comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 36 seconds ago
Dele’s flicks won us the tie in Amsterdam. If they don’t come off it’s frustrating but otherwise it’s a really effective way of creating a decent opportunity.
If an attacking player tries to pull something off and they don’t deliver - the ball should be far away enough from your own goal that the defence should cope. If they can’t then it’s a fault with the defence
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That's one way of looking at it.
I think Jose's response would be along the lines of - if the team do what I want them to well, we would have already absorbed Ajax's pressure over the two legs and be 2-0 up from two counter attack goals involving Son and Kane, so we never need tricks like those and the risks that they pose.
(Obviously Jose wasn't in charge then, but you get my point).
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I don’t really, no. The reference is about as tenuous as it gets.
Kane didn’t play either tie and Son managed burnt-out minutes the second leg. We were heavily depleted in both. That response would be hearsay anyway as he was unable to get results against Leipzig or Leicester or Liverpool.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is: if Mourinho had his way, had a team fully bought into the way he wants us to play etc (he's getting there), we would never get ourselves in the position of needing to rely on a last minute Dele flick which works one time in twenty. Which is why he doesn't value it. He doesn't value the unpredictability of a player like Dele as he sees the bad side of that rather than the good, he'd rather know what a player is likely to do than have no idea, even if it may work.
Leipzig he hadn't yet got anywhere near as far in his coaching as he has now (see the two Man City games for instance, both 2-0 wins but the first one was pure luck, the second one was calculated and composed).
Liverpool, we got about as close as you can get - the width of a post and we should be defending a corner much better.
Leicester was poor - this type of game is where we seem to have most of our problems and is something Jose needs to work on (however see the previous Leicester game where we won 3-0. So perhaps we put it down to a bad day at the office?)
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I get your point but I just don’t agree with it. His flicks are a lot more effective than ‘one time in twenty’. It’s an effective part of his game to create an opportunity for us (high risk and high rewarded) - and considering our team looks like it is bereft of any creativity at the moment that isn’t ‘a counter from deep’ the chaos he provides is worth it - and our team should really be able to deal with a misplaced pass from one of our furthest forward players (which Kane and Moura etc don’t get chastised for despite doing it throughout the game).
The issue with the ‘2-0 controlled performance’ point is it doesn’t happen all the time. You can’t rewrite history to justify a point especially considering that with a fully fit squad Jose hasn’t been able to recreate that game state. I don’t really mind Jose not starting Dele as he doesn’t fit his starting XI philosophy - but in a team with multiple wasteful players in possession (Sissoko/Moura etc) I find it uncomfortable to publicly shiiiit on a player who was one of our best performers and wasn’t even in the top 5 most at fault for the goal. Maybe it’s just me and I don’t like incidents that are morally repugnant.
comment by Bale is back! .The story continues... (U12707)
posted 7 minutes ago
There is a time and place for tricks and flicks.
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Even between players, everyone accepts there is time and place for them, and doing them and causing the team to lose the ball in our area is a crime tbh
You can do it when we are 2-0 and in the opponents half.
Doing flicks and tricks in your own half, unless you are as skilled as Messi, then that's a naivety written all over it.
Lose the ball, and you can bet it's put the defense on back foot and has handed an opportunity to the opponents
Dele looked a much improved yesterday and is still working progress on removing silly and immature play from his game, specially around his own box.
But it was obvious his work rate has increased and this with his ability to get at the end of moves is huge for us.
Hopefully he's cutting out some of the mistakes.
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 31 minutes ago
Dele’s flicks won us the tie in Amsterdam. If they don’t come off it’s frustrating but otherwise it’s a really effective way of creating a decent opportunity.
If an attacking player tries to pull something off and they don’t deliver - the ball should be far away enough from your own goal that the defence should cope. If they can’t then it’s a fault with the defence
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Football isn’t that simple though. Just cos Dele is an attacking player it doesn’t mean he’ll never give the ball away in our own half.
It’s not right to say the defence should be able to deal with it if he gives it away, even the best teams in the world can be punished from giving the ball away cheaply
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
Mourinho has made a successful career out of challenging players to be better. This whole 'despicable Jose' narrative is good fun, granted, but more often than not he's right. He was right about Pogba and Ndombele. He was right about Luke Shaw and Aurier. We're not accustomed to managers calling out players because they're so pampered and pandered to these days it seems outrageous. But, in my opinion at least, he's got a point here. And it's the same point us fans have been making for years.
