I thought Podence was having a poor game for the first hour. Passing wise he gave the ball away more than all bar Silva and Semedo.
Who is this Otawosie?
I do read Joe Edwards’ ratings after every game and generally think they’re rubbish. Podence took his goal really well but had been pretty anonymous before then. I would have scored Neves, Coady, Boly, Saiss, Marcal, Neto and Silva higher than him over the 90 minutes
I thought Otasowie did well when he came on but to give him 8 out of 10 for half a game is stretching it
Yeah as is always the case people will get carried away with a youngster having a good half of football. Reality is that we will rarely see Otasowie when players are fit.
Actually found it quite amazing yesterday on MM that many thought it was a tactical change ffs. As if Nuno has ever ever made that kind of change at half time for a young lad.
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted 24 minutes ago
I thought Podence was having a poor game for the first hour. Passing wise he gave the ball away more than all bar Silva and Semedo.
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I think you will find that with him some games because he is constantly trying to make things happen. More so when we play a formation with less attacking players.
Even if he has a bad game though, he is the type of player that can pull a moment of brilliance out of nowhere and win it.
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted about an hour ago
3 at the back is and has been the system that's got us where we are today and to suggest that putting one more player at the back when teams are trying to stifle us makes no sense.
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Eh? Playing four at the back opens up an attacking spot. Wing backs are not particularly effective if a team sit back and stifle. 4-2-3-1 basically gives us that extra attacking midfielder you have literally asked for in your paragraphs sandwiching this comment above.
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The oldies are just going through a period of self-confirmation where they will agree with each other and decide they are right. Let them get on with it.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted 24 minutes ago
I thought Podence was having a poor game for the first hour. Passing wise he gave the ball away more than all bar Silva and Semedo.
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I think you will find that with him some games because he is constantly trying to make things happen. More so when we play a formation with less attacking players.
Even if he has a bad game though, he is the type of player that can pull a moment of brilliance out of nowhere and win it.
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Yep, no problem with it, good to have players at least trying to get us moving forward.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted about an hour ago
3 at the back is and has been the system that's got us where we are today and to suggest that putting one more player at the back when teams are trying to stifle us makes no sense.
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Eh? Playing four at the back opens up an attacking spot. Wing backs are not particularly effective if a team sit back and stifle. 4-2-3-1 basically gives us that extra attacking midfielder you have literally asked for in your paragraphs sandwiching this comment above.
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The oldies are just going through a period of self-confirmation where they will agree with each other and decide they are right. Let them get on with it.
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To be honest, I don't know about you but I just sit here smugly grinning about the fact we have indeed delved into a four at the back model this term after being told quite emphatically it would never happen as long as Nuno had a hole in his ass.
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted about an hour ago
3 at the back is and has been the system that's got us where we are today and to suggest that putting one more player at the back when teams are trying to stifle us makes no sense.
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Eh? Playing four at the back opens up an attacking spot. Wing backs are not particularly effective if a team sit back and stifle. 4-2-3-1 basically gives us that extra attacking midfielder you have literally asked for in your paragraphs sandwiching this comment above.
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The oldies are just going through a period of self-confirmation where they will agree with each other and decide they are right. Let them get on with it.
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To be honest, I don't know about you but I just sit here smugly grinning about the fact we have indeed delved into a four at the back model this term after being told quite emphatically it would never happen as long as Nuno had a hole in his ass.
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And also being told that Coady couldn't play in a back 4......yeah right
I think DJ is correct when he days that certain players are more suited to one system and some to another. What we have seen in the past with Nuno and his coaches though is an ability to move players out of their comfort zone and adapt to other roles. I'm sure that what is needed for us fans above anything else is patience and trust. Nuno has a knack of making things work and I believe he is developing a top class squad which is not only adaptable but will ultimately become unpredictable too.
I for one am enjoying watching this slow development and improvement in the squad. When I think back to the squad that Nuno inherited and look at what we have now and how far we have come, I still sometimes think I'm dreaming.
Just to highlight the point that I made above, Nuno was appointed on 31st May 2017. The last game of the 2016/17 season was home game against Preston. The squad for that game was
Harry Burgoyne
Andy Lonergan
Danny Batth
Kortney Hause
Silvio
Conner Coady
Dominic Iorfa
Richard Stearman
Romain Saiss
Dave Edwards
George Saville
Jordan Graham
Lee Evans
Andi Weimann
Nouha Dicko
Jon Dadi Bodvarsson
Bright Enobakhare
Joe Mason
I shudder when I look at that line up.
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted about 4 hours ago
Who is this Otawosie?
