comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 47 seconds ago
Yes because his game is not and never has been about scoring goals. Creates on average 1.44 chances per game, won the ball back more times than any other player last season (37) and his hard work never goes unnoticed either.
Not scoring as often as what he used to do, but he's still playing in that team for a reason.
You're comparing a squad striker who may be past his prime years with somebody who is consistently playing in one of the world's best sides. There really is little comparison tbh.
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When Mane, Salah and Jota are fit, Firmino is not in Liverpool's team. Why Klopp signed Jota and tried to sign Werner. Because he wanted to replace Firmino.
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He is though because he still is in that team. Nobody wanted to replace Firmino, the squad needed strengthening in attacking areas, which has now been done and there is great competition for places.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 11 minutes ago
Oh wow, he creates 1.44 chances per game. That definitely makes up for him scoring 2 goals in 17 games.
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You can't big up a stat that makes him look poor when that was never his game anyway and then completely disregard what his game is about.
This is why nobody ever takes your points seriously Wahl. That and you're a WUM.
You can't big up a stat that makes him look poor when that was never his game anyway
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He's a striker man. A striker needs to score goals. 2 goals in 17 is shocking. Zouma has scored more goals than Firmino this season, and he's our Centre Back.
Roberto Firmino, 20/21 season - 2 goals in 17 games
Kurt Zouma, 20/21 season - 4 goals in 16 games
"More important than Salah" - Liverpool fan
"10/10 would watch bobby no goal again" - Gill Bates
"A player that is not for everybody but has a little bit of everything for every Liverpool fans" - Jacqueline McCafferty
"Reminds me of Benny Harvey, rest in piece my friend" - Rimmy
Firmino might have only scored 12 goals last season, but virtually all his goals were important ones.
He scored the winning goal in 5 prem games equalling 10 points, scored the winner in both CWC games, scored the goal that would have seen us beat Atletico had Adrian not then messed it up.
Using goals to game ratio is also flawed given he's played 5 CL games, but combined they account for just 145 minutes.
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comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 17 minutes ago
You can't big up a stat that makes him look poor when that was never his game anyway
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He's a striker man. A striker needs to score goals. 2 goals in 17 is shocking. Zouma has scored more goals than Firmino this season, and he's our Centre Back.
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No they don't always. Your footballing knowledge is so flawed. I say this every time you comment.
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That's what he does. Whatever can make Liverpool or a Liverpool player look bad is what he would use in his argument, even though it goes against everything else he says.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 8 minutes ago
You can't big up a stat that makes him look poor when that was never his game anyway
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He's a striker man. A striker needs to score goals. 2 goals in 17 is shocking. Zouma has scored more goals than Firmino this season, and he's our Centre Back.
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Giroud doesn't score goals for France though, how many did he get in the World Cup?
Your argument literally flip flops from importance to the team and how they play to the amount of goals scored.
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"Having become France's second highest all-time top scorer on Wednesday by leapfrogging Michel Platini with 42 goals, Olivier Giroud is now gunning for Thierry Henry's all-time record of 51"
Bahahahahahahaha
Giroud is France's all time 2nd top goalscorer but he doesn't score goals for France
Nobody has even said Giroud is a bad player Wahl, or I know I haven't. He just isn't as good as Firmino, literally what don't you understand?
How many goals has Giroud got for France in the last couple of seasons? Club and country?
He is their SECOND ALL TIME TOP GOALSCORER. What don't you understand?
I am saying Giroud is better than Firmino. Again, what don't you understand?
No one can even give on good reason as for why Firmino is better. Oh he creates 1.44 chances a game, furrrknig amazing. Oh he wins the ball back a lot, wow. He has scored 2 goals in 17 games this season and 13 in 52 last season. That's all that needs to be said about how good firmino is.
Giroud is much better than Firmino.
He’s bigger, stronger and better technically. Some of Giroud’s goals over the years have been ridiculous. Giroud has also won a lot more, including the World Cup.