Dele's flicks and tricks are great when they come off and create a goal. That's ok but do them in the box, not in midfield. He wasn't going to achieve anything even if it came off yesterday. It was a poor decision and poorly executed. Does that deserve public criticism? Probably not. Has he told Dele to cut it out? Almost certainly. Would any player keep their place in any team if they consistently went against what they'd been told? No.
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How was he right about Shaw or Ndombele?
Was he right for what he did with KDB or Lukaku or Casillas?
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This. He got lucky that Ndombele knuckled down and improved - it didn't work with Pogba, Shaw etc.
However right he may be about Alli being wasteful in possession - and I agree with him - there's a way to deal with it that is more likely to get a positive reaction out of the player.
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
Mourinho has made a successful career out of challenging players to be better. This whole 'despicable Jose' narrative is good fun, granted, but more often than not he's right. He was right about Pogba and Ndombele. He was right about Luke Shaw and Aurier. We're not accustomed to managers calling out players because they're so pampered and pandered to these days it seems outrageous. But, in my opinion at least, he's got a point here. And it's the same point us fans have been making for years.
Dele's flicks and tricks are great when they come off and create a goal. That's ok but do them in the box, not in midfield. He wasn't going to achieve anything even if it came off yesterday. It was a poor decision and poorly executed. Does that deserve public criticism? Probably not. Has he told Dele to cut it out? Almost certainly. Would any player keep their place in any team if they consistently went against what they'd been told? No.
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Who are these players that Jose has humiliated publically that have then ressurectes their playing careers.?
Del Ali is a kant of the highest order, but putti g my prejudice aside, a manager should not treat a player I. That way and I can't see a way back for Ali at Spurs now.
Ps Jose publically criticised KDB when he was at Chelsea and look how that worked out for the club.
if Jose came out and slagged off his trim and facial hair i would have absolutely no problem with that.
comment by Phenom - least knowledgeable spurs poster 2019/20 (U20037)
posted 8 seconds ago
if Jose came out and slagged off his trim and facial hair i would have absolutely no problem with that.
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comment by Phenom - least knowledgeable spurs poster 2019/20 (U20037)
posted 59 seconds ago
if Jose came out and slagged off his trim and facial hair i would have absolutely no problem with that.
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He's probably has, for flicking hair
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
Mourinho has made a successful career out of challenging players to be better. This whole 'despicable Jose' narrative is good fun, granted, but more often than not he's right. He was right about Pogba and Ndombele. He was right about Luke Shaw and Aurier. We're not accustomed to managers calling out players because they're so pampered and pandered to these days it seems outrageous. But, in my opinion at least, he's got a point here. And it's the same point us fans have been making for years.
Dele's flicks and tricks are great when they come off and create a goal. That's ok but do them in the box, not in midfield. He wasn't going to achieve anything even if it came off yesterday. It was a poor decision and poorly executed. Does that deserve public criticism? Probably not. Has he told Dele to cut it out? Almost certainly. Would any player keep their place in any team if they consistently went against what they'd been told? No.
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How was he right about Shaw or Ndombele?
Was he right for what he did with KDB or Lukaku or Casillas?
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This. He got lucky that Ndombele knuckled down and improved - it didn't work with Pogba, Shaw etc.
However right he may be about Alli being wasteful in possession - and I agree with him - there's a way to deal with it that is more likely to get a positive reaction out of the player.
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I'm not sure about that last part. Jose has been here a year now and clearly had this problem with Dele from pretty much the beginning, I seriously doubt that he hasn't tried all he can behind closed doors to stop him doing this sort of thing, and he's hardly a regular starter at the moment, so Jose sees this as a last role of the dice with everything to gain and not much to lose. If it doesn't work, Dele goes as looked on the card before last night. If this finally does get his message across, and Dele becomes what the Manager wants him to, there is everything to gain.
When Cristiano Ronaldo first came to United as a teenager, he did loads and loads of unnecessary tricks and flicks. Ronaldo didn’t like it but Ferguson eventually got him to stop doing it and look what he became.