I do read Joe Edwards’ ratings after every game and generally think they’re rubbish. Podence took his goal really well but had been pretty anonymous before then. I would have scored Neves, Coady, Boly, Saiss, Marcal, Neto and Silva higher than him over the 90 minutes
I thought Otasowie did well when he came on but to give him 8 out of 10 for half a game is stretching it
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I think many factors and considerations are taken into account when giving a player a score, high or otherwise. The fact it was Otasowie's Premier League debut will undoubtedly be a contributory factor in marking him highly. Had he been an ever-present this season, it may have been a 7. Sounds fair to me.
I think one of the things that came out of last night was that Coady looked far far more comfortable in a back 3 than he has ever done in a back 4. If we play 4 at the back my first choice at the centre of defence would be Boly and Kilman. But our best defence is with Coady playing behind both of them
Another interesting fact I learned last week was that you must play a centre forward to have a focal point to the attack. 0-1 when our centre forward went off last night, I can only think the last half hour was an anomaly
Probably was an anomaly. Do you think we would score more throughout a season without a centre forward? Is that where your argument is going now?
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about a minute ago
Probably was an anomaly. Do you think we would score more throughout a season without a centre forward? Is that where your argument is going now?
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I knew we should have cashed in on Jimenez when we had the chance
comment by bostonwolf (U17353)
posted 32 minutes ago
I shudder when I look at that line up.
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There are (or were) some very good Championship and League 1 players there. In all honesty there are only
2 Premier League class players in that squad and they both played last night.
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about a minute ago
Probably was an anomaly. Do you think we would score more throughout a season without a centre forward? Is that where your argument is going now?
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I knew we should have cashed in on Jimenez when we had the chance
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Remember as well that neither Neto or Podence have goalscoring instincts or support a striker enough, so the answer to our problems must be to play with no striker based on a 30 minute spell of football.
As I said last week there are times when no centre forward will work. Seem to remember lots of arguments against that
Dont recall anyone saying we should play without a centre forward all season.
comment by GeminMallorca Wenger sort out VAR FFS! (U18318)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by bostonwolf (U17353)
posted 32 minutes ago
I shudder when I look at that line up.
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There are (or were) some very good Championship and League 1 players there. In all honesty there are only
2 Premier League class players in that squad and they both played last night.
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Quite right, but there was some s**t as well.
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
Who is this Otawosie?
"I do read Joe Edwards’ ratings after every game and generally think they’re rubbish..."
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Well of course you do, but like you've told us over the years, it's better to be at the game, then watch it on TV. Guess what, Joe Edwards was at the game and you weren't.
Not quite sure what point you are trying to make
If there are 30,000 people at a game are you under the impression every one of them comes away with an identical opinion?
Some eye catching results in the Premier League early kick offs. Leeds thrashing Newcastle after scoring 3 in the last quarter of an hour. Very good win by Everton at Leicester. And two more points dropped at home by Arsenal who remain rooted in the bottom half of the table
comment by GeminMallorca Wenger sort out VAR FFS! (U18318)
posted 6 hours, 53 minutes ago
Just to highlight the point that I made above, Nuno was appointed on 31st May 2017. The last game of the 2016/17 season was home game against Preston. The squad for that game was
Harry Burgoyne
Andy Lonergan
Danny Batth
Kortney Hause
Silvio
Conner Coady
Dominic Iorfa
Richard Stearman
Romain Saiss
Dave Edwards
George Saville
Jordan Graham
Lee Evans
Andi Weimann
Nouha Dicko
Jon Dadi Bodvarsson
Bright Enobakhare
Joe Mason
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Bodvarsson scored the other day i think, at Millwall now i believe where Jed Wallace now runs the show.
Some of those guys have fallen off a cliff though.
The point I'm making, is that you never respect anyone else's opinion. You've always stated that you can form a better overall performance of a player/s if you are actually at the match. Well guess what, Joe Edwards WAS at the match and you weren't. So to call his assessment of the players HE SAW live, rubbish, just sums you up, I'm afraid.
I don't often agree with what Uncle Herbert posts on here, but he's right in one respect and that is, you come across as a "know it all"
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted about 12 hours ago
As I said last week there are times when no centre forward will work. Seem to remember lots of arguments against that
Dont recall anyone saying we should play without a centre forward all season.
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So did I, when you play a pressing game in which you have a lot of the possession at a higher tempo. When you are trapped in your own half you need a focal point to hold up the ball.
However, as you have decided to completely misinterpret everything I say and ridicule it, I thought I would follow your lead.
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posted on 16/12/20
I thought Podence was having a poor game for the first hour. Passing wise he gave the ball away more than all bar Silva and Semedo.
posted on 16/12/20
Who is this Otawosie?