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 33 seconds ago
He is their SECOND ALL TIME TOP GOALSCORER. What don't you understand?
I am saying Giroud is better than Firmino. Again, what don't you understand?
No one can even give on good reason as for why Firmino is better. Oh he creates 1.44 chances a game, furrrknig amazing. Oh he wins the ball back a lot, wow. He has scored 2 goals in 17 games this season and 13 in 52 last season. That's all that needs to be said about how good firmino is.
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Nobody can give me a good reason, yet you have just listed 2 very reasons.
Again, you can't completely disregard the stats which make Firmino the player he is and then try and make Giroud out to be better by naming whatever stats you like.
He's the 2nd top goalscorer for France, well done, that's a very good achievement and he is a good player. But there is a reason he's been a bit part player at club level for the last 3/4 seasons and there is a reason why Firmino still keeps his place despite criticism and he is an integral part of the reason as to why Salah and Mane score as many as they do.
But yeah he doesn't bag 20 a season so he can't be good.
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 1 minute ago
Giroud is much better than Firmino.
He’s bigger, stronger and better technically. Some of Giroud’s goals over the years have been ridiculous. Giroud has also won a lot more, including the World Cup.
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Ffs so Wahl #2 shows up now...
And you equally can't ignore the most important stat for a striker that completely trashes any argument that Firmino is a good striker and that is his goal record.
How do you not understand this?
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 4 minutes ago
And you equally can't ignore the most important stat for a striker that completely trashes any argument that Firmino is a good striker and that is his goal record.
How do you not understand this?
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I'm not. I have said Giroud is a good striker and a very useful option, multiple times. Firmino is better at what he does than what Giroud is at what he does, therefore he is the better player imo.
I don't think this argument is about who is the better striker, it has once again turned into "how can I slag Liverpool or one of their players off and make them sound shiiite." Don't know why you even waste your time, just try and call Liverpool shiiite on all of your articles, you may as well.
What Giroud does is more important than what Firmino does and what Firmino doesn't do is score goals which is the most important thing for a striker.
What is your response to Firmino's goal record. Does it literally not matter to you?
Yes his goalscoring record has dropped off a bit over the last couple of seasons, I aren't denying that, but he still keeps his place despite this because of what else he offers to the team, which is work rate, being great in transition and pressing situations and creativity. It's not, and never has been, down to him to bag 20 goals a season, he is the glue to the attack which makes this happen.
If Giroud was that good being "France's 2nd all time top scorer", he would be doing than playing second fiddle at both Arsenal and Chelsea in the last few seasons, wouldn't he?
Giroud is a fine player. A good option even at his age for most top 6 clubs, but he is not better than, nor more important, than Firmino.
Giroud second fiddle at Chelsea - literally saved our season and got us top 4 last season
You're talking shiiit bro.
I just don’t get what you see in Firmino. His goal scoring stats are terrible. Jota is clearly an upgrade that klopp has signed to replace Firmino. And yet you still say Firmino is great? Makes no sense.
Yeah ok. I'll leave you with that them, cba repeating myself no more.
Firmino doesn't need to be the greatest player in the world, he works for what Liverpool do and how they want to play. And with a CL and league title it's hard to argue that it's not been successful.
Tbh, if you watch Liverpool play and you don't get what Firmino brings to the side then there's no argument or comment posted here that's going to help. You just don't see the game.
Giroud is a great player and arguably does for France what Firmino has done for Liverpool - knits the attack together. They looked toothless in the WC without Giroud, put him in as a focal point and they looked great. It works for the team. Ditto Firmino and Liverpool.
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posted on 8/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 47 seconds ago
Yes because his game is not and never has been about scoring goals. Creates on average 1.44 chances per game, won the ball back more times than any other player last season (37) and his hard work never goes unnoticed either.
Not scoring as often as what he used to do, but he's still playing in that team for a reason.