Del Ali is a kant of the highest order, but putti g my prejudice aside, a manager should not treat a player I. That way and I can't see a way back for Ali at Spurs now.
Ps Jose publically criticised KDB when he was at Chelsea and look how that worked out for the club.
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This does have echoes of Alli potentially becoming their De Bryune doesn't it
I don't think Levy would green light selling Alli even if Jose wanted him too, but you never know.
A few posters in the match thread were getting over excited by Dele's display yday at HT when Winks was oir best player.
As for Jose calling him out. Big deal, it's a man's game so get on with it Dele. Glad Lamela is back. He got stuck in!
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 3 minutes ago
When Cristiano Ronaldo first came to United as a teenager, he did loads and loads of unnecessary tricks and flicks. Ronaldo didn’t like it but Ferguson eventually got him to stop doing it and look what he became.
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Ronaldo used to do his tricks and flicks in opposition half, and not in his own half?
Jose isn't talking about losing the ball in opposition half, look at Moura and Son how many times they lost the ball in the opposition half, and even Kane did so.
Only one player tried flicks and lost the ball: Dele
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 3 minutes ago
When Cristiano Ronaldo first came to United as a teenager, he did loads and loads of unnecessary tricks and flicks. Ronaldo didn’t like it but Ferguson eventually got him to stop doing it and look what he became.
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Ronaldo used to do his tricks and flicks in opposition half, and not in his own half?
Jose isn't talking about losing the ball in opposition half, look at Moura and Son how many times they lost the ball in the opposition half, and even Kane did so.
Only one player tried flicks and lost the ball: Dele
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Mean to say tried flicks in how own half
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 1 minute ago
Del Ali is a kant of the highest order, but putti g my prejudice aside, a manager should not treat a player I. That way and I can't see a way back for Ali at Spurs now.
Ps Jose publically criticised KDB when he was at Chelsea and look how that worked out for the club.
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This does have echoes of Alli potentially becoming their De Bryune doesn't it
I don't think Levy would green light selling Alli even if Jose wanted him too, but you never know.
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Depends if we can buy a better player or fund a gap in the team like CB or DM.
A few posters in the match thread were getting over excited by Dele's display yday at HT when Winks was oir best player.
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Our best player was Bale
Dele played really well and looked leaner and provided threat and he was at the end of couple of good chances and linked up with Kane.
He got the praise he deserved
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 41 seconds ago
A few posters in the match thread were getting over excited by Dele's display yday at HT when Winks was oir best player.
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Our best player was Bale
Dele played really well and looked leaner and provided threat and he was at the end of couple of good chances and linked up with Kane.
He got the praise he deserved
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Apart from scoring the goal Bale gave the ball away upteen times. You're crazy mate.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 32 minutes ago
I reckon José has a point. It's not like it's news that Dele is doing fancy flicks and giving the ball away. I bet there's a few in the dressing room that are sick of having to win the ball back because of him, too.
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Can’t it be looked at as trying different things (that others can’t do) that sometimes pay off and sometimes don’t?
Why must everybody become a plodding workhorse under Jose???
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Bringing it out in public and attacking the player publicly is despicable and typical Jose. Addressing issues like that is why you have a manager. Jose doesn't need to tell us what work is needed because its his job to do that work. We don't need to be hearing this IMO. Handle it indoors.
I'm sure Alli isn't the only player he has ever had an issue with. Why make the Alli issue a public one? Why not the next guy? It's how Jose operates. Other managers have similar issues too I'm sure, it doesn't happen to Jose alone, but rarely if ever do you see a manager making such an issue a public affair.
Poor Alli needs to find a new club. Somebody always gets hurt when Jose is around and too bad this time it had to be him.
How convenient he's now said this just when Spurs have lost some pace in the league. Good distraction. Tell Jose to stop crying and manage the team.
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comment by 1maneontherun (U4291)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 32 minutes ago
I reckon José has a point. It's not like it's news that Dele is doing fancy flicks and giving the ball away. I bet there's a few in the dressing room that are sick of having to win the ball back because of him, too.
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Can’t it be looked at as trying different things (that others can’t do) that sometimes pay off and sometimes don’t?