I do read Joe Edwards’ ratings after every game and generally think they’re rubbish. Podence took his goal really well but had been pretty anonymous before then. I would have scored Neves, Coady, Boly, Saiss, Marcal, Neto and Silva higher than him over the 90 minutes
I thought Otasowie did well when he came on but to give him 8 out of 10 for half a game is stretching it
posted on 16/12/20
Yeah as is always the case people will get carried away with a youngster having a good half of football. Reality is that we will rarely see Otasowie when players are fit.
Actually found it quite amazing yesterday on MM that many thought it was a tactical change ffs. As if Nuno has ever ever made that kind of change at half time for a young lad.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted 24 minutes ago
I thought Podence was having a poor game for the first hour. Passing wise he gave the ball away more than all bar Silva and Semedo.
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I think you will find that with him some games because he is constantly trying to make things happen. More so when we play a formation with less attacking players.
Even if he has a bad game though, he is the type of player that can pull a moment of brilliance out of nowhere and win it.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted about an hour ago
3 at the back is and has been the system that's got us where we are today and to suggest that putting one more player at the back when teams are trying to stifle us makes no sense.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Eh? Playing four at the back opens up an attacking spot. Wing backs are not particularly effective if a team sit back and stifle. 4-2-3-1 basically gives us that extra attacking midfielder you have literally asked for in your paragraphs sandwiching this comment above.
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The oldies are just going through a period of self-confirmation where they will agree with each other and decide they are right. Let them get on with it.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted 24 minutes ago
I thought Podence was having a poor game for the first hour. Passing wise he gave the ball away more than all bar Silva and Semedo.
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I think you will find that with him some games because he is constantly trying to make things happen. More so when we play a formation with less attacking players.
Even if he has a bad game though, he is the type of player that can pull a moment of brilliance out of nowhere and win it.
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Yep, no problem with it, good to have players at least trying to get us moving forward.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted about an hour ago
3 at the back is and has been the system that's got us where we are today and to suggest that putting one more player at the back when teams are trying to stifle us makes no sense.
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Eh? Playing four at the back opens up an attacking spot. Wing backs are not particularly effective if a team sit back and stifle. 4-2-3-1 basically gives us that extra attacking midfielder you have literally asked for in your paragraphs sandwiching this comment above.
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The oldies are just going through a period of self-confirmation where they will agree with each other and decide they are right. Let them get on with it.
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To be honest, I don't know about you but I just sit here smugly grinning about the fact we have indeed delved into a four at the back model this term after being told quite emphatically it would never happen as long as Nuno had a hole in his ass.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted about an hour ago
3 at the back is and has been the system that's got us where we are today and to suggest that putting one more player at the back when teams are trying to stifle us makes no sense.
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Eh? Playing four at the back opens up an attacking spot. Wing backs are not particularly effective if a team sit back and stifle. 4-2-3-1 basically gives us that extra attacking midfielder you have literally asked for in your paragraphs sandwiching this comment above.
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The oldies are just going through a period of self-confirmation where they will agree with each other and decide they are right. Let them get on with it.
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To be honest, I don't know about you but I just sit here smugly grinning about the fact we have indeed delved into a four at the back model this term after being told quite emphatically it would never happen as long as Nuno had a hole in his ass.
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And also being told that Coady couldn't play in a back 4......yeah right
posted on 16/12/20
I think DJ is correct when he days that certain players are more suited to one system and some to another. What we have seen in the past with Nuno and his coaches though is an ability to move players out of their comfort zone and adapt to other roles. I'm sure that what is needed for us fans above anything else is patience and trust. Nuno has a knack of making things work and I believe he is developing a top class squad which is not only adaptable but will ultimately become unpredictable too.
I for one am enjoying watching this slow development and improvement in the squad. When I think back to the squad that Nuno inherited and look at what we have now and how far we have come, I still sometimes think I'm dreaming.
posted on 16/12/20
Just to highlight the point that I made above, Nuno was appointed on 31st May 2017. The last game of the 2016/17 season was home game against Preston. The squad for that game was
Harry Burgoyne
Andy Lonergan
Danny Batth
Kortney Hause
Silvio
Conner Coady
Dominic Iorfa
Richard Stearman
Romain Saiss
Dave Edwards
George Saville
Jordan Graham
Lee Evans
Andi Weimann
Nouha Dicko
Jon Dadi Bodvarsson
Bright Enobakhare
Joe Mason
posted on 16/12/20
I shudder when I look at that line up.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted about 4 hours ago
Who is this Otawosie?