You're comparing a squad striker who may be past his prime years with somebody who is consistently playing in one of the world's best sides. There really is little comparison tbh.
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When Mane, Salah and Jota are fit, Firmino is not in Liverpool's team. Why Klopp signed Jota and tried to sign Werner. Because he wanted to replace Firmino.
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He is though because he still is in that team. Nobody wanted to replace Firmino, the squad needed strengthening in attacking areas, which has now been done and there is great competition for places.
posted on 8/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 11 minutes ago
Oh wow, he creates 1.44 chances per game. That definitely makes up for him scoring 2 goals in 17 games.
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You can't big up a stat that makes him look poor when that was never his game anyway and then completely disregard what his game is about.
This is why nobody ever takes your points seriously Wahl. That and you're a WUM.
posted on 8/12/20
You can't big up a stat that makes him look poor when that was never his game anyway
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He's a striker man. A striker needs to score goals. 2 goals in 17 is shocking. Zouma has scored more goals than Firmino this season, and he's our Centre Back.
posted on 8/12/20
Roberto Firmino, 20/21 season - 2 goals in 17 games
Kurt Zouma, 20/21 season - 4 goals in 16 games
posted on 8/12/20
"More important than Salah" - Liverpool fan
"10/10 would watch bobby no goal again" - Gill Bates
"A player that is not for everybody but has a little bit of everything for every Liverpool fans" - Jacqueline McCafferty
"Reminds me of Benny Harvey, rest in piece my friend" - Rimmy
posted on 8/12/20
Firmino might have only scored 12 goals last season, but virtually all his goals were important ones.
He scored the winning goal in 5 prem games equalling 10 points, scored the winner in both CWC games, scored the goal that would have seen us beat Atletico had Adrian not then messed it up.
Using goals to game ratio is also flawed given he's played 5 CL games, but combined they account for just 145 minutes.
posted on 8/12/20
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posted on 8/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 17 minutes ago
You can't big up a stat that makes him look poor when that was never his game anyway
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He's a striker man. A striker needs to score goals. 2 goals in 17 is shocking. Zouma has scored more goals than Firmino this season, and he's our Centre Back.
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No they don't always. Your footballing knowledge is so flawed. I say this every time you comment.
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posted on 8/12/20
That's what he does. Whatever can make Liverpool or a Liverpool player look bad is what he would use in his argument, even though it goes against everything else he says.
posted on 8/12/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 8 minutes ago
You can't big up a stat that makes him look poor when that was never his game anyway
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He's a striker man. A striker needs to score goals. 2 goals in 17 is shocking. Zouma has scored more goals than Firmino this season, and he's our Centre Back.
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Giroud doesn't score goals for France though, how many did he get in the World Cup?
Your argument literally flip flops from importance to the team and how they play to the amount of goals scored.
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"Having become France's second highest all-time top scorer on Wednesday by leapfrogging Michel Platini with 42 goals, Olivier Giroud is now gunning for Thierry Henry's all-time record of 51"
Bahahahahahahaha
posted on 8/12/20
Giroud is France's all time 2nd top goalscorer but he doesn't score goals for France
posted on 8/12/20
Nobody has even said Giroud is a bad player Wahl, or I know I haven't. He just isn't as good as Firmino, literally what don't you understand?
How many goals has Giroud got for France in the last couple of seasons? Club and country?
posted on 8/12/20
He is their SECOND ALL TIME TOP GOALSCORER. What don't you understand?
I am saying Giroud is better than Firmino. Again, what don't you understand?
No one can even give on good reason as for why Firmino is better. Oh he creates 1.44 chances a game, furrrknig amazing. Oh he wins the ball back a lot, wow. He has scored 2 goals in 17 games this season and 13 in 52 last season. That's all that needs to be said about how good firmino is.
posted on 8/12/20
Giroud is much better than Firmino.