Why must everybody become a plodding workhorse under Jose???
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Bringing it out in public and attacking the player publicly is despicable and typical Jose. Addressing issues like that is why you have a manager. Jose doesn't need to tell us what work is needed because its his job to do that work. We don't need to be hearing this IMO. Handle it indoors.
I'm sure Alli isn't the only player he has ever had an issue with. Why make the Alli issue a public one? Why not the next guy? It's how Jose operates. Other managers have similar issues too I'm sure, it doesn't happen to Jose alone, but rarely if ever do you see a manager making such an issue a public affair.
Poor Alli needs to find a new club. Somebody always gets hurt when Jose is around and too bad this time it had to be him.
How convenient he's now said this just when Spurs have lost some pace in the league. Good distraction. Tell Jose to stop crying and manage the team.
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But Ali has got an attitude problem!
He's similar but not as toxic as Pogba is/was.
Maybe Poch will take Alli to PSG? He can expand his fashion brand in Paris. Everyone is a winner.
This is why the media love Jose.
Look at these United and Chelsea fans, who can't get over him.
Look at the Spurs fans, some of us are confused as fk and don't know what to make of it all. Others growing impatient
Some of us have jumped on the Jose train and want to see where it takes...
Overall, you hate him or love him, Jose is a conversation piece
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
This is why the media love Jose.
Look at these United and Chelsea fans, who can't get over him.
Look at the Spurs fans, some of us are confused as fk and don't know what to make of it all. Others growing impatient
Some of us have jumped on the Jose train and want to see where it takes...
Overall, you hate him or love him, Jose is a conversation piece
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Add Liverpool fans, who can't get over him stopping them winning the league -- Slippy G style
comment by LukaBrasi LOL (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
Maybe Poch will take Alli to PSG? He can expand his fashion brand in Paris. Everyone is a winner.
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I think that would be a good move! maybe £30 million?
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posted on 24/12/20
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 36 seconds ago
Dele’s flicks won us the tie in Amsterdam. If they don’t come off it’s frustrating but otherwise it’s a really effective way of creating a decent opportunity.
If an attacking player tries to pull something off and they don’t deliver - the ball should be far away enough from your own goal that the defence should cope. If they can’t then it’s a fault with the defence
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That's one way of looking at it.
I think Jose's response would be along the lines of - if the team do what I want them to well, we would have already absorbed Ajax's pressure over the two legs and be 2-0 up from two counter attack goals involving Son and Kane, so we never need tricks like those and the risks that they pose.
(Obviously Jose wasn't in charge then, but you get my point).
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I don’t really, no. The reference is about as tenuous as it gets.
Kane didn’t play either tie and Son managed burnt-out minutes the second leg. We were heavily depleted in both. That response would be hearsay anyway as he was unable to get results against Leipzig or Leicester or Liverpool.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is: if Mourinho had his way, had a team fully bought into the way he wants us to play etc (he's getting there), we would never get ourselves in the position of needing to rely on a last minute Dele flick which works one time in twenty. Which is why he doesn't value it. He doesn't value the unpredictability of a player like Dele as he sees the bad side of that rather than the good, he'd rather know what a player is likely to do than have no idea, even if it may work.
Leipzig he hadn't yet got anywhere near as far in his coaching as he has now (see the two Man City games for instance, both 2-0 wins but the first one was pure luck, the second one was calculated and composed).
Liverpool, we got about as close as you can get - the width of a post and we should be defending a corner much better.
Leicester was poor - this type of game is where we seem to have most of our problems and is something Jose needs to work on (however see the previous Leicester game where we won 3-0. So perhaps we put it down to a bad day at the office?)
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I get your point but I just don’t agree with it. His flicks are a lot more effective than ‘one time in twenty’. It’s an effective part of his game to create an opportunity for us (high risk and high rewarded) - and considering our team looks like it is bereft of any creativity at the moment that isn’t ‘a counter from deep’ the chaos he provides is worth it - and our team should really be able to deal with a misplaced pass from one of our furthest forward players (which Kane and Moura etc don’t get chastised for despite doing it throughout the game).
