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 2 minutes ago
Its not even a sensible point though. Again, it just completely misses the context in which thr argument was had.

We can accept the word itself can be used without meaning to cause offence. Always have. However, when it is being used towards a black player with the sole intention of winding him up, any argument about the origin of the word or whether it is a 'term of endearment' is irrelevant.

I just cannot believe this is so difficult to understand.
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I get that completely and I am not even debating that so not sure why you are fixated on it. Once again, my focus is only on those, and there were plenty, that had an issue with the fact the word was used at all.
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Clearly you don't get it completely, going by this very response.

Its fine, I dont expect you to hold your hands up and say 'Yeah, ive made myself look a bit of a pillock'. Its just not what people do on here i guess.

It is probably best to stop digging though. As I've said before you clearly have no idea what point you are actually trying to make.

I'll leave it at that, because we're going round in circles. Absolute mess of a thread.

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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/nov/30/manchester-uniteds-edinson-cavani-apologies-for-racist-instagram-post

I think Cavani will receive a 1 match ban for the comment, similar to Silva 12 months ago. I don't condone the use of the word, nor will I be wearing any T shirts in support of Cavani.
Hopefully he now understands here in the UK it's not ok to use these words, and he's learned from it.

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Probably 3 match under the current 'rules'.

To be honest I think any ban for what he's done is a joke.

comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
Probably 3 match under the current 'rules'.

To be honest I think any ban for what he's done is a joke.
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Yep. IOAG made a great point on this.

Although it is quite amazing that he wrote it all things considered.

It is a rather funny situation where we are telling someone what a word means in their language and that it can cause offence in our language so they cannot use it in their language.

Makes no sense at all for him to get a ban but 2020 world rarely makes sense

comment by Paddy's Pub - Home of the original Kitten Mittons (U17162)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/nov/30/manchester-uniteds-edinson-cavani-apologies-for-racist-instagram-post

I think Cavani will receive a 1 match ban for the comment, similar to Silva 12 months ago. I don't condone the use of the word, nor will I be wearing any T shirts in support of Cavani.
Hopefully he now understands here in the UK it's not ok to use these words, and he's learned from it.
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This is tantamount to saying "here in the UK it's not ok to use any language other than English regardless of who you are engaging, in a way that if it's MIStranslated might seem racist to people who have a very weak grasp of the original language or about how languages work in general". Sounds a bit fascist to me.

If Cavani does get any kind of ban, which seems fairly likely going on the opinions expressed here, it will be solely due to a Premier League public image issue and/or a gross misunderstanding of the above.

comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Although it is quite amazing that he wrote it all things considered.
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I don't think it's amazing. I think the fact he responded to a few things on Insta story in a row, and when he got to this one he sat their and wrote it in his native language probably without giving it even a nanoseconds thought to me just shows how much of a non issue this is to someone from his country.

comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by *Robbing Hoody - Clandestine Boat Pleb (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Although it is quite amazing that he wrote it all things considered.
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I don't think it's amazing. I think the fact he responded to a few things on Insta story in a row, and when he got to this one he sat their and wrote it in his native language probably without giving it even a nanoseconds thought to me just shows how much of a non issue this is to someone from his country.
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I do get what you're saying.

Okay what's below amazing because given that he is team mates with Suarez and plays for Utd I'd probably put it in the top 5 silly things you can say after just enabling the best comeback of the season.

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 21 minutes ago
He'll get a 3 match ban.
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Having seen that there was apparently an update to rules on this kind of thing over summer, and in light of BLM and players taking the knee, I think there is a good chance that Cavani will get a three-game ban. If that happens, I will accept it as the penalty what seems to have been a mistake, though I think it's pretty harsh (so harsh as to be clumsy, if I'm honest). I'm sure most United fans on here will have a similar stance. There is, however, still the possibility that he won't be punished at all. And if that happens, I don't think anybody can have any serious complaints. You say to bloodred that you are not arguing about the context of the Cavani Instagram post and how it does or does not relate to Suarez; fair enough. But if Cavani gets no punishment, the first person to say "but when Suarez did it..." will have made a mistake about the context of the two incidents, whether they know it or not.

Yeah when you think about it like that it's daft, but there's no way he's sat and thought about it at all. He's just read something and replied to a friend/fan or whatever in his native language with a (hate this expression now) 'term of endearment'.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 24 minutes ago
It is a rather funny situation where we are telling someone what a word means in their language and that it can cause offence in our language so they cannot use it in their language.

Makes no sense at all for him to get a ban but 2020 world rarely makes sense
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Yeah definitely. It's not even as if Instagram is solely an English social, or are we claiming it as our own and saying other languages are not allowed to be used on it?

Suarez for context was different as he was in a confrontational exchange and he was on a pitch in England.

As a question, because I've researched this online and haven't found any comment on the matter, does anybody know for an actual fact that the bloke he was addressing is actually a black man?

I did find a link reporting that this user in particular (whose profile is private) is one of only 300-odd people who Cavani himself follows, so presumably they are acquainted to some extent.

As I've said elsewhere on the thread, I have close Latin American friends who address their own partners using the negro/a term without either of them actually being black people - it follows that when they use the term in this way, the word is stripped of any contextual reference to race. Would the term suddenly become racist if their partner did happen to be black? Could they then be accused of psychological abuse if they're in a long-term relationship and have been using the term ever since they met?

The etymology of the word in this case becomes irrelevant, just as it is irrelevant to us that the term barbaric stems from a Greek word that simply meant 'foreign'. Are we then going to ban anyone using that word on the grounds that its use is xenophobic? Should parents be jailed or reprimanded for naming their daughter Barbara?

comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yeah when you think about it like that it's daft, but there's no way he's sat and thought about it at all. He's just read something and replied to a friend/fan or whatever in his native language with a (hate this expression now) 'term of endearment'.
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Absolutely.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 minutes ago
As a question, because I've researched this online and haven't found any comment on the matter, does anybody know for an actual fact that the bloke he was addressing is actually a black man?

I did find a link reporting that this user in particular (whose profile is private) is one of only 300-odd people who Cavani himself follows, so presumably they are acquainted to some extent.

As I've said elsewhere on the thread, I have close Latin American friends who address their own partners using the negro/a term without either of them actually being black people - it follows that when they use the term in this way, the word is stripped of any contextual reference to race. Would the term suddenly become racist if their partner did happen to be black? Could they then be accused of psychological abuse if they're in a long-term relationship and have been using the term ever since they met?

The etymology of the word in this case becomes irrelevant, just as it is irrelevant to us that the term barbaric stems from a Greek word that simply meant 'foreign'. Are we then going to ban anyone using that word on the grounds that its use is xenophobic? Should parents be jailed or reprimanded for naming their daughter Barbara?
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The picture I saw was him with a white man, but I don't know if that's the person in question.

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Yup, thought so!

Yeah, I saw that too Pride, but I don't know if it's him either. Odd if it isn't, to just place a random pic of himself with a fan.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYR3dorshwA

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 seconds ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYR3dorshwA
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