I do read Joe Edwards’ ratings after every game and generally think they’re rubbish. Podence took his goal really well but had been pretty anonymous before then. I would have scored Neves, Coady, Boly, Saiss, Marcal, Neto and Silva higher than him over the 90 minutes
I thought Otasowie did well when he came on but to give him 8 out of 10 for half a game is stretching it
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I think many factors and considerations are taken into account when giving a player a score, high or otherwise. The fact it was Otasowie's Premier League debut will undoubtedly be a contributory factor in marking him highly. Had he been an ever-present this season, it may have been a 7. Sounds fair to me.
posted on 16/12/20
I think one of the things that came out of last night was that Coady looked far far more comfortable in a back 3 than he has ever done in a back 4. If we play 4 at the back my first choice at the centre of defence would be Boly and Kilman. But our best defence is with Coady playing behind both of them
Another interesting fact I learned last week was that you must play a centre forward to have a focal point to the attack. 0-1 when our centre forward went off last night, I can only think the last half hour was an anomaly
posted on 16/12/20
Probably was an anomaly. Do you think we would score more throughout a season without a centre forward? Is that where your argument is going now?
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about a minute ago
Probably was an anomaly. Do you think we would score more throughout a season without a centre forward? Is that where your argument is going now?
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I knew we should have cashed in on Jimenez when we had the chance
posted on 16/12/20
comment by bostonwolf (U17353)
posted 32 minutes ago
I shudder when I look at that line up.
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There are (or were) some very good Championship and League 1 players there. In all honesty there are only
2 Premier League class players in that squad and they both played last night.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Cinciwolf in the desert (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about a minute ago
Probably was an anomaly. Do you think we would score more throughout a season without a centre forward? Is that where your argument is going now?
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I knew we should have cashed in on Jimenez when we had the chance
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Remember as well that neither Neto or Podence have goalscoring instincts or support a striker enough, so the answer to our problems must be to play with no striker based on a 30 minute spell of football.
posted on 16/12/20
As I said last week there are times when no centre forward will work. Seem to remember lots of arguments against that
Dont recall anyone saying we should play without a centre forward all season.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by GeminMallorca Wenger sort out VAR FFS! (U18318)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by bostonwolf (U17353)
posted 32 minutes ago
I shudder when I look at that line up.
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There are (or were) some very good Championship and League 1 players there. In all honesty there are only
2 Premier League class players in that squad and they both played last night.
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Quite right, but there was some s**t as well.
posted on 16/12/20
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
Who is this Otawosie?
"I do read Joe Edwards’ ratings after every game and generally think they’re rubbish..."
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Well of course you do, but like you've told us over the years, it's better to be at the game, then watch it on TV. Guess what, Joe Edwards was at the game and you weren't.
posted on 16/12/20
Not quite sure what point you are trying to make
If there are 30,000 people at a game are you under the impression every one of them comes away with an identical opinion?
posted on 16/12/20
Some eye catching results in the Premier League early kick offs. Leeds thrashing Newcastle after scoring 3 in the last quarter of an hour. Very good win by Everton at Leicester. And two more points dropped at home by Arsenal who remain rooted in the bottom half of the table
posted on 17/12/20
comment by GeminMallorca Wenger sort out VAR FFS! (U18318)
posted 6 hours, 53 minutes ago
Just to highlight the point that I made above, Nuno was appointed on 31st May 2017. The last game of the 2016/17 season was home game against Preston. The squad for that game was
Harry Burgoyne
Andy Lonergan
Danny Batth
Kortney Hause
Silvio
Conner Coady
Dominic Iorfa
Richard Stearman
Romain Saiss
Dave Edwards
George Saville
Jordan Graham
Lee Evans
Andi Weimann
Nouha Dicko
Jon Dadi Bodvarsson
Bright Enobakhare
Joe Mason
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Bodvarsson scored the other day i think, at Millwall now i believe where Jed Wallace now runs the show.
Some of those guys have fallen off a cliff though.
posted on 17/12/20
The point I'm making, is that you never respect anyone else's opinion. You've always stated that you can form a better overall performance of a player/s if you are actually at the match. Well guess what, Joe Edwards WAS at the match and you weren't. So to call his assessment of the players HE SAW live, rubbish, just sums you up, I'm afraid.
I don't often agree with what Uncle Herbert posts on here, but he's right in one respect and that is, you come across as a "know it all"
posted on 17/12/20
comment by Spangles (U17289)
posted about 12 hours ago
As I said last week there are times when no centre forward will work. Seem to remember lots of arguments against that
Dont recall anyone saying we should play without a centre forward all season.
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So did I, when you play a pressing game in which you have a lot of the possession at a higher tempo. When you are trapped in your own half you need a focal point to hold up the ball.
However, as you have decided to completely misinterpret everything I say and ridicule it, I thought I would follow your lead.
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