The issue with the ‘2-0 controlled performance’ point is it doesn’t happen all the time. You can’t rewrite history to justify a point especially considering that with a fully fit squad Jose hasn’t been able to recreate that game state. I don’t really mind Jose not starting Dele as he doesn’t fit his starting XI philosophy - but in a team with multiple wasteful players in possession (Sissoko/Moura etc) I find it uncomfortable to publicly shiiiit on a player who was one of our best performers and wasn’t even in the top 5 most at fault for the goal. Maybe it’s just me and I don’t like incidents that are morally repugnant.
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Bale is back! .The story continues... (U12707)
posted 7 minutes ago
There is a time and place for tricks and flicks.
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Even between players, everyone accepts there is time and place for them, and doing them and causing the team to lose the ball in our area is a crime tbh
You can do it when we are 2-0 and in the opponents half.
Doing flicks and tricks in your own half, unless you are as skilled as Messi, then that's a naivety written all over it.
Lose the ball, and you can bet it's put the defense on back foot and has handed an opportunity to the opponents
posted on 24/12/20
Dele looked a much improved yesterday and is still working progress on removing silly and immature play from his game, specially around his own box.
But it was obvious his work rate has increased and this with his ability to get at the end of moves is huge for us.
Hopefully he's cutting out some of the mistakes.
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 31 minutes ago
Dele’s flicks won us the tie in Amsterdam. If they don’t come off it’s frustrating but otherwise it’s a really effective way of creating a decent opportunity.
If an attacking player tries to pull something off and they don’t deliver - the ball should be far away enough from your own goal that the defence should cope. If they can’t then it’s a fault with the defence
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Football isn’t that simple though. Just cos Dele is an attacking player it doesn’t mean he’ll never give the ball away in our own half.
It’s not right to say the defence should be able to deal with it if he gives it away, even the best teams in the world can be punished from giving the ball away cheaply
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
Mourinho has made a successful career out of challenging players to be better. This whole 'despicable Jose' narrative is good fun, granted, but more often than not he's right. He was right about Pogba and Ndombele. He was right about Luke Shaw and Aurier. We're not accustomed to managers calling out players because they're so pampered and pandered to these days it seems outrageous. But, in my opinion at least, he's got a point here. And it's the same point us fans have been making for years.
Dele's flicks and tricks are great when they come off and create a goal. That's ok but do them in the box, not in midfield. He wasn't going to achieve anything even if it came off yesterday. It was a poor decision and poorly executed. Does that deserve public criticism? Probably not. Has he told Dele to cut it out? Almost certainly. Would any player keep their place in any team if they consistently went against what they'd been told? No.
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How was he right about Shaw or Ndombele?
Was he right for what he did with KDB or Lukaku or Casillas?
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This. He got lucky that Ndombele knuckled down and improved - it didn't work with Pogba, Shaw etc.
However right he may be about Alli being wasteful in possession - and I agree with him - there's a way to deal with it that is more likely to get a positive reaction out of the player.
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
Mourinho has made a successful career out of challenging players to be better. This whole 'despicable Jose' narrative is good fun, granted, but more often than not he's right. He was right about Pogba and Ndombele. He was right about Luke Shaw and Aurier. We're not accustomed to managers calling out players because they're so pampered and pandered to these days it seems outrageous. But, in my opinion at least, he's got a point here. And it's the same point us fans have been making for years.
Dele's flicks and tricks are great when they come off and create a goal. That's ok but do them in the box, not in midfield. He wasn't going to achieve anything even if it came off yesterday. It was a poor decision and poorly executed. Does that deserve public criticism? Probably not. Has he told Dele to cut it out? Almost certainly. Would any player keep their place in any team if they consistently went against what they'd been told? No.
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Who are these players that Jose has humiliated publically that have then ressurectes their playing careers.?
Del Ali is a kant of the highest order, but putti g my prejudice aside, a manager should not treat a player I. That way and I can't see a way back for Ali at Spurs now.
Ps Jose publically criticised KDB when he was at Chelsea and look how that worked out for the club.
posted on 24/12/20
if Jose came out and slagged off his trim and facial hair i would have absolutely no problem with that.
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Phenom - least knowledgeable spurs poster 2019/20 (U20037)
posted 8 seconds ago
if Jose came out and slagged off his trim and facial hair i would have absolutely no problem with that.