He’s bigger, stronger and better technically. Some of Giroud’s goals over the years have been ridiculous. Giroud has also won a lot more, including the World Cup.
posted on 8/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 33 seconds ago
He is their SECOND ALL TIME TOP GOALSCORER. What don't you understand?
I am saying Giroud is better than Firmino. Again, what don't you understand?
No one can even give on good reason as for why Firmino is better. Oh he creates 1.44 chances a game, furrrknig amazing. Oh he wins the ball back a lot, wow. He has scored 2 goals in 17 games this season and 13 in 52 last season. That's all that needs to be said about how good firmino is.
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Nobody can give me a good reason, yet you have just listed 2 very reasons.
Again, you can't completely disregard the stats which make Firmino the player he is and then try and make Giroud out to be better by naming whatever stats you like.
He's the 2nd top goalscorer for France, well done, that's a very good achievement and he is a good player. But there is a reason he's been a bit part player at club level for the last 3/4 seasons and there is a reason why Firmino still keeps his place despite criticism and he is an integral part of the reason as to why Salah and Mane score as many as they do.
But yeah he doesn't bag 20 a season so he can't be good.
posted on 8/12/20
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 1 minute ago
Giroud is much better than Firmino.
He’s bigger, stronger and better technically. Some of Giroud’s goals over the years have been ridiculous. Giroud has also won a lot more, including the World Cup.
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Ffs so Wahl #2 shows up now...
posted on 8/12/20
And you equally can't ignore the most important stat for a striker that completely trashes any argument that Firmino is a good striker and that is his goal record.
How do you not understand this?
posted on 8/12/20
comment by Wahl Icht ; (U22469)
posted 4 minutes ago
And you equally can't ignore the most important stat for a striker that completely trashes any argument that Firmino is a good striker and that is his goal record.
How do you not understand this?
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I'm not. I have said Giroud is a good striker and a very useful option, multiple times. Firmino is better at what he does than what Giroud is at what he does, therefore he is the better player imo.
I don't think this argument is about who is the better striker, it has once again turned into "how can I slag Liverpool or one of their players off and make them sound shiiite." Don't know why you even waste your time, just try and call Liverpool shiiite on all of your articles, you may as well.
posted on 8/12/20
What Giroud does is more important than what Firmino does and what Firmino doesn't do is score goals which is the most important thing for a striker.
What is your response to Firmino's goal record. Does it literally not matter to you?
posted on 8/12/20
Yes his goalscoring record has dropped off a bit over the last couple of seasons, I aren't denying that, but he still keeps his place despite this because of what else he offers to the team, which is work rate, being great in transition and pressing situations and creativity. It's not, and never has been, down to him to bag 20 goals a season, he is the glue to the attack which makes this happen.
If Giroud was that good being "France's 2nd all time top scorer", he would be doing than playing second fiddle at both Arsenal and Chelsea in the last few seasons, wouldn't he?
Giroud is a fine player. A good option even at his age for most top 6 clubs, but he is not better than, nor more important, than Firmino.
posted on 8/12/20
Giroud second fiddle at Chelsea - literally saved our season and got us top 4 last season
You're talking shiiit bro.
posted on 8/12/20
I just don’t get what you see in Firmino. His goal scoring stats are terrible. Jota is clearly an upgrade that klopp has signed to replace Firmino. And yet you still say Firmino is great? Makes no sense.
posted on 8/12/20
Yeah ok. I'll leave you with that them, cba repeating myself no more.
posted on 8/12/20
Firmino doesn't need to be the greatest player in the world, he works for what Liverpool do and how they want to play. And with a CL and league title it's hard to argue that it's not been successful.
Tbh, if you watch Liverpool play and you don't get what Firmino brings to the side then there's no argument or comment posted here that's going to help. You just don't see the game.
Giroud is a great player and arguably does for France what Firmino has done for Liverpool - knits the attack together. They looked toothless in the WC without Giroud, put him in as a focal point and they looked great. It works for the team. Ditto Firmino and Liverpool.
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