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posted on 24/12/20
comment by Phenom - least knowledgeable spurs poster 2019/20 (U20037)
posted 59 seconds ago
if Jose came out and slagged off his trim and facial hair i would have absolutely no problem with that.
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He's probably has, for flicking hair
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Edinfulham (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
Mourinho has made a successful career out of challenging players to be better. This whole 'despicable Jose' narrative is good fun, granted, but more often than not he's right. He was right about Pogba and Ndombele. He was right about Luke Shaw and Aurier. We're not accustomed to managers calling out players because they're so pampered and pandered to these days it seems outrageous. But, in my opinion at least, he's got a point here. And it's the same point us fans have been making for years.
Dele's flicks and tricks are great when they come off and create a goal. That's ok but do them in the box, not in midfield. He wasn't going to achieve anything even if it came off yesterday. It was a poor decision and poorly executed. Does that deserve public criticism? Probably not. Has he told Dele to cut it out? Almost certainly. Would any player keep their place in any team if they consistently went against what they'd been told? No.
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How was he right about Shaw or Ndombele?
Was he right for what he did with KDB or Lukaku or Casillas?
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This. He got lucky that Ndombele knuckled down and improved - it didn't work with Pogba, Shaw etc.
However right he may be about Alli being wasteful in possession - and I agree with him - there's a way to deal with it that is more likely to get a positive reaction out of the player.
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I'm not sure about that last part. Jose has been here a year now and clearly had this problem with Dele from pretty much the beginning, I seriously doubt that he hasn't tried all he can behind closed doors to stop him doing this sort of thing, and he's hardly a regular starter at the moment, so Jose sees this as a last role of the dice with everything to gain and not much to lose. If it doesn't work, Dele goes as looked on the card before last night. If this finally does get his message across, and Dele becomes what the Manager wants him to, there is everything to gain.
posted on 24/12/20
When Cristiano Ronaldo first came to United as a teenager, he did loads and loads of unnecessary tricks and flicks. Ronaldo didn’t like it but Ferguson eventually got him to stop doing it and look what he became.
posted on 24/12/20
Del Ali is a kant of the highest order, but putti g my prejudice aside, a manager should not treat a player I. That way and I can't see a way back for Ali at Spurs now.
Ps Jose publically criticised KDB when he was at Chelsea and look how that worked out for the club.
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This does have echoes of Alli potentially becoming their De Bryune doesn't it
I don't think Levy would green light selling Alli even if Jose wanted him too, but you never know.
posted on 24/12/20
A few posters in the match thread were getting over excited by Dele's display yday at HT when Winks was oir best player.
As for Jose calling him out. Big deal, it's a man's game so get on with it Dele. Glad Lamela is back. He got stuck in!
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 3 minutes ago
When Cristiano Ronaldo first came to United as a teenager, he did loads and loads of unnecessary tricks and flicks. Ronaldo didn’t like it but Ferguson eventually got him to stop doing it and look what he became.
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Ronaldo used to do his tricks and flicks in opposition half, and not in his own half?
Jose isn't talking about losing the ball in opposition half, look at Moura and Son how many times they lost the ball in the opposition half, and even Kane did so.
Only one player tried flicks and lost the ball: Dele
posted on 24/12/20
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 3 minutes ago
When Cristiano Ronaldo first came to United as a teenager, he did loads and loads of unnecessary tricks and flicks. Ronaldo didn’t like it but Ferguson eventually got him to stop doing it and look what he became.
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Ronaldo used to do his tricks and flicks in opposition half, and not in his own half?
Jose isn't talking about losing the ball in opposition half, look at Moura and Son how many times they lost the ball in the opposition half, and even Kane did so.
Only one player tried flicks and lost the ball: Dele
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Mean to say tried flicks in how own half
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 1 minute ago
Del Ali is a kant of the highest order, but putti g my prejudice aside, a manager should not treat a player I. That way and I can't see a way back for Ali at Spurs now.
Ps Jose publically criticised KDB when he was at Chelsea and look how that worked out for the club.
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This does have echoes of Alli potentially becoming their De Bryune doesn't it
I don't think Levy would green light selling Alli even if Jose wanted him too, but you never know.
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Depends if we can buy a better player or fund a gap in the team like CB or DM.
posted on 24/12/20
A few posters in the match thread were getting over excited by Dele's display yday at HT when Winks was oir best player.
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Our best player was Bale
Dele played really well and looked leaner and provided threat and he was at the end of couple of good chances and linked up with Kane.
He got the praise he deserved
posted on 24/12/20
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 41 seconds ago
A few posters in the match thread were getting over excited by Dele's display yday at HT when Winks was oir best player.
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Our best player was Bale
Dele played really well and looked leaner and provided threat and he was at the end of couple of good chances and linked up with Kane.
He got the praise he deserved
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Apart from scoring the goal Bale gave the ball away upteen times. You're crazy mate.
posted on 24/12/20
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 32 minutes ago
I reckon José has a point. It's not like it's news that Dele is doing fancy flicks and giving the ball away. I bet there's a few in the dressing room that are sick of having to win the ball back because of him, too.
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Can’t it be looked at as trying different things (that others can’t do) that sometimes pay off and sometimes don’t?
Why must everybody become a plodding workhorse under Jose???
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Bringing it out in public and attacking the player publicly is despicable and typical Jose. Addressing issues like that is why you have a manager. Jose doesn't need to tell us what work is needed because its his job to do that work. We don't need to be hearing this IMO. Handle it indoors.
I'm sure Alli isn't the only player he has ever had an issue with. Why make the Alli issue a public one? Why not the next guy? It's how Jose operates. Other managers have similar issues too I'm sure, it doesn't happen to Jose alone, but rarely if ever do you see a manager making such an issue a public affair.
Poor Alli needs to find a new club. Somebody always gets hurt when Jose is around and too bad this time it had to be him.
How convenient he's now said this just when Spurs have lost some pace in the league. Good distraction. Tell Jose to stop crying and manage the team.
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posted on 24/12/20
comment by 1maneontherun (U4291)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Son of the Soil (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Bãles left boot (U22081)
posted 32 minutes ago
I reckon José has a point. It's not like it's news that Dele is doing fancy flicks and giving the ball away. I bet there's a few in the dressing room that are sick of having to win the ball back because of him, too.
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Can’t it be looked at as trying different things (that others can’t do) that sometimes pay off and sometimes don’t?
Why must everybody become a plodding workhorse under Jose???
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Bringing it out in public and attacking the player publicly is despicable and typical Jose. Addressing issues like that is why you have a manager. Jose doesn't need to tell us what work is needed because its his job to do that work. We don't need to be hearing this IMO. Handle it indoors.
I'm sure Alli isn't the only player he has ever had an issue with. Why make the Alli issue a public one? Why not the next guy? It's how Jose operates. Other managers have similar issues too I'm sure, it doesn't happen to Jose alone, but rarely if ever do you see a manager making such an issue a public affair.
Poor Alli needs to find a new club. Somebody always gets hurt when Jose is around and too bad this time it had to be him.
How convenient he's now said this just when Spurs have lost some pace in the league. Good distraction. Tell Jose to stop crying and manage the team.
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posted on 24/12/20
But Ali has got an attitude problem!
He's similar but not as toxic as Pogba is/was.
posted on 24/12/20
Maybe Poch will take Alli to PSG? He can expand his fashion brand in Paris. Everyone is a winner.
posted on 24/12/20
This is why the media love Jose.
Look at these United and Chelsea fans, who can't get over him.
Look at the Spurs fans, some of us are confused as fk and don't know what to make of it all. Others growing impatient
Some of us have jumped on the Jose train and want to see where it takes...
Overall, you hate him or love him, Jose is a conversation piece
posted on 24/12/20
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
This is why the media love Jose.
Look at these United and Chelsea fans, who can't get over him.
Look at the Spurs fans, some of us are confused as fk and don't know what to make of it all. Others growing impatient
Some of us have jumped on the Jose train and want to see where it takes...
Overall, you hate him or love him, Jose is a conversation piece
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Add Liverpool fans, who can't get over him stopping them winning the league -- Slippy G style
posted on 24/12/20
comment by LukaBrasi LOL (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
Maybe Poch will take Alli to PSG? He can expand his fashion brand in Paris. Everyone is a winner.
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I think that would be a good move! maybe £30 million